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post Apr 26 2009, 02:15 AM, updated 15y ago

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Guys, let's not start about dupe account / new member. I'm in need of serious, experienced advice here.

Both me and my girlfriend are still virgin. We have been together for 9 years so there is no question about our loyalty towards each another. The closest we ever got to the real deal is oral.

Just a few days ago, she discovered swellings at her private part down there. A few days later, it got worse & became a few spots of ulcer. She started to feel pain while passing urine & I brought her to a local gynecologist for checkup.

This was when the doctor revealed that she was infected with herpes. Imagine her shock for getting a STD without doing anything wrong. I was without a doubt shocked as well, but putting myself in her shoe, it's definitely nothing compared to what she's feeling.

We did a memory rewind of what occurred a week ago but could not come up with anything other than passing urine in a dirty toilet by a local beach. I was thinking that it could be that her urine splattered from the floor back to her skin on her private part but it sounded pretty silly.

I searched the Internet & found that there are 2 strains of herpes, HSV1 (cold sore & usually at mouth) & HSV2 (genital herpes). HSV1 can be easily picked up if you somehow shared the same eating utensils of a carrier so it was pretty common. The gynecologist just took a look & pronounced as having HSV2 but I was thinking that it could be HSV1 if it came from me.

Long story short, have any of you experienced this kind of scenario? She was crying herself to sleep & couldn't accept the fact that she got a STD out of nothing.
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post Apr 26 2009, 02:40 AM

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I have never kissed anyone else other than my own girlfriend. So to say that I have STD in the first place is also something that is hard to accept in my position. However, HSV1 is very much common & I was thinking that I might have been infected through some dirty eating utensils outside.


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im not really sure but some people say u can get herpes just by sitting on dirty toilet seat..
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 02:15 AM)
Guys, let's not start about dupe account / new member. I'm in need of serious, experienced advice here.

Both me and my girlfriend are still virgin. We have been together for 9 years so there is no question about our loyalty towards each another. The closest we ever got to the real deal is oral.

...I brought her to a local gynecologist for checkup.

...This was when the doctor revealed that she was infected with herpes.

...The gynecologist just took a look & pronounced as having HSV2 but I was thinking that it could be HSV1 if it came from me.
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During the gynecological check-up, were you present? did you ask the gynecologist if your gf is still a virgin? Don't get offended but...

I quote from our favorite medical series:

"Everybody lies." - House MD
"I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do." - House MD
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what." - House MD

Herpes simplex virus (HSV) indeed comes from two strains. If the gynecologist diagnosed it as HSV-2 (an STD virus), then you could ask for a laboratory confirmation (if it was not done by the gynecologist before).


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post Apr 26 2009, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(200 @ Apr 26 2009, 02:43 AM)
im not really sure but some people say u can get herpes just by sitting on dirty toilet seat..
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The doctor did say so but the chance is very slim. What you said was what triggered the idea that the dirty toilet floor by the beach could have splattered her urine back to her skin but I think the probability of that occurring is almost nil.

I am the type that will easily get mouth ulcer but I have always been under the impression that it was nothing more than a normal ulcer due to the bad weather. I have decided to get myself checked for both HSV1 & HSV2 antibody, just to be sure.

Before that, I think it's a good idea to ask LYN for similar experience or something near.


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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 26 2009, 02:45 AM)
During the gynecological check-up, were you present? did you ask the gynecologist if your gf is still a virgin? Don't get offended but...

I quote from our favorite medical series:

"Everybody lies." - House MD
"I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do." - House MD
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."  - House MD

Herpes simplex virus (HSV) indeed comes from two strains. If the gynecologist diagnosed it as HSV-2 (an STD virus), then you could ask for a laboratory confirmation (if it was not done by the gynecologist before).
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Thanks. My girlfriend & I do watch House MD so we understand what you meant.

I have 0 doubt about my girlfriend cheating on me. During the examination, I was asked to wait outside & the gynecologist asked my girlfriend to inform me of the bad news. I believe that she thought we're just another couple who played around but never admitted to doing so. There was no sampling done on the mucous as we're both too shocked to think of anything much.

My priority right now is to get her comfortable as she needs to work on Monday but her current condition is pretty bad as she's experiencing extreme pain that is killing her mood & sleeping order. sad.gif


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:54 amI think I need to get myself a Milo & sleep. My appetite is gone & I have yet to have dinner. I'll be catching back to this thread tomorrow morning. Until then, I'm pleading for more serious feedback.

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probably u. u can get hsv1 from oral. in fact herpes type 1 is getting more prevalent in the genital area ( as hespes type 2 in oral area). u can get the herpes from anyone, from the day you were born, to any of the auntie/uncle that kiss u masa kecik. maybe u have a dirty girlfriend b4. blaming on toilet is the best way to feel innocent though


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:57 amif u re the kind a person who always get mouth ulcers during stress etc, then u are the cause.

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post Apr 26 2009, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(encikcam @ Apr 26 2009, 02:55 AM)
probably u. u can get hsv1 from oral. in fact herpes type 1 is getting more prevalent in the genital area ( as hespes type 2 in oral area). u can get the herpes from anyone, from the day you were born, to any of the auntie/uncle that kiss u masa kecik. maybe u have a dirty girlfriend b4. blaming on toilet is the best way to feel innocent though


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:57 amif u re the kind a person who always get mouth ulcers during stress etc, then u are the cause.
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She is my first girlfriend. Can I ask if what I assumed above (about getting HSV1 from sharing eating utensils with other people) is possible? Based on your deduction, I think the best way is to get myself checked for HSV1 & HSV2 antibodies then.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:17 AM

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utensils? i don't know. i'm not sure about the nature of these virus, coz i hate microbiology. u can wiki it. but herpes, especially type 1 is super common. if u check it, about 100% u may have it d (since your g/f have it.) pathlab sure;y like to charge people handsomely anyway. if i want to test myself. i may have it too. my bros and sis always get cold sore. probably it run in my family. its just some people gets the infection more serious than the others,.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 26 2009, 02:45 AM)
During the gynecological check-up, were you present? did you ask the gynecologist if your gf is still a virgin? Don't get offended but...

This sound reasonable... coz my EX is also a good girl in front of her bf... but behind of her bf , she went out and .....

STD is SEXUAL Transmitted Disease...... You will only infected when you have sex... it only transmitted wen have sex

This is why we called it STD...

Hope my understanding is wrong....


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oh ye. how did the dr know its herpes? they did the test d? or is it just by looking at it? if the dr just look at it get a second opinion ler. if the serology goes to type 1 then probably its nothing. u can assume its not std. unless ur partner lying one
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:28 AM

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QUOTE(jovi69 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:18 AM)
This sound reasonable...  coz my EX is also a good girl in front of her bf... but behind of her bf , she went out and .....

STD is SEXUAL Transmitted Disease......  You will only infected when you have sex... it only transmitted wen have sex

This is why we called it STD...

Hope my understanding is wrong....
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HSV1 is very common. If you shared the same water bottle with a friend that has HSV2 infection in his mouth & passed it to you, will you still think the same? doh.gif

Again I need to reiterate, MY GIRLFRIEND BEING UNFAITHFUL IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE PICTURE.

I am not exaggerating but guys, I know her must more than I know myself so please do understand my predicament.

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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 03:28 AM)
HSV1 is very common. If you shared the same water bottle with a friend that has HSV2 infection in his mouth & passed it to you, will you still think the same? doh.gif
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Ever saw House MD? Everybody lies. It happens. Not saying your girl's a skank, don't take it the wrong way but not everyone's honest with their past.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:36 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:30 AM)
Ever saw House MD? Everybody lies. It happens. Not saying your girl's a skank, don't take it the wrong way but not everyone's honest with their past.
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darklight79, thanks for dropping by. I've always respected you for the useful advices you passed on in Health & Fitness section of LYN... but let us remove the scenario of my girlfriend being unfaithful shall we?

I see it bringing us no where if everyone that comes in said the same thing about some 2 lines from House MD. I am really looking for some answer or anyone with similar scenario as mine.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 03:28 AM)
HSV1 is very common. If you shared the same water bottle with a friend that has HSV2 infection in his mouth & passed it to you, will you still think the same? doh.gif

Again I need to reiterate, MY GIRLFRIEND BEING UNFAITHFUL IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE PICTURE.

I am not exaggerating but guys, I know her must more than I know myself so please do understand my predicament.
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Very well,

Did you have any kind ulcers in your mouth before? I have a hypothesis:

-You were accidentally infected by a strain of HSV (undetermined yet) via saliva or secretions left by somebody else (eg; via sharing of towels, cups, bottles, etc).

-You became ill with infectious ulcers in your mouth (fingers can also be infected). Perhaps you figured, its nothing to worry about.

-You performed oral sex on your partner causing her to become infected (in this case you did mentioned that the ulcers are present in her genital area).

-After a period of incubation, the symptoms and signs appeared causing her to seek medical treatment.

Do you think the above might have happened? In any case, the doctor that is treating her should have complete history of the disease from both of you.

Herpes on the finger: http://www.visualdxhealth.com/adult/herpeticWhitlow.htm

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abit off topic.. if a individual has herpes n d partner dont, does that mean both have to get herpes when they want a baby? because like aids, thats the only way. and sex is d only way to make babies unless u guys talk about other methods.
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 25 2009, 09:13 PM)
abit off topic.. if a individual has herpes n d partner dont, does that mean both have to get herpes when they want a baby? because like aids, thats the only way. and sex is d only way to make babies unless u guys talk about other methods.
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herpes is for life. any of them, be it simplex, zoster, cmv, ebv n others. but its relatively benign unless you get aids. hehe


Added on April 26, 2009, 4:22 amanyway i must say house exaggerates everything. diseases doesn't have to be that dramatic. don't worry too much bout the herpes.

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post Apr 26 2009, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 26 2009, 03:41 AM)
Very well,

Did you have any kind ulcers in your mouth before? I have a hypothesis:

-You were accidentally infected by a strain of HSV (undetermined yet) via saliva or secretions left by somebody else (eg; via sharing of towels, cups, bottles, etc).

-You became ill with infectious ulcers in your mouth (fingers can also be infected). Perhaps you figured, its nothing to worry about.

-You performed oral sex on your partner causing her to become infected (in this case you did mentioned that the ulcers are present in her genital area).

-After a period of incubation, the symptoms and signs appeared causing her to seek medical treatment.

Do you think the above might have happened? In any case, the doctor that is treating her should have complete history of the disease from both of you.

Herpes on the finger: http://www.visualdxhealth.com/adult/herpeticWhitlow.htm
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Yes, your description fits the scenario perfectly. We never knew that there is a risk at all since both of us are not players & virgins.
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neverendingsigh : I'm so sorry to hear about the situation with your girlfriend. I see that you are standing very steadfast with your girlfriend. Kudos to you.

It sounds like your GF is finding it hard to come to grips with the situation but if she can't, it will be very hard for her and you to move forward. It may take a long time to come to terms with it so having love and care around her will help her out. It may help too if she can get some emotional support from some of her close friends as well, as it's very hard to deal with. If it's too difficult for her to tell her friends, she can try seeking help and comfort in herpes support forums online and remain anonymously. An example is here : http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/messageforum/ . I just got that off Google and it seem like they have covered quite a lot of questions there including pregnancy etc.

It may also be a good idea not to look for reason of WHY it happened as it will make her uncomfortable and make you stress as well. Both of you can't change past history but you can get ready for the present and future, by finding out how to control the pain and irritation and being strong mentally for it. Try very hard not to talk about it with her on how it happened or why it has happened : both of you will get more distress or worst, lose trust in one another. Having Genital Herpes can cause a lot of strain in a relationship and is a strong test of trust between couples.

Also, don't put too much faith in this H&F forum. There are many people who don't understand the emotional distress from having a serious disease and illness that they may make a lot of insensitive comments and just fuel anger.

You might also want to go for a check-up yourself, if you haven't already done so.

There are alternative and natural remedies that people are now using to control the pain and formation of the lesions. Goto the link that I posted up to see some suggestions. Each person will respond differently to different treatments.

I hope that the both of you can get through this phase together.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 26 2009, 10:11 AM)
neverendingsigh : I'm so sorry to hear about the situation with your girlfriend. I see that you are standing very steadfast with your girlfriend. Kudos to you.

It sounds like your GF is finding it hard to come to grips with the situation but if she can't, it will be very hard for her and you to move forward. It may take a long time to come to terms with it so having love and care around her will help her out. It may help too if she can get some emotional support from some of her close friends as well, as it's very hard to deal with. If it's too difficult for her to tell her friends, she can try seeking help and comfort in herpes support forums online and remain anonymously. An example is here : http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/messageforum/ . I just got that off Google and it seem like they have covered quite a lot of questions there including pregnancy etc.

It may also be a good idea not to look for reason of WHY it happened as it will make her uncomfortable and make you stress as well. Both of you can't change past history but you can get ready for the present and future, by finding out how to control the pain and irritation and being strong mentally for it. Try very hard not to talk about it with her on how it happened or why it has happened : both of you will get more distress or worst, lose trust in one another. Having Genital Herpes can cause a lot of strain in a relationship and is a strong test of trust between couples.

Also, don't put too much faith in this H&F forum. There are many people who don't understand the emotional distress from having a serious disease and illness that they may make a lot of insensitive comments and just fuel anger.

You might also want to go for a check-up yourself, if you haven't already done so.

There are alternative and natural remedies that people are now using to control the pain and formation of the lesions. Goto the link that I posted up to see some suggestions. Each person will respond differently to different treatments.

I hope that the both of you can get through this phase together.
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Thanks for the lengthy advice. I guess it was a nature of human to find out the cause when something unexpectedly happened out of the blue. I have yet to have any symptom down there except some normal ulcers on my inner mouth lips.

Both of us prefer to keep it between ourselves but she do warn her sister not to share pants (the one they wore at home) with her in the future. As her family was the type that is quite old-fashioned, I guess there's no point in telling them A-Z about what happened. Nevertheless, thank you very much for the effort you poured into writing the post. I've been in LYN for years so taking jabs & hits for a sensitive question is all a norm for me now.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 10:32 AM)
Thanks for the lengthy advice. I guess it was a nature of human to find out the cause when something unexpectedly happened out of the blue. I have yet to have any symptom down there except some normal ulcers on my inner mouth lips.

Both of us prefer to keep it between ourselves but she do warn her sister not to share pants (the one they wore at home) with her in the future. As her family was the type that is quite old-fashioned, I guess there's no point in telling them A-Z about what happened. Nevertheless, thank you very much for the effort you poured into writing the post. I've been in LYN for years so taking jabs & hits for a sensitive question is all a norm for me now.
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Best thing to do now is to do a checkup on the ulcers in your mouth. Ask the GP about HSV1 and request to be checked for that. As mentioned by another forumner, herpes can't be removed permanently. Your gf will go through a very rough emotional rollercoaster now. Be strong for her sake.

Below are some info :
Getting herpes from oral sex
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and here's some info on how to cope with herpes :

For many people, receiving a diagnosis of HSV can be devastating, as it is a life-long ailment with no cure. While it does mean that you will have to be extra cautious, especially when involved in intimate relationships, HSV does not have to rule your life. There are many ways to make the symptoms more comfortable and reduce outbreaks to an absolute minimum.

- Use an ice pack to help alleviate pain and swelling, and take a hot bath (with a pinch of baking soda) to help reduce itching.
- Keep the affected area dry and clean.
- Avoid sexual intimacy until blisters have completely healed, and when the virus is dormant, always use a condom to reduce the chance of your partner contracting the virus.
- Apply tea tree oil directly onto the sores several times a day.
- Avoid touching, rubbing or scratching the sores and wash your hands immediately after contact with them to prevent the infection spreading to other areas or other people.
- Boost the immune system with daily exercise, sufficient sleep and a healthy balanced diet.
- Reduce stress levels and take care of your emotional well-being. Consider counseling or stress management if you struggle to do this alone.
- Increase vitamin C intake during outbreaks.
- Consider taking supplements of the amino acid L-lysine, zinc, and garlic.
- Make note of the 'trigger' foods that sometimes lead to outbreaks. Avoid spicy and acidic foods as well as foods high in salt when you have an outbreak.
sourced from Native Remedies

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is herpes curable? coz im new to this thing call herpes, and all the wikis gave dumb info... oh ya.. my condolence to TS.... sry, cant help, i dunno anything bout herpes...

Hope'ya cure soon
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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Apr 26 2009, 04:35 PM)
is herpes curable? coz im new to this thing call herpes, and all the wikis gave dumb info... oh ya.. my condolence to TS.... sry, cant help, i dunno anything bout herpes...

Hope'ya cure soon
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Herpes is treatable but not curable. Google is a very good place to search for information. I'm not sure what wikis you've been to but here's something for you. It's short and clear : STD - Herpes
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Thanks for the articles. I was with my girlfriend just now hence the delay in replying. Anyway, she's better now though the area down there is hurting like hell due to the cream that she has to apply 5 times a day.

Don't take me wrong in trying to redirect the blame but I sincerely hope that the Education Ministry will stop focusing on HIV so much in secondary school Biology syllabus. In trying to culture the mindset that it's OK to share towel, eating utensils with HIV carriers, they've indirectly exposed many people (especially young) to other virus that can easily spread through sharing the aforementioned equipments. Again, don't take me wrong, I'm not putting the blame of my problem to others.

Last but not least, I guess it's time that people are being educated that STD does not necessarily spread through sexual contact. If I am a carrier, then I'm the excellent specimen to prove that. vmad.gif
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I seriously doubt that the Education Ministry would do anything about it. They tend not to speak much about taboo subjects although I did remember my PJ teacher speaking about it when we had one of those rare classroom sessions. Mind you, that was more than 10 years ago and I dunno if teachers still speak about it now.


Added on April 26, 2009, 6:55 pmGlad to hear that your GF is feeling better though.

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Importantly since you believe in your girlfriend 100% die die.

then now it is important to cure or treat your GF........no more going around asking why why why coz i believe you won't get the answer.

Please take care of your GF..


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QUOTE(MakNok @ Apr 26 2009, 07:03 PM)
Importantly since you believe in your girlfriend 100% die die.

then now it is important to cure or treat your GF........no more going around asking why why why coz i believe you won't get the answer.

Please take care of your GF..
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To be frank, she's the one that kept asking why, of all people in this world, she was the one that got so unlucky. sad.gif I really do not know how to answer her & all I can do is to apologize to her & motivate her more to get the infection (not the virus since I know it'll be in the body for life long) cured for now.
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Again, herpes is not dangerous. yes the ulcer is painful. your gf need to understand that it's nothing and stop blaming u. maybe it was her all the way. she can get it if she scratch her mouth ulcer and then garu2 down there.

"To be frank, she's the one that kept asking why, of all people in this world, she was the one that got so unlucky"

correct that phrase it should be like this

of all people in this world, she was among the 60-80% (according to geography) that got so unlucky
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QUOTE(encikcam @ Apr 26 2009, 07:34 PM)
Again, herpes is not dangerous. yes the ulcer is painful. your gf need to understand that it's nothing and stop blaming u. maybe it was her all the way. she can get it if she scratch her mouth ulcer and then garu2 down there.

"To be frank, she's the one that kept asking why, of all people in this world, she was the one that got so unlucky"

correct that phrase it should be like this

of all people in this world, she was among the 60-80% (according to geography) that got so unlucky
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Err... if we're to follow your first theory, then her body should have the antibody to fight off the infection down there, isn't that right? hmm.gif Which means that she shouldn't be suffering so much in the first place.

I think you have to keep in mind that we're both virgins and we're each another's first intimate partner.
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hmm
my bad

anyway. here's what i think.
since my obstetric &gynae exam is just around the corner

you might want to get an idea of this herpes guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simple..._and_prevention

herpes is common, the ulcers down there can come from anywhere. say that she touch someone that was infected. if the same hand touch her tra la la down there, she might get it.

or she have it all the long. in her mouth. this time she kiss u and u give her oral job. then u become the transporter for the herpes guy.

or any way that u can think of.

antibodies DOES NOT eliminate the virus. it will lies dormant in the body's nerve cell. once you re under stress, sick for any reason, feeling sad because of pms, the virus can become reactivated, and she get another ulcer. so during an attack, the body will do her job by killing this virus. unfortunately herpes family is the smart one. it always keep a copy of themselves in the dormant state. so everytime u get sad, pms or exam, they'll attack.

treatment?
it is a self limiting disease. u can try acyclovir (antiviral) but i don't think it's cheap and it does not kill ALL of them. so usually a doctor would just give panadol/aspirin to help u with the pain.

antibodies?
don't bother checking it. i must say everyone must have it at some stage.

conclusion?
the gynae dr did a good job at scaring u guys. i really don't think there's anything to worry. having said that, the virus is also a culprit for encephalitis, meningitis, bell's palsy (all sort of infection to the brain and nerves), but usually those who are immunocompromise will get it (that is hiv ppl, people on dialysis, organ transplant, under chemo for any cancer) i'm sure your gf didn't fall to anyof thesecategory

what to do?
support. reassurance. let her grief a while since girls do that. let the emotional period wane and continue with life. advice her about any kind ofstress might reactivate the virus. so perhaps smile is the best treatment. it keeps the adrenaline up
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Thanks for the effort again. You've been a great help is dispensing advice since you're more or less in the related field of study. I totally understand that the virus is a life-long culprit. What I'm trying to say in my previous post is that if she has been the carrier all these while, her body should have the required antibody to fight off the infection (the ulcer / lesion down there) or at least, minimize the damage. From the look of it, hers was pretty bad so I think it was a primary outbreak.
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primary is smaller one. secondary is bigger. like for syphillis, it started with 1 painless ulcer. the next outbreak is hell without penicillin. not sure though if its true for herpes gonzales


Added on April 28, 2009, 2:40 amsaja tambah gonzales. sound more mexican. huhu


Added on April 28, 2009, 2:42 amSTD is STD. but u have to keep in mind, it can infect u via different route. like a baby can get gonorhoea from an infected birth canal.

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the virus will be in your body till you die...but many ppl have herpes i think...TS hows your gf now..
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I had to go back and re-read your original post and all the subsequent replies but the doctor didn't even do a swab and just proclaimed with visual examination that it is HSV-2?!

I'm not a doctor but there is no way that one can make such a distinction between HSV-1 or HSV-2 without a chemical analysis.

There are tons of different warts, ulcers that are not STDs.

Take your girlfriend to Pathlab or your GP (that will send the blood test to lab) and ask to specifically be tested for HSV-1 and HSV-2 immediately. They will test your blood. Do not go back to the same doctor. Get a second opinion.

Would appreciate if you keep us updated on this situation. Good luck.
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Herpes is treatable but not curable. Google is a very good place to search for information. I'm not sure what wikis you've been to but here's something for you. It's short and clear : STD - Herpes
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wat u mean, treatable not curable? treating and curing gives the same defination ryte?

EDIT: sry, i found the differences, herpes symptoms can be treated but the disease is not cured completely

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wat u mean, treatable not curable? treating and curing gives the same defination ryte?

EDIT: sry, i found the differences, herpes symptoms can be treated but the disease is not cured completely
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It's diff actually, it's like melanoma, it's treatable but not curable. When you treat~You didn't kill the virus, the virus will remain in ur body for the rest of ur life, but if you cure~ then you kill all the virus. Correct me if I'm wrong xD
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Apr 28 2009, 04:49 PM)
It's diff actually, it's like melanoma, it's treatable but not curable. When you treat~You didn't kill the virus, the virus will remain in ur body for the rest of ur life, but if you cure~ then you kill all the virus. Correct me if I'm wrong xD
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melanoma is a type of cancer. not a virus
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melanoma is a type of cancer. not a virus
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I'm just clarifying the diff btw treat and cure sweat.gif Should use Hep B instead unsure.gif

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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Apr 28 2009, 09:12 PM)
wat u mean, treatable not curable? treating and curing gives the same defination ryte?

EDIT: sry, i found the differences, herpes symptoms can be treated but the disease is not cured completely
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Although you've found the differences in treatable vs curable, here's a simple example of what it means. Treatable means that the symptoms caused can be controled. Not curable means it cannot be permanently removed/eliminated. smile.gif
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sorry....a question out of topic... Mr cam...Are you a doctor??? Of yea r u specialised??? i am just curious for your unlimited knowledge. Or are you only a student? a 15 years old student who happened to be too genius and now studying in cambridge or Harvard medical school? @_@
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QUOTE(redninja @ Apr 28 2009, 01:02 PM)
I had to go back and re-read your original post and all the subsequent replies but the doctor didn't even do a swab and just proclaimed with visual examination that it is HSV-2?!

I'm not a doctor but there is no way that one can make such a distinction between HSV-1 or HSV-2 without a chemical analysis.

There are tons of different warts, ulcers that are not STDs.

Take your girlfriend to Pathlab or your GP (that will send the blood test to lab) and ask to specifically be tested for HSV-1 and HSV-2 immediately. They will test your blood. Do not go back to the same doctor. Get a second opinion.

Would appreciate if you keep us updated on this situation. Good luck.
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TS, like what redninja said....you could get a 2nd opinion?


For the rest of the off topic posting.....dont stray off from TS's topic la.....
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QUOTE(liez @ Apr 29 2009, 07:48 AM)
sorry....a question out of topic... Mr cam...Are you a doctor??? Of yea r u specialised??? i am just curious for your unlimited knowledge. Or are you only a student? a 15 years old student who happened to be too genius and now studying in cambridge or Harvard medical school? @_@
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Er..can i know when our hand get herpes , will it become itchy ??
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Er..can i know when our hand get herpes , will it become itchy ??
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Read About Herpetic Whitlow .wikipedia pun boleh.

also google the pix if it look identical. those itchy2 can be from anything

herpes is always painful
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Painful?? Oh yeah..thank god..!! If i have herpes..i will cry..!! Anyway thank you so much..!! rclxms.gif
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I had to go back and re-read your original post and all the subsequent replies but the doctor didn't even do a swab and just proclaimed with visual examination that it is HSV-2?!

I'm not a doctor but there is no way that one can make such a distinction between HSV-1 or HSV-2 without a chemical analysis.

There are tons of different warts, ulcers that are not STDs.

Take your girlfriend to Pathlab or your GP (that will send the blood test to lab) and ask to specifically be tested for HSV-1 and HSV-2 immediately. They will test your blood. Do not go back to the same doctor. Get a second opinion.

Would appreciate if you keep us updated on this situation. Good luck.
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Sorry for the lack of update. The symptom is getting better now. I did call to the gynecologist on Monday as my girlfriend complained that some of the ulcers bled when she cleaned it with a liquid prescribed by the doctor. The doctor emphasized on the fact that my girlfriend was late in consulting her hence the infection got worse.

I initially did protest to the gynecologist that it is impossible for my girlfriend to have herpes since we're both clean. I also admitted that we only did oral & I guess it was all pointless as in her mind, we might be just another 2 young couple sleeping around. sad.gif

Anyway, I'll be dragging my girlfriend to the clinic again for follow up check even though she prefer not to. She was hurt by the 3 letter word STD. I've decided to ask for the gynecologist to try blood test on both of us, not to find out the source / why but at least to know what kind of antibody we have in our body (HSV1 / HSV2).

Looking for another gynecologist is almost out of the picture as my girlfriend is not the kind that find it easy to let a stranger see nor touch her part there. I think the gynecologist that we went to is pretty OK, just that her mindset might be a little bias. I'll see what is the update this weekend & let you guys know.

Thank you very much for the concern & if possible, do spread the information to those close to you on the possibility of herpes infection thru non-sexual activity. notworthy.gif

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hope u two will get along until marriage. good luck.
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Painful?? Oh yeah..thank god..!! If i have herpes..i will cry..!! Anyway thank you so much..!!  rclxms.gif
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Yes, it's very painful. Every time my girlfriend washed the part there with the liquid prescribed / applied the cream / pass urine, it'll hurt so much that she'll cry. cry.gif Although I'm not the one infected, it pains me to see her in this condition.

Well, I think there will be a time when I'm the one that will get infected down there so I'm pretty prepared. smile.gif Wish me luck. rclxms.gif


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hope u two will get along until marriage. good luck.
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Thank you encikcam. I can't stress enough on the tremendous help you've provided. I also noticed that you've been changing your avatar & signature a lot. smile.gif All the best in your studies!

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Sorry for the lack of update. The symptom is getting better now. I did call to the gynecologist on Monday as my girlfriend complained that some of the ulcers bled when she cleaned it with a liquid prescribed by the doctor. The doctor emphasized on the fact that my girlfriend was late in consulting her hence the infection got worse.

I initially did protest to the gynecologist that it is impossible for my girlfriend to have herpes since we're both clean. I also admitted that we only did oral & I guess it was all pointless as in her mind, we might be just another 2 young couple sleeping around. sad.gif

Anyway, I'll be dragging my girlfriend to the clinic again for follow up check even though she prefer not to. She was hurt by the 3 letter word STD. I've decided to ask for the gynecologist to try blood test on both of us, not to find out the source / why but at least to know what kind of antibody we have in our body (HSV1 / HSV2).

Looking for another gynecologist is almost out of the picture as my girlfriend is not the kind that find it easy to let a stranger see nor touch her part there. I think the gynecologist that we went to is pretty OK, just that her mindset might be a little bias. I'll see what is the update this weekend & let you guys know.

Thank you very much for the concern & if possible, do spread the information to those close to you on the possibility of herpes infection thru non-sexual activity. notworthy.gif
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TS, a doctor should NEVER be bias against his/her patients. Regardless of how, why, who, they should never treat their patients differently. If the gynae can diagnose a STD based on visual observation only and concludes that 'ah, this two has been sleeping around', I really don't think that's professional of her to do that. Unfortunately, if your gf is adamant to not letting a stranger touch and see her... it'll hard to get a second opinion from another doctor. You ask your gf if she'd rather risk being diagnosed wrongly or be shy.

Good luck and speedy recovery wish to your gf. Do update us ya.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 30 2009, 12:22 AM)
Sorry for the lack of update. The symptom is getting better now. I did call to the gynecologist on Monday as my girlfriend complained that some of the ulcers bled when she cleaned it with a liquid prescribed by the doctor. The doctor emphasized on the fact that my girlfriend was late in consulting her hence the infection got worse.

I initially did protest to the gynecologist that it is impossible for my girlfriend to have herpes since we're both clean. I also admitted that we only did oral & I guess it was all pointless as in her mind, we might be just another 2 young couple sleeping around. sad.gif

Anyway, I'll be dragging my girlfriend to the clinic again for follow up check even though she prefer not to. She was hurt by the 3 letter word STD. I've decided to ask for the gynecologist to try blood test on both of us, not to find out the source / why but at least to know what kind of antibody we have in our body (HSV1 / HSV2).

Looking for another gynecologist is almost out of the picture as my girlfriend is not the kind that find it easy to let a stranger see nor touch her part there. I think the gynecologist that we went to is pretty OK, just that her mindset might be a little bias. I'll see what is the update this weekend & let you guys know.

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I'm sorry but this doctor is showing absolutely bad judgment. I do not recommend that you go back and see her again. Even if your gf shy, please go find another woman gynecologist or even just a regular GP (or Pathlab etc) and ask to get your blood checked for STDs. It's just a blood test! Spend like $100-200 and get your mind at ease without dealing with such prejudice from your doctor who should be treating you based on the facts (or data, which she doesn't even have?!)

What kind of ulcers are they? Do they grow in clusters, then pop and scab over?

It is important that you determine whether it is herpes or not. As the previous posters have suggested, herpes is with you for a lifetime and in the future when she has an outbreak you will have to take precautions i.e. not have sex during outbreak. Although there are cases where the virus can be passed along even when it's not during an outbreak so that's why there is a stigma of sorts attached to it.

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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 30 2009, 07:28 AM)
TS, a doctor should NEVER be bias against his/her patients. Regardless of how, why, who, they should never treat their patients differently. If the gynae can diagnose a STD based on visual observation only and concludes that 'ah, this two has been sleeping around', I really don't think that's professional of her to do that. Unfortunately, if your gf is adamant to not letting a stranger touch and see her... it'll hard to get a second opinion from another doctor. You ask your gf if she'd rather risk being diagnosed wrongly or be shy.

Good luck and speedy recovery wish to your gf. Do update us ya.
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I'm not saying that she showed clear sign of being bias but it's just my personal opinion based on the things she said. That's the main reason why I'm willing to visit her another time, to get a clearer answer as our first visit did not end up being pleasant. I think we were too shocked to think things through & missed some important questions like doing a test on the both of us.
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Nevertheless, all the best. Hopefully everything will turn out well for both of you.


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QUOTE(redninja @ Apr 30 2009, 08:59 AM)
I'm sorry but this doctor is showing absolutely bad judgment. I do not recommend that you go back and see her again. Even if your gf shy, please go find another woman gynecologist or even just a regular GP (or Pathlab etc) and ask to get your blood checked for STDs. It's just a blood test! Spend like $100-200 and get your mind at ease without dealing with such prejudice from your doctor who should be treating you based on the facts (or data, which she doesn't even have?!)

What kind of ulcers are they? Do they grow in clusters, then pop and scab over?

It is important that you determine whether it is herpes or not. As the previous posters have suggested, herpes is with you for a lifetime and in the future when she has an outbreak you will have to take precautions i.e. not have sex during outbreak. Although there are cases where the virus can be passed along even when it's not during an outbreak so that's why there is a stigma of sorts attached to it.
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To be frank, my girlfriend is the type that prefer not to reveal too much of herself especially her medical history. To have herself infected with STD when she is still a virgin, she find it very hard to accept especially since she now has a record in the clinic. It's extremely difficult too as she has to hide this from her family, colleagues & friends even though she was in pain all the time down there.

Moreover, she is in the process of getting herself an insurance policy hence she prefer not to go to those lab where her personal details will be recorded down. Please be rest assured that I'm not the type to let this slip by as I've mentioned in my previous post that we do intend to ask the gynecologist for a test on us.

I've read many articles on herpes since the day she was diagnosed & the description fits the symptom. It started with blisters & became ulcers before spreading from her labia majora to labia minora (correct me if I'm wrong with these majora & minora terms as it was 8 years ago when I learned about them in Form 6 Biology).

I've also read that an ulcer swab test should be done in 72 hours when the outbreak began but it has been 5 days after she got infected that she agreed to follow me to a gynecologist hence I think it's too late to do that test. I guess the only way left would be to check for the HSV1 / HSV2 antibodies in our body through blood test.

We've decided not to kiss if any of us have mouth ulcers & sex is still out of the picture since we've yet to marry. blush.gif But we do agree that in the future if there's an outbreak down there, no sex will be entertained even though I read that I still can be infected even if there's no outbreak (some kind of asymptomatic viral shedding).

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no offend here, but if u both can go to oral, u might have already had some genital contact. try test yourself for it too. it can help you to take and use some precaution. also can tell if u are the carrier.
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QUOTE(AiRseaL @ Apr 30 2009, 01:54 PM)
no offend here, but if u both can go to oral, u might have already had some genital contact. try test yourself for it too. it can help you to take and use some precaution. also can tell if u are the carrier.
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If you're talking about our genital areas brushing / having contact with each another, then no, we never go that far. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, I'll definitely get myself tested.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ May 1 2009, 01:25 AM)
If you're talking about our genital areas brushing / having contact with each another, then no, we never go that far. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, I'll definitely get myself tested.
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I think the person above meant mouth-genital contact, which is also another pathway for virus transmission.

Anyway, I agree with the suggestions to get a blood test to confirm. Once you have the results then it's easier to move forward with the next steps.
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im really sorry for u guys...specialy ur gf......

u really need to support her emotionally..umm..i think u should try looking for another opinion to really confirm everythinggg

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Both of us have just had our blood taken for HSV1 & HSV2 tests. Result will be out next weekend.

At the same time, more dosage of acyclovir pills & cream since my girlfriend has ran out of them. Hoping that she'll recover fully by this weekend.
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Hope it don't affect both of your relationship ya. I am sure your gf will need alot of your support now.
And also if you so trust each other,, continue trusting each other ya.
STD actually is very common, even most people having it but don't realize themself.
For your part, just being faithful to your gf next time.
Herpes can be control yet not fully healed.
Proper medication will helps controlling it ya and can have normal and happy life.

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Hope it don't affect both of your relationship ya. I am sure your gf will need alot of your support now.
And also if you so trust each other,, continue trusting each other ya.
STD actually is very common, even most people having it but don't realize themself.
For your part, just being faithful to your gf next time.
Herpes can be control yet not fully healed.
Proper medication will helps controlling it ya and can have normal and happy life.
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Haiz... I guess I can't really avoid the impression of me being unfaithful once I declared that I am the cause of my girlfriend being infected with genital herpes... even though I have stated in the thread title that both of us have never had other partner in our life prior to the current situation. doh.gif

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Haiz... I guess I can't really avoid the impression of me being unfaithful once I declared that I am the cause of my girlfriend being infected with genital herpes... even though I have stated in the thread title that both of us have never had other partner in our life prior to the current situation. doh.gif
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Then it will be quite a mystery as to how your gf got the infection. If both of you have been faithful to each other then it is a big question as to how she got it - it's worrying because it means people can unknowingly catch it.
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The fact of the matter is that you cannot get (genital) herpes without sexual contact. There's a reason why it's categorized as an STD (sexually transmitted disease).

Right now until you get the bloodwork back, we can assume that your doctor has misdiagnosed your gf as having herpes. If it does come back positive then you and your gf need to have an honest talk.
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QUOTE(jchong @ May 5 2009, 09:54 AM)
Then it will be quite a mystery as to how your gf got the infection. If both of you have been faithful to each other then it is a big question as to how she got it - it's worrying because it means people can unknowingly catch it.
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If you read the whole thread, you will learn that oral herpes (mostly HSV1 but might be HSV2 as well) can spread to innocent victims if they shared eating utensils with a carrier who is experiencing outbreak in his mouth. doh.gif


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The fact of the matter is that you cannot get (genital) herpes without sexual contact. There's a reason why it's categorized as an STD (sexually transmitted disease).

Right now until you get the bloodwork back, we can assume that your doctor has misdiagnosed your gf as having herpes. If it does come back positive then you and your gf need to have an honest talk.
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Hrm... I think I've done enough reading to support my points above (reply to jchong).

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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ May 5 2009, 12:01 PM)
If you read the whole thread, you will learn that oral herpes (mostly HSV1 but might be HSV2 as well) can spread to innocent victims if they shared eating utensils with a carrier who is experiencing outbreak in his mouth. doh.gif
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Yes, that is one possible means of transmission. As I said it's quite worrying because in that situation people can unknowingly catch it.

So from oral herpes it can spread to become genital herpes if a person engages in oral sex? Edit: found the answer online, it can spread that way.

Anyway, how are both of you coping with this now? I'm glad the symptoms are getting better, but how is your gf emotionally?

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Yes, that is one possible means of transmission. As I said it's quite worrying because in that situation people can unknowingly catch it.

So from oral herpes it can spread to become genital herpes if a person engages in oral sex? Edit: found the answer online, it can spread that way.

Anyway, how are both of you coping with this now? I'm glad the symptoms are getting better, but how is your gf emotionally?
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Thanks for understanding. As I've mentioned earlier, there should be an awareness to alert young people to the possibility of catching herpes through non-sexual related activities. I've stopped sharing my eating utensils with my colleagues who usually took a bite from my daily fruits for fun. sad.gif

She's getting better, both physically & mentally, which is something I was looking very much forward to. Pertaining to our future, everything should be smooth but I can foresee her getting emotional once the outbreak recurs. And yeah, sooner or later I'll be catching it as well down there but let's not jump to conclusion until this weekend when I'll be getting the test reports from the clinic. smile.gif

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TS,

Have you went for a checkup for STDS as well? That can help cut down major possibilities as to how the infection sparked in your gf's body.
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TS,

Have you went for a checkup for STDS as well? That can help cut down major possibilities as to how the infection sparked in your gf's body.
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We did have our blood taken for HSV1 & HSV2 test & the result will be out in a few days time. I was actually looking forward to have all kinds of STD test but my girlfriend decided to have only HSV1 & HSV2 tested. I decided not to go against her as I fear that she might throw tantrum / cry later.

Well, I guess she has her own reason while I have mine. I was actually thinking that while we never fooled around, yet we still got diagnosed (not tested) with herpes so I'm not going to leave it to chance that herpes is the only STD that can spread through non-sexual related activities. However, taking into consideration that I can always take this tests again in the future, I guess it's best not to go against her wish as she still could not accept her cruel fate 100%.
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how is your condition now?

are you guys ok?
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read ur thread, hope everything turns out ok...

on some unrelated to the topic...
the best would be the doctor gave the wrong diagnosis and u probably end up suing him/her. lol.




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Hell, I never know the kind of guy having so solid faith on his gf. So extremely solid. You are rare, gentleman.

I don't think I can do that. I will probably act or look cool and calm but will pay any amouny/effort I can to find the truth. Probably ends up putting a cctv and recorded on her forehead. lol
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wooa, this thread is still alive?
don't get too carried away with this herpes thingy
just assume that u got a cold sore in your mouth.
how's the antibody check going on btw?
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Yep waiting for update .. hopefully TS will come back.
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Sorry again for the delayed update. I checked this thread a few days ago & saw no new post hence I thought that I can just let it rot away. Guess I was wrong. tongue.gif

The result is not out yet due to some delay from the lab side. I think they should be ready by tomorrow. I'll be calling the doctor to check on the status of the report next morning.

Even though there is no report, we still went to visit the gynecologist last weekend as my girlfriend's period just started & she discovered 1 new blister which was making her feeling very uncomfortable.

I was thinking of going by myself to get the acyclovir supply but she tagged along as she wanted to take this opportunity to ask the doctor about her period problem (~12 days period each time) which has been bugging her for years. Doctor said that it was not a recurrence (the blister) but her initial outbreak did not fully heal.

To be frank, even though I did tell myself that outbreak recurrence is something that I have to get used to, my heart sank when she told me that a new blister popped out & I couldn't sleep properly. sad.gif It's not about me being suspicious of her but more towards the feeling of guilt.

Anyway, I also have to learn to deal with her temper when she got uncomfortable down there. I can sense that she's still blaming me about it whenever she got agitated by the discomfort. I think I better stop here since it's getting way too personal.

I shall be updating again once I have the result. Positive or negative, I think it doesn't make much difference now.

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Wow, what a long thread it has become.

But a little conclusion I picked up, she's blaming you for it, and you're on her side to the CORE! Very unfortunate for you.

It is true that herpes can spread in non-sexual ways, but honestly, that's very rare. Extremely rare. For your info, Herpes 1 is usually in the mouth and 2 is at the privates. But because of oral sex being widespread, the 2 can now be found interchangably.

The reason why I believe looking for the cause is still important (unlike other suggestions that you forget the cause), is because you want to prevent further occurance. If you dont know how it happens, you cant prevent it. However, after lenghty discussion in your thread, I believe you havent found the cause, or probably blamed it to non-sexual transmission. Fare enough, you have your reasons.

Of course she cannot go on blaming you and throw tantrums at you continuously because of this, so hopefully she'll cool down or you'll really have to sit down with her and explain that you're being really nice to her, because it seems like she's going a little overboard "bullying" you in that way. You're a nice guy, she just has to know that.

Will be waiting for your results! smile.gif All the best
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Wow, what a long thread it has become.

But a little conclusion I picked up, she's blaming you for it, and you're on her side to the CORE! Very unfortunate for you.

It is true that herpes can spread in non-sexual ways, but honestly, that's very rare. Extremely rare. For your info, Herpes 1 is usually in the mouth and 2 is at the privates. But because of oral sex being widespread, the 2 can now be found interchangably.

The reason why I believe looking for the cause is still important (unlike other suggestions that you forget the cause), is because you want to prevent further occurance. If you dont know how it happens, you cant prevent it. However, after lenghty discussion in your thread, I believe you havent found the cause, or probably blamed it to non-sexual transmission. Fare enough, you have your reasons.

Of course she cannot go on blaming you and throw tantrums at you continuously because of this, so hopefully she'll cool down or you'll really have to sit down with her and explain that you're being really nice to her, because it seems like she's going a little overboard "bullying" you in that way. You're a nice guy, she just has to know that.

Will be waiting for your results! smile.gif All the best
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I've given up on probability. Rare or not, the fact that it occurred to 2 innocent (in the sense that we never did anything wrong) souls have simply demolished the belief & confidence I had in myself.

Anyway the test result is out. I was tested positive for HSV1 & negative for HSV2 (IgG).

Meanwhile, my girlfriend was tested negative for both HSV1 & HSV2 (IgG). However, doctor encouraged us to take another test for my girlfriend probably 3 months later as her antibody might not have developed to counter HSV1 infection at the moment. I've checked in this site & I guess our gynecologist was right after all.

Nevertheless, 1 thing is very clear now: I am MOST PROBABLY (if not definitely) the root cause of her infection.

In replying to Fireball9, you'll have to understand that I'm the only one (excluding the gynecologist) that knew about her condition. She has no one else to turn to & I am in fact very glad (yet difficult) that she confided in me about the hardship that she is going through. Being nice to her does not equal to prohibiting her from throwing tantrum nor bullying me. I believe it's just her natural reaction that I have never known of all these years we were dating. smile.gif

There is one thing troubling me now. I am very very determined in bringing awareness to my friends, colleagues & family members on the danger / risk of infecting themselves & others to herpes through everyday activities. However, I do not want to reveal them of what my girlfriend & me have been going through. Yes, this account is a dupe but if Mod is reading this, I hope you'll understand the need for me to dupe. I am not a troll with my original account & have been nice since the first day I joined LYN so please do not ban me.

Do you guys have any idea on how I can spread this information? I have been thinking of writing about my positive result of cold sore (HSV1) in my blog but I figured that it would sooner or later come to the point where my readers will ask me about my girlfriend since it can infect others via kissing too. I hope that you guys will help me in getting this information to others too since I do not see any kind of awareness campaign out there except for AIDS which is the very ad that is misleading others & posing risk of contracting HSV.

REMEMBER, if you have high frequency of mouth ulcer / cold sore, you MIGHT HAVE herpes. Do not attempt oral with your partner if you have this symptom.

Do not ever share your eating utensils or drinking bottle with others!

Do wash your hand thoroughly before touching your private parts (for whatever reason)!

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Read your thread. Sincere regards to both of you.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ May 13 2009, 01:09 PM)
Anyway the test result is out. I was tested positive for HSV1 & negative for HSV2 (IgG).

Meanwhile, my girlfriend was tested negative for both HSV1 & HSV2 (IgG). However, doctor encouraged us to take another test for my girlfriend probably 3 months later as her antibody might not have developed to counter HSV1 infection at the moment. I've checked in this site & I guess our gynecologist was right after all.

Nevertheless, 1 thing is very clear now: I am MOST PROBABLY (if not definitely) the root cause of her infection.
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Thanks for relating your results.

I hope your gf is not too angry with you as the cause and engages in the blame game. Anyway, I hope you both will cope well with the lifestyle adjustments you have to make.
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Holy Macro, this thread deserves to be pinned i think...

i didnt know anything much about herpes for the past 30 years of my existence, took me just couple of mins to understand what it is...

herpes

WTF?!
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How unfortunate for both of you.
But how fortunate for both of you to post your case here.

If i can CURE both of you, herpes type 1 and 2, i hope you can buy me a wonderful dinner at Victoria Station.. biggrin.gif

You can pm me if you're interested for more details that is strictly confidential.
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Thanks for the offer. Based on your posts, you seemed to be knowledgeable in medical stuffs. However, I am not sure if I should trust you as I do not understand why you have to be so secretive if you know the cure to HSV. Kindly understand that I'm not discriminating you or anyone else but it'll be helpful if you're willing to share your knowledge here with others as I'm very sure that I'm not the only one with HSV1. Many others are infected without having a single clue that they have the potential to spread it to others.

At the same time, kindly understand that while it is OK for me to try any sorts of treatment (since I only have it in my mouth), the same can't be applied to my girlfriend since she got it down there. It's not easy to convince her - heck, even myself - to try out something that will have an effect to the private part. sad.gif


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QUOTE(aurora97 @ May 19 2009, 06:00 PM)
Holy Macro, this thread deserves to be pinned i think...

i didnt know anything much about herpes for the past 30 years of my existence, took me just couple of mins to understand what it is...

herpes

WTF?!
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I'm glad that you have stumbled upon this thread of mine. Do lend me a hand in spreading the information. Make sure you get a check if you have high frequency of mouth ulcers.

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CURE? u shud post your cure to the journal. i'm sure the drug company would buy your formula for billions.

still, i'm not here to undermine complementary medicine.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ May 19 2009, 09:11 PM)
Thanks for the offer. Based on your posts, you seemed to be knowledgeable in medical stuffs. However, I am not sure if I should trust you as I do not understand why you have to be so secretive if you know the cure to HSV. Kindly understand that I'm not discriminating you or anyone else but it'll be helpful if you're willing to share your knowledge here with others as I'm very sure that I'm not the only one with HSV1. Many others are infected without having a single clue that they have the potential to spread it to others.

At the same time, kindly understand that while it is OK for me to try any sorts of treatment (since I only have it in my mouth), the same can't be applied to my girlfriend since she got it down there. It's not easy to convince her - heck, even myself - to try out something that will have an effect to the private part. sad.gif


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I'm glad that you have stumbled upon this thread of mine. Do lend me a hand in spreading the information. Make sure you get a check if you have high frequency of mouth ulcers.
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mouth ulcers? - mine i think is categorized as Pysical Injury (excessive in take of salty food and biting myself).

to my knowledge I only have mouth ulcers when don't drnk enough especially when its hot and hazy out there (or when i bite my lips, which i recently did over lunch - retarded really)

I sort of disagree on the part where mouth ulcers are signs and symptoms of herpes...

but in terms of contraction via utensils (example) previously used by a carier of such virus, possibly the mouth ulcer could be an entry point for the virus... other than that i am doubtful.


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BUT i had this "Herpes_Zoster" A.K.A Shingles, "Sang Sa" (literally translated is "snake"- folk lore states if the snake should complete a circle, ur dead.)
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Please understand that I'm not trying to frighten or doubt you. If you Google around, you'll see that ulcers are a strong symptom of infection. If you get it in your mouth, it'll be cold sore. If down there, then that will be genital ulcers. Some people called it lesions though.

Herpes Zoster is different as what I'm talking about is Herpes Simplex. smile.gif

To be on the safe side, I'll recommend you to do a simple check. Else, just becareful on where you land your mouth at in future.

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HSV 2 (gential ulcers) when compared to HSV 1 (gingivostomatitis), HSV 1 can be gotten via close contact and aerosol. However HSV 2 is via sexual contact.

HSV3 is your common shingels and chicken pox.

Have you done the test on your gf?
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QUOTE(blo0dx @ May 20 2009, 12:53 PM)
I only know that TS is infected with Herpes. I am interested in helping those who are SICK, NOT to share my knowledge for free.
Thrid time saying this same thing, Im here for business and not for charity.

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Then you HAVE NO BUSINESS being in this subforum and responding to topics here. Go peddle your business somewhere else, for eg in "service noticeboard" subforum.

The word "helping" you use is very shameless indeed. That sentence should be be replaced with... "I am interested in promoting my business to those who are sick"


If your cure is sensitive, probably it should be more towards "illegal" or "pure luck NOT totally proven " type of cure. It's like you selling to 100 customers and maybe 10 works on them. That is why you refuse to disclose even a single info about it here. You're scared it will be questioned and bombarded with pure facts that will cause potential customers to stay away.

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ May 20 2009, 12:00 PM)
Then you HAVE NO BUSINESS being in this subforum and responding to topics here. Go peddle your business somewhere else, for eg in "service noticeboard" subforum.

The word "helping" you use is very shameless indeed. That sentence should be be replaced with... "I am interested in promoting my business to those who are sick"
If your cure is sensitive, probably it should be more towards "illegal" or "pure luck NOT totall proven " type of cure. It's like you selling to 100 customers and maybe 10 works on them. That is why you refuse to disclose even a single info about it here. You're scared it will be questioned and bombarded with pure facts that will cause potential customers to stay away.
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kinda agree on this... better to setup another thread then put d link here

is there any stats on d % of popolation infected by herpes based on country
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Whatever herbal or bomoh remedy i think you're offering you should at least share with us, i mean if we dont know the procedure doubt any of us would do it. And would be fun just to know. Homeopathy biggrin.gif
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Let me put things in ABC form since some people fail to understand.

Q: Why dont you provide evidence or stats for your cure?"
A: Why should i ?

Q: Then how do we expect to believe in whatever you said?
A: Then dont.

Simple?

Alan: What is your qualification?

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QUOTE(blo0dx @ May 20 2009, 12:08 PM)
The word "helping" you use is very shameless indeed. That sentence should be be replaced with... "I am interested in promoting my business to those who are sick"

That is exactly what i mean. Or did you expect me to help him for free? Shameless?? Nice one.
I have no idea why you need to make things so clear. But it doesnt matter. I have no business with you nor the forum but only those who WANTS my help.
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dont have to get all worked up about all this...

Assumption:
The the "Cure" is legitimate
License practitioner i.e. Doctor or phamacist or chinese sensei (collectively "Medical Practioners")
The "Drug" is licensed by the respective health ministries.

To the Critics:
Medical Practitioners need money to buy equipments, to set up practice, to acquire license etc... therefore its reasonable to expect the patient to pay a fee for the purported "Cure".

The Medical Practitioner:
For as long as men can remember, Medical Practitioner has held themselves with high regard and esteem. As far as receiving critisicm is concern, many medical practitioner have very little tolerance.

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Dont get emotionallor is wat i am trying to say.

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QUOTE(blo0dx @ May 20 2009, 01:08 PM)
Alan: What is your qualification?
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An individual who qualified enough to understand a webforum is a place to discuss and share information and if can, help each other. For this instances, in finding or suggesting (suggest, NOT promote) cure and remedy to health related issues. Selfish people with main intention of PROMOTING THEIR BUSINESS + HOLDING INFO is not suitable enough to participate in forum because they chosen NOT to discuss/contribute anything.

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QUOTE(Cristiano-Ronaldo-7 @ May 20 2009, 11:55 AM)
HSV 2 (gential ulcers) when compared to HSV 1 (gingivostomatitis), HSV 1 can be gotten via close contact and aerosol. However HSV 2 is via sexual contact.

HSV3 is your common shingels and chicken pox.

Have you done the test on your gf?
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I never knew there is HSV3. No matter how you look at it, the possibility is still there to get infected with HSV1 on private parts. The example is my girlfriend.

The test result is a few posts back.


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Few things i would like to point out before any further discussion on the Cure.

I only know that TS is infected with Herpes. I am interested in helping those who are SICK, NOT to share my knowledge for free.
Thrid time saying this same thing, Im here for business and not for charity.
I dont expect people to believe in what i say because i remain as a stranger in here. I just feel that its cruel to have Herpes for the rest of your life. That is EXACTLY why i felt like helping you, TS.
Asking me to SHARE the cure is extremely "naive" because this does not happen in this planet unfortunately. Especially when the cure is HIGHLY SENSITIVE.

Secondly, to the person who posted about the drug industry buying the cure..
What actually makes you think that the drug industry is interested in anything other than drugs? No drugs, no talk. Thats right, i never use drugs to treat.
Final word to TS...
If you want me to help you, then i will. If you want to go with supression methods of any kind which is easily available outside, im fine with it. This is the second cruel thing i imagined about a couple being their doctor's/pharmacist's passive income for the rest of their lives until their last breath. As you know, there is NO CURE for herpes using drugs.
This post should answer all the questions so please read carefully.
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Can you at least shed some light on what kind of treatment will it be? I mean, is it something that have to be taken orally, or applied on the spot or something else? Perhaps you can PM me if you're not comfortable with disclosing it here.

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blo0dx : U're right by saying that we would be suspicious of you since you are new to this forum.

So why not just be open and tell us about what is it that you're trying to sell. Rather than do it via PM, just share with us a bit. Doesn't have to be a cure but more of what services you provide.

When you request ppl to PM you, it sounds extremely shady.

There is a Code of Ethics for buying and selling, even if it's for direct selling products. Heck, I had a book on it in the Tupperware catalog when I join them and it wasn't from them but from a Malaysian Govt Ministry that looks after direct selling companies.

You can argue about contradictions all you want. But ultimately, your counter-arguments is making you look too defensive. If we miss out on an opportunity to be cured at your expense, so be it.

neverendingsigh : Just be careful when someone ask you to PM them for a cure. blo0dx has been posting a lot of hints like this all over the H&F forum recently but no disclosure about the type of business he's doing or the products he is selling. That's why a lot of people are wary / leery of him.

If you want to take that risk, that's fine. But it may be a serious medical risk that medical insurance may not cover.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ May 20 2009, 01:09 PM)
I never knew there is HSV3. No matter how you look at it, the possibility is still there to get infected with HSV1 on private parts. The example is my girlfriend.

The test result is a few posts back.


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Can you at least shed some light on what kind of treatment will it be? I mean, is it something that have to be taken orally, or applied on the spot or something else? Perhaps you can PM me if you're not comfortable with disclosing it here.
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TS:
by the we complete derailed ur topic tongue.gif

apparently chicken pox, shingles etc... are from the same family tree as Herpes.. (new facts) doh.gif just that the occurence is due to weaken immune system, unlike the herpes u mentioned especially in relations to HSV2 comes from sexually transmitted disease.




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QUOTE(aurora97 @ May 20 2009, 02:28 PM)
TS:
by the we complete derailed ur topic tongue.gif

apparently chicken pox, shingles etc... are from the same family tree as Herpes.. (new facts)  doh.gif just that the occurence is due to weaken immune system, unlike the herpes u mentioned especially in relations to HSV2 comes from sexually transmitted disease.
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I know that they (chicken pox, shingles etc.) are from the herpes family but my only concern is the Simplex strain. To say that HSV (either 1 or 2) is a STD is very hurtful to victims such as me since I did not get it from sexual contact. :'(


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Thanks for your advice. Don't worry as I will not be taking up offers blindly. One way or another, I do appreciate blo0dx's offer since it does give me a ray of hope that maybe, & maybe someone might have found a cure though it has yet to be proven for whatever reason it may be.

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kinda agree on this... better to setup another thread then put d link here

is there any stats on d % of popolation infected by herpes based on country
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One out of five of the total adolescent and adult population is infected with genital herpes.

One in five Americans have genital herpes (yet at least 80 percent of those with herpes are unaware they have it).

Source : Herpes Statistic
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One out of five of the total adolescent and adult population is infected with genital herpes.

One in five Americans have genital herpes (yet at least 80 percent of those with herpes are unaware they have it).

Source : Herpes Statistic
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Americans.... I hope it does not apply in Malaysia.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ May 20 2009, 01:39 PM)
blo0dx : U're right by saying that we would be suspicious of you since you are new to this forum.

So why not just be open and tell us about what is it that you're trying to sell. Rather than do it via PM, just share with us a bit. Doesn't have to be a cure but more of what services you provide.

When you request ppl to PM you, it sounds extremely shady.

There is a Code of Ethics for buying and selling, even if it's for direct selling products. Heck, I had a book on it in the Tupperware catalog when I join them and it wasn't from them but from a Malaysian Govt Ministry that looks after direct selling companies.

You can argue about contradictions all you want. But ultimately, your counter-arguments is making you look too defensive. If we miss out on an opportunity to be cured at your expense, so be it.

neverendingsigh : Just be careful when someone ask you to PM them for a cure. blo0dx has been posting a lot of hints like this all over the H&F forum recently but no disclosure about the type of business he's doing or the products he is selling. That's why a lot of people are wary / leery of him.

If you want to take that risk, that's fine. But it may be a serious medical risk that medical insurance may not cover.
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Fantastic! Wonderful! Well said..

Wonder why no one has anything to say about it.

Anyway, back to the herpes topic.. any latest updates from your end TS?
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herpes is recurrent, which primary herpes (1st time) is the most severe, the subsequence time is "always" milder. There is still no medical way to totally eradicate the HSV in the infected people body, it will stay dormant (in nerve which no med can reach there) and reactivated when body is stressed or sick.. Luckily, Acyclovir is very effective in treating herpes, but note cure.

Good luck to you two ya.

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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ May 23 2009, 02:18 AM)
Fantastic! Wonderful! Well said..

Wonder why no one has anything to say about it.

Anyway, back to the herpes topic.. any latest updates from your end TS?
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No update so far since everything is going smoothly. smile.gif I really hope that I do not have to post anymore update here in future.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ May 24 2009, 11:50 PM)
No update so far since everything is going smoothly. smile.gif I really hope that I do not have to post anymore update here in future.
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Glad to hear your girlfriend's doing ok. Just wondering, what did that bloodx guy try to sell you anyway?
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Or maybe she's a technical virgin but got jizz over her pubic area?

This is a serious answer, and it's a possibility if she's faking that she's gotten these ulcers for the first time. Maybe it was simply a good time for you to find out.

QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 02:15 AM)
Guys, let's not start about dupe account / new member. I'm in need of serious, experienced advice here.

Both me and my girlfriend are still virgin. We have been together for 9 years so there is no question about our loyalty towards each another. The closest we ever got to the real deal is oral.

Just a few days ago, she discovered swellings at her private part down there. A few days later, it got worse & became a few spots of ulcer. She started to feel pain while passing urine & I brought her to a local gynecologist for checkup.

This was when the doctor revealed that she was infected with herpes. Imagine her shock for getting a STD without doing anything wrong. I was without a doubt shocked as well, but putting myself in her shoe, it's definitely nothing compared to what she's feeling.

We did a memory rewind of what occurred a week ago but could not come up with anything other than passing urine in a dirty toilet by a local beach. I was thinking that it could be that her urine splattered from the floor back to her skin on her private part but it sounded pretty silly.

I searched the Internet & found that there are 2 strains of herpes, HSV1 (cold sore & usually at mouth) & HSV2 (genital herpes). HSV1 can be easily picked up if you somehow shared the same eating utensils of a carrier so it was pretty common. The gynecologist just took a look & pronounced as having HSV2 but I was thinking that it could be HSV1 if it came from me.

Long story short, have any of you experienced this kind of scenario? She was crying herself to sleep & couldn't accept the fact that she got a STD out of nothing.
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Added on November 8, 2009, 10:09 pmI revise my opinion.

The thread starter is a troll or dupe who painstakingly crafted a morality tale in order to influence people.

He writes too carefully and diplomatically. Explains too much.

And passes us implausible, CONTRA-FACTUAL evidence as facts.


Added on November 8, 2009, 10:14 pmHealth and Fitness and we don't even have a single doctor here who could have put this issue to rest....

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Dickson Poon, stop being a dickhead and bumping old threads and calling the TS a troll when you are just looking for trouble.

If you cannot have compassion for other ppl with their problems, then stop posting in H&F.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Nov 9 2009, 06:52 AM)
Dickson Poon, stop being a dickhead and bumping old threads and calling the TS a troll when you are just looking for trouble.

If you cannot have compassion for other ppl with their problems, then stop posting in H&F.
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I bumped this thread because it was linked with good intentions from another topic.

Who's looking for trouble? A guy who posts false information and passes it off as real, or the guy who calls him out on it?

You're the TS's dupe, aren't you?

Edit: I see how this misunderstanding can occur. I did not post what I posted in that other thread here.


Added on November 9, 2009, 9:20 amCopy and paste from here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1220455

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I'm not a doctor but now let us examine the plausibility of getting herpes like was alleged in this thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1010774

For starters, whether the TS is a troll or dupe DOES matter. Trolls and dupes are known to create highly contrived and convoluted dramas just to rickroll people.

Secondly... getting genital herpes from a few droplets that splashed against her from the ground?

In order to be infected, a person needs to be exposed to a sufficient size of viral load, and that viral load also has to survive and pass through channels such as breaks in skin or the mucous membranes.

Droplets from the ground.... JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. doh.gif

In order for that to happen a whole bunch of infected individuals would have to spill gallons of infected body fluids and soak the ground!

As for the herpes spreading to other parts of her body from an initially infected site... again, not likely as after the first infection she would have some immunity to the virus and it would be contained to the site of first infection.

As for spreading from her boyfriend, if it was from oral sex, he would have visible sores on his mouth a few days before or after.

It could be from towels but that would have to be from USED towels. You get the idea.

Whether the outbreak is HSV 1 or 2 is of high importance and significance. In order to be exposed to STDs you must be somehow exposed to a sexual network that has them or is vulnerable to them.

I LOL'ed at all those fools in that thread saying the doctor has "bad judgement" for thinking they're just another couple that sleeps around. There is such a thing as patient-doctor confidentiality, but even then there's a limit a doctor will go to just to LIE for the patient.

BOTTOM LINE.

Two possibilities.

The thread starter is the perfect waterfish for whom the image of his angelic girlfriend cannot be shattered and she DID get herpes by moonlighting for extra income or some fling a week prior to her outbreak and the doctor knows this but cannot tell the boyfriend due to patient doctor confidentiality.

Or the threadstarter is a troll or dupe out to craft a morality tale for weak minded sheeple.


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The original TS of the faithful couple really did face a dilemma and using his thread as an evidence on whether it was true or not was really in poor taste. Like I said, you were not around during that time, neither were you privy to the agony faced by the TS. And to say that he was a liar is pretty amazing considering the story that he wrote out and he was desperately seeking answers. It's not easy lie even if a person is delusional or not of right of mind.

Having a discussion on whether people are telling the truth or not about sexual problems shouldn't be in H&F. This is not the correct forum on deliberating on moral dilemmas. If you want to, take it over to Real World Issues.

H&F threads shouldn't be a circus act for moral discussions. If people aren't sure of how to ask a question, it's not to say that they were lying.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Nov 9 2009, 10:43 AM)
The original TS of the faithful couple really did face a dilemma and using his thread as an evidence on whether it was true or not was really in poor taste.


How do you know the story is real?

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Like I said, you were not around during that time, neither were you privy to the agony faced by the TS.


I would bet that neither were you.

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And to say that he was a liar is pretty amazing considering the story that he wrote out and he was desperately seeking answers. It's not easy lie even if a person is delusional or not of right of mind.


That's very naive thinking.

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Having a discussion on whether people are telling the truth or not about sexual problems shouldn't be in H&F. This is not the correct forum on deliberating on moral dilemmas. If you want to, take it over to Real World Issues.


It matters. It's obvious to me that this guy has huge issues with the message of non-stigmatisation being spread by the various AIDS awareness campaigns and is trying to craft a morality tale to influence people here. His writing stinks of the fake diplomacy you find in forwarded emails.

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H&F threads shouldn't be a circus act for moral discussions.


H&F shouldn't be a circus act for trolls to dupe the credulous and uncritical.
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HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected.

HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called “fever blisters.” HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.


http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/STDFact-herpes.htm#Howspread

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The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, including genital herpes, is to abstain from sexual contact, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and is known to be uninfected.

Genital ulcer diseases can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes.
Persons with herpes should abstain from sexual activity with uninfected partners when lesions or other symptoms of herpes are present. It is important to know that even if a person does not have any symptoms he or she can still infect sex partners. Sex partners of infected persons should be advised that they may become infected and they should use condoms to reduce the risk. Sex partners can seek testing to determine if they are infected with HSV. A positive HSV-2 blood test most likely indicates a genital herpes infection.


Feel free to Google if feeling ignorant.
Just make sure to not be a smart/dumb arse biggrin.gif

Sad though.
Just glad it's not HIV sweat.gif
Some poor souls did get HIV by accident; dentist using contaminated tools on a healthy patient.
So, accidents do happens.

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Nov 9 2009, 04:09 PM)
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Feel free to Google if feeling ignorant.
Just make sure to not be a smart/dumb arse  biggrin.gif

Sad though.
Just glad it's not HIV  sweat.gif
Some poor souls did get HIV by accident; dentist using contaminated tools on a healthy patient.
So, accidents do happens.
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Thanks for the links!

Nowhere do I see how HSV can be spread by pee splashing back from a dirty toilet floor.

ROFLMAO!

The TS's girlfriend MUST be a virgin and MUST be faithful to him. LOL!

What a cool story eh brother...
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 9 2009, 08:16 AM)
Oik Raikkonen, your avatar is of my dream girl!  mad.gif
lalas? laugh.gif

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 9 2009, 08:16 AM)
Thanks for the links!

Nowhere do I see how HSV can be spread by pee splashing back from a dirty toilet floor.

ROFLMAO!

The TS's girlfriend MUST be a virgin and MUST be faithful to him. LOL!

What a cool story eh brother...
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you mean HSV or HIV?
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The reason why I chose to believe that the TS was real was because I did have extensive chitchats with him both on MSN and PMs. You don't get to embellish a lot of what he says, even in forwarded emails. That's the most I will say about this situation as I respect his privacy.

Like I said before, you weren't around in May 09 when all these chit chats were going on. Neither were the majority of the people who are currently active in H&F forum atm. So it is easy now after more than 6 months to take the easy way and accuse that it wasn't real.

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I have a bridge I would like to loan. I own the concession to collect toll from it.

That bridge has been in my family for three generations and was a gift from Mobutu Sese Seko's grandfather who was a tribal chief in Zaire. It is a heirloom that has been passed down from one generation to another through traditional hereditary laws that has not been interrupted since time immemorial.

Recently however you have heard about the civil war raging throughout the region. My family and I have fallen on hard times... and we are in dire need of cash.

Dear sir...

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The reason why I chose to believe that the TS was real was because I did have extensive chitchats with him both on MSN and PMs. You don't get to embellish a lot of what he says, even in forwarded emails. That's the most I will say about this situation as I respect his privacy.

Like I said before, you weren't around in May 09 when all these chit chats were going on. Neither were the majority of the people who are currently active in H&F forum atm. So it is easy now after more than 6 months to take the easy way and accuse that it wasn't real.


NO.

I smell bullshit and I smell it thick from the TS.

There is a third possibility.


That he is a "cheongster" and in fact spread that herpes to her, but now feigns ignorance and virginity, and is using THIS VERY FORUM AND POST ITSELF to convince her that she got herpes through non-sexual contact, thus absolving him from blame.


That would explain how much of the pity card he is playing as well as how he uses lies and misdirection to push his case.

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You spend a lot of effort trying to prove me and the TS wrong.

Time to just stop trying to have the last say and enjoy life methinks.
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Liars don't deserve sympathy. They deserve a kick to the nuts.
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 10 2009, 05:32 PM)
Liars don't deserve sympathy. They deserve a kick to the nuts.
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You too. For reopening an old thread of nearly 6 months just to flame.
Find a life pls.

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Note to mods: I'm reopening this thread as I was unaware of new posts & accusations that were hurled to me while I was away.

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 8 2009, 09:36 PM)
Or maybe she's a technical virgin but got jizz over her pubic area?

This is a serious answer, and it's a possibility if she's faking that she's gotten these ulcers for the first time. Maybe it was simply a good time for you to find out.

Added on November 8, 2009, 10:09 pmI revise my opinion.

The thread starter is a troll or dupe who painstakingly crafted a morality tale in order to influence people.

He writes too carefully and diplomatically. Explains too much.

And passes us implausible, CONTRA-FACTUAL evidence as facts.


Added on November 8, 2009, 10:14 pmHealth and Fitness and we don't even have a single doctor here who could have put this issue to rest....

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I've already admitted in my very first post that I'm a dupe. While my fiancée (yes, I've proposed to her last year) is not a LYN member, I don't think its appropriate for me to put her in such an embarrassing position since both of us are innocent. Why fear to use my primary account then? Well, as you can see in this thread, I find it disheartening that society has degraded to the level where truth is so hard to be taken seriously. No matter how much I explained, you'll still call me a liar hence there's a need to protect my fiancée's identity.

If you seriously want to see all the proof, do let me know. I can always try to arrange for a place for us to meet. However, keep in mind that I'm from the northern Peninsular, which means that you can't really expect me to go all the way down KL or anywhere too far.

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 9 2009, 09:18 AM)
I bumped this thread because it was linked with good intentions from another topic.

Who's looking for trouble? A guy who posts false information and passes it off as real, or the guy who calls him out on it?

You're the TS's dupe, aren't you?

Edit: I see how this misunderstanding can occur. I did not post what I posted in that other thread here.


Added on November 9, 2009, 9:20 amCopy and paste from here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1220455
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Pertaining to the link you provided, I'm too tired to look for that post since your quote didn't include the pink-arrow-link-button. It's pretty late so I hope that you'll understand. However, what I can tell you is that the summary that the guy in your quote came to were totally wrong. Kindly refer to Post #74 where lab test has showed that I had oral herpes (HSV1) which was transmitted to my partner when I did oral on her.

I am a perfect waterfish? Yes, I don't mind him calling me so but what was the point in labeling my partner in such a detailed description of "moonlighting for extra income or some fling a week prior"? Sigh... like I've mentioned above, this is the very reason I can't post using my primary account.

EDIT: Oh, that guy was you. That explains a lot. doh.gif

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 9 2009, 04:04 PM)
How do you know the story is real?
I would bet that neither were you.
That's very naive thinking.
It matters. It's obvious to me that this guy has huge issues with the message of non-stigmatisation being spread by the various AIDS awareness campaigns and is trying to craft a morality tale to influence people here. His writing stinks of the fake diplomacy you find in forwarded emails.
H&F shouldn't be a circus act for trolls to dupe the credulous and uncritical.
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Refer to the "let's meet up" reply above. I have nothing to lose. I'll be very glad if what I did can save someone from the agony & suffering we received.

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 9 2009, 04:16 PM)
Oik Raikkonen, your avatar is of my dream girl!  mad.gif
Thanks for the links!

Nowhere do I see how HSV can be spread by pee splashing back from a dirty toilet floor.

ROFLMAO!

The TS's girlfriend MUST be a virgin and MUST be faithful to him. LOL!

What a cool story eh brother...
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This has been replied above. If you read through all my posts in this thread, you should have realized that the "pee splashing back from a dirty toilet floor" theory was something that came into my mind while trying to trace back the activities that we did in the range of a few days prior to the herpes infection. I was in a panic & in this kind of situation, taking into consideration all the activities that we did differently was pretty logical, no?

I mean, it wasn't the first oral I gave her. Then we did go to a beach with dirty toilet. Moreover, I NEVER knew that mouth ulcer could be caused by HSV1. I'm very sure that most of you guys out there thought that mouth ulcer is very normal; either you accidentally bite your lips or (very famous among Chinese elders) your body is too heaty.

QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Nov 10 2009, 12:24 AM)
I have a bridge I would like to loan. I own the concession to collect toll from it.

That bridge has been in my family for three generations and was a gift from Mobutu Sese Seko's grandfather who was a tribal chief in Zaire. It is a heirloom that has been passed down from one generation to another through traditional hereditary laws that has not been interrupted since time immemorial.

Recently however you have heard about the civil war raging throughout the region. My family and I have fallen on hard times... and we are in dire need of cash.

Dear sir...
NO.

I smell bullshit and I smell it thick from the TS.

There is a third possibility.


That he is a "cheongster" and in fact spread that herpes to her, but now feigns ignorance and virginity, and is using THIS VERY FORUM AND POST ITSELF to convince her that she got herpes through non-sexual contact, thus absolving him from blame.


That would explain how much of the pity card he is playing as well as how he uses lies and misdirection to push his case.
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What's the point in me trying to seek attention with a new account? You're just trying to put me in the same group as trolls since anything that you don't believe will be branded as trollings. Even though it's hard to prove that I'm a virgin, I couldn't think of any point to prove it to you anyway since you have already judged me as a criminal in your mind.

I've sent you a PM to inform you of my replies here. Have a nice day.

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Lie or no lie, the answers we provide to the problem also acts as solutions to others in this forum whom might possibly currently or one time in the future face this exact problem.
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woah this thread scares me.its quite prone for me to get mouth ulcers too,does that mean i might be infected with HSV1? O.o wah need to go for a medical check up!
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QUOTE(ToxicSweets @ Jan 29 2010, 07:35 PM)
woah this thread scares me.its quite prone for me to get mouth ulcers too,does that mean i might be infected with HSV1? O.o wah need to go for a medical check up!
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Let's not come to a conclusion so fast. The best you can do is to have your blood sample checked for any HSV1 / HSV2 antibodies. I wish you luck.
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Today is the first time the problem recurs. I'm totally shocked when she called & cry. sad.gif

It's like totally unexpected but I guess that's the price we have to pay for our folly in the past. I'm just hoping that the prognosis will indicate it as some minor problem such as rashes or something else. sad.gif
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http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/STDFact-herpes.htm#Howspread


as far as i can see...there is no other way to get HSV2 easily!
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Oct 14 2010, 09:44 AM)
since Raikkonen have posted the link
http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/STDFact-herpes.htm#Howspread
as far as i can see...there is no other way to get HSV2 easily!
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Erm... but my problem is with HSV1, not HSV2. The previous blood test showed my wife (we've registered earlier this year) with negative result for both HSV1 & HSV2. Since this is the first recurrence, she agreed to go for another round of blood test & the result will be out by next week. I'm not even sure if I'm hoping for a positive or negative result. Sigh~
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i was told that this virus can even spread when u use public toilet bowl. Not sure if this is correct.
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Hi, I have read through all the posts. I'm still don't understand. She has a result of negative but why she still get the symptom of herpes?
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Hi, I have read through all the posts. I'm still don't understand. She has a result of negative but why she still get the symptom of herpes?
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I'm not a doctor so what I can do here is just to pass you the same information the gynaecologist told us. One of the possibilities were due to my partner's weak health, which delayed the HSV1 antibody in her body. Another possibility was that perhaps what she contracted down there was not HSV1 but something else. The tests that we can do were pretty limited & it's not like they can take your blood sample & put it into some machines which will tell you all the type of virus / bacteria they found inside. We had to determine what kind of virus we want to test on & we'll get the result based on the selections we made. Mind you, it's not cheap to get these tests done. sad.gif
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read the 1st page :

when she ask "why why why"

Did she ever considered that YOU might be the unloyal one instead
As in , she is feeling negative because

1. it happened to her
2. it was you perhaps
3. she might have been unfaithful
4. you might have been unfaithful
5. food sharing/ oral sex (who's to blame)

or feeling sad that u might b the blame, or the culprit, or the unloyal, unfaithful?

im not saying you are, but might be good to know her feelings on it

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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Oct 9 2011, 11:10 PM)
read the 1st page :

when she ask "why why why"

Did she ever considered that YOU might be the unloyal one instead
As in , she is feeling negative because

1. it happened to her
2. it was you perhaps
3. she might have been unfaithful
4. you might have been unfaithful
5. food sharing/ oral sex (who's to blame)

or feeling sad that u might b the blame, or the culprit, or the unloyal, unfaithful?

im not saying you are, but might be good to know her feelings on it
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Thanks for bringing that up, though I must admit that you got me re-reading the first page all over again. smile.gif

On the question of her suspecting me as being disloyal, I think that has never cropped up. Things have been going pretty OK for us so far & based on the small talks we had from time to time, it was the pain that caused her to go ballistic on me, not any weird fantasies of me doing wild things with some random girls. biggrin.gif

Based on the last test she did, her HSV1 antibody-count was still 0, so it's either her body somehow refused to produce the HSV1 antibody or it was not a HSV at all in the first place. I'm leaning to the latter though due to the fact that a few months ago, I stayed over at her rented house for a night & my glans had red dots all over it 2 days later, which went away after a week. We didn't do anything during the overnight so I suspect that the culprit was most probably her rented house's bad water supply quality. Still, I don't think there's any point to shift the blame to the tap now & all I can do is to pray that the ulcers don't come back. notworthy.gif
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Thanks for the articles. I was with my girlfriend just now hence the delay in replying. Anyway, she's better now though the area down there is hurting like hell due to the cream that she has to apply 5 times a day.

Don't take me wrong in trying to redirect the blame but I sincerely hope that the Education Ministry will stop focusing on HIV so much in secondary school Biology syllabus. In trying to culture the mindset that it's OK to share towel, eating utensils with HIV carriers, they've indirectly exposed many people (especially young) to other virus that can easily spread through sharing the aforementioned equipments. Again, don't take me wrong, I'm not putting the blame of my problem to others.

Last but not least, I guess it's time that people are being educated that STD does not necessarily spread through sexual contact. If I am a carrier, then I'm the excellent specimen to prove that. vmad.gif
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to let her sore go off faster i recommend taking Valtrex a drug for herpes. btw there is an article i read before saying that , the gf have herpes HSV1 and then had oral with the bf and the bf gets herpes too which soon developed as sores at private parts and then transfer back to the gf when having sex.

ur situation would be similar

u have cold sore and u kiss ur gf and she gets it or u have cold sore and u lick her smile.gif
also high chance getting it

HSV 1 can appear on gential or mouth too smile.gif


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post Oct 28 2011, 10:33 AM

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The amino acid Lysine helps to control herpes.
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post Oct 28 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kyogezsho @ Oct 28 2011, 10:05 AM)
to let her sore go off faster i recommend taking Valtrex a drug for herpes. btw there is an article i read before saying that , the gf have herpes HSV1 and then had oral with the bf and the bf gets herpes too which soon developed as sores at private parts and then transfer back to the gf when having sex.

ur situation would be similar

u have cold sore and u kiss ur gf and she gets it or u have cold sore and u lick her smile.gif
also high chance getting it

HSV 1 can appear on gential or mouth too smile.gif
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Valtrex eh? I'll keep that in mind, though I prefer her not to take any medication that might not be related to what she's suffering from. For all we know, it could be HSV or something else. rclxub.gif

Touching on the article that you mentioned, I'm very glad that you actually got to read it. It's good to know that some publishers made an effort in bringing awareness on how the HSV can be spread. I was totally clueless about it prior to starting this thread & had to learn it the hard way by consulting the various forum members here.

QUOTE(tchtax @ Oct 28 2011, 10:33 AM)
The amino acid Lysine helps to control herpes.
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Noted with thanks! smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2011, 04:24 PM

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come on how come u can have oral and yet to have proper $ex...i cant brain this unless 1 of u is lying...
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QUOTE(Potatojii @ Oct 14 2010, 01:41 PM)
i was told that this virus can even spread when u use public toilet bowl. Not sure if this is correct.
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What The!!!!
please make sure this is not true
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QUOTE(spamfish @ Oct 28 2011, 04:24 PM)
come on how come u can have oral and yet to have proper $ex...i cant brain this unless 1 of u is lying...
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I'm not sure if you're trolling, especially with the kopitiam'ish phrases like $ex & brain. To give you the benefit of doubt, it was part of our plan to save the last base for our wedding night. We're each another's first partner & we just want the relationship to remain that way until we're totally ready to face possible scenarios such as unplanned pregnancy. Alas, HSV infection via oral was never in 1 of the scenarios we were prepared for. sad.gif

QUOTE(H4XF4XTOR @ Oct 28 2011, 05:39 PM)
What The!!!!
please make sure this is not true
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Technically it could happen, especially if there was contact between the ulcer's pus & the toilet seat. Just being honest here.

 

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