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post Apr 8 2009, 08:29 AM, updated 17y ago

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Built to the highest professional standards, the true three-way, balanced armature UM3X delivers incredibly smooth response across the entire frequency  range. Using the same technology as our custom ES3X, the UM3X is the earpiece of choice for performers  desiring high-end Westone sound quality in a universal-fit package. The comfortable Comply™ foam tips form  to the ear for extended use without fatigue and provide up to 25 dB ambient noise reduction.  The UM3X is the ultimate universal-fit musicians’ monitor, perfect for the on-stage performer. Available only in black/clear.

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UM3X Specifications:
Sensitivity: 124 dB SPL
Frequency response: 20 Hz -18 kHz
Impedance: 56 ohms  Driver: three balanced armature drivers with a passive three-way crossover.
Features: Soft padded pouch, replaceable Comply  foam tips, and wax loop for cleaning.

Release date: 30th April 2009
SRP: USD379


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These 3 links enough to kill....

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WTF!!!

ok im selling my W3...walabies!!! sales update mana?
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post Apr 8 2009, 08:35 AM

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I nearly bought W3 last week. Luckily i go with ATH-CK100 instead...

I suspect i'm gonna have the same fit issue if i get UM3X.

Nevertheless, Westone still awe me with their new products. What's next? Home DIY kit for ES3X? LOL
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lol...not sure...but i checked the diff...it seems the drivers have some extra addition...

time to sell my w3? whistling.gif

anyways...it was expected that they have hidden something under their sleeve, those westone freaks...after 2 years of preparation on the W3...they must have expected tough rivalry coming up after the release of the W3...bet this is a counter for the IE8


Added on April 8, 2009, 8:40 amthe good news...price:around rm1,368

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post Apr 8 2009, 08:41 AM

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UM3X is announced just less than 4 months after W3 released. That's fast hahaha

It's the same triple driver, three way crossover setup. Only the sensitivity and freq response changed. Finally a higher impedance top of the line IEM. Sound is reported similar to ES3X, just in universal-fit package. Nice !
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 8 2009, 08:41 AM)
UM3X is announced just less than 4 months after W3 released. That's fast hahaha

It's the same triple driver, three way crossover setup. Only the sensitivity and freq response changed. Finally a higher impedance top of the line IEM. Sound is reported similar to ES3X, just in universal-fit package. Nice !
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bugger...they owe me an apology laugh.gif

i heard from ppl that tested out the custom ES3X that it is better than the IE8, now they make it in universal? win! rclxm9.gif

too bad its only released on april+++
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post Apr 8 2009, 08:51 AM

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Custom ES3X against IE8? Of course it wont stand a chance lol. Maybe custom fitted IE8 will hold on its own.

First page update. It look like UM3X appreciation thread. Damn... I need to keep my CK100. It's not even arrived yet but i already think of selling it laugh.gif
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cheh...wait for its release to pawn the IE8

in Westone i believe in laugh.gif dude...so fast meh?try it out 1st...review it...then by the time review finish ppl already reviewed the UM3X
then only talk bout selling and buying la...you change alot of IEM this year already ler...
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:04 AM

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Hahahaha. Patient. I hope i can hold my urge. CK100 probably wont fail me based on multiple reviews.

IEM acquisition history since Sept '08:
SA6 - 1+ week (broken)
UM2 - 1 month
TF10P - 3 months
IE8 - 2 months
CK100 - ?

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i doubt gonna last more than 3 mths...sleep.gif

ur resistance to poison is low laugh.gif

not to mention u missed out W3... whistling.gif
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:15 AM

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mr toughnut... buy W3 1st lah.... then a month later sell the W3 and buylah UM3x plak!

hohoho.... life sooo unfair...
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:37 AM

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W3? Not interested tongue.gif

Life is always unfair. U got iphone 3G, macbook and PS3... Sold one of them hahaha

I just calculated the cost to own CK100 from buy/sell of UM2/triple.fi/IE8. I end up spending RM2K to reach CK100 laugh.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 8 2009, 09:37 AM)
W3? Not interested tongue.gif

Life is always unfair. U got iphone 3G, macbook and PS3... Sold one of them hahaha

I just calculated the cost to own CK100 from buy/sell of UM2/triple.fi/IE8. I end up spending RM2K to reach CK100 laugh.gif
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wah...both of you spend money like drinking water...lagi mau complain sleep.gif

if not necessary then dont upgrade lol,recession laugh.gif
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:56 AM

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need to upgrade... cure the upgratis poison....
hohohoho.....

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post Apr 8 2009, 09:58 AM

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f**k is all i can say!!!!

i juz got the w3 last 2 weeks...and now...
a universal ES3X!

F**k again!
hahahaha...

walabies...update me please!
i m sure it'll sound better than the w3...

icy...
i m behind u...let's get this! biggrin.gif
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:59 AM

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OMG , Need to try on it edi !
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 09:58 AM)
f**k is all i can say!!!!

i juz got the w3 last 2 weeks...and now...
a universal ES3X!

F**k again!
hahahaha...

walabies...update me please!
i m sure it'll sound better than the w3...

icy...
i m behind u...let's get this! biggrin.gif
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LOL!!!
i forgot...paling kesian is you la laugh.gif
aiyah...enjoy ur W3 1st...while enjoying wait for the rest to audition the UM3X and wait for reviews before jumping ship... wink.gif
if not later you sell it off...and the results are almost the same...rugi man...
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post Apr 8 2009, 10:10 AM

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i know...
i cant plunge in yet...
but i m waiitng for westone to reply my email...and saying...
"Yes, u can send in ur ear impression. And we'll deliver the ES3X to u in 2 weeks"
hahahah... brows.gif
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post Apr 8 2009, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 10:10 AM)
i know...
i cant plunge in yet...
but i m waiitng for westone to reply my email...and saying...
"Yes, u can send in ur ear impression. And we'll deliver the ES3X to u in 2 weeks"
hahahah... brows.gif
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LoL shocking.gif

so fast doing ES3X ah !
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post Apr 8 2009, 10:12 AM

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waaaa another upgrade for u W3 fanboyz. niceeeee

ps:PM me if anyone wans to blowout their W3, IE8 or woteva for cheeeep cheeeep! i'd rather be a cheeeep ******* rather than a trendsetter LOL
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 10:10 AM)
i know...
i cant plunge in yet...
but i m waiitng for westone to reply my email...and saying...
"Yes, u can send in ur ear impression. And we'll deliver the ES3X to u in 2 weeks"
hahahah... brows.gif
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Haha boss, sell ur UM2 and 3, get the UM3X tongue.gif

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i wanna sell my UM2...
but i dunno how much i can sell it for..
hahahah...
any idea?
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 10:15 AM)
i wanna sell my UM2...
but i dunno how much i can sell it for..
hahahah...
any idea?
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Er, cheap cheap sell to me. 400? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(scottiebabie @ Apr 8 2009, 10:12 AM)
waaaa another upgrade for u W3 fanboyz. niceeeee

ps:PM me if anyone wans to blowout their W3, IE8 or woteva for cheeeep cheeeep! i'd rather be a cheeeep ******* rather than a trendsetter LOL
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wakakak...deja vu of the W3 hype..wait on buddy boy!!! walabies haven announce anything yet bout bringing it in...not to mention Jaben is quiet too...lol
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post Apr 8 2009, 10:18 AM

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UM2 can fetch anything from rm650 to rm800+. It's up to u.

xandman, u prepared for ES3X?

I changed my mind after this announced... i also thought of ES3X.. where's my wallet?...
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westone just post the info isit or few days ago edi ?

Oh Sh*t , my hand damn gatal now doh.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 8 2009, 10:18 AM)
UM2 can fetch anything from rm650 to rm800+. It's up to u.

xandman, u prepared for ES3X?

I changed my mind after this announced... i also thought of ES3X.. where's my wallet?...
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im not so into customs...for example...like you every 3 mths change once whistling.gif resell got issue weh
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Apr 8 2009, 10:16 AM)
Er, cheap cheap sell to me. 400?  laugh.gif
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bro see below... brows.gif
so 400 is out of range d... tongue.gif
hahahaha..

QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 8 2009, 10:18 AM)
UM2 can fetch anything from rm650 to rm800+. It's up to u.

xandman, u prepared for ES3X?

I changed my mind after this announced... i also thought of ES3X.. where's my wallet?...
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if i upgrade...might as well upgrade to customs yes?
hahahaha...

of coz its using same tech and all...
but i m sure it cant match the customs head on...
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i am sold, wanna get es3x actually but price is too steep make me think many times.
Now universal version is out, solve all my headache!
worse case UM3x+UM56= ES3x (poorman version) - it is ok SQ is about 80% of Es3x.

I wish UE will launching UE11Pro universal version, that is my ultimate goal! pray hard for that!


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loads of ppl been poison already lol!!!
the poison is really powerful d....!
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Es3x poison is due to Head Fi larry!!! damn him!!!
so now affordable version...poison is 10X stronger!
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okay time for me to detox
do note that it is still a portable rig item... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 8 2009, 11:37 AM)
okay time for me to detox
do note that it is still a portable rig item... whistling.gif
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wait for the real review in head fi icyhawkes...
later dont let me see u selling ur W3 bro! whistling.gif

Anyone anywhere UM56 can be mod to use in both Westone/IE8 iems? cool.gif

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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Apr 8 2009, 10:44 AM)
wait for the real review in head fi icyhawkes...
later dont let me see u selling ur W3 bro!  whistling.gif

Anyone anywhere UM56 can be mod to use in both Westone/IE8 iems? cool.gif
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ahaha...i might upgrade la...since it is from Westone...they never let me down before

i dont think so it can be mod for IE8 usage...
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this is so tempting. anyone wanna let go their UM2? brows.gif
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QUOTE(Dybre @ Apr 8 2009, 10:57 AM)
this is so tempting. anyone wanna let go their UM2?  brows.gif
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xandman whistling.gif
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ES3X and UM3X have the same sensitivity, impedance, frequency response...just the body different, 1 is custom another is universal...
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QUOTE(Dybre @ Apr 8 2009, 10:57 AM)
this is so tempting. anyone wanna let go their UM2?  brows.gif
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like icy said...
hahahaha...

QUOTE(chuanchuan90 @ Apr 8 2009, 12:09 PM)
ES3X and UM3X have the same sensitivity, impedance, frequency response...just the body different, 1 is custom another is universal...
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but but but...
custom shells FTW!!!
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 10:25 AM)
bro see below... brows.gif
so 400 is out of range d... tongue.gif
hahahaha..
if i upgrade...might as well upgrade to customs yes?
hahahaha...

of coz its using same tech and all...
but i m sure it cant match the customs head on...
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Aww too bad then tongue.gif
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BTW, UN3X is for pro and musicians, and most of them listening to FLAT and NEUTRAL sound smile.gif which is alos sounds like PFEs too smile.gif.... Ok, nice, might be my next IEMs..... but still have to wait for Heapdhoneaddicts/Larry reviews/recommendations first.
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QUOTE(bahathir @ Apr 8 2009, 02:37 PM)
BTW, UN3X is for pro and musicians, and most of them listening to FLAT and NEUTRAL sound smile.gif which is alos sounds like PFEs too smile.gif.... Ok, nice, might be my next IEMs..... but still have to wait for Heapdhoneaddicts/Larry reviews/recommendations first.
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plz post the links to their review if there is... notworthy.gif
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Definitely smile.gif
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HPA's reviews are very very poisonous.
I read his ES3X review...and immediately wanted one!

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post Apr 8 2009, 04:57 PM

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He always hyped Westone products... Check out where he live. Colorado.

I personally dont trust much of his reviews....
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post Apr 8 2009, 05:13 PM

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what to do now is hope the date of release come faster !


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will be letting go my w3 @ 1.3k,anyone interested can pm me
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so fast let ur W3 go?? later UM3X delay like wat W3 happen last time biggrin.gif
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wahahahahhaa...icy oledi kena tahan the poison selling W3!!! that is the spirit man!
i wonder if i can change the UM3x shell into customize shell as here selling replacement shell for rm300 nia! very good price.


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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 8 2009, 05:57 PM)
He always hyped Westone products... Check out where he live. Colorado.

I personally dont trust much of his reviews....
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Yup agree, he always kuat pro Westone product..(maybe he always get freebies or free iem from them) sweat.gif


Added on April 8, 2009, 6:29 pmheadfi UM3X already has Appreciation thread but the product is not even available yet...this is way crazy hype going on ...now thread has 7pages already...
next thing u can see many ppl selling W3 ....

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hmm.. i think i'll stick with ie8 instead.. (rofl, just got this afternoon doh.gif) but yeah, it really is hyped out to the max.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 8 2009, 05:29 PM)
will be letting go my w3 @ 1.3k,anyone interested can pm me
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i wanna follow him too!

UM2 for sale.
W3 for sale.

Offer me in PM!

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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 08:58 PM)
i wanna follow him too!

UM2 for sale.
W3 for sale.

Offer me in PM!
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Boss, ur W3 is less than 1 month isn't it sweat.gif Audiophile world is really scary shocking.gif

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yes it is.
2 weeks old only.
burn in oso not fully completed yet.
hahahaha...
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:49 PM

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LOL. Guys, still have 22 days before available hahaha
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toughnut , u r too bad !

so fast post out this poison post !
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westone products always create a hype...recalled when w3's time...

any ie8 user switching to um3x? sell me ur ie8 cheap cheap brows.gif
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hahahaha...
actually i m leaning more towards ES3X...
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this is not good!
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I think custom IEMs, ES3X would be nicer than universal IEMs. We still don't know how it's sound's like. Maybe better or maybe worse than W3s, who knows. I thnik the price is quite tempting, cheaper than W3s and IE8s. We will see next month smile.gif

Err.. how much it cost at jaben ? smile.gif
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379 US DOLLARS..what the xxxx... is it really really good?
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For me IE8 is a keeper, ES3X is tempting but price is an issue
so UM3X is much more tempting & affordable!
only selling point UM3X is close with ES3X ..i hope Westone is right bout this...
80% discount on the SQ compare with ES3X but 50% of the price, by math UM3X is worth it...
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Yes, I know it is 379 USD, but, Jaben is a Westone distributor in singapore. Do they 'makap' much? smile.gif
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QUOTE(p0wderh0und23 @ Apr 9 2009, 12:21 AM)
W3 - Personal Listening (has all the tips and adapters that folks wanted). Sound is built to be more dynamic on compressed music (AKA recorded.. we're not starting that argument, so shhh)

UM3X - Stage Monitor (no bells as whistles, same case and accessories as the UM2). Sound is built to be more dynamic though a monitor system (yes there are BIG differences). We're only marketing it in the pro audio arena, that's not to say you will not be able to get your hands on it.

ES3X - This was a wicked beast to build really. We wanted to have a driver package that complimented both personal and pro audio applications. This was the outcome. Our Senior Designer did good!

Yes we are splitting up the markets. The UM Series will be marketed to Pro Audio stores and the Westone 3 (and maybe others) will be marketed to Consumer/Personal Listening stores. There are differences in them and as we move forward those differences will become more apparent. As for the ES's, the ES1, ES2, ES3 will continue to be sold as is, more towards pro audio, but of course anyone can get them. The ES3X is the only one we are TRULY doing in both. Doesn't make sense not to.
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Finally powder showed up and cleared our confusions icon_rolleyes.gif
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So, as I mentioned earlier, sound more towards ER-4 or PFEs ... Yesss!!! smile.gif

Err.. wait ...

This is my question
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Ok, UM3X is for professional audio. Then the sound should be flat, no or less colorization, analytic, crisp and crystal clear ? So, is it more toward ER-4 sound + bass?



And here is the answer from westone.
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Not totally true. That is more studio monitoring, from my experience. Artists on stage want a full, dynamic sound. Not analytical.


http://www.head-fi.org/forums/5591576-post140.html

Pass ... Back to my PFEs smile.gif

Thank you.

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No, it's not. "Sound is built to be more dynamic though a monitor system" meant it benefit from amping. Doesnt mentioned anything related to sound signature. It's best not to speculate..
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I digested,
UM3X sound signature like transparent & neutral with additional bass? hahaha

I wish it is sound similar like K701 with more bass impact then that is perfect.
sometimes too much bass sunken the high & mid thus sacrifice clarity.
Anyway IE8 is a keeper for me & UM3X is tempting as it is good to have another iems which sound signature is very diff from IE8, I can swift around for different songs or mood.
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 8 2009, 08:58 PM)
i wanna follow him too!

UM2 for sale.
W3 for sale.

Offer me in PM!
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er...hold your horses dude... sweat.gif
dun sell yet...let ppl book it 1st...put a [MWTS] tag (might want to sell)

so that juz in case its delayed or it isint as good as it seems you still have it to listen too
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 9 2009, 08:35 AM)
er...hold your horses dude... sweat.gif
dun sell yet...let ppl book it 1st...put a [MWTS] tag (might want to sell)

so that juz in case its delayed or it isint as good as it seems you still have it to listen too
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Nowadays you can't put one a sale thread with "MWTS" ady. They'll delete ur thread without prior notice. It's either you sell it or you keep it<< what the mod says xD They don't allow market testing now tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Apr 9 2009, 08:46 AM)
Nowadays you can't put one a sale thread with "MWTS" ady. They'll delete ur thread without prior notice. It's either you sell it or you keep it<< what the mod says xD They don't allow market testing now  tongue.gif
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LOL really? hmm.gif i didnt know... laugh.gif
but anyways...do it personally then...i let ppl book my UM2 last time...when i wanna sell it then i will tell them...i dont think we need a thread to do that laugh.gif
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xandman bro....

hang on to ur W3 1st dude.... u can sell the UM2 but hold the W3 1st... i dont think its a loss if u have W3 and didnt upgrade to UM3X....


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If i have W3, i wont bother with UM3X first. It's still untested product and worst, not even in the market yet. 50% it will be better than W3 or 50% might be worst.

For current owners of W3, hold your W3. For potential highend IEM buyer, hold your wallet.

I'm still waiting for powder writeup on W3 and UM3X differences. Btw, UM3X physical design totally the same as UM2, which meant smaller and sleeker size.
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 9 2009, 08:35 AM)
er...hold your horses dude... sweat.gif
dun sell yet...let ppl book it 1st...put a [MWTS] tag (might want to sell)

so that juz in case its delayed or it isint as good as it seems you still have it to listen too
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did i say i wanted a UM3X...
oooo what i meant was ES3X... brows.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 9 2009, 08:57 AM)
If i have W3, i wont bother with UM3X first. It's still untested product and worst, not even in the market yet. 50% it will be better than W3 or 50% might be worst.

For current owners of W3, hold your W3. For potential highend IEM buyer, hold your wallet.

I'm still waiting for powder writeup on W3 and UM3X differences. Btw, UM3X physical design totally the same as UM2, which meant smaller and sleeker size.
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yeah i noticed...
i think they take the feedbacks bout the W3 seriously...coz there were many complaints on the tips slot...W3 unlike the UM2 the tips slot were short...unlike UM2 which extends into the ear canal...hence reduces the seal...

lol xandman...i havent go customs u wanna go already? laugh.gif

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westone is bad.
They replied my email.
They said they could do it. cry.gif icon_question.gif

Also juz called Gleneagles Audiology Center. brows.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 9 2009, 09:14 AM)
westone is bad.
They replied my email.
They said they could do it. cry.gif icon_question.gif

Also juz called Gleneagles Audiology Center. brows.gif
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wah...so fast...lol...
man...i gotta stay away from you...but trust me la...if you are really getting the ES3X...stay with it la...and btw...you cant resell it anyways...coz it was customize for your ear,like it or not...you will be stuck with it laugh.gif
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Not to mention countless refitting if it doesnt fit properly and estimated 4 years shelf life tongue.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 9 2009, 09:23 AM)
Not to mention countless refitting if it doesnt fit properly and estimated 4 years shelf life tongue.gif
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yeah...thats why im sticking to universal...i hate the part where you gotta make an ear impression for it...not free to do those stuff la...zzz...
get universal at least when a new or better IEM comes out then i can sell and get the latest one whistling.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 9 2009, 10:23 AM)
Not to mention countless refitting if it doesnt fit properly and estimated 4 years shelf life tongue.gif
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changing new customize shell is like rm300+ only...dont worry about after 4yrs...haha pour more poison
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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Apr 9 2009, 09:36 AM)
changing new customize shell is like rm300+ only...dont worry about after 4yrs...haha pour more poison
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what if a 5 driver IEM comes out after 2 years?still wanna stick to a triple driver IEM? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 9 2009, 09:14 AM)
westone is bad.
They replied my email.
They said they could do it. cry.gif icon_question.gif

Also juz called Gleneagles Audiology Center. brows.gif
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oh man doh.gif

I wish i could do it right now too cry.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 9 2009, 09:57 AM)
If i have W3, i wont bother with UM3X first. It's still untested product and worst, not even in the market yet. 50% it will be better than W3 or 50% might be worst.

For current owners of W3, hold your W3. For potential highend IEM buyer, hold your wallet.

I'm still waiting for powder writeup on W3 and UM3X differences. Btw, UM3X physical design totally the same as UM2, which meant smaller and sleeker size.
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again i am eagerly waiting for IE8 vs W3 vs Es3X vs UM3X showdown. this will most interesting moment...

i kinda of confuse ES3x is combo of monitor+personal listening...or just another marketing strategies.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 9 2009, 09:38 AM)
what if a 5 driver IEM comes out after 2 years?still wanna stick to a triple driver IEM? whistling.gif
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if not wrong japan or china got 5 driver Custom IEM edi , just dun know what brand for the custom only .


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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Apr 9 2009, 09:39 AM)
again i am eagerly waiting for IE8 vs W3 vs Es3X vs UM3X showdown. this will most interesting moment...

i kinda of confuse ES3x is combo of monitor+personal listening...or just another marketing strategies.. laugh.gif
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should be only IE8 vs W3 vs UM3X !

Dun bring ES3X in , quite no fair for it tongue.gif

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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:39 AM)
if not wrong japan or china got 5 driver Custom IEM edi , just dun know what brand for the custom only .


Added on April 9, 2009, 9:41 am

should be only IE8 vs W3 vs UM3X !

Dun bring ES3X in , quite no fair for it  tongue.gif
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yeah...but the japan one isint commercialized yet...so it isint considered officially a 5 driver IEM...no news of it either...it was on a blog
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Apr 9 2009, 09:43 AM)
yeah...but the japan one isint commercialized yet...so it isint considered officially a 5 driver IEM...no news of it either...it was on a blog
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haha , i think wait for few month , later china will doing their own 5 driver custom too laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ Apr 9 2009, 10:44 AM)
haha , i think wait for few month , later china will doing their own 5 driver custom too  laugh.gif
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FIVE DRIVERS??!!!
even 3 is enuff to melt the brain!!!
imagine what 5 can do! drool.gif

but this ES3X keeps calling me!
damn!!!!
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ Apr 9 2009, 10:39 AM)
if not wrong japan or china got 5 driver Custom IEM edi , just dun know what brand for the custom only .


Added on April 9, 2009, 9:41 am

should be only IE8 vs W3 vs UM3X !

Dun bring ES3X in , quite no fair for it  tongue.gif
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ES3X VS UM3X...as I want to know how far the customize shell & tuning make ES3X worth twice the bucks!

FYI it is the Jap custom IEM has the 5drivers...but brand I also forgot laugh.gif


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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 9 2009, 12:09 PM)
FIVE DRIVERS??!!!
even 3 is enuff to melt the brain!!!
imagine what 5 can do! drool.gif

but this ES3X keeps calling me!
damn!!!!
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dun answer the ES3X call, go for UE11Pro...4drivers man! that is more attractive. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Apr 9 2009, 01:02 PM)
ES3X VS UM3X...as I want to know how far the customize shell & tuning make ES3X worth twice the bucks!

FYI it is the Jap custom IEM has the 5drivers...but brand I also forgot  laugh.gif


Added on April 9, 2009, 1:04 pm

dun answer the ES3X call, go for UE11Pro...4drivers man! that is more attractive.  thumbup.gif
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spending more than 3k on an IEM isint something that i would call attractive...but if you have that kinda cash for such luxury then go ahead LOL laugh.gif
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hahahaha...
now i wonder...
which call should i heed...
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spending more than 3k on an IEM isint something that i would call attractive...but if you have that kinda cash for such luxury then go ahead LOL laugh.gif
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it is not attarctive...
i know...
thats y i m still thinking long and hard...
whether to get the es3x or wait for maybe es5x
hahahaha...

after all the w3 sounds awesome except for the uncontrollable sibilance...

any cure for the sibilance issue?

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simple hit the ES3X button then retire for the rest of the forum. then u are a happy man.
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hahahahha...
i know the decision is so ez...
but suddenly the ue11 comes into the mix...
hahahaha...
although i dun quite fancy UE since ive never heard any iems from UE...
but the 4 drivers thing is getting to me slowly...

weird...
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 9 2009, 01:36 PM)
hahahahha...
i know the decision is so ez...
but suddenly the ue11 comes into the mix...
hahahaha...
although i dun quite fancy UE since ive never heard any iems from UE...
but the 4 drivers thing is getting to me slowly...

weird...
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you must be new in the audiophile world...after few mths here...i already manage to control my senseless urge to upgrade to UE11...
trust me...one day you will tell urself that..."why the hell should i spend THAT much on a fukken IEM?!"
yeah...thats what happen to me...thats why my expenditure on these stuff will never exceed 2k. its a limit set by myself...
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anyways.... custom only last for a couple of years and.... u cant sell it.... (rm4k wasted!!!)
universal IEM however... the opposite....

in terms of comfy... yeah.... custom all the way... but in financial... universal is the best....

ngeee....
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i m new in audiophile...
but not really new on buying stuff....
hahahaha...
since i dun have anymore things to buy...
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but to tell u the truth..
ive been asking myself the same question too...
"why the hell m i paying so much a the little thingies in my ears?"

same kinda questions have been asked when i bought my camera gears...
"why do i need a 20k kit when i m not even earning 1 sen from it?"

hahahha...
i guess u manage to cool down my iitchiness...for a while...
if only more ppl like u...instead of poisoning ppl... rclxms.gif
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That why, relax and do not rushing... Patience is a good cure for brain poisoning. and also , can helps you avoid the unseen problem. smile.gif

Agree, why do we have to spent thousands of RM, just to fulfill our desire? A RM 50 ticket to a good concert is more meaningful from RM 5000 audio cables. Think wisely....

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Apr 9 2009, 04:00 PM)
A RM 50 ticket to a good concert is more meaningful from RM 5000 audio cables. Think wisely....
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Apr 9 2009, 02:31 PM)
anyways.... custom only last for a couple of years and.... u cant sell it.... (rm4k wasted!!!)
universal IEM however... the opposite....

in terms of comfy... yeah.... custom all the way... but in financial... universal is the best....

ngeee....
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Actually imho, custom not really comfortable. Like UM2, there just too many contact surface between ears and IEM. with custom, u expect full contact. And yeah, sticking RM4K into ears doesnt make sense tongue.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 9 2009, 07:12 PM)
Actually imho, custom not really comfortable. Like UM2, there just too many contact surface between ears and IEM. with custom, u expect full contact. And yeah, sticking RM4K into ears doesnt make sense tongue.gif
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customs arent comfy??!!! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 9 2009, 08:28 PM)
customs arent comfy??!!!  sweat.gif
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yeah...if im not mistaken...some might not get used to it...have to apply liquid to make it more easy to wear...before you buy it...i recommend you to get the UM56 to feel the feeling of wearing a customs...instead of spending so much and regret later
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where to get the um56?
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if i get UM3X i am sure getting UM56 customize tips...tongue.gif

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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 9 2009, 09:14 PM)
where to get the um56?
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you do an ear impression...send em to westone...same process as making the custom IEMs
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owh thx icy...
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Added on April 9, 2009, 10:30 pmok...
i m officially f88ked!

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Post # 101 tongue.gif ...
Ok guys deviating off-topic here...I'm moving on from single-driver(SE102 n SHE9850) IEMs to dual-driver IEMs.
Wondering if the UM2s will be the best bet...tried getting from xandman bt too late liao cry.gif
Checked arnd (LYN) n price is still arnd RM900++? If u guys gt 'jalan' to get them cheaper pls share with me!
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Starkey Labs are doing my custom molds now! thumbup.gif
http://shop.listenhearstore.com/products/c...-for-headphones

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Wah, bossnass spreading his poison here hahaha. But it's good to know there's local source to handle custom ear mould.
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the price cheaper then other company , can tell more detail ?

Maybe wanna try with it on my ER4 !
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QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Apr 11 2009, 10:02 AM)
Post # 101  tongue.gif ...
Ok guys deviating off-topic here...I'm moving on from single-driver(SE102 n SHE9850) IEMs to dual-driver IEMs.
Wondering if the UM2s will be the best bet...tried getting from xandman bt too late liao cry.gif
Checked arnd (LYN) n price is still arnd RM900++? If u guys gt 'jalan' to get them cheaper pls share with me!
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UM2 is already the best bet last year laugh.gif
not sure if there are any other new dual IEMs killing it or not...best if you ask Walabies or checkout Clieos reviews...
btw...a new one for RM900 is already cheaper than market price,its a sales thread by walabies right?
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still got 1 very nice dual driver IEM , Custom 3 !
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ya....custom 3 is a reli nice IEM...simply can get RM650 for it but seems Low yat hv limited stock..
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icy ahhh u sold ur UM2s edi?
If nt sell to me cheap cheap le~
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QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Apr 11 2009, 02:53 PM)
icy ahhh u sold ur UM2s edi?
If nt sell to me cheap cheap le~
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LOL
sold off d...i think there is others that is selling off their stuff...gotta wait...bet if the UM#X is released and reviewed...many will be selling off for upgrades
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ya....custom 3 is a reli nice IEM...simply can get RM650 for it but seems Low yat hv limited stock..
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Yea, definitely worth it. The R.P is USD 299.9 which is same as UM2 right? but selling price is only Rm650, it's a must grab thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Apr 11 2009, 07:46 PM)
Yea, definitely worth it. The R.P is USD 299.9 which is same as UM2 right? but selling price is only Rm650, it's a must grab  thumbup.gif
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i tink if you guys are looking into 3 way cross over, i suggest a custom ES3X will be good... just i believe if you hear before, the moment u turn into customs, you wont want to go back to universal... and i had experienced myself...

i had just receive my ES3X a few days ago and i got perfect fit the first time i tried on (maybe i am lucky). however, the fit and isolation is one plus point that you will never get from an universal IEMs even if you put westone ultra long foam tips. furthermore, as audiophile, u should know different foam tips will result in the quality of the sounds coming out. I.E to say, i tried using flex sleeves the sound i get are brighter than using foam tips. the isolation wise are also different. Thus, sometimes a bad day, you cant get your IEMs optimal sound quality. However in customs, what you hear will be the best of everytime you put it in your ears.

For sound wise i will just talk briefly as i wont get into detail that much, what i can compare, I had only tried, Shure E2c, E3c, E4c, E5c, E500s, Westone UM1, UM2, UE superfi 5pro, UE triplefi 10 pro, UE 11 universal.

so for sound i tink is best to get into comparisons with other IEMs rather than saying the low is punchy, the mid is forward and all those crap that you wont learn from it.
before using ES3X, i am always using E5c as i am more into details and flatness... i had come across E500 for about a months and i find that the sounds isnt that great even though its a 3 driver as compared to E5c a 2 drivers. E500 as compared to E5c is definitely bigger in sound... but not bigger in sound stage.... thats the issues.. so thus what i can hear in E500, i can also hear in E5c, only that the sound are bigger in E500 and the bass is extended... 1 minus point i find about the E500 is that the sound is too loose... the bass is not tight enough and due to the big sounds, the resolutions of all the instruments seems to disrupt the actual sound of the instruments, which means the decay of the sounds was not well molded, which make it sounds rather like UEs IEMs, however, as being shure, shure should be more of a flat sound rather than colored, thus it makes the E500s going no where... another minus point.
Talking about UE in comparisons of E500, UE are more colored monitors. But at least they color their sounds in a unique and good ways. So ppl looking for colors in their IEMs should try testing out UE superfi 5. But as i says, is always personal preferences. okay i will cut and go to the point now.
UM2, as compared to superfi 5 pro, E5c (all the 2 driver monitors):
As i said E5c's sound is more defined in their presentations of sounds as compare to UM2 and superfi 5 and i can garantee saying this. However, on the other side, UM2 may sound more forward in their mids as compare to E5cs, thus if comparing to listening to popular music e.g. reggae, R&B, Rock, E5c lose out to UM2, coz UM2 brings the sound more forward than E5cs. using E5c to listent to pop songs may sometimes be very itrritating as E5c concentrates more on high and lows, thus whenever i want the sounds to be bigger or more front, i raise the volume, but the high will turn too shrilling when the voume is up. But using E5c to listen classical music... is the best earphones out of all 2 drivers (excluding ER4 and E4c, ER4 might be better, i don't know.)
Okay now finally ES3x, the moment i get ES3x, i didn't expect much from it mainly because i believe the higher you climbs up among the IEMs, the lesser significant improvement u will get from the upgraded earphones. I.E. to says, a $200 dollar earphones will sound 50 times better than a stock earphones, a $500 earphones will sound 5 times better than the $200 dollars earphones. A $850 earphones will sound 0.5 times better than a $500 earphones ( this is a fact though), thus i don't expect my custom ES3x to sound a lot better as compared to my previous earphones.
However, i realise we can't compare it this way when coming to compare customs with universals.

What i must say before i start is that i am not really a fan of westone though, but i will explain why i get ES3x in the end. When come listening to ES3x, first thing, best sound stage i had heard so far. (when talking about best soundstage, is as compared to the above IEMs i had used before. But i heard that ACS T1 customs IEMs have even better sound stage.) what i can hear in E500s, E5cs, Triple Fi 10, i cannot hear in UM2. What i can hear in ES3x, i am amaze i never heard before in all the earphones i used before. Just for the instant when i test out various music files. when Testing on vocal i uses one of the track "I'm yours". I could even hear the sound of him opening his mouth before he breathe in and start singing. (not exaggerating.) and there are various instruments that has been heard in ES3x and not in my old IEMs. Thats for sound stage.
For Low, definitely extended bass and TIGHT!... as is definitely much better than E500, Triple fi 10 and even skull candy headphones (i know i am being random to put in skull candy, by the way skull candy is a headphone that the sound sucks and cannot make it as it is not a headphones for audiophiles, however i find headphones bass are outstandingly big as compared to IEMs especially skullcandy headphones though.)
For mids, i have no comments,
for highs, no comments also as it perform per as normal, in its best,
the low mid and high are really well balanced as i can say. or what westone can say (3 precised balanced amateur). If you find ER4, E5c, E4c presntations and isolations of individual instruments well... i can say ES3x surpass all of them. As i always thought, Shures presents its sound very well... and ER4 is famous in his clarity of sound as compare to quality (for clarity sometimes u need to give in quality to make up for it.) but for ES3x, i nv hear sounds that are so full, rounded up, and big while still able to maintain the presentations of sound. Just like what most review on ES3x says, there is lots of space in between instruments. this is one big extreme plus point. (space within instrument = clarity = big sound stage = longer hour listening as it wont tired your ears so fast.) eh... i tink i shall stop here for describing the sounds.

and for why i bought ES3x even though i ain't a fan of westone. Is that i actually wanted to purchase UE10 pro. however Stereo no longer a distributer of UEs and i am damm piss off... so i head down to Jaben and i could not get a fix price for UE10pro, But when wilson quote me the price, 1.7 to 1.8k (inclusive of shipping and everything.) i thought that he is over charging me as i received the priced from stereo is 1.4k... this is like 400 dollars different! so i head back to stereo and ask if they can help me and they ask me try purchasing online... i tried, and finally came out a price 1.7+k coz if i paid by visa, i will have interest and exchange rate. this piss me off badly. i wanted to upgrade to a custom so badly so i head back to Jaben, and in the end, the price they quote becomes 1.8k to 1.9k and i am like thinking, WTF? a triple driver custom cost 1.8 to 1.9 and UE 11 cost 2k... like that i must well but UE11... thus i concluded that Jaben is not very frank and honest in their price tag. In the end, i had no choice but to buy Westone customs instead, so i head down to Stereo and got my ES3x at 1.4k in total. (actual is 1.3k, but i included workarts for my earphones and it cost a 100 dollars more.)

By the way Jaben sells their ES3x at $1699, which u can simply put it as 1.7k and it exclude work art. which i believe if i add work art to it, it will turn out to be 1.8+k... so think about it.... haha.... tsk tsk... but anyway i have no regrets in purchasing ES3x though eventhough my main motive is to buy UE10 and UE11... which could possibly be my future investment if i can find a proper ditributor...
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i tink if you guys are looking into 3 way cross over, i suggest a custom ES3X will be good... just i believe if you hear before, the moment u turn into customs, you wont want to go back to universal... and i had experienced myself...

i had just receive my ES3X a few days ago and i got perfect fit the first time i tried on (maybe i am lucky). however, the fit and isolation is one plus point that you will never get from an universal IEMs even if you put westone ultra long foam tips. furthermore, as audiophile, u should know different foam tips will result in the quality of the sounds coming out. I.E to say, i tried using flex sleeves the sound i get are brighter than using foam tips. the isolation wise are also different. Thus, sometimes a bad day, you cant get your IEMs optimal sound quality. However in customs, what you hear will be the best of everytime you put it in your ears.

For sound wise i will just talk briefly as i wont get into detail that much, what i can compare, I had only tried, Shure E2c, E3c, E4c, E5c, E500s, Westone UM1, UM2, UE superfi 5pro, UE triplefi 10 pro, UE 11 universal.

so for sound i tink is best to get into comparisons with other IEMs rather than saying the low is punchy, the mid is forward and all those crap that you wont learn from it.
before using ES3X, i am always using E5c as i am more into details and flatness... i had come across E500 for about a months and i find that the sounds isnt that great even though its a 3 driver as compared to E5c a 2 drivers. E500 as compared to E5c is definitely bigger in sound... but not bigger in sound stage.... thats the issues.. so thus what i can hear in E500, i can also hear in E5c, only that the sound are bigger in E500 and the bass is extended... 1 minus point i find about the E500 is that the sound is too loose... the bass is not tight enough and due to the big sounds, the resolutions of all the instruments seems to disrupt the actual sound of the instruments, which means the decay of the sounds was not well molded, which make it sounds rather like UEs IEMs, however, as being shure, shure should be more of a flat sound rather than colored, thus it makes the E500s going no where... another minus point.
Talking about UE in comparisons of E500, UE are more colored monitors. But at least they color their sounds in a unique and good ways. So ppl looking for colors in their IEMs should try testing out UE superfi 5. But as i says, is always personal preferences. okay i will cut and go to the point now.
UM2, as compared to superfi 5 pro, E5c (all the 2 driver monitors):
As i said E5c's sound is more defined in their presentations of sounds as compare to UM2 and superfi 5 and i can garantee saying this. However, on the other side, UM2 may sound more forward in their mids as compare to E5cs, thus if comparing to listening to popular music e.g. reggae, R&B, Rock, E5c lose out to UM2, coz UM2 brings the sound more forward than E5cs. using E5c to listent to pop songs may sometimes be very itrritating as E5c concentrates more on high and lows, thus whenever i want the sounds to be bigger or more front, i raise the volume, but the high will turn too shrilling when the voume is up. But using E5c to listen classical music... is the best earphones out of all 2 drivers (excluding ER4 and E4c, ER4 might be better, i don't know.)
Okay now finally ES3x, the moment i get ES3x, i didn't expect much from it mainly because i believe the higher you climbs up among the IEMs, the lesser significant improvement u will get from the upgraded earphones. I.E. to says, a $200 dollar earphones will sound 50 times better than a stock earphones, a $500 earphones will sound 5 times better than the $200 dollars earphones. A $850 earphones will sound 0.5 times better than a $500 earphones ( this is a fact though), thus i don't expect my custom ES3x to sound a lot better as compared to my previous earphones.
However, i realise we can't compare it this way when coming to compare customs with universals.

What i must say before i start is that i am not really a fan of westone though, but i will explain why i get ES3x in the end. When come listening to ES3x, first thing, best sound stage i had heard so far. (when talking about best soundstage, is as compared to the above IEMs i had used before. But i heard that ACS T1 customs IEMs have even better sound stage.) what i can hear in E500s, E5cs, Triple Fi 10, i cannot hear in UM2. What i can hear in ES3x, i am amaze i never heard before in all the earphones i used before. Just for the instant when i test out various music files. when Testing on vocal i uses one of the track "I'm yours". I could even hear the sound of him opening his mouth before he breathe in and start singing. (not exaggerating.) and there are various instruments that has been heard in ES3x and not in my old IEMs. Thats for sound stage.
For Low, definitely extended bass and TIGHT!... as is definitely much better than E500, Triple fi 10 and even skull candy headphones (i know i am being random to put in skull candy, by the way skull candy is a headphone that the sound sucks and cannot make it as it is not a headphones for audiophiles, however i find headphones bass are outstandingly big as compared to IEMs especially skullcandy headphones though.)
For mids, i have no comments,
for highs, no comments also as it perform per as normal, in its best,
the low mid and high are really well balanced as i can say. or what westone can say (3 precised balanced amateur). If you find ER4, E5c, E4c presntations and isolations of individual instruments well... i can say ES3x surpass all of them. As i always thought, Shures presents its sound very well... and ER4 is famous in his clarity of sound as compare to quality (for clarity sometimes u need to give in quality to make up for it.) but for ES3x, i nv hear sounds that are so full, rounded up, and big while still able to maintain the presentations of sound. Just like what most review on ES3x says, there is lots of space in between instruments. this is one big extreme plus point. (space within instrument = clarity = big sound stage = longer hour listening as it wont tired your ears so fast.) eh... i tink i shall stop here for describing the sounds.

and for why i bought ES3x even though i ain't a fan of westone. Is that i actually wanted to purchase UE10 pro. however Stereo no longer a distributer of UEs and i am damm piss off... so i head down to Jaben and i could not get a fix price for UE10pro, But when wilson quote me the price, 1.7 to 1.8k (inclusive of shipping and everything.) i thought that he is over charging me as i received the priced from stereo is 1.4k... this is like 400 dollars different! so i head back to stereo and ask if they can help me and they ask me try purchasing online... i tried, and finally came out a price 1.7+k coz if i paid by visa, i will have interest and exchange rate. this piss me off badly. i wanted to upgrade to a custom so badly so i head back to Jaben, and in the end, the price they quote becomes 1.8k to 1.9k and i am like thinking, WTF? a triple driver custom cost 1.8 to 1.9 and UE 11 cost 2k... like that i must well but UE11... thus i concluded that Jaben is not very frank and honest in their price tag. In the end, i had no choice but to buy Westone customs instead, so i head down to Stereo and got my ES3x at 1.4k in total. (actual is 1.3k, but i included workarts for my earphones and it cost a 100 dollars more.)

By the way Jaben sells their ES3x at $1699, which u can simply put it as 1.7k and it exclude work art. which i believe if i add work art to it, it will turn out to be 1.8+k... so think about it.... haha.... tsk tsk... but anyway i have no regrets in purchasing ES3x though eventhough my main motive is to buy UE10 and UE11... which could possibly be my future investment if i can find a proper ditributor...
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Wow, very nice and detailed reviews boss, rclxms.gif you should open a new thread for this. Got any unwanted IEMs from ur collection that you wanna sell off? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(reid.ausf @ Apr 16 2009, 01:18 AM)
when Testing on vocal i uses one of the track "I'm yours". I could even hear the sound of him opening his mouth before he breathe in and start singing. (not exaggerating.)
I'm currently using ATH-CK100 and also noticed it. Its around 23.5 sec mark into the music hehehe. I just noticed this actually
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wah xandman already bitten the ES3X bullet...
darn if i will spending those amount of money i am sure go for UE11Pro as the price different compare to ES3X isnt that much here..

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jk...
ue11 is 1.1k usd...
the es3x is only 850usd...

also ive never tried ue11...
but i love my W3...
so there goes my decision... biggrin.gif


Added on April 16, 2009, 3:49 pmi can always get the ue11 next time .... wink.gif like mr reid.

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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 16 2009, 04:49 PM)
jk...
ue11 is 1.1k usd...
the es3x is only 850usd...

also ive never tried ue11...
but i love my W3...
so there goes my decision... biggrin.gif


Added on April 16, 2009, 3:49 pmi can always get the ue11 next time .... wink.gif like mr reid.
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here my place ES3X is selling USD1K! damn...so UE price is more reasonable here..
I understand ur logic there y choosing ES3X.. pls provide us full review after u gotten it ok thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 16 2009, 03:49 PM)
jk...
ue11 is 1.1k usd...
the es3x is only 850usd...

also ive never tried ue11...
but i love my W3...
so there goes my decision... biggrin.gif


Added on April 16, 2009, 3:49 pmi can always get the ue11 next time .... wink.gif like mr reid.
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Can you write a short reviews on UM2 and W3 and compared the SQ of both of them hmm.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 16 2009, 01:36 PM)
I'm currently using ATH-CK100 and also noticed it. Its around 23.5 sec mark into the music hehehe. I just noticed this actually
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Boss,

Can you write a short reviews on UM2 and W3 and compared the SQ of both of them  hmm.gif
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i m so lazy in writing stuffs...
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 16 2009, 01:36 PM)
I'm currently using ATH-CK100 and also noticed it. Its around 23.5 sec mark into the music hehehe. I just noticed this actually
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yup, i didn't notice it in other IEMs even they are there until i hear it with the customs, but yeah... ES3x is much cheaper 3 driver customs as compared to other brands... but yet i tink it had quite a high level of details already. Sorry dude, i ain't selling any IEMs here, i am collecting them...

hmmm... but thinking abt the price of those customs... i tink it is still wise to stick with the universals... after having my mum standing beside me at Best Denki and nagging to me that i can actually afford a 40inch Samsung full HD LCD TV if i did not purchase the ES3x...
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QUOTE(reid.ausf @ Apr 17 2009, 12:12 AM)
yup, i didn't notice it in other IEMs even they are there until i hear it with the customs, but yeah... ES3x is much cheaper 3 driver customs as compared to other brands... but yet i tink it had quite a high level of details already. Sorry dude, i ain't selling any IEMs here, i am collecting them...

hmmm... but thinking abt the price of those customs... i tink it is still wise to stick with the universals... after having my mum standing beside me at Best Denki and nagging to me that i can actually afford a 40inch Samsung full HD LCD TV if i did not purchase the ES3x...
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QUOTE(xandman @ Apr 16 2009, 08:28 PM)
i shall try...soon..
i m so lazy in writing stuffs...
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Thxs boss. I hv a question to ask...

let say u guys were to choose between IE8, W3, TF10 and the CK100.... Which one will you guys choose I wonder? Only one sweat.gif

P/S: What's the market price for IE8 now?

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Thxs boss. I hv a question to ask...

let say u guys were to choose between IE8, W3, TF10 and the CK100.... Which one will you guys choose I wonder? Only one  sweat.gif

P/S: What's the market price for IE8 now?
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OT la a bit, price for IE8 is around rm1k in australia....
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OT la a bit, price for IE8 is around rm1k in australia....
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QUOTE(reid.ausf @ Apr 17 2009, 12:12 AM)
after having my mum standing beside me at Best Denki and nagging to me that i can actually afford a 40inch Samsung full HD LCD TV if i did not purchase the ES3x...

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@chingwooi
Try to audition them if possible. But owning them for few weeks help to be more critical with their strengths and weaknesses. Which iem to buy really depends on your music preference.

IE8 price ranging from RM1+K to RM1.6K.
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I just noticed this is UM3X thread LOL. Really OT hahaha biggrin.gif
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OT la a bit, price for IE8 is around rm1k in australia....
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 17 2009, 08:57 AM)
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@chingwooi
Try to audition them if possible. But owning them for few weeks help to be more critical with their strengths and weaknesses. Which iem to buy really depends on your music preference.

IE8 price ranging from RM1+K to RM1.6K.
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Haha, IS there any shop that I can audit all the above IEMs ? sweat.gif I can't afford to try out those IEM by buying one by one and tested it out like you did because once again poor student blush.gif

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If u're in Singapore, u can audition them at Stereo and Jaben. I'm a poor student too LOL

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im poor too sad.gif
hope got ppl sell IE8 at 1k or less lol
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Selling IE8 less than RM1k? That person must be stupid tongue.gif

Anyway, UM3X will launched in next 2 weeks. So far no updates from powderhound regarding sound signatures.
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 17 2009, 09:28 AM)
Selling IE8 less than RM1k? That person must be stupid tongue.gif

Anyway, UM3X will launched in next 2 weeks. So far no updates from powderhound regarding sound signatures.
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yeah...right...when ppl do bulk all didnt buy lol whistling.gif  rolleyes.gif
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neah.. i can get around that price for a single IE8. u want?
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UM3X Earphones Review by Flavio T, Chief Editor with Earphone Solutions

April, 22, 2009

Today I received my UM3X sample from Westone. They managed to fit all 3 new drivers inside the same exact casing as the UM2 which is great because the UM2 has one of, if not the best, fit and comfort among all high-end in-ear earphones. The casing is half black, half clear. The cables are identical to the awesome UM2 cables and yes, the UM3X is made in USA.

The UM3X was built for stage monitoring and for professional musicians. One thing I noticed right away was the isolation level I got from it was higher than with my Westone 3.  In comparison, the sound of the UM3X is more gentle with strong bass presence. The sound is mellow and velvety. The Westone 3 which was optimized for the iPod playback, has a more extended high therefore a brighter presentation. The UM3X is more subtle and really shines with vocals and acoustic guitars.

I did not test the UM3X with musical instruments because I don’t have a band and I am not a musician. The test was done with an iPod Nano, no external amps.  There was a concern that the UM3X could show some hissing sound in the background when used with the iPod but there was nothing like that. Just silence and a beautiful vocal presentation.

The UM3X shined specially with some of my Japanese collection which I enjoy very much:
* Mizuyo Komiya - Lullaby
* Mizuyo Komiya - Color

These are definitely the best earphones for acoustic guitar, vocals, and some other songs that benefit from a mellow presentation and an empty background. The UM3X has a very smooth sound and for long listening hours they are superb. It’s basically a UM2 with even more detail but not so extended highs such as the Westone 3. I personally prefer the fit of the UM3X because it has a slightly smaller form. For some reason I still can’t explain why the Scott Stapp songs I listened to, the vocals came out a bit muddy and not so forward as I would expect. Most likely the recording or because the UM3X is designed for musicians. Nevertheless my acoustic collection shined like never before with the UM3X.  For live presentations, these are now by far the best option for a professional musician that doesn’t want to go through the process of getting ear canal impressions and then have a custom in-ear monitor manufactured. I actually own the custom ES2, but honestly prefer the UM3X. The custom earphones can be a bit “intrusive” in the sense that they reach deeper inside your ear canal and they are not made of a soft material such as the Comply Tips that come with the UM3X. For that reason, I do prefer the $379 UM3X over my $650 ES2. Of course this is a personal preference.


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Source was directly from iPod Nano ... mmmmm ...Base on my experience with PFEs and NE-7Ms, the bass and treble were not quite extended, but do resolve mids quite nicely. I hope another eviews with higher end audio source.
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Hey guys,

This is slightly off topic as well, but I noticed the ListenHear mention and I figured I'd offer to provide more details on their products and services in case anyone was curious. It's one of the best options for custom IEMs or earbud molds in the US, but unfortunately a lot of people don't know about the company.

Let me know if you'd like to know anything specific.
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feedback for this company custom are quite good .

and they doing the custom molds with nice price too drool.gif

hope jaben got the UM3X at next month . brows.gif
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Hey guys,

This is slightly off topic as well, but I noticed the ListenHear mention and I figured I'd offer to provide more details on their products and services in case anyone was curious.  It's one of the best options for custom IEMs or earbud molds in the US, but unfortunately a lot of people don't know about the company. 

Let me know if you'd like to know anything specific.
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Wow, is that ListenHear representative? i know bossnass is waiting for his custom IE8 eartips from them.
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UM3X already launched and available. Check head-fi.org

Asked one of the member using UM3X and tried CK100, look like my CK100 is spared from upgrade. Only improvement is bass quantity and little expansion in soundstage depth.
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wow...thats wierd...compared to the W3, the UM3X isint much of a hype huh?

im not going to upgrade until i get another job yet...haha...
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That is the problem with head-fier's audiophiles Their words are sooo convincing... From their description, UM3X = PFE + bass quantity is mostly correct. smile.gif The optimal sound level also similar to PFEs, 90% of Nano.

Aaaaaarg .. another IEM purchase... aaaaarg my bank account... Be strong, be strong...

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the clear UM3X looks better than the black W3...
i want one!!!!
but my es3x is coming! =(


Added on May 2, 2009, 9:28 amicy...
u getting this? brows.gif

the box looks like the UM2...
not like the crappy w3!

i wonder if this is made in china like the w3....
or is it made in USA like the UM2...
hmm.gif

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not getting it for now...unless u wanna sponser me la hahah...

later la...i havent even get the chance to collect my secret amp yet... sad.gif
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icy can help me?
the secret...
whats the voltage like?

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UM3X similar to UM2, made in US. Colorado to be more specific.

And no, PFE nowhere near UM3X or in fact any high end IEM. It's purely hype by few jokers in head-fi. U know who they are...
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QUOTE(toughnut @ May 2 2009, 10:56 AM)
UM3X similar to UM2, made in US. Colorado to be more specific.

And no, PFE nowhere near UM3X or in fact any high end IEM. It's purely hype by few jokers in head-fi. U know who they are...
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@bolded : this interests me much! rclxm9.gif
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u alreadi have the es3x coming ur way man

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argh , i will go sg try it soon !
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ May 2 2009, 06:33 PM)
argh , i will go sg try it soon !
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hide me in ur bag cuz i dont have a passport but still wan to go to sg wink.gif
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it seem UM3X has the soundsignature what i am looking for my 2nd pair iems, cleaner/clearer, huge soundstage like IE8, more bass compare with CK100, plus can go for semi customize with UM56. but still need for more review & hype to cool down 1st.
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i thought the ie8 also can go semi-custom?
i saw 1 at head fi..
looks cool to..
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QUOTE(Paca @ May 2 2009, 07:15 PM)
i thought the ie8 also can go semi-custom?
i saw 1 at head fi..
looks cool to..
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bossnass went to this audiologist...they can make customs for IE8

impressive i would say...
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haa?
icy where can make custom mold?
u gotta to tell me pls...
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Custom mold cost isn't cheap. smile.gif


Added on May 4, 2009, 7:45 pmBtw, how you guys want me to update? The price or?

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QUOTE(toughnut @ May 2 2009, 10:56 AM)
UM3X similar to UM2, made in US. Colorado to be more specific.

And no, PFE nowhere near UM3X or in fact any high end IEM. It's purely hype by few jokers in head-fi. U know who they are...
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Hype? Did you ever listened to well amped PFEs before? I hope you can make the comment after listening to it first. smile.gif
To my ears, it is very nice, very real sound.


Ok, I also want to 'ikut' to sg... When and what time to meet?
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QUOTE(walabies @ May 4 2009, 07:39 PM)
Custom mold cost isn't cheap.  smile.gif


Added on May 4, 2009, 7:45 pmBtw, how you guys want me to update? The price or?
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of coz the price first then ETA... brows.gif
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yes , wala , the price plz !!!

@ xandman

Where ur ES3X !!!!
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damn.. gotta need to save up for this little beast before wallabies bringing in.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ May 4 2009, 09:22 PM)
yes , wala , the price plz !!!

@ xandman

Where ur ES3X !!!!
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arrived d!

waiting for camera...
then ill take some pics of it... brows.gif

i tot W3 was awesome...
ES3X...is totally a different beast!
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omg , finally got it !!

fast post up ur review and pic !!!
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Congratulations.... Just tumpang happy... smile.gif
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WOW.. pics pls.. be prepared to be poisoned... but somehow, custom IEM is totally out of my range. sweat.gif
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another snakes had join the party...
beware guys the Es3x is very dangerous....
btw xandman u need to burn bout 200 to 300 hours to tamed the highs and the soundstage will widen up...
got the advice from my audiophile friends who let me try his custom...... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sep90 @ May 5 2009, 08:06 AM)
another snakes had join the party...
beware guys the Es3x is very dangerous....
btw xandman u need to burn bout 200 to 300 hours to tamed the highs and the soundstage will widen up...
got the advice from my audiophile friends who let me try his custom...... laugh.gif
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thx for the advice man...
i will start burning it later today... biggrin.gif

for the rest...
ill post it up soon...
i left my CF at the office...so cant shoot yesterday...
ill shoot it today... brows.gif
but to give review...
i m a bit sucky at explaining the sound...
but i'll try AFTER burning in for 200-300 hrs... juz like sep's suggestion!

but i must say one thing...the packaging is enough to make me drool even before i open it up!
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Ooo... BA driver also need that long burn in ? Interesting..
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yes bahathir...
my W3 sounded like crap out of the box...
after arnd 80 hrs of burning in...
it sounded better...

juz like my um2...only after the 80hr mark it gets better!
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xandman , where is it ?! hmm.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ May 5 2009, 09:53 AM)
yes bahathir...
my W3 sounded like crap out of the box...
after arnd 80 hrs of burning in...
it sounded better...

juz like my um2...only after the 80hr mark it gets better!
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Well, congrat for getting new toy again drool.gif Same thing I would say: Pics and reviews please tongue.gif
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Check the ES3X thread. biggrin.gif
i dun wanna kacau UM3X thread maa... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ May 6 2009, 09:00 AM)
Check the ES3X thread. biggrin.gif
i dun wanna kacau UM3X thread maa... biggrin.gif
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Yer la... You got your ES3X already, so 'Tak Pandang' UM3X already ... smile.gif he hhe he h
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alamak this thread macam ES3X more ler...no Msian Boleh-man bud the UM3X yet?
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I want to buy it, but no reply from JABEN yet. Already 3 weeks waiting for their reply.
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Jaben still no get stock yet bah , if u wanna get , u can try go STEREO , they got the stock for UM3X edi .
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then get UM3X change to custom shell, poorman version or ES3X hahaha...
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LoL , but i think the sound still bit diff with ES3X , coz the driver will put diff way which not same as ES3X .

but i think but the UM3X + UM56 , should be very very nice edi !
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i wanted a UM3X...
bcoz icy or was it someone else...
told me it was like the UM2 made in USA...
not like W3...made in china...

but when i got the new toy...

well...i was shut up by the new toy!


Added on May 6, 2009, 1:48 pm
QUOTE(AngleR35 @ May 6 2009, 01:44 PM)
LoL , but i think the sound still bit diff with ES3X , coz the driver will put diff way which not same as ES3X .

but i think but the UM3X + UM56 , should be very very nice edi !
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i juz took a close look at the sound tube...
it seems that...
each of the driver has its own isolated path into the ears...
unlike W3 or UM2...the sound tube is shared rite?
if i saw it correctly la...
if its true...then that may play a role in shaping the ES3X sound signature...

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 6 2009, 01:46 PM)
i juz took a close look at the sound tube...
it seems that...
each of the driver has its own isolated path into the ears...
unlike W3 or UM2...the sound tube is shared rite?
if i saw it correctly la...
if its true...then that may play a role in shaping the ES3X sound signature...
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yes , this is what i said , each driver has its own tube , but um3x is sharing one tube .
that is y the sound will still bit diff .
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ May 6 2009, 02:20 PM)
yes , this is what i said , each driver has its own tube , but um3x is sharing one tube .
that is y the sound will still bit diff .
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u sure it's a bit? brows.gif
hahahahahha... tongue.gif:p:p
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no , i not sure , coz i haven't tried them before .
this is what i thinking , LoL .

Still worth that getting ES3X if got budget , coz the sound sure better then UM3X lah !! brows.gif

xandman , can go try ur ES3X ? drool.gif
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try...can...
but without proper fit...
the sound will be crappy... biggrin.gif
thats wat ppl told me la...i dunno..
hahahha..
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it will sound same as u didnt put ur IEM into ur ear , LoL
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hahahhaa...
of coz it will sound same...
but u cannot here the same sound...
no use oso rite? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ May 6 2009, 01:24 PM)
Jaben still no get stock yet bah , if u wanna get , u can try go STEREO , they got the stock for UM3X edi .
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I also sent and email to stereo last week, but still no reply..


If the IEMs can produce the SAME sound, as natural as without wearing it, I WILL buy that one... Why? It is sound so NATURAL, which is an ULTIMATE goal for any Audiophile. Agree? ... err. .but, I am not an Audiophile.... mmmm .. smile.gif




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bahathir..
when u got the um3x..
...u got pm...
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Not yet la ... no one replied my request yet smile.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ May 6 2009, 02:52 PM)
try...can...
but without proper fit...
the sound will be crappy... biggrin.gif
thats wat ppl told me la...i dunno..
hahahha..
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if the seal is crap u will lose out the bass and the isolation
jus my friend's custom iem ngam ngam fit into my ear sweat.gif dunno i was lucky or he was the 1 sweat.gif
i had perfectly good seal with it and tried flicking my fingers near my ear to test the isolation..great isolation thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sep90 @ May 6 2009, 04:57 PM)
if the seal is crap u will lose out the bass and the isolation
jus my friend's custom iem ngam ngam fit into my ear  sweat.gif dunno i was lucky or he was the 1  sweat.gif
i had perfectly good seal with it and tried flicking my fingers near my ear to test the isolation..great isolation  thumbup.gif
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thats how u test isolation...
i shall try it later...
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QUOTE(sep90 @ May 6 2009, 04:57 PM)
if the seal is crap u will lose out the bass and the isolation
jus my friend's custom iem ngam ngam fit into my ear  sweat.gif dunno i was lucky or he was the 1  sweat.gif
i had perfectly good seal with it and tried flicking my fingers near my ear to test the isolation..great isolation  thumbup.gif
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when the music is playing?
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QUOTE(bahathir @ May 6 2009, 03:21 PM)
I also sent and email to stereo last week, but still no reply..
If the IEMs can produce the SAME sound, as natural as without wearing it, I WILL buy that one... Why? It is sound so NATURAL, which is an ULTIMATE goal for any Audiophile. Agree? ... err. .but, I am not an Audiophile.... mmmm .. smile.gif
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normally is find the sound which u like blush.gif
everyone got their diff taste ..
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i think hes 80 percent spot on..
i really like to hear from somthing that is very near to real stuff..
but wif a lil more bass..tongue.gif
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in before madman comes in and say: it aint no music if it aint turned to 80% of its volume...

different music and types suits each person la...if everybody like what u like do you think we need so many diff companies in Audio?

i prefer transparency...less on the bass laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Paca @ May 6 2009, 07:43 PM)
i think hes 80 percent spot on..
i really like to hear from somthing that is very near to real stuff..
but wif a lil more bass..tongue.gif
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i m wit u...
bass thump makes me happy!

especially the very very low thump...

nicey~

the ES3X covers this area very well..
W3's bass is a bit less controlled compared to ES3X's.
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ya me love the low thump..
can the es3x do that?

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yes...very well actually...
the very low humming of the bass!
i loike!

paca...
u better be careful...
suddenly u oso order ES3X!
hahahaha...
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in my dreams ya..
i ordered a couple of tymes..
but not in real life tongue.gif
for bass i leave that to my atrios
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Any particular songs/soundtracks which you feel the sub (deep and low) bass ? I used to llistened to DJ Tiesto's trance, "Close to You". For jazz, in Diana Krall's album, the bass (instrumemts) were superb, I love it smile.gif
BTW, many years ago, I had a contrabass marimba percusion CD to test my speaker systems. Sad, I did not have the CD anymore to test with my PFEs + D10.

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QUOTE(bahathir @ May 7 2009, 10:54 AM)
my PFEs
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jus u wait wink.gif brows.gif
hehe..
u understand what im saying bahathir? rclxm9.gif

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Wah!, you seem so excited smile.gif... But, For sure, it will not like your Atrios smile.gif
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QUOTE(bahathir @ May 7 2009, 11:08 AM)
Wah!, you seem so excited smile.gif... But, For sure, it will not like your Atrios smile.gif
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if it like my atrios..
i dont need 2 of them wink.gif
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QUOTE(bahathir @ May 7 2009, 10:54 AM)
Any particular songs/soundtracks which you feel the sub (deep and low)  bass ? I used to llistened to DJ Tiesto's trance, "Close to You". For jazz, in Diana Krall's album, the bass (instrumemts) were superb, I love it smile.gif
BTW, many years ago, I had a contrabass marimba percusion CD to test my speaker systems. Sad, I did not have the CD anymore to test with my PFEs + D10.
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i cant really remember...
but i heard this one song...with a very low thump where with normal speakers sans woofer u cant really get that...
ill try to look for that song again...

tiesto eh? time to find a new CD!

so baha...
u a bass head too? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Paca @ May 7 2009, 11:01 AM)
jus u wait wink.gif brows.gif
hehe..
u understand what im saying bahathir? rclxm9.gif
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hohohoh...
u getting the PFE?
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lala~
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No.. Paca is getting to listen to my PFEs next week smile.gif he heh heh ..

Basshead... ha ha hah ha .. Nope. I like clear bass, clarity mids and sparkling treble sound. Clear bass = (very) Deep, accurate bass. Example: Moving or resonating air after drum/percussion being hit.

Also I do not use any EQing to boost any section of the sound spectrum. I don't like too much mid-bass, make me dizzy/pening. Example: Sound from ICE (In car entertaiment) boom box... or modded tailpipe/muffler To me... it is just a noise smile.gif

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u will like my atrio wink.gif
with a bit of bass..wink.gif
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QUOTE(bahathir @ May 7 2009, 12:30 PM)
No.. Paca is getting to listen to my PFEs next week smile.gif he heh heh ..

Basshead... ha ha hah ha .. Nope. I like clear bass, clarity mids and sparkling treble  sound. Clear bass = (very) Deep, accurate bass. Example: Moving or resonating  air after drum/percussion being hit.

Also I do not use any EQing to boost any section of the sound spectrum. I don't like too much mid-bass, make me dizzy/pening. Example: Sound from ICE (In car entertaiment) boom box... or modded  tailpipe/muffler To me... it is just a noise smile.gif
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owh ok...
poison him till he cant be cured!
muahahahahha....

some ICE do sound nice...
i think u r refering to those ah beng type 15" woofer sound....yes?
i feel u man...thats pure destruction of music...and ur eardrums too!


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QUOTE(xandman @ May 7 2009, 01:58 PM)
owh ok...
poison him till he cant be cured!
muahahahahha....
Yes, I will poison (IEMs) him, and at the same time, I'll give some medicine (dac/amp) too smile.gif. I will make sure he will not suffers too much smile.gif

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some ICE do sound nice...
i think u r refering to those ah beng type 15" woofer sound....yes?
i feel u man...thats pure destruction of music...and ur eardrums too!
I cannot imagine how they able to drive and enjoy that kind of sound. Too extreme, sometime the 'boom boom' sound can penetrate into my car, which I think have a quite good seal and isolation, smile.gif .. . I am pretty sure they already lost some % of hearing already smile.gif.

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really syiok arr...??? anyways...., i'll be having my toys next month.... and i just cant wait!

ngeee...

where u want to audition bahathir? if can may i join?

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Audition what ? smile.gif Ooo.. my PFEs ? I planned it next week
Date: 2009-05-14 (Thursday),
Location : Nasi Kandar Sedap, Jalan Ara, SD7, Bandar Seri Damansara
GPS coordinate : N03 11.247' E101 36.937'
Time : around 3 PM,

If you have time come laa smile.gif
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Audition what ? smile.gif Ooo.. my PFEs ? I planned it next week
Date: 2009-05-14 (Thursday),
Location :  Nasi Kandar Sedap, Jalan Ara, SD7, Bandar Seri Damansara
GPS coordinate : N03 11.247' E101 36.937'
Time : around 3 PM,

If you have time come laa smile.gif
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today i go tried UM3X and AT CK100..

i try with my rig , emod > .22 > IEM

UM3X = sound really similar with SE530 , but UM3X got less bass then SE530 and didnt roll off like SE530 , but SE530 mid still the best , UM3X like too near on u , sometime will feel it bit muddy , not control well like SE530 .

CK100 = almost same sound as my ER4S , it soundstage is bigger bit then ER4S , but i feel that the CK100 sound cant control well then ER4S , like the bass , i feel that ER4S bass more tight and fit , but CK100 bass punch quite soft .But i think CK100 need using amp to push to , coz it sound will better more better !
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Wow, u tried both. How long is that CK100 burned in? The bass only come out after long burn in. Weird.
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where did you try um3x? how does it sound as compared to TF10? on par with it? or much better? smile.gif
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hmm , compare to TF10 , i will love TF10 more then this 2 IEM , coz UM3X mid like too near , quite hard to focus on the human sound , CK100 high bit too rush , maybe need amp to control it , and TF10 will sound better , ntg much to complain it .
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Where did you tried the UM3X ? smile.gif Just repeating Dybre question smile.gif
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oh , i tried at SG STEREO there .
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Ok, is it still available for sale? Color? black or clear/transparent?
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how much does it cost in singapore? i'm referring to UM3x.

but somehow i find the fit of TF10 is not as comfortable as UM2.
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QUOTE(bahathir @ May 11 2009, 01:16 PM)
Ok, is it still available for sale? Color? black or clear/transparent?
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U can get the UM3X at the shop , some of the IEM price drop edi .

UM3X = SGD 559
Westone 3 = SGD 559
IE8 = SGD 569
CK100 = SGD 499(promotion ! Left 4 only)
TF10 = SGD 629
SE530 = SGD 699(can rebate SGD100 with 2nd hand earphone)
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i tried the um3x n i didnt like it either..
ahaha angle..
now i also have passport..
go to stereo n jaben like crazy all day then go eat cheese crabs..
my godd!!SEDAPNYERRRR tongue.gif

but i did like the senn ie8,shure 530..
but shure is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to expensive tongue.gif
same goes o the senn..now rate is 2.38..T.T"
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haha , UM3X sound are close to SE530 , but SE530 got more feeling when listening with it , and SE530 outlook more tongue.gif nicer
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QUOTE(Paca @ May 16 2009, 01:37 AM)
i tried the um3x n i didnt like it either..
ahaha angle..
now i also have passport..
go to stereo n jaben like crazy all day then go eat cheese crabs..
my godd!!SEDAPNYERRRR tongue.gif

but i did like the senn ie8,shure 530..
but shure is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to expensive tongue.gif
same goes o the senn..now rate is 2.38..T.T"
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Interesting, how's IE8 SQ compares to Shure SE530?
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Sorry about the delayed response, but yes, I am a Listenhear rep, and again, I'd love to answer any questions you have about our company.

We'll make any headphone molds for $79.99 and they come from Starkey labs, one of the largest hearing manufacturers in the world, so I assure you we don't sacrifice on quality. We do all our molding for free in the Mall of America (Bloomington, MN), we keep your earmolds on file, and we even give you a 30 day trial period. Basically, it's the best deal you'll find from any standard retail store.

I'll try to remember to keep checking back to this thread, but if you've got immediate questions, I encourage you to email me at Pete_freeberg@listenhearstore.com
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ May 16 2009, 02:43 AM)
haha , UM3X sound are close to SE530 , but SE530 got more feeling when listening with it , and SE530 outlook more  tongue.gif nicer
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se530's mid sound too harsh for my ear. i feel very fatique & tired after listening for 10mins, then i swift back to ie8, everything turn to be so comfort & sweet. (during my audition of se53o experience side by side). In fact i auditioned before ER4B, i think it is worth the penny. good high/mid & acceptable bass dept which this iem is excel in vocal. good price too thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(ICustomFit @ May 16 2009, 05:16 AM)
Sorry about the delayed response,  but yes, I am a Listenhear rep, and again, I'd love to answer any questions you have about our company.

We'll make any headphone molds for $79.99 and they come from Starkey labs, one of the largest hearing manufacturers in the world, so I assure you we don't sacrifice on quality.  We do all our molding for free in the Mall of America (Bloomington, MN), we keep your earmolds on file, and we even give you a 30 day trial period.  Basically, it's the best deal you'll find from any standard retail store.

I'll try to remember to keep checking back to this thread, but if you've got immediate questions, I encourage you to email me at Pete_freeberg@listenhearstore.com
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Can u open a new thread, if not you will be sunken by all these replies very fast.

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QUOTE(ICustomFit @ May 16 2009, 04:16 AM)
Sorry about the delayed response,  but yes, I am a Listenhear rep, and again, I'd love to answer any questions you have about our company.

We'll make any headphone molds for $79.99 and they come from Starkey labs, one of the largest hearing manufacturers in the world, so I assure you we don't sacrifice on quality.  We do all our molding for free in the Mall of America (Bloomington, MN), we keep your earmolds on file, and we even give you a 30 day trial period.  Basically, it's the best deal you'll find from any standard retail store.

I'll try to remember to keep checking back to this thread, but if you've got immediate questions, I encourage you to email me at Pete_freeberg@listenhearstore.com
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you shipped to MY n how much?
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I collected my UM3X in Singapore last Friday. First impression, WoW!, the bass. Plenty of it. Mids/vocal sound bigger and a bit laid back compared to PFEs. Treble is good too, but PFEs' slightly win. Totally different sound signature. But, the best thing is, it is very easy to drive, and make DAP sound much-much more better, even the cheap DAP also sound great. Imagine, if you use it with a better DAP, such as iTouch 2G and Sony X1000s.

But, the differences between DAP sound and DAC/AMP (D10) is, the bass and treble extensions, resolution/details, separation, and headstage. Since I am not audiophile, I am not care much of it smile.gif heh he he, and still prefers D10.

Now, I really have to burn-in my mental to the new sound signature.

Ooo.. I also tried the IE8s briefly. I had plenty of bass too, but, not as controlled as UM3X's. Will do a serious listening ... and post some more here smile.gif

BTW, I had returned my PFEs for replacement, and luckily, I got the UM3X to satisfy my ears during the PFE's absent.

Thank you.
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what happen to PFE ?

Yes , UM3X u no need any amp for it , just pair with DAP enough !


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My PFEs have hairline cracks on both earpiece. I returned it, and have to wait for the new version of PFEs, which have better cables, earpieces casing and slight sound improvements. This new PFEs will be available on end of June.

I really like the PFE's sound and Phonak's service also excellent smile.gif. I love it.

Ok, here I attached my UM3X's close up pictures. The tips are the silicone tips.

Enjoy.

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Jun 7 2009, 02:01 PM)
I collected my UM3X in Singapore  last Friday. First impression, WoW!, the bass. Plenty of it. Mids/vocal sound bigger and a bit laid back compared to PFEs. Treble is good too, but PFEs' slightly win. Totally different sound signature. But, the best thing is, it is very easy to drive, and make DAP sound much-much more better, even the cheap DAP also sound great. Imagine, if you use it with a better DAP, such as iTouch 2G and Sony X1000s.

But, the differences between DAP sound and DAC/AMP (D10) is, the bass and treble extensions, resolution/details, separation, and headstage. Since I am not audiophile, I am not care much of it smile.gif heh he he, and still prefers D10.

Now, I really have to burn-in my mental to the new sound signature.

Ooo.. I also tried the IE8s briefly. I had plenty of bass too, but, not as controlled as UM3X's. Will do a serious listening ... and post some more here smile.gif

BTW, I had returned my PFEs for replacement, and luckily, I got the UM3X to satisfy my ears during the PFE's absent.

Thank you.
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IE8 is control IMO, depend how long u burned it, u need to tweak the bass knob to min level.
Of course Dyn Driver & BA Driver are difficult categories.
anyway congrats with ur new toy. drool.gif
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IE8 is control IMO, depend how long u burned it, u need to tweak the bass knob to min level.
Of course Dyn Driver & BA Driver are difficult categories.
anyway congrats with ur new toy. drool.gif
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Tweak to min lvl? Then there'll be no bass at all isn't it? I tweaked mine to half.


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My PFEs have hairline cracks on both earpiece. I returned it, and have to wait for the new version of PFEs, which have better cables, earpieces casing and slight sound improvements. This new PFEs will be available on end of June.

I really like the PFE's sound and Phonak's service also excellent smile.gif. I love it.

Ok, here I attached my UM3X's close up pictures. The tips are the silicone tips.

Enjoy.
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Haha, you seem to be a die-hard fan of Phonak Audeo xD Phonak price is like half the price of E3X right? Seems like it's a gd grab based on ur reviews,BTW, you're writing the reviews with PFE+amp vs E3X or PFE without amp vs E3X?

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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jun 8 2009, 12:40 AM)
Tweak to min lvl? Then there'll be no bass at all isn't it? I tweaked mine to half.


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Haha, you seem to be a die-hard fan of Phonak Audeo xD Phonak price is like half the price of E3X right? Seems like it's a gd grab based on ur reviews,BTW, you're writing the reviews with PFE+amp vs E3X or PFE without amp vs E3X?
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To my surprise at min bass lvl, the bass is much more pronounce & so those the mid/high. drool.gif
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jun 7 2009, 11:40 PM)
escal                                                  
Haha, you seem to be a die-hard fan of Phonak Audeo xD Phonak price is like half the price of E3X right? Seems like it's a gd grab based on ur reviews,BTW, you're writing the reviews with PFE+amp vs E3X or PFE without amp vs E3X?
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Yes, quite surprising, PFEs do sound great with DAC/AMP. So do the UM3X (not the E3X) too. As I mentioned earlier, PFEs do need some power to escalate it to another level.
Based on my memory, the biggest difference between both is the bass presentation and power efficiency. To get adequate sound level, I have to crank D10 to 2 o;clock, but, with UM3X, it just around 10-11 oclock. At 12, UM3X is too loud.

So I have 2 different IEMs with 2 different sound signature, and both are excellent IEMs. Actually the MSRP price differences is 2.73x. smile.gif

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the poison... too much to handle........

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Yes, quite surprising, PFEs do sound great with DAC/AMP. So do the UM3X (not the E3X)  too. As I mentioned earlier, PFEs do need some power to escalate it to another level.
Based on my memory, the biggest difference between both  is the bass presentation and power efficiency. To get adequate sound level, I have to crank D10 to 2 o;clock, but, with UM3X, it just around 10-11  oclock. At 12, UM3X is too loud.

So I have 2 different IEMs with 2 different sound signature, and both are excellent IEMs.  Actually the MSRP price differences is 2.73x. smile.gif
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I see, does the E3X has the sibilance issue like the W3 having?


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the poison... too much to handle........
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Indeed, it makes my hand-itchy again xD

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Sorry, I don't have W3s and did not have any experience with W3s yet, so no comment.

Just make an appointment and take a trip to Stereo and Jaben in Singapore, and feast your ears smile.gif. Then just swipe your credit/debit card smile.gif... Simple and easy. You can TRY and choose your own headphones/IEMs with cheaper price (compared in Malaysia) and you can avoid custom tax smile.gif. I suggest to take express bus, example NICE++, Aeroline, .. , and taxi around the Singapore, which I found It is relatively cheap and convenient too.

Thank you

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Phonax sometimes have hairline crack issues. sad.gif
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Yes, that's why I returned it. The best thing is, I asked for the 'newer' version of PFEs as the replacement smile.gif. I am very excited, and can wait with happy feeling smile.gif. We will see how it turned out later...
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QUOTE(walabies @ Jun 9 2009, 12:42 PM)
Phonax sometimes have hairline crack issues. sad.gif
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not sometimes... most of the time thou.... still i wanna get my hands on that earphones....


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Read that newer batch had been redesigned, with new materials and cable. Interesting.
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different ppl got their diff taste , as long as u can enjoy then isit nice earphone biggrin.gif
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different ppl got their diff taste , as long as u can enjoy then isit nice earphone  biggrin.gif
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Yea, yet it's still pretty funny that someone will actually find dual-driver IEM better than triple-driver IEM tongue.gif
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Yea, yet it's still pretty funny that someone will actually find dual-driver IEM better than triple-driver IEM tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jun 10 2009, 12:20 AM)
Yea, yet it's still pretty funny that someone will actually find dual-driver IEM better than triple-driver IEM tongue.gif
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actually...
UM2 is damn good... =)
even W3 sucks compared to it...

but not the ES3X of coz...

UM2 doesnt show any anomalies such as sibilance...
the bass is tight and controlled too!


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Newer tried UM2, so no comment. The bass ot UM3X is very good and controlled. Glad to have different signature earphones. I tried the Ultrasone demo CD tracks (FLAC), and it is VERY REALISTIC. The high/treble is very natural.. Ambient and surrounding also presented excellently. I am very happy with it smile.gif


Honestly, I really like PFE's sound signature, which I feel sitting very close to the performance. But, the negative is, the head/soundstage will be come very small, and sometime, the music seem to be 'too busy'.. Very good for monitoring.

UM3X offers a better sound signature to appreciate the performance in 'broader' aspects. It is like sitting on the first row, where we can enjoy the music with more relaxing.

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Jun 10 2009, 01:59 PM)
Newer tried UM2, so no comment. The bass ot UM3X is very good and controlled. Glad to have different signature earphones. I tried the Ultrasone demo CD tracks (FLAC), and it is VERY REALISTIC. The high/treble is very natural.. Ambient and surrounding also presented excellently.  I am very happy with it smile.gif
Honestly, I really like PFE's sound signature, which I feel sitting very close to the performance. But, the negative is, the head/soundstage will be come very small, and sometime, the music seem to be 'too busy'.. Very good for monitoring.

UM3X offers a better sound signature to appreciate the performance in 'broader' aspects. It is like sitting on the first row, where we can enjoy the music with more relaxing.
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drool.gif The UM3X got my attention now. Any chance that you've tried the IE8? I need comparison between these 2( easier for me to imagine how the UM3X SQ likes xD) How's the seal of the IEM eh? I mean the isolating.


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actually...
UM2 is damn good... =)
even W3 sucks compared to it...

but not the ES3X of coz...

UM2 doesnt show any anomalies such as sibilance...
the bass is tight and controlled too!
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This kinda surprise me hmm.gif Anyone can let me try their UM2/UM3X? I'll treat you at starbucks tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jun 11 2009, 04:22 AM)
drool.gif The UM3X got my attention now. Any chance that you've tried the IE8? I need comparison between these 2( easier for me to imagine how the UM3X SQ likes xD) How's the seal of the IEM eh? I mean the isolating.


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This kinda surprise me  hmm.gif Anyone can let me try their UM2/UM3X? I'll treat you at starbucks  tongue.gif
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hurm..i thought starbuck is haram for muslim cuz its selling non halal coffee.. cry.gif cry.gif
i used to drink there b4 i know bout it.. cry.gif cry.gif
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hurm..i thought starbuck is haram for muslim cuz its selling non halal coffee.. cry.gif  cry.gif
i used to drink there b4 i know bout it.. cry.gif  cry.gif
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Lol, I've no idea, nvr heard of that, nvr concern me as well, anyway, be it starbucks, dome, old town you named it, my point is I want try UM2 and UM3X xD

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typo es3x..
ya xandman..
ithink our ear canal is the same bcuz we both like spongebob..brows.gif
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from my view , SE530 still the best for me , UM2 and UM3X SQ similar to SE530 .

for me is like this

SE530>UM3X>UM2

So can said that UM2 is cheaper version of SE530 , and UM3X is bit more neutral version of SE530.
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QUOTE(Paca @ Jun 11 2009, 05:55 AM)
hurm..i thought starbuck is haram for muslim cuz its selling non halal coffee.. cry.gif  cry.gif
i used to drink there b4 i know bout it.. cry.gif  cry.gif
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hohoho... selagi tak was - was minum je.....

eyh.. ure auditioning the UM2 arr???
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QUOTE(AngleR35 @ Jun 11 2009, 11:15 AM)
from my view , SE530 still the best for me , UM2 and UM3X SQ similar to SE530 .

for me is like this

SE530>UM3X>UM2

So can said that UM2 is cheaper version of SE530 , and UM3X is bit more neutral version of SE530.
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You bought SE530 eh? I read that the cable of SE530 cracks easily. the UM3X cable seems to be better.
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I have some tasks to do at KLCC (KL convention center) this Sunday evening. I try to find some time to make a small gathering near KLCC for the audition smile.gif.

I will bring along my
Westone UM3X + 3 types of tips
Nuforce NE-7M
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Sorry, I cannot bring along my faithful PFEs smile.gif

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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jun 11 2009, 11:52 AM)
You bought SE530 eh? I read that the cable of SE530 cracks easily. the UM3X cable seems to be better.
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nope , hold for custom blush.gif
I think cable cracks issue hard to be found in m'sia here , coz quite hot .
Mostly the problem is apper at colder side country .
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But if you work in Data Center like me, where the air temperature is below 19 degree celcius, then, the problem may occurs. I think my PFEs cracks due to the temperature differences too. Mmm.. So, the root cause of the problem is the material choice.

Actually, I am in data center right now, and the UM3X cables are soft and flexible in cold environment. I need IEMs to isolate noises from servers. Mmmm.. Next time, I want to try to put my IEMs in refrigerator to see how the material to withstand extreme temperature smile.gif
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QUOTE(bahathir @ Jun 11 2009, 04:27 PM)
But if you work in Data Center like me, where the air temperature is below 19  degree celcius, then, the problem may occurs. I think my PFEs cracks due to the temperature differences too. Mmm.. So, the root cause of the problem is the material choice.

Actually, I am in data center right now, and the UM3X cables are soft and flexible in cold environment. I need IEMs to isolate noises from servers.   Mmmm.. Next time, I want to try to put my IEMs in refrigerator to see how the material to withstand extreme temperature smile.gif
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Added on June 11, 2009, 6:53 pm
QUOTE(AngleR35 @ Jun 11 2009, 04:15 PM)
nope , hold for custom  blush.gif
I think cable cracks issue hard to be found in m'sia here , coz quite hot .
Mostly the problem is apper at colder side country .
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I see, I didn't know that the weather was the culprit doh.gif I just noticed that you owned Triple Fi10 before xD Mine sharing little bit about the SQ?

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Hi all am here to join the league of UM3X smile.gif
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where did u guys buy the um3x/em3x?
lol, currently own um2, and i must say the vocal is nicer than my previously owned sennheiser ie8 (sorry chingwooi doh.gif ) in comparison between those 2 iem in terms of bass, ie8 has the quantity but um2 has the quality. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jul 11 2009, 07:56 PM)
where did u guys buy the um3x/em3x?
lol, currently own um2, and i must say the vocal is nicer than my previously owned sennheiser ie8 (sorry chingwooi doh.gif ) in comparison between those 2 iem in terms of bass, ie8 has the quantity but um2 has the quality. tongue.gif
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Hi,

For anybody who want to try or buy westone 3/um3x in malaysia.
You can go to TEAM 108 Booth B07 at SLV Expo to try :-

http://www.slvexpo.com/home

I'm getting mine there rclxm9.gif

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Welcom to LWN-Audiophile smile.gif.

Nice... and how much it cost in Malaysia ? smile.gif
Also, if possible get several type of ear tips, because, to my ears, the provided complies/foamies absorb little much treble energy. My current favorite is, the modded tripple flanges. smile.gif.

IME, the UM3Xs will opened up in about 1 or 2 weeks, and you will love how natural/balanced the sound is smile.gif.


Added on August 3, 2009, 12:52 pmFew days ago a received my custom ear canal tips. smile.gif. Although it looks not that nice compared to the real Westone UM56, but it enough to make sound better than generic/universal tips.

How different the sound compared to my favorite ear tips, the modded triple flanges
Bass; Cleaner, and deeper
Mid: Wow, very nice.
Treble : This is where the custom tips win with a big margin. I felt the treble is more extended. The sibiliance (5-7 kHz) is very well tamed. Orignaly, I never heard any sibilance with UM3Xs + generic tips, but, I pretty sure, the sibiliant is non exist at all with the custom's. I played a song/music with very harsh treble, and, the result is just a good sound.
Soundstage: Since it tamed the 5-7kHz range and better bass, I feel the soundstage is much bigger and wider.


The tips seem be long, but it can easily inserted to my ears, with few practices. Anyway, the UM3Xs with generic tips also very good, but it is better with the customs smile.gif.

Now I can imagine the what our friends here with the custom IEMs feel. One word... AWESOME. smile.gif
Thank you.

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where u did ur custom ear tips ?
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more importantly is how much does it cost ya xD
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Hoho, nice item there... very balance IEM
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Ok, I went to the audiologist, Sountex at The Curve. Actually, they don't know anything about IEMs. So, I showed them my UM3Xs, and tried to insert the nozzle into the tube of one of the display unit. It is difficult to insert it, but, I managed to do it. A good thing is, it provides a good grip. Then I made the ears impression, and ordered the ear canal tips. There are several types of ear canal tips, so I ordered the one with minimal outer ear's sleeves.

A week later, I picked up the tips, and cut the tubes, and left about 1 mm from the base of the tips. Why? I said earlier, it is VERY difficult to insert the nozzle into the tube, so I need a bit of tube, so I can pull the tube using my finger nail, bit by bit. After several minutes figuring out how to insert it to my ears, I twisted the UM3Xs body to ensure the correct position, when inserting to my ears.

Honestly, I felt pain in my left ear, but not all the time. the right ear is fine, and I think I need a re-fitting.

I forgot to mentioned that, the isolation is not as I expected. I expected a total silence, but, with these. I still can hear surroundings, people speaking, and not muffled compared to foam tips. IMHO my custom tips isolate less than the comply foam tips. It reminds me to my full size headphone's isolation. But, once the music is played, I forgot all these issues ... smile.gif BTW, it is quite comfortable, and I tried it for 6 hours during a bus trip from KL -> Kedah smile.gif.

My advices.
1) If you want to try it, please make sure your IEM nozzle can be inserted to the tube, and be prepared the face the difficulties.

2) Do not expect a total dark silence

3) Might be a waste of money if you don't like the sound signature. smile.gif


Total cost of these experimental custom ear canal tips is...... MYR 130, with re-fitting in 1 month. To me, it is a new experience and, I starting to listen to all my music collection again.... smile.gif It does sound different... in good way. The most significant changes is when I listen to the rock, example Metallica... All the instruments are in order, very clear and distinguisable. I turned the volume up... Wow.. just a good sound flowed into my ears... no stress at all. I don't feel any 'ringing' (bingit) at all after listened to for quite long period of time.
Thank you.

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Rm130 is nice man smile.gif but The curve is a little bit far for me... Any audiologist in Plaza Low Yat or Time Square tongue.gif I was hoping that you would say you did it there jus now ~.~
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Simple...
Goto yellowpages.com.my and search for 'audiologist' or 'hearing aids' smile.gif


Here is one of the Sountex's branch in Starhill.
Kuala Lumpur
Starhill Gallery
Lot S1, 2nd Floor
Jalan Bukit Bintang
55100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel +60 3 21448722
Email : starhill@sountex.com

Good luck

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Aug 3 2009, 11:37 PM)
Simple...
Goto yellowpages.com.my and search for 'audiologist' or 'hearing aids' smile.gif
Here is one of the Sountex's branch in Starhill.
Kuala Lumpur
Starhill Gallery
Lot S1, 2nd Floor
Jalan Bukit Bintang
55100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel +60 3 21448722
Email : starhill@sountex.com

Good luck
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how much does this awesome thing cost in malaysia?
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Awesome thing? Which one? UM3Xs or the custome sleeves ? smile.gif
I think most the infos are in the thread.
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Nice IEM. I like IEM from Westone. The design is jus nice..
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QUOTE(egyprince @ Oct 4 2010, 10:17 AM)
Nice IEM. I like IEM from Westone. The design is jus nice..
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I love the design of W3, but not UM3x, the UM3x doesn't LOOK very high end, yet it does SOUND like one xD
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Yup, agreed. for USD300 IEMs, UM3Xs do look 'cheapish' and plasticky. In real life, they are small. BTW, it is not the looks that counts, but, it's sound signature.
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Does the UM3x have bass impact?
I'm listening to a BA IEM right now and missing the bass thump of a dynamic.
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UM3X is very analytical and good in almost every aspect. Very neutral.

W3 is less transparent, but has better bass and more fun to listen to
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tunertoobe, then you should aim for a bassier IEM. Maybe IE8 or w3
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Bass impact..... smile.gif .... It is. the basiest IEMs in my collection. It is not the basshead IEMs, but, the bass iis solid and punchy.
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I like hearing details. It's so relaxing hearing all them sparkly cymbals and piano and stuff.
But many of my collections are rock and metal. Listening to them without the bass massaging my ears seems pointless and doesn't seem to fit the mood of the music. Does EQing help with the UM3x?


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QUOTE(walabies @ Oct 4 2010, 05:58 PM)
tunertoobe, then you should aim for a bassier IEM. Maybe IE8 or w3
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Was thinking more towards dynamics. Futuresonics is out as they may become too bassy for me. The Radius DDM is another(and currently sits at second place under the UM3x), but afraid that it might not fit well. The IE8 and W3 is too expensive and not sure they have the balance that I want.

The only other option is headphones.

Also what puts ,me off is that it only comes with comply foam tips. I sorta accepted that when confirming my order for next year. But after looking at it again, kind of a hassle, and non sharing friendly. My friends love to hear my rig. laugh.gif

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Did I hear balanced? And IE8 is too expensive? xD Read on the reviews of Senn IE7, it's balanced and it's way cheaper than IE8 and PM me if you want to get it cheaper than market price tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Oct 4 2010, 06:48 PM)
Did I hear balanced? And IE8 is too expensive? xD Read on the reviews of Senn IE7, it's balanced and it's way cheaper than IE8 and PM me if you want to get it cheaper than market price tongue.gif
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Haha, I did no doubt, but what I'm saying is true isn't it? Ppl always go for IE7 when they feel that the bass of IE8 is too much, the IE7 has balanced, or natural sound in another way of speaking, so yea, it pretty much fits his requirement.
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consider e-q7 as well,, it has good tonal balance..
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hey guys, selling my um3x.... quite new. working perfectly! biggrin.gif PM me if interested, just gonna upgrade to W4 ehehe smile.gif oh and female user... so i guess that makes the earphones in good condition? hhaha idk.. just pm. and offer me biggrin.gif thanks.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Oct 4 2010, 05:38 PM)
Does the UM3x have bass impact?
I'm listening to a BA IEM right now and missing the bass thump of a dynamic.
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Go for the UM2 perhaps?
It has a lot stronger bass compared to UM1 and UM3x, although you might miss some of the clarity though.
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Oct 4 2010, 07:27 PM)
Haha, I did no doubt, but what I'm saying is true isn't it? Ppl always go for IE7 when they feel that the bass of IE8 is too much, the IE7 has balanced, or natural sound in another way of speaking, so yea, it pretty much fits his requirement.
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IE7 is definitely at dark, warm signature, sennheiser is stubborn on changing their house signature, this will be what sennheiser sounds like.

 

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