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post Jul 3 2009, 09:54 AM

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Hi everyone.

Have a question to post for my colleague.

She has passed papers F1-F9 n is now taking exams for P1-finish...
However, she did not apply to opt for the OBU degree n now is stuck in the middle with no degree nor ACCA.

Do u guys know of any other colleges/unis that offer the option of obtaining an exemption to getting a degree?

She has tried appealing to ACCA Malaysia n UK but to no avail.

Thx in advance for all forms of advice.


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i have a good friend who took p7 attending goh hong lim at sunway last sem and he say good. but i attended goh hong lim f8 and shela 2.6 before and this is what i think. for sheila 2.6, she will just give you her bulky notes and will not encourage you to ask question as she thinks asking question will make you 'confuse'. and after that i promise myself will not attend any of her class again. for goh hong lim f8, i think he is the kind of person that like to make simple things complicated, and also the kind of person that will answer students question base on what he like to say rather than base on what students ask. i feel he is also an unethical person because when he taught audit risk in the class, he told us that he will not teach like what he did in the seminars because it will be seen to be too simple for the professionals that attend the seminar, and he will make things more complicated in the seminar. how can a person who teach ethics (p1), have such an unethical idea? this is also the reason i choose only p4 and p5 and avoid p7 where there is no recommended lecturer.
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post Jul 3 2009, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(eruannwen @ Jul 3 2009, 09:54 AM)
Hi everyone.

Have a question to post for my colleague.

She has passed papers F1-F9 n is now taking exams for P1-finish...
However, she did not apply to opt for the OBU degree n now is stuck in the middle with no degree nor ACCA.

Do u guys know of any other colleges/unis that offer the option of obtaining an exemption to getting a degree?

She has tried appealing to ACCA Malaysia n UK but to no avail.

Thx in advance for all forms of advice.
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If I'm not mistake, last time during I attend Choong Kwai Fatt 3.2 in SEGI, got people come to ask us for study Degree course. He said since we already passed up to 2.5/2.6 (means F7/F8), we can have option to exempt a lot of papers for the degree course and just spend another 6 to 9 months, then can get Degree.

But for me, that's no point for this option since I already in Part 3 of ACCA. If choose to go Degree, why no go earlier and now is Prof Level of ACCA, convert to Degree is waste.

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post Jul 3 2009, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jul 3 2009, 11:16 AM)
If I'm not mistake, last time during I attend Choong Kwai Fatt 3.2 in SEGI, got people come to ask us for study Degree course. He said since we already passed up to 2.5/2.6 (means F7/F8), we can have option to exempt a lot of papers for the degree course and just spend another 6 to 9 months, then can get Degree.

But for me, that's no point for this option since I already in Part 3 of ACCA. If choose to go Degree, why no go earlier and now is Prof Level of ACCA, convert to Degree is waste.
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Cos she feels she can't pass her ACCA...so she wants to consider other options.

Without ACCA, she only has form 5...or partial ACCA (part 2).
Hardly sufficient to get a decent job if she wants to leave the current job.

Applicants with degrees have better chances.
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post Jul 3 2009, 11:39 AM

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Is July Intake begin ?
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post Jul 3 2009, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Suk @ Jul 3 2009, 11:39 AM)
Is July Intake begin ?
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Some classes started on Wednesday lo!
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post Jul 3 2009, 11:46 AM

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Going to start my class for F2 tonight @ Kasturi!! I'm a newbie @@
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Followed by friend to go ksa-forr this sitting, Philp woo' s p1 reduced from 20 class to ONLY 16 class !!! shocking.gif shakehead.gif Maybe Taylor pffer attractive benefit further compare with KSA...hahaha... cool2.gif
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post Jul 3 2009, 01:41 PM

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The ones benefiting are students and lecturers.

Obviously it means more pay for them, and also less hassle for us students since we do not have to go KL (with the exception of Sunway, since it's been there for ages)
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post Jul 3 2009, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(ccjj1234 @ Jul 3 2009, 11:47 AM)
Followed by friend to go ksa-forr this sitting, Philp woo' s p1  reduced from 20 class to  ONLY 16 class !!! shocking.gif  shakehead.gif Maybe Taylor pffer attractive benefit further compare with KSA...hahaha... cool2.gif
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If I'm not mistake, Philip Woo class normally 7 hours. So after calculate, more or less will be around 18 class.

Ha Ha, student no need to worry too much la. As long as he can finish the syllabus, should be ok la.
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post Jul 3 2009, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(fastandfurious @ Jul 2 2009, 11:41 PM)
btw, any1 here took P6 under Miss Kok from sunway? Is she reliable? If she's not reliable then im considering to take p6 as extra tuition at kolej bandar from chin ann. But I'm wondering is it really beneficial to go for classes under 2 different lecturers for p6? Any help wud be appreciated! Btw let's leave $$ matter aside. I have to pass this sem T_T.

And.. is sheila john the best lecturer available for P7? Wht shld i be aware of if I take P7 from her? thxx..
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Last sitting my frends from sunway attended alan yeo class st ksa and commented that he know how to simply tax issues. Easy to understanf. For P6 check examiners articles.
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post Jul 3 2009, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(fastandfurious @ Jul 1 2009, 02:10 AM)
I've attended P3 classes for IRC from Parmindar, 2months ++ classes from Marcus and 1 whole sem with Dinesh. So I might be able to ans some of ur queries if you intend to take p3 from either of the aforementioned lecturers.

Parmindar : Through his IRC I can quickly tell his lectures are very interesting and not boring. His notes are made such that it's easy to read and understand. Lots of acronyms to remember, lots of names to remember lots of examples. If you can put all those bombastic words n examples he gave in class in ur final exam, they could separate u from the rest of the students. Well I didn't attend his normal classes so can't comment much but judging from his IRC, his lectures are seriously not bad at all. Very easy to absorb what he taught.

Marcus : His analysis of questions is extremely good. He can really drill a concept(for certain areas only like for Q1) in ur head really good and his lectures are very very entertaining. However, he spent too much time on PESTEL/FIVE FORCES/VALUE CHAIN ETC and he goes through the last few chapters very fast and there were a lot of students complaining about his pace & his notes are quite messy. When he teaches something he skips here and there. At times, his lectures are very confusing. I'm not sure if he changed his way of lecturing. He has this framework for answering Q1 on "analysis of current position" which is extremely good. You get to practise a lot of questions under him.

Dinesh : His notes are good & quite complete(exception of HR topic) but at times freaking hard to understand(When I compare his notes to parmindar's notes i rather read parmindar's) . His lectures are freaking boring as  he basically lectures according to the words in the notes. Somewhat doing direct reading. IMO, avoid this lecturer.

Basically P3 requires u to do a lot of questions. You can do PYQ and have a grasp of the paper(you'll really feel like u can nail the paper after doing 2002-2008, no joke). It would probably help if you attend classes from 1 lecturer and get notes from other lecturers (particularly parmindar's IRC notes). In the final exam though, you won't really have the time to write all the fancy examples you've learnt in class but they all formed part of your foundation & understanding. If you can write like bullets coming out from a machine gun, sure u'll hav all the time in world eh? smile.gif . As for my personal choice, I would choose Parmindar among the 3. But I believe Michael would be the best. Phillip - no comment. But according some friends, his IRC was better than parmindar coz parmindar basically re-teach everything only.

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Thanks Fast & furious. So frank.

1. I tort final level is so important, how can SY give lecturer Mr Dinesh that does direct reading as lectures?
2. Mr Parminder got case studies to use to illustrate. use USA companies to illustrate. take examples, studnets then well read. all rounder.
3. Mr Marcus analysis of current position questions are extremely good and practise lots of questions.
4. Mr Michael Manwaring is believed to be the Best.

IMO: I think Sunway always got confidence that their system is very good. so any lecturers will do. How old are lecturers in years experience teaching versus other tuition providers? Sunway's lecturers are very young, some just finish acca and now teaching or just started teaching a new paper like F5. Ithought they are in the industry many years, how come lecturers relatively so new in the teaching industry? How is the good Sunway system different from KSA or for that matter INTI?

Probably why my friends think no need hassle to change colleges. Sunway just give us what is needed to pass. ANy opinions? SInce under other lecturers also not guarantee pass. Maybe should not use 'guarantee'. maybe less risky to study in Sunway.

I just want to pass. Can help me be more objective-mided? share yr opinions.

This post has been edited by MegRyan: Jul 3 2009, 06:02 PM
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post Jul 3 2009, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jul 3 2009, 03:45 PM)
If I'm not mistake, Philip Woo class normally 7 hours. So after calculate, more or less will be around 18 class.

Ha Ha, student no need to worry too much la. As long as he can finish the syllabus, should be ok la.
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yawn.gif No, its only 6 hr, not 7 hr lah.... rolleyes.gif Parminder singh p1 class is still keep 20 class.

By the way, Yesterday I also saw Parminder singh sat in inside his car: Walah, So......... drool.gif drool.gif blush.gif
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post Jul 3 2009, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 3 2009, 01:47 AM)
During my last sitting tax class I had known some sunway students taking under chin ann & a brief stint at CKF class. If you are only taking 2 optional paper for that sitting its quite ok but everyone knows what happened at sunway after that. Since tax syllabus is quite wide & practice a lot of assumptions most lecturer have differing views. Tax has the most contradicting views on syllabus content & the examiner has to notify in articles constantly. Thats why you can have multiple solutions to an answer.

Since this is Sheila first P7 class I am not sure what to expect.
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Yea I just attended my first Miss Kok class today. She is fine but I'm not sure if she's the only source i can/will rely on. Thx for solving the "puzzle" for me. No wonder there wasnt any comment on Sheila teaching P7 lol. @ rollercoaster i feel like taking P6 at kasturi but the timetable clash with my current paper heh.. thx for teh replies guys.
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post Jul 3 2009, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(MegRyan @ Jul 3 2009, 04:45 PM)
Thanks Fast & furious. So frank.

1. I tort final level is so important, how can SY give lecturer Mr Dinesh that does direct reading as lectures?
2. Mr Parminder got case studies to use to illustrate. use USA companies to illustrate. take examples, studnets then well read. all rounder.
3. Mr Marcus analysis of current position questions are extremely good and practise lots of questions.
4. Mr Michael Manwaring is believed to be the Best.

IMO: I think Sunway always got confidence that their system is very good. so any lecturers will do. How old are lecturers in years experience teaching versus other tuition providers? Sunway's lecturers are very young, some just finish acca and now teaching or just started teaching a new paper like F5. Ithought they are in the industry many years, how come lecturers relatively so new in the teaching industry? How is the good Sunway system different from KSA or for that matter INTI?

Probably why my friends think no need hassle to change colleges. Sunway just give us what is needed to pass. ANy opinions? SInce under other lecturers also not guarantee pass. Maybe should not use 'guarantee'. maybe less risky to study in Sunway.

I just want to pass. Can help me be more objective-mided? share yr opinions.
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First of all the philosophy of both centre is vastly different from one another.
Centres like KSA & Mco operates like the Uk system where they practice the "adult learning" instead of student learning.
There wont be any homework & even if there are, no one will bother if you dont finish it.
The lecturers will treat you like an adult where you can sms, sleep, eat or drink, or do anything you wish as long as you dont bother anyone in class. To put it simply only disciplined students or adults can flourished under such system since there is no one to regulate / control how you learn in class.
How you study depends 100% on you.
This system is very similar to UK training system.

Sunway is quite the opposite.
You can define them as a centre that specialises to drill students to perfection through sheer hardwork & practice.
They will analyse everything for you & give countless drills, mocks, trials, homework or practice to minimize the possiblity of failure & increase the chance of success in the process. I think ms Menon is perfect example of such system where students normally have 12 hours class every week.
If you are the type of agrresive student with no-nonsense attitude I think sunway will be suitable to hone your "enthusiasm" on it.
Imagine those chinese schools that constantly give extra tuition to students (a sunway friend told me this analogy since he doesnt like the hectic environment)
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QUOTE(help me please @ Jul 3 2009, 10:58 AM)
i have a good friend who took p7 attending goh hong lim at sunway last sem and he say good. but i attended goh hong lim f8 and shela 2.6 before and this is what i think. for sheila 2.6, she will just give you her bulky notes and will not encourage you to ask question as she thinks asking question will make you 'confuse'. and after that i promise myself will not attend any of her class again. for goh hong lim f8, i think he is the kind of person that like to make simple things complicated, and also the kind of person that will answer students question base on what he like to say rather than base on what students ask. i feel he is also an unethical person because when he taught audit risk in the class, he told us that he will not teach like what he did in the seminars because it will be seen to be too simple for the professionals that attend the seminar, and he will make things more complicated in the seminar. how can a person who teach ethics (p1), have such an unethical idea? this is also the reason i choose only p4 and p5 and avoid p7 where there is no recommended lecturer.
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r u sure mr goh teach f8?
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post Jul 4 2009, 09:06 AM

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i know Mr goh teaches P1. he gives many seminars to outside professionals. interact with working world may be ok to keep in touch what is happening to the working world.


Added on July 4, 2009, 9:12 am
QUOTE(help me please @ Jul 3 2009, 10:58 AM)
i have a good friend who took p7 attending goh hong lim at sunway last sem and he say good. but i attended goh hong lim f8 and shela 2.6 before and this is what i think. for sheila 2.6, she will just give you her bulky notes and will not encourage you to ask question as she thinks asking question will make you 'confuse'. and after that i promise myself will not attend any of her class again. for goh hong lim f8, i think he is the kind of person that like to make simple things complicated, and also the kind of person that will answer students question base on what he like to say rather than base on what students ask. i feel he is also an unethical person because when he taught audit risk in the class, he told us that he will not teach like what he did in the seminars because it will be seen to be too simple for the professionals that attend the seminar, and he will make things more complicated in the seminar. how can a person who teach ethics (p1), have such an unethical idea? this is also the reason i choose only p4 and p5 and avoid p7 where there is no recommended lecturer.
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I've got two sources biggrin.gif recommended F8 lecturers:

Kuala Lumpur area : KSA College Mr Philip Woo, heard he talks like jet plane but you learn a lot. useful also for working life. He gives notes and expects you to read them thoroughly. he also insists that you do a lot of work independently so that you can reinforce your own preparation for the exams. Bear in mind, he travels all the way from Singapore. I am sure he got 'liao' cool2.gif [useful ingredients of lecturer]

Sunway/Subang : Inti College Mr Marcus Ong, he taught last year dec 2008 siting in Sunway college [was his last semester there]. they liked his step by step approach. tricky paper but broken into rational/logical steps. use exam questions-focused approach. Hard core failures [like attempted up to 3 times! I know i feel pain for my fellow classmates too] able to finally passed. they attended under him one time only. but i am sure these candidates worked hard too. so credit also goes to students.

I hope its helpful. Both lecturers teach P1 and P3 also. icon_rolleyes.gif

But worth noting:

Sunway town : Sunway college F8 lecturer Ms Kiran. Heard she is strict and disciplined smile.gif . Good for studnets who cannot focus. at f-level, perhaps many students still not mature or serious. they are not focused, so Ms Kiran use a disciplinarian style. u may not able to stomach it but hey, she has Many many studnets in her class!! you can't argue with that fact!! and i said many, many. i believe they must prefer her class, otherwise why would they attend?! logical audit evidence wink.gif if they can, so can you. she also got prize winners for this paper.

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post Jul 4 2009, 12:53 PM

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the acca website has been updated recently..
i cant find those previous past exam papers (under old syllabus)
then my practice questions will be limited.. =(
Had they removed everything relevant to the old syllabus?
help pls..
thx a lot =)
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post Jul 4 2009, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(help me please @ Jul 3 2009, 10:58 AM)
i have a good friend who took p7 attending goh hong lim at sunway last sem and he say good. but i attended goh hong lim f8 and shela 2.6 before and this is what i think. for sheila 2.6, she will just give you her bulky notes and will not encourage you to ask question as she thinks asking question will make you 'confuse'. and after that i promise myself will not attend any of her class again. for goh hong lim f8, i think he is the kind of person that like to make simple things complicated, and also the kind of person that will answer students question base on what he like to say rather than base on what students ask. i feel he is also an unethical person because when he taught audit risk in the class, he told us that he will not teach like what he did in the seminars because it will be seen to be too simple for the professionals that attend the seminar, and he will make things more complicated in the seminar. how can a person who teach ethics (p1), have such an unethical idea? this is also the reason i choose only p4 and p5 and avoid p7 where there is no recommended lecturer.
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Yeah I know he teaches P1 and P7 in sunway ..but F8? I beg to differ from ur opinion that he is an unethical person. Most of the students under him will say that he is very ethical. He enters the class mostly on time, he never let us off early(occassionally late), he makes use of the 3 hours(15mins break) class 100%. He is an extremely dedicated lecturer hence he's always fully booked by students who want to do OBU. If there's any problem with him it might be his style of lecturing. It's boring most of the time (reading from the notes,explanations and then jotting down some simpler explanations beside the paragraphs for students who are weak in english?). Not sure about his P7 but my friends said his style is the same as well. Since you guys said Sheila is good I'm going to register for her classes soon b4 tuesday. I hope she does a better job at making the subject interesting and relevant to the exam. But topace said it's her first sem so im terribly worrieed now shakehead.gif Btw, no one mentions abt p7 at SEGI or INTI ? O.o

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Hey guys, need your help badly here.

I want to know what are the precise dates for CAT exam T6/7/8/9 for the December 2009. I've checked in the acca web site but didn't find anything.

Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. biggrin.gif

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