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Travel Club LYN Japan V2, 日本へようこそ!, Here we are! Nihon Yokoso!

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post Nov 2 2009, 02:06 AM

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Accommodation review

Khaosan Tokyo Ninja

Type of room : 16 Cabin Bed Dormitory
Rates : 2800 Yen Per Bed
Location : Asakusabashi
Nearest train station(s) : Bakurocho and Asakusabashi

+ You get to lock your cabin bed with locks provided
+ Every dormitory bed gets a free to use locker
+ Choose lower bed if possible, especially if you have a lot of luggage

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Type of room : 4 Bed Private Room
Rates : 3000 Yen Per Bed
Location : Asakusabashi
Nearest train station(s) : Bakurocho and Asakusabashi

+ They don't clean or tidy up the room during your continuous stay, awesome for privacy and security
- Pretty dim light, not very good for reading

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+ Very clean and comfortable bathrooms and toilets
+ No curfew, just remember the code to open the main doors
+ Nice living room with LCD TV, Wii and some magazines
+ Coin operated laundry 10 meter outside the premise
+ Awesome Japanese kitchen for you to prepare your food
+ Free 2 slice of bread for breakfast every morning
+ Very friendly English speaking staffs. Say hi to Eri-san
+ We use JR Chuo Sobu Line more than JR Yamanote Line, so, it is a plus point compared to other Khaosan Tokyo branches

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Free Internet
Awesome kitchen
Free Food
Visitors Photos
Bag dropping zone
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post Nov 2 2009, 02:10 AM

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Hotel Laurel

Type of room : Love Hotel
Rates : 8700 Yen Per Room
Location : Dogenzaka, Shibuya
Nearest train station(s) : Shibuya

+ Probably one of the few rabuho that accept non-couple customer
+ Turn out to be the cheapest accomodation if you cram the bed with 3 or more people
+ Pretty late check out 11am and check in at 10pm works out nicely for us
+ Private toilet and bathroom with bathtub
+ Very spacious compared to other type of Japanese accommodation
+ You can actually get out of your room after checking in
+ Yukata for use is provided
- Nothing really special, except free condom as courtesy and some Japanese adult channel
- Non-exotic theme, very plain

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post Nov 2 2009, 02:12 AM

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Accommodation review

Hotel Siesta

Type of room : Capsule Hotel
Rates : 3300 Yen Per Bed
Location : Ebisu
Nearest train station(s) : Ebisu

+ Authentic, capsule design. Entrance from the front, not the side
+ Small locker provided
+ Public and private bathroom
+ Yukata for use is provided
- The TV provided does not have sound out for headphones
- The capsule entrance only closed with some kind of curtain, no security at all
- That makes it not sound proof, and you can hear Japanese snoring all night long
- Some Japanese adult channel provided as well, so, you could hear what your neighbours watching



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post Nov 2 2009, 02:26 AM

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Accommodation review

Ryokan Kangetsu

Type of room : Ryokan for 4 Beds
Rates : 22000 Yen Per Deluxe Room
Location : Chidoricho
Nearest train station(s) : Chidoricho

+ Awesome ryokan, feels very authentic and old school
+ Very nicely design to create a nice atmosphere
+ Superb facilities like massage chair, reading room, living room and coin operated laundry
+ Two types of public bath, indoor and outdoor
+ Very clean and comfortable bathroom and toilet, the bathroom is superbly designed with old school bathtub
+ Yukata for use is provided
+ They sell some really cheap used products as souvenirs
+ Very friendly English speaking staffs
- Pretty far away from city areas

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Public bath entrance
Cheap souvenirs
Awesome bathroom
Very comfortable yukata
Very unique reception
One of the few non-wall view for a Japanese window in Tokyo
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post Nov 2 2009, 02:28 AM

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Andon Ryokan

Type of room : Ryokan for 2 Beds
Rates : 8190 Yen Per Twin/Double Room
Location : Minowa
Nearest train station(s) : Minowa

+ Very modern and nicely designed ryokan
+ Awesome facilities like luggage lift, kitchen and coin operated laundry
+ Very friendly English speaking staffs. Say hi to Kayo-san
+ Very clean and comfortable bathrooms and toilets

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post Nov 2 2009, 02:33 AM

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GeraGera Internet and Comic Cafe

Type of room : Internet & Comic Cafe
Rates : 1570 Per 7 hours Package
Location : Shinjuku
Nearest train station(s) : Shinjuku

+ Few types of room/cubicle to choose from
+ Cheapest accommodation options in Tokyo
+ Lots of mangas and some magazines
+ Games and movies available for rental
+ Free refills of drinks, soft drink and coffee
- Shower cost extra 300 Yen
- Could be pretty hot at night, depends whether your cubicle is near to the air conditioner or not

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heterosapien: Thanks a lot for taking the time to write and post the reviews! I think this is really invaluable information for those who are looking forward to visit Japan.

tanoshi: Please copy the quote below and add it to the first thread so that others may benefit from this.

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Dear heterosapiens,
Saya mewakili members of LYN in Japan mengucapkan berbanyak terima kasih atas sumbangan gambar2 terbaru dan juga itinerari terkini di Jepun untuk dikongsi bersama dengan members LYN sebagai rujukan!
Terima kasih sekali lagi...
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thumbup.gif Thanks bro! notworthy.gif

another credit for you is, CAKAP SERUPA BIKIN! notworthy.gif

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post Nov 2 2009, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(heterosapiens @ Nov 1 2009, 04:13 PM)
Aloha guys,

Sorry for taking quite some time to post this. I'm catching up with reality. Here's few things to share about my trip.

Group count : 4 person, all male.
Duration of the trip: 25/09/2009 - 05/10/2009 (11 days, 10 nights)
Flight : JAL (RM1580 return, bought from J-Horizons)
Overall itinerary budget : RM4500

Day 0 - 24/09/2009 Friday ------- Flight from KLIA
- We are all damn anxious for the trip. Celcom mobile phone lines was down. 3 of us are using Celcom, could not call each other.
- Our group split to two, 3 and 1. So, we couldn't contact the last guy.
- Happens to be he couldn't board the flight because of PTPTN problem.
- I almost miss my flight because I run back to the Immigration counter, to ask them about him.
- Flight was delayed for 15 minutes, probably because his luggage was checked-in.
- In the flight it, all of us are puzzled of what just happen. But determine to make the best of this dream trip.
- JAL flight is awesome.

Day 1 - 25/09/2009 Friday ------- Mitaka + Roppongi
- Arrived sharp at 7.00am in the morning.
- We were questioned by patrol police at the airport, after 15 minutes trying to make phone call to Malaysia at the phone booth.
- Took Keisei Oshiage Line + Toei Asakusa line to Asakusabashi. Took around 1 hour 30 minutes.
- Drop our luggage at Khaosan Tokyo Ninja.
- Straight to Mitaka, for Studio Ghibli. First floor is like a heaven. Super duper awesome, a must for all tourist who watch anime.
- Head back to Akabanebashi for Tokyo Tower. We just took pictures underneath Tokyo Tower.
- Walk to Roppongi. Asked for some direction. A girl was asking are we really sure want to walk to Roppongi, because it is not exactly that near. lol.
- Shop at Don Quijote. 2 of us bought Softbank keitai for 16K Yen (with 6K prepaid) with passport only. It took like 2 hours to get it done, a lot of customers.
- Walk around Roppongi area. Took pictures at tourist spots.
- We went for Tokyo City View at Mori Tower. Awesome view, but we missed the Sky Deck view.

Day 2 - 26/09/2009 Saturday ------- Nakano + Akihabara
- Too tired and woke up pretty late, we changed plan.
- Nakano Broadway for the old school Akiba-like place. Specific shop we went is Trio 2.
- At night we went to Akiba, and was surprised that most shops closed around 7-8pm.

Day 3 - 27/09/2009 Sunday ------- Chiba
- Tokyo Game Show day.
- We arrived at Makuhari Messe around 8.00am and queue and manage to enter the halls at 10am.
- That's when we realize the 'queuing while standing' prowess among Japanese people.
- Awesome event, we bought a lot of t-shirts and get 1 for free from Ubisoft, for queuing up for their new games.
- Found out that Japanese with roller bags are mostly cosplayers.

Day 4 - 28/09/2009 Monday ------- Ueno + Asakusa
- Take pictures at Kaminarimon Gate and Sensoji Temple.
- There's a lot of Japanese school kids visitors as well.
- Asakusa is a tourist trap. Bought a lot of Japanese clothings, kimono, yukata, jinbei, haori and etc.
- Good place to buy souvenirs, a lot of choices.
- Next we went to Ueno Park, took pictures.
- Walk to Tokyo University, (Todai) and took pictures there.
- Went to Tokyo Dome City, but it was 1 hour before closing, so, we postponed it in another day.

Day 5 - 29/09/2009 Tuesday ------- Odaiba
- We went to Tsukiji Fish Market.
- Although we missed the first train. Thankfully there are not that many tourist for the tuna auction session.
- We had our breakfast at Umai Sushikan. The staffs do speak some English.
- Awesome experience, a must for all tourist japanese food lovers.
- Next is to Odaiba island area.
- First stop is Panasonic Center Tokyo (RiSuPia). Very cool and innovative museum/center.
- Went to Toyota Mega Web, Palette Town, Odaiba Decks and etc.
- Last but not least is Sega Joypolis. Awesome arcade experience, a must for gamers. Most attractions are meant for pairs.

Day 6 - 30/09/2009 Wednesday ------- Shibuya + Harajuku
- Today we start to be nomad travellers, hopping from 1 accomodation to another. Bad choice, as our loots are getting heavier daily.
- Thankfully, a friend of mine who lives nearby Yoyogi area helped us by allowing us to drop our luggage at his house.
- Walk around Harajuku area, Omotesando and also Shibuya.
- We stay somewhere in Dogenzaka street, a rabuho called Hotel Laurel.

Day 7 - 01/10/2009 Thursday ------- Akihabara
- Another change of plan, as we have a tour guide from my friend who frequents Akiba quite a bit.
- Get into an arcade building and spent around 2 hours there.
- Shop at Messe Sanoh, for doujin stuffs.
- Shop at Animate, Mandarake, and etc.
- Check-in to Siesta Capsule Hotel in Ebisu.

Day 8 - 02/10/2009 Friday ------- Akihabara + Tokyo Dome City
- Another round of shopping session at Akiba.
- At night we manage to go to Tokyo Dome City.
- Although it was drizzling, thankfully the attractions are not closed down.
- We took Thunder Dolphin 2 times, super awesome. Note : 2nd time for a better picture.
- We stayed at Ryokan Kangetsu in Chidoricho.

Day 9 - 03/10/2009 Friday ------- Nakano + Shinjuku + Akihabara
- We actually queue up before Trio 2 at Nakano Broadway opens their shop. With like-minded Japanese people.
- Then we head straight to Shinjuku.
- We went to Japanese Sword Museum, very small, awesome but cannot take pictures.
- Take pictures at LOVE sculpture and walk around Shinjuku.
- Then, we head to Akiba for some maid-cafe experience at @Home 7th floor.
- We stayed at Andon Ryokan in Minowa.

Day 10 - 04/10/2009 Friday ------- Ikebukuro + Yokosuka + Shinjuku
- We had lunch at Malaychan in Ikebukuro, seems to be pretty popular with the locals there.
- Then we went to Morning Musume Nine Smile Concert at Yokosuka. Super duper awesome!
- We stayed at an internet cafe in Shinjuku.

Day 11 - 04/10/2009 Saturday ------- Flight from Narita
- We almost missed our flight again, had to run to the furthest gate in Narita Airport Terminal 2. Gate 77.

Group in Tokyo : 3 person
Total money spent : RM8000
Pictures taken : 3606 files (14.8GB)
Videos taken : 81 files (13.6GB)

AWESOME trip!!!

*Specific reviews for accomodation, trivia points coming up later.
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GONNA SAVE HARDER TO GET MYSELF TO JAPAN

Are you going to share more pic? drool.gif

THANKS FOR YOUR SHARING


Added on November 2, 2009, 4:37 pm
QUOTE(heterosapiens @ Nov 1 2009, 10:43 PM)
Not inclusive flight tickets. That's another RM1.5K.

Thankfully, we check-in the bags together, else mine would probably exceed the weight limits.

Awesome experience, will definitely go again. I have videos of them too. More female audience than what I was expecting.

Funny thing is that, he did check it 1 month before the flight while doing his passport, and from what he said, he was barred a week before the flight date.

Ouch, without tax. SGD528 is around RM1320, still cheap, but definitely as good as the past JAL promo at RM1350 departing from KLIA instead of Singapore.
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hey

your flight ticket that you got was only RM1580 for return trip including tax? It was really cheap!

I have checked MAS, easily RM2500 for KUL -> Narita and return trip.

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post Nov 2 2009, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Nov 1 2009, 06:26 PM)
RM8000 is inclusive of accom,flight,food and shopping eh? anyone exceed the weight limit?
how was the concert? did you see any bunch of group perform warmup for the concert? laugh.gif

hm...your friend with PTPTN problem, that's too bad. should be a checklist for those planning to fly. Tanoshi, please on the mainpage!

@erictan,
the flight ticket price is impressive....Current MAS - SIN to NRT promo is from SGD398 for travelling now until June 2010.... i searched for
depart : 23 FEB
SIN - KUL - TOKYO : SGD131

return : 1st March
NRT - KUL - SIN : SGD131

but, price with tax : SGD528. but
if u take flight from KUL - NRT and NRT - KUL, flight cost is RM2518.00. wtff.....  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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try to check other date, sure can get sgd398 nett( include taxes). i got my ticket dep: 21/12,rtn: 4/01.

if you got this sgd 398, dont need to check any other airline......guarantee is the cheapest........
and it is MAS, not budget air.


Added on November 2, 2009, 4:49 pmactually for those intend to go tokyo, try to surf some japan web site, you can get a hotel room with attached bathroom below 6000yen per room ( for 2 persons )......much better than those b & b or hostel.

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QUOTE(erictan26 @ Nov 2 2009, 04:45 PM)
try to check other date, sure can get sgd398 nett( include taxes). i got my ticket dep: 21/12,rtn: 4/01.

if you got this sgd 398, dont need to check any other airline......guarantee is the cheapest........
and it is MAS, not budget air.


Added on November 2, 2009, 4:49 pmactually for those intend to go tokyo, try to surf some japan web site, you can get a hotel room with attached bathroom below 6000yen per room ( for 2 persons )......much better than those b & b or hostel.
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japan website? I can't read japanese cry.gif
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QUOTE(erictan26 @ Nov 2 2009, 04:45 PM)

Added on November 2, 2009, 4:49 pmactually for those intend to go tokyo, try to surf some japan web site, you can get a hotel room with attached bathroom below 6000yen per room ( for 2 persons )......much better than those b & b or hostel.
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Actually, I've yet to come across this... do you have any suggestions which site has such offers?
I know that it might be possible if you're taking a package but I don't think I've actually seen just room package with a good deal like you just mentioned.

If you have a specific site to suggest; we can all benefit from it. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(erictan26 @ Nov 2 2009, 04:45 PM)
try to check other date, sure can get sgd398 nett( include taxes). i got my ticket dep: 21/12,rtn: 4/01.

if you got this sgd 398, dont need to check any other airline......guarantee is the cheapest........
and it is MAS, not budget air.


Added on November 2, 2009, 4:49 pmactually for those intend to go tokyo, try to surf some japan web site, you can get a hotel room with attached bathroom below 6000yen per room ( for 2 persons )......much better than those b & b or hostel.
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well, it is cheap, but how do we take flight from SIN-KUL-NRT? are we allowed to take the plane @ KUL instead? if yes, i guess i should be planning another trip soon next year! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

there are hotel cheaper...with ensuite bathroom for two, i.e
koiwa sky court hotel - but a little out of town.
oak hotel : JPY7500 - from instantworldbooking

but i've yet to found any hotel (not ryokan/b&b/dormitories) with JPY6000 for two pax.

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Nice review there heterosapiens !!

You've made my hands itchy, digging my wallet for next year's trip tongue.gif Right, keii-kun ? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(matt85 @ Nov 2 2009, 09:02 PM)
Nice review there heterosapiens !!

You've made my hands itchy, digging my wallet for next year's trip  tongue.gif Right, keii-kun ?  laugh.gif
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sou dayo~~! a trip to fuji would be nice yaa? brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
especially on the cheap RM900 ticket!!!
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Hi heterosapiens,

You are my man...damn good review on the staying part...at least now...i feel like going to Japan again....and stay on those places u have mention. Very informative indeed.

Thanks again... smile.gif
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this is chunted, Lyn member's in Japan:)
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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Nov 2 2009, 10:16 PM)
well, it is cheap, but how do we take flight from SIN-KUL-NRT? are we allowed to take the plane @ KUL instead? if yes, i guess i should be planning another trip soon next year!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

there are hotel cheaper...with ensuite bathroom for two, i.e
koiwa sky court hotel - but a little out of town.
oak hotel : JPY7500 - from instantworldbooking

but i've yet to found any hotel (not ryokan/b&b/dormitories) with JPY6000 for two pax.
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ehem ehem...bro u didnt check ya PM ka bro...I did ask your address to send lol! your 'barang seludup' please..
Cheers


Added on November 2, 2009, 10:14 pm
QUOTE(matt85 @ Nov 2 2009, 11:02 PM)
Nice review there heterosapiens !!

You've made my hands itchy, digging my wallet for next year's trip  tongue.gif Right, keii-kun ?  laugh.gif
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Hello Matt,
Just take it this way ok, next year you must 'balik kampung' dont pretend ok!
Your kampung is in Tokyo right? brows.gif


Added on November 2, 2009, 10:16 pm
QUOTE(zoakies @ Nov 2 2009, 11:14 PM)
Hi heterosapiens,

You are my man...damn good review on the staying part...at least now...i feel like going to Japan again....and stay on those places u have mention. Very informative indeed.

Thanks again... smile.gif
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alahhhh...u oso bro, next year must 'balik kampung' !!! everyone balik kampung Japan lah wehhh...this time lets make it great...(kita buat gathering depan Harajuku station, untung2 masuk TV hahaha)

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You are welcome guys, without the tips that you guys shared before this, probably my trip won't be as awesome as it was. So, let's keep the sharing attitude up and running. smile.gif

Done with the formal reviewing, let's talk about it in more casual way.

Out of the all the accomodations, the capsule hotel is one of the not so worth it IMHO. Why, there is no security, not sound proof at all. I would rather give this place a try next time. The worse part for me was to see naked guys walking around at the shower area. lol, I'm very new to public nudity thingy.

Out of the 2 ryokan I've stayed in, I would strongly recommend Ryokan Kangetsu, especially if you have the time to use their facilities. Andon Ryokan is cool to try, but definitely not as authentic as Kangetsu. The feeling of wearing yukata and dozing off into the futon is just amazing. Something like Nodame and her kotatsu.

One of the best part of our experience is for the rabuho, man... it was like mission impossible. We went and ask around 20 rabuho, and was rejected for all of it until Hotel Laurel obaasan who was kind enough to allow us to stay there. Here's how it goes, we know that most rabuho are not meant for group stay, only for couples. To add to the problem, we are all guys. So, everytime we go in and ask, here's how typical dialog would be :
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Us : Sumimasen, sannin ok?
Receptionist : Otoko onna?
Us : Sannin otoko
Receptionist : Dame!!! (Crossing their hands as the sign)
Us : Sumimasen (T_T).... _| ̄|○
They must have thought, these bunch of gaijins want to do nasty thing at their premise or something. If we are not tight on budget, we would probably have gone to the top ranked rabuho from this link.

If I go there again, surely will go for Khaosan Tokyo, either their new Samurai branch or Smile/Annex or maybe Ninja again, if Eri-san still there.

My personal rank would be :

1. Ryokan Kangetsu (if you can afford it, I would suggest to stay there for a minimum of 2-3 days to really use their facilities)
2. Khaosan Tokyo Ninja (super duper awesome, pretty much the same goes to other Khaosan Tokyo branches, perfect choice for a long stay)
3. Andon Ryokan (cool to try, but I wouldn't go for a long stay here)
4. Hotel Laurel (you definitely will be able to find nicer themed rabuho, if you are a normal couples that is)
5. Hotel Siesta (not recommended, although it is very authentic capsule hotel, to be tried once only)
6. GeraGera Internet & Comic Cafe (only go here if you are broke, or just to try it once only)

Here's a few trivia points :

1. In Tokyo, you can hardly find garbage bin, like seriously. Japanese bring home their garbage home and dispose it there. You can only find garbage bins at some vending machine, most konbini (convenience store) and probably your accommodation place.
2. Do not ask for direction from regular Japanese people, unless you want them to bring you there. Because they will take it as responsibility and a mission to accomplished. It is very hard to say it is ok/nevermind (daijobu), when they can't help it or they want to bring you there. Ask the police officers is a better choice.
3. It is very hard to find Japanese people who speak understandable English, except those who work in tourism industries.
4. Konbini in Tokyo will never run out small change, not like our beloved Malaysia. "No small change is it?"
5. Boxed fruit juice is the only product that I find it cheaper than Malaysia. Around 100 Yen or RM 3.90.
6. Japanese drinks do not have as much sugar as Malaysian drinks, except probably for Coca Cola.
7. The only foreign brand soft drink that is available at konbinis is Coca Cola.
8. There are a lot of school kids outside school area during school days.
9. A lot of shops do not allow you to take pictures in their premise. You need to ninja'em.
10. Japanese people probably have 3 hobbies, standing while queueing, mistook your umbrella as theirs at konbini and dragging trolley bag for their cosplay attire.
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QUOTE(heterosapiens @ Nov 2 2009, 10:33 PM)
Here's a few trivia points :

1. In Tokyo, you can hardly find garbage bin, like seriously. Japanese bring home their garbage home and dispose it there. You can only find garbage bins at some vending machine, most konbini (convenience store) and probably your accommodation place. TRUE
2. Do not ask for direction from regular Japanese people, unless you want them to bring you there. Because they will take it as responsibility and a mission to accomplished. It is very hard to say it is ok/nevermind (daijobu), when they can't help it or they want to bring you there. Ask the police officers is a better choice. TRUE
3. It is very hard to find Japanese people who speak understandable English, except those who work in tourism industries. TRUE
4. Konbini in Tokyo will never run out small change, not like our beloved Malaysia. "No small change is it?" Soooo TRUE
5. Boxed fruit juice is the only product that I find it cheaper than Malaysia. Around 100 Yen or RM 3.90. at konbini, yes. but if you to depato, fresh milk, choc milk is much cheaper. even cheaper than mineral water!
6. Japanese drinks do not have as much sugar as Malaysian drinks, except probably for Coca Cola.
7. The only foreign brand soft drink that is available at konbinis is Coca Cola.
8. There are a lot of school kids outside school area during school days.
9. A lot of shops do not allow you to take pictures in their premise. You need to ninja'em.
10. Japanese people probably have 3 hobbies, standing while queueing, mistook your umbrella as theirs at konbini and dragging trolley bag for their cosplay attire.
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well said and observed! thumbup.gif glad to hear your fruitful trip!!! very informative indeed!
abt you being new to public nudity scene maybe next time all of us could go to open onsen for a brain wash hahahaha thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

how's the momusu concert?

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