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TSneverendingsigh
post Apr 26 2009, 02:15 AM, updated 15y ago

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Guys, let's not start about dupe account / new member. I'm in need of serious, experienced advice here.

Both me and my girlfriend are still virgin. We have been together for 9 years so there is no question about our loyalty towards each another. The closest we ever got to the real deal is oral.

Just a few days ago, she discovered swellings at her private part down there. A few days later, it got worse & became a few spots of ulcer. She started to feel pain while passing urine & I brought her to a local gynecologist for checkup.

This was when the doctor revealed that she was infected with herpes. Imagine her shock for getting a STD without doing anything wrong. I was without a doubt shocked as well, but putting myself in her shoe, it's definitely nothing compared to what she's feeling.

We did a memory rewind of what occurred a week ago but could not come up with anything other than passing urine in a dirty toilet by a local beach. I was thinking that it could be that her urine splattered from the floor back to her skin on her private part but it sounded pretty silly.

I searched the Internet & found that there are 2 strains of herpes, HSV1 (cold sore & usually at mouth) & HSV2 (genital herpes). HSV1 can be easily picked up if you somehow shared the same eating utensils of a carrier so it was pretty common. The gynecologist just took a look & pronounced as having HSV2 but I was thinking that it could be HSV1 if it came from me.

Long story short, have any of you experienced this kind of scenario? She was crying herself to sleep & couldn't accept the fact that she got a STD out of nothing.
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post Apr 26 2009, 02:40 AM

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I have never kissed anyone else other than my own girlfriend. So to say that I have STD in the first place is also something that is hard to accept in my position. However, HSV1 is very much common & I was thinking that I might have been infected through some dirty eating utensils outside.


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post Apr 26 2009, 02:43 AM

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im not really sure but some people say u can get herpes just by sitting on dirty toilet seat..
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post Apr 26 2009, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 02:15 AM)
Guys, let's not start about dupe account / new member. I'm in need of serious, experienced advice here.

Both me and my girlfriend are still virgin. We have been together for 9 years so there is no question about our loyalty towards each another. The closest we ever got to the real deal is oral.

...I brought her to a local gynecologist for checkup.

...This was when the doctor revealed that she was infected with herpes.

...The gynecologist just took a look & pronounced as having HSV2 but I was thinking that it could be HSV1 if it came from me.
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During the gynecological check-up, were you present? did you ask the gynecologist if your gf is still a virgin? Don't get offended but...

I quote from our favorite medical series:

"Everybody lies." - House MD
"I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do." - House MD
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what." - House MD

Herpes simplex virus (HSV) indeed comes from two strains. If the gynecologist diagnosed it as HSV-2 (an STD virus), then you could ask for a laboratory confirmation (if it was not done by the gynecologist before).


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post Apr 26 2009, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(200 @ Apr 26 2009, 02:43 AM)
im not really sure but some people say u can get herpes just by sitting on dirty toilet seat..
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The doctor did say so but the chance is very slim. What you said was what triggered the idea that the dirty toilet floor by the beach could have splattered her urine back to her skin but I think the probability of that occurring is almost nil.

I am the type that will easily get mouth ulcer but I have always been under the impression that it was nothing more than a normal ulcer due to the bad weather. I have decided to get myself checked for both HSV1 & HSV2 antibody, just to be sure.

Before that, I think it's a good idea to ask LYN for similar experience or something near.


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:50 am
QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 26 2009, 02:45 AM)
During the gynecological check-up, were you present? did you ask the gynecologist if your gf is still a virgin? Don't get offended but...

I quote from our favorite medical series:

"Everybody lies." - House MD
"I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do." - House MD
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."  - House MD

Herpes simplex virus (HSV) indeed comes from two strains. If the gynecologist diagnosed it as HSV-2 (an STD virus), then you could ask for a laboratory confirmation (if it was not done by the gynecologist before).
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Thanks. My girlfriend & I do watch House MD so we understand what you meant.

I have 0 doubt about my girlfriend cheating on me. During the examination, I was asked to wait outside & the gynecologist asked my girlfriend to inform me of the bad news. I believe that she thought we're just another couple who played around but never admitted to doing so. There was no sampling done on the mucous as we're both too shocked to think of anything much.

My priority right now is to get her comfortable as she needs to work on Monday but her current condition is pretty bad as she's experiencing extreme pain that is killing her mood & sleeping order. sad.gif


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:54 amI think I need to get myself a Milo & sleep. My appetite is gone & I have yet to have dinner. I'll be catching back to this thread tomorrow morning. Until then, I'm pleading for more serious feedback.

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post Apr 26 2009, 02:55 AM

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probably u. u can get hsv1 from oral. in fact herpes type 1 is getting more prevalent in the genital area ( as hespes type 2 in oral area). u can get the herpes from anyone, from the day you were born, to any of the auntie/uncle that kiss u masa kecik. maybe u have a dirty girlfriend b4. blaming on toilet is the best way to feel innocent though


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:57 amif u re the kind a person who always get mouth ulcers during stress etc, then u are the cause.

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post Apr 26 2009, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(encikcam @ Apr 26 2009, 02:55 AM)
probably u. u can get hsv1 from oral. in fact herpes type 1 is getting more prevalent in the genital area ( as hespes type 2 in oral area). u can get the herpes from anyone, from the day you were born, to any of the auntie/uncle that kiss u masa kecik. maybe u have a dirty girlfriend b4. blaming on toilet is the best way to feel innocent though


Added on April 26, 2009, 2:57 amif u re the kind a person who always get mouth ulcers during stress etc, then u are the cause.
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She is my first girlfriend. Can I ask if what I assumed above (about getting HSV1 from sharing eating utensils with other people) is possible? Based on your deduction, I think the best way is to get myself checked for HSV1 & HSV2 antibodies then.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:17 AM

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utensils? i don't know. i'm not sure about the nature of these virus, coz i hate microbiology. u can wiki it. but herpes, especially type 1 is super common. if u check it, about 100% u may have it d (since your g/f have it.) pathlab sure;y like to charge people handsomely anyway. if i want to test myself. i may have it too. my bros and sis always get cold sore. probably it run in my family. its just some people gets the infection more serious than the others,.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 26 2009, 02:45 AM)
During the gynecological check-up, were you present? did you ask the gynecologist if your gf is still a virgin? Don't get offended but...

This sound reasonable... coz my EX is also a good girl in front of her bf... but behind of her bf , she went out and .....

STD is SEXUAL Transmitted Disease...... You will only infected when you have sex... it only transmitted wen have sex

This is why we called it STD...

Hope my understanding is wrong....


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post Apr 26 2009, 03:24 AM

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oh ye. how did the dr know its herpes? they did the test d? or is it just by looking at it? if the dr just look at it get a second opinion ler. if the serology goes to type 1 then probably its nothing. u can assume its not std. unless ur partner lying one
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:28 AM

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QUOTE(jovi69 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:18 AM)
This sound reasonable...  coz my EX is also a good girl in front of her bf... but behind of her bf , she went out and .....

STD is SEXUAL Transmitted Disease......  You will only infected when you have sex... it only transmitted wen have sex

This is why we called it STD...

Hope my understanding is wrong....
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HSV1 is very common. If you shared the same water bottle with a friend that has HSV2 infection in his mouth & passed it to you, will you still think the same? doh.gif

Again I need to reiterate, MY GIRLFRIEND BEING UNFAITHFUL IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE PICTURE.

I am not exaggerating but guys, I know her must more than I know myself so please do understand my predicament.

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post Apr 26 2009, 03:30 AM

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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 03:28 AM)
HSV1 is very common. If you shared the same water bottle with a friend that has HSV2 infection in his mouth & passed it to you, will you still think the same? doh.gif
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Ever saw House MD? Everybody lies. It happens. Not saying your girl's a skank, don't take it the wrong way but not everyone's honest with their past.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:36 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:30 AM)
Ever saw House MD? Everybody lies. It happens. Not saying your girl's a skank, don't take it the wrong way but not everyone's honest with their past.
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darklight79, thanks for dropping by. I've always respected you for the useful advices you passed on in Health & Fitness section of LYN... but let us remove the scenario of my girlfriend being unfaithful shall we?

I see it bringing us no where if everyone that comes in said the same thing about some 2 lines from House MD. I am really looking for some answer or anyone with similar scenario as mine.
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 03:28 AM)
HSV1 is very common. If you shared the same water bottle with a friend that has HSV2 infection in his mouth & passed it to you, will you still think the same? doh.gif

Again I need to reiterate, MY GIRLFRIEND BEING UNFAITHFUL IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE PICTURE.

I am not exaggerating but guys, I know her must more than I know myself so please do understand my predicament.
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Very well,

Did you have any kind ulcers in your mouth before? I have a hypothesis:

-You were accidentally infected by a strain of HSV (undetermined yet) via saliva or secretions left by somebody else (eg; via sharing of towels, cups, bottles, etc).

-You became ill with infectious ulcers in your mouth (fingers can also be infected). Perhaps you figured, its nothing to worry about.

-You performed oral sex on your partner causing her to become infected (in this case you did mentioned that the ulcers are present in her genital area).

-After a period of incubation, the symptoms and signs appeared causing her to seek medical treatment.

Do you think the above might have happened? In any case, the doctor that is treating her should have complete history of the disease from both of you.

Herpes on the finger: http://www.visualdxhealth.com/adult/herpeticWhitlow.htm

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abit off topic.. if a individual has herpes n d partner dont, does that mean both have to get herpes when they want a baby? because like aids, thats the only way. and sex is d only way to make babies unless u guys talk about other methods.
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 25 2009, 09:13 PM)
abit off topic.. if a individual has herpes n d partner dont, does that mean both have to get herpes when they want a baby? because like aids, thats the only way. and sex is d only way to make babies unless u guys talk about other methods.
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herpes is for life. any of them, be it simplex, zoster, cmv, ebv n others. but its relatively benign unless you get aids. hehe


Added on April 26, 2009, 4:22 amanyway i must say house exaggerates everything. diseases doesn't have to be that dramatic. don't worry too much bout the herpes.

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post Apr 26 2009, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 26 2009, 03:41 AM)
Very well,

Did you have any kind ulcers in your mouth before? I have a hypothesis:

-You were accidentally infected by a strain of HSV (undetermined yet) via saliva or secretions left by somebody else (eg; via sharing of towels, cups, bottles, etc).

-You became ill with infectious ulcers in your mouth (fingers can also be infected). Perhaps you figured, its nothing to worry about.

-You performed oral sex on your partner causing her to become infected (in this case you did mentioned that the ulcers are present in her genital area).

-After a period of incubation, the symptoms and signs appeared causing her to seek medical treatment.

Do you think the above might have happened? In any case, the doctor that is treating her should have complete history of the disease from both of you.

Herpes on the finger: http://www.visualdxhealth.com/adult/herpeticWhitlow.htm
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Yes, your description fits the scenario perfectly. We never knew that there is a risk at all since both of us are not players & virgins.
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neverendingsigh : I'm so sorry to hear about the situation with your girlfriend. I see that you are standing very steadfast with your girlfriend. Kudos to you.

It sounds like your GF is finding it hard to come to grips with the situation but if she can't, it will be very hard for her and you to move forward. It may take a long time to come to terms with it so having love and care around her will help her out. It may help too if she can get some emotional support from some of her close friends as well, as it's very hard to deal with. If it's too difficult for her to tell her friends, she can try seeking help and comfort in herpes support forums online and remain anonymously. An example is here : http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/messageforum/ . I just got that off Google and it seem like they have covered quite a lot of questions there including pregnancy etc.

It may also be a good idea not to look for reason of WHY it happened as it will make her uncomfortable and make you stress as well. Both of you can't change past history but you can get ready for the present and future, by finding out how to control the pain and irritation and being strong mentally for it. Try very hard not to talk about it with her on how it happened or why it has happened : both of you will get more distress or worst, lose trust in one another. Having Genital Herpes can cause a lot of strain in a relationship and is a strong test of trust between couples.

Also, don't put too much faith in this H&F forum. There are many people who don't understand the emotional distress from having a serious disease and illness that they may make a lot of insensitive comments and just fuel anger.

You might also want to go for a check-up yourself, if you haven't already done so.

There are alternative and natural remedies that people are now using to control the pain and formation of the lesions. Goto the link that I posted up to see some suggestions. Each person will respond differently to different treatments.

I hope that the both of you can get through this phase together.
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post Apr 26 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 26 2009, 10:11 AM)
neverendingsigh : I'm so sorry to hear about the situation with your girlfriend. I see that you are standing very steadfast with your girlfriend. Kudos to you.

It sounds like your GF is finding it hard to come to grips with the situation but if she can't, it will be very hard for her and you to move forward. It may take a long time to come to terms with it so having love and care around her will help her out. It may help too if she can get some emotional support from some of her close friends as well, as it's very hard to deal with. If it's too difficult for her to tell her friends, she can try seeking help and comfort in herpes support forums online and remain anonymously. An example is here : http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/messageforum/ . I just got that off Google and it seem like they have covered quite a lot of questions there including pregnancy etc.

It may also be a good idea not to look for reason of WHY it happened as it will make her uncomfortable and make you stress as well. Both of you can't change past history but you can get ready for the present and future, by finding out how to control the pain and irritation and being strong mentally for it. Try very hard not to talk about it with her on how it happened or why it has happened : both of you will get more distress or worst, lose trust in one another. Having Genital Herpes can cause a lot of strain in a relationship and is a strong test of trust between couples.

Also, don't put too much faith in this H&F forum. There are many people who don't understand the emotional distress from having a serious disease and illness that they may make a lot of insensitive comments and just fuel anger.

You might also want to go for a check-up yourself, if you haven't already done so.

There are alternative and natural remedies that people are now using to control the pain and formation of the lesions. Goto the link that I posted up to see some suggestions. Each person will respond differently to different treatments.

I hope that the both of you can get through this phase together.
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Thanks for the lengthy advice. I guess it was a nature of human to find out the cause when something unexpectedly happened out of the blue. I have yet to have any symptom down there except some normal ulcers on my inner mouth lips.

Both of us prefer to keep it between ourselves but she do warn her sister not to share pants (the one they wore at home) with her in the future. As her family was the type that is quite old-fashioned, I guess there's no point in telling them A-Z about what happened. Nevertheless, thank you very much for the effort you poured into writing the post. I've been in LYN for years so taking jabs & hits for a sensitive question is all a norm for me now.
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QUOTE(neverendingsigh @ Apr 26 2009, 10:32 AM)
Thanks for the lengthy advice. I guess it was a nature of human to find out the cause when something unexpectedly happened out of the blue. I have yet to have any symptom down there except some normal ulcers on my inner mouth lips.

Both of us prefer to keep it between ourselves but she do warn her sister not to share pants (the one they wore at home) with her in the future. As her family was the type that is quite old-fashioned, I guess there's no point in telling them A-Z about what happened. Nevertheless, thank you very much for the effort you poured into writing the post. I've been in LYN for years so taking jabs & hits for a sensitive question is all a norm for me now.
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Best thing to do now is to do a checkup on the ulcers in your mouth. Ask the GP about HSV1 and request to be checked for that. As mentioned by another forumner, herpes can't be removed permanently. Your gf will go through a very rough emotional rollercoaster now. Be strong for her sake.

Below are some info :
Getting herpes from oral sex
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and here's some info on how to cope with herpes :

For many people, receiving a diagnosis of HSV can be devastating, as it is a life-long ailment with no cure. While it does mean that you will have to be extra cautious, especially when involved in intimate relationships, HSV does not have to rule your life. There are many ways to make the symptoms more comfortable and reduce outbreaks to an absolute minimum.

- Use an ice pack to help alleviate pain and swelling, and take a hot bath (with a pinch of baking soda) to help reduce itching.
- Keep the affected area dry and clean.
- Avoid sexual intimacy until blisters have completely healed, and when the virus is dormant, always use a condom to reduce the chance of your partner contracting the virus.
- Apply tea tree oil directly onto the sores several times a day.
- Avoid touching, rubbing or scratching the sores and wash your hands immediately after contact with them to prevent the infection spreading to other areas or other people.
- Boost the immune system with daily exercise, sufficient sleep and a healthy balanced diet.
- Reduce stress levels and take care of your emotional well-being. Consider counseling or stress management if you struggle to do this alone.
- Increase vitamin C intake during outbreaks.
- Consider taking supplements of the amino acid L-lysine, zinc, and garlic.
- Make note of the 'trigger' foods that sometimes lead to outbreaks. Avoid spicy and acidic foods as well as foods high in salt when you have an outbreak.
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