so i ask some advisor
some of them said that IPTS hv higher oppurtunity to work and some said that IPTA hv higher oppurtunity to work.

so what about you?what did u think about it?in your opinion which one has higher oppurtunity?

the one who can actually "do" the work and extra if come form a recommendable ipta/ipts....
if that ipta/ipts produce more reliable worker for their company, then that ipta/ipts will have a higher opportunity in their eye...
in the end, the manager don't want a worker that complain a lot, do less work and asked for a huge sum of paycheck...


just my 2cent....

This post has been edited by spitfire111: Mar 30 2009, 02:17 PM

Studying in either IPTS or IPTA won't compromised you a high pay even you are from top university/college. This is the matter how you promote yourself during the interview and how well your job performance during the work. Did you expect to get high salary without working on it??

The same question that i wanted to know. Somehow from what i see,every college offers different scholarship and offers to many overseas college...Practically IPTS can be obtained by most of the ppl compared to IPTA

To be honest, I dislike the subject conducted by IPTA because most of the subject were conducted in Malay Language and cause most of the student not ready to prepare themselves facing the actual business social. My friend were a top student in UPM, no doubt her CGPA 3.8xx but she can't even speak well in English during our private conversation. Sometime, doesn't involve ourselves in IPTA is not a bad thing.

I heard before about the statistic for unemployed graduate in Malaysia, most of them are from IPTA, only small amount from IPTS. But our media try to cover up by not letting the details statistic

This post has been edited by ron4: Mar 30 2009, 05:41 PM

IPTA sux. sorry but thats the truth. They make you join useless programs during the weekends that brings no help at all when applying for work. I've talked with some job interviewers and they approved that most of the graduates from IPTA's cant converse in english well(From various ppl including a talk from JPA job interviewer), thus rejected from the job. this is with the exception of UIAM(this is from Petronas human resource) because they require good english from student.

The key is english. I did not say that if you enter ipta u cant get a job, its that the chance is slimmer.

Peace

well it is quite wrong for u guy to blame the IPTA if ur english sucks right.. after all it is a language tat is up to u to pick up.. so wat if ur lecture is conducted in malay? how long do u stay in a lecture? 1-3 hour the most.. then u go bac to ur geng speaking chinese la.. hokien la.. cantonese la.. malay la... so who can u blame.. ? it is u urself.. even if the class is conducted in english.. how many of them will come out and speak english straight.. it is still require some self learning ma.. we r human not computer.. language is learn by practice not by instalation .. wat say u? in an interview.. u cant speak english.. tat is becos u hav no confident in urself.. if u r confident even though with a bit a grammar mistake i dont think the interviewer will screw u ..

u say IPTA offering crappy course? but down right these r course which r "cold" but when u come out u dont need to compete the whole m'sia.. u hav ur own niches market for ur study..
u go IPTS study wat every other people is studying hence more to compete with when u graduated in order to get a job..
plus u also pay more in IPTA let jus say u pay rm75000 for a study in ipts come out u work in a company as admin executive earning rm2300.. is it worth?
u study in IPTA cost u rm21000 come out earn the same as those of iPTS also.. so wat the diff... ? it all bout ourself la.. take the road not taken and u will find a path full of chances to explore..

as far as i know IPTA like UIA is fully english lol

i also ask some job interviewers and he said that IPTS students sometimes they dont approve because from the "college" where they're from

U can't compare both IPTA & IPTS generally. IPTA has it's own good, as IPTS has its as well. But overall, IPTS has some bonus in getting a career, rather than a job.

IPTA was once good, but as time passes by, the lack of proper monitoring and good lecturers have gone away has driven IPTA to the darker corner.

IPTS can be great, but it really depends whether did you do a proper background check on the institution and the course it offers before attempting studies. There are a significant number of IPTS which are bullshit and not registered as well. Doesn't mean they advertise aggressively means that they are recognized.



Before going for IPTS, go to Ministry of Higher Education's website to check whether the courses you are interested are listed and registered in their system. The system is constantly updated. If it's not there, don't bother even going.


And your English isn't that proper as well. Perhaps ease out on the comment.

This post has been edited by PuttyKitties: Mar 30 2009, 08:33 PM

most IPTA courses are already conducted in english since 5 years ago. all this bullshit spawns from years before. google it, u'll find the same old story about graduates cannot speak english since before 2004.

i teach in IPTA and everything is now in english, mainly bcoz now we have quite a number of foreign students who dont speak BM at all.

and btw, dont be confused with IPTS marketing themselves as having less number of jobless graduates. just compare the numbers. IPTAs produce larger number of graduates compared to IPTS. ofcourse the number of jobless graduates would be bigger.

IPTA uses malay because it is our national language dude, if we use english then this country would become a pirated mat saleh country filled with asians that think they're white ppl, those westerners would laugh at us that we don't have our own language and using theirs. this is not a pirated mat saleh country to be using english, and don't be proud to use english either because ...

Here's the truth. IPTA or IPTS. Malaysian people's english sux. Broken and can't even pronounce words properly. "Haiya, dunno lar, have u tried this ar?" Sometimes I wonder who started all these broken english gibberish. Probably from ppl who can't speak english properly. and most malaysians don't speak english properly. To speak english properly you need to also speak it in either the american or british accent, then only the correct pronounciation will come out. Good grammar doesnt equal to good english, imagine some mat saleh speaking malay with very good grammar but still sound like mat saleh accent, that's not proper malay. and also, here's something that most malaysians do, they mix american and british english accent together. hello you can't mix indonesian language with malay language even tho they sound similar. You wanna talk about the real business social, your english better be good like those mat salehs, because america owns the big companies, many american products in malaysia as well, hard to escape from them.


That's only what you heard, it doesn't mean that its true, if not where's the proof? I realize that most of these rumours about bad things going on in IPTA comes from mostly the non-malays. Probably cause they don't get much space to get in. I'm a mix, so I see things from both sides most of the time. And don't try to argue about equal rights and all because one thing if you wanna argue about it, I say go read Malaysian History and read American History first, then you talk. Also, You have to know, most IPTS are not credible at all, they don't produce their own degree, that's the thing the difference between IPTA and IPTS. IPTS just borrows degree from overseas universities that are mostly not the top ones and make it under a twinning programme crap. I emailed Hong Kong University, which is one of the top university in the world, number 26 in the world ranking, and I asked them if they recognize my IPTS college, they say they don't, what they recognize from Malaysia are only IPTAs like UiTM and those polytechnic institutes. what a bummer. Only few IPTS are good, and they are the international unis that setup a branch in msia, like monash, nottingham and swinburne, at least they produce their own degree like IPTAs. All those other IPTS are mostly not recognized by overseas unis also except the crappy overseas unis. Taylors is good, because its the oldest IPTS and you know what, universities are good based on how old they are.

You wanna compare IPTA with Malaysian IPTS, you can never, because IPTA unis are in the world ranking like UM, UKM, USM, UPM, sure you might say number 200+ is not good, but check again which universities they beaten. There are more than 2100 colleges and universities in the US alone, and our IPTA being number 200-300, means the IPTA already beaten out like 1800-1900 american unis and colleges in the US ALONE. There are also japanese unis that IPTA beaten. and all those other unis in the WORLD that IPTA had beaten. I can't believe many malaysians are so ignorant to see this fact.

In IPTA you can get courses like nuclear science, aerospace engineering, forestry and they do research there too. Most IPTS just functions as a teaching centre, not a research centre, and they teach what courses? mostly just Mass comm, business, Hotel&tourism and Pre-U, and they keep going back to that. IPTA has ALL THOSE COURSES + MORE. You wanna talk about globalization, you need a uni with research capabilities.

The prestigious ivy league unis are one of the oldest universities in america. IPTAs like UM, UKM, UPM and all are way older than any IPTS in the country. UM and UPM dates back to before independence and it used to be british colleges and universities. Older means more experience.

The one possible reason why companies in malaysia would take IPTS students are because the majority of the economy are hold by the chinese community, so most of the company holders are chinese and chinese people not many can get into the IPTA because of the quota, so they pick IPTS students because its their own geng. IPTA students would find work with the government.






The other true reason why IPTA uses malay language is that IPTA produces student for the local job market and not overseas market man. The government want us to study and work here so the public unis aim to do whats right to do. Why in the world would any government would build a university for their people to ciao overseas and never come back? that would be dumb right? If you wanna go overseas then find a way yourself la, learn english yourself, the IPTAs are already cheap enough to give you big campuses that IPTS cannot beat ever, why ask so much.

Even in American Universities people do useless programs like joining fraternities and worshipping nonsense (not to mention the naked run). The thing about the IPTA is that it doesn't matter if you can speak english well or not. The use of malay language there is to preserve the malay language and to be proud of malay language as our national language. and for you to work in Malaysia. If you look at advanced countries like the US and UK, do you see many of their citizens go study 'overseas' ? No, so they get more manpower for their country, taught by their country and work for their country. Why would they want to use japanese language for all their university courses just because japan is advancing a lot.



Also, why do I have to explain all these? if Malaysian people are advanced enough to be GLOBALIZED i think many of them would have figured this out by themselves right.

This post has been edited by Xero: Apr 1 2009, 03:43 AM

its depends on ur own fate kid

tumpang thread~ UTAR consider as IPTA or IPTS ?

ipts

blame it on IPTA for not being able to speak proper english?you guys are a bunch of jokers... It all goes back to yourself, whether you use the language or not in your daily conversation. From what I've observed, 95% of chinese students in local U all converse in Mandarin or Cantonese. Now what?

IPTAs in BM?Well, some may try to explain with a mixture of english and BM but most of the time, its in english IMHO.

Back to the Q, its how you carry yourself, present yourself during the interview session. Having bombastic results, coming from IPTA is nothing. Same goes with IPTS.

And i find it funny when people keep complaining about the irrelevant, nonsense courses offered at IPTAs, but yet people are still flocking and applying for it..

Ive nothing against both IPTA and IPTS because I have the opportunity to be educated in these both and each of it has its own set of pro and cons..

if you were a female, i'd proposed for a marriage.

Up to you, IPTA is harder to get into, IPTS is easier... wanna talk about job opportunity, proper english is a must, whether it is a local company or an international company, why? cause huge companies nowadays are becoming more globalized...we deal with foreigners...

Whatever people say, good english cant be attained by picking either one, good english can only be attained when U URSELF WANT TO LEARN...
im studying in INTI, honestly, most of the students here cant even pronounce correctly, let alone communicating in english...

as for the course conducted, IPTA programmes have higher credibility, and IPTA lectures are mostly PHD and masters holders....IPTS? some of the lecturers dont even have a master qualification, then how to teach??

but when getting into IPTS, you can approach your lectures easier, since IPTS colleges have lesser students, so each student have their fair share of the lecture's time, so use it....

in the end it all depends on the type of course you want to take, if you want the business side, take the IPTS
(down to earth no frills teaching, u dont even need a text book) they will focus more into practical topics, rather than add on subjects that are not related...

but if you want more specialized course like Engineering, Medic,Architectural,Science and technology, take the IPTA, as they have more capable experts and facilities...IPTA are known to teach outdated subjects,or including add on subjects that are not even related to your course, but they have long history of providing strong tertiary educations, so some of these subjects might come in handy..

i agree on your certain points BUT:

you have to understand, people do not employ because of their race origin, BIG COMPANIES wont waste their time to employ certain candidates just because of their race or anything like that, so please dont simply blame on lame stuff like "its their geng.." whatever....its a lame excuse...

Im a malay, my father are those people who interview people, he work in LOCAL company OWNED by BUMIS, but still he complained or refuse to take people who dont have the capability to speak properly in english, and dont get me wrong either, HE DONT CARE WHETHER THEY COME FROM IPTS OR IPTA, in the end all that matters is first impression and the candidate's result...

whatever people say, in reality, ENGLISH IS A MUST, if you want my opinion no offense intended here, based on my experience malays have the capability to speak well in english, but they are too afraid or ashamed to speak english with their friends.

Trust me, IPTA students have good grammar and vocab, on the paper they write really well, but unfortunately their lack experience on speaking made them look dumb..so whatever people say, IPTA students are good in english but they just need to speak more...

as for others, their english grammar and vocab sux to the max, but they tend to speak english between themselves frequently, and this is how IPTS students attain their speaking skills

It is time for us to look at the bigger picture here, i know most of us(malays) want to preserve our language, or whatever because of our long history but take a step back and properly analyze the situation. Face the fact, even in the local company, WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH FOREIGNERS, even in the big company WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH FOREIGNERS, even in the government sector, WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH FOREIGNERS. So please, preserve our language as you want but keep it to yourself, in reality more company are becoming GLOBALIZED, and at the same time the more demands are required for people who can converse in english...

regardless on how you view the local education system, education ministry are focusing its people to becoming more versatile,thats why the ministry are focusing on using english on certain subjects. We learn english because we need to deal with foreigners(arabs, europeans, japs,) and not only with white people, we learn english not because we want to worship the language, no, far from that..

THE ONLY REASON IS THAT ENGLISH IS THE ONLY GLOBAL LANGUAGE (or:lingua franca) used by people around the world...thats why we need it..so assuming that learning english will cause the downfall of the local language is utter nonsense and paranoia, because in the end we only use it to deal with foreign people, and not to converse with people on daily bases..

Take note: this will give you the COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE in the fresh grad groups....

Finally, back to the topic, the factor for choosing IPTA or IPTS cannot be decided just because people say IPTS is better on english or IPTA is better on facilities and what not,

its far from that..all you need to do is identify which educational areas you are interested, and decide which universities gives a better advantage according to your preferred courses...

Don't be fooled by advertisements, and do your own research about certain colleges and universities before deciding...do this and you will never regret your decision. good luck...

This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Apr 1 2009, 03:44 PM

IPTA of cos..full stop..
in IPTS the fees ar ridiculously high..the syllabus are extremely simple(comparing UNISEL's exam paper with UKM's, i've seen them)..
one interviewer once said to my friend that they dont hire IPTS graduates..
i still have no idea why people still go to IPTS(except for ppl than not qualified to enter IPTA)

bro, even JPA scholars go to IPTS, these people are top scorers so please do your research before posting tq...
and i dont think that 1 interviewer can resemble all the interviewer in the job market, so it varies bro...

IPTS fees are high because they didnt get support from govt. but sometimes if you give peanuts you get monkeys bro...

you haven't see the world boy..
i assume you're an IPTS student or ex-student..
i wanna see u study in IPTA and let see if u could handle the tight schedule and the
hard syllabus..i have friends who are lecturers, research assistand and even master students in IPTS
and the only nice thing i heard from them about the students is they drive nice cars..

i know there are good students in IPTS.. but in malaysia's situation u cant really
compare them..

This post has been edited by slvn: Apr 2 2009, 09:43 AM

dude, eventhough im an IPTS student, i have lots of friends studying in IPTA right now, and my cousins are IPTA grads, my uncle is a lecturer in UTM,my sister is a graduate from UITM, i know all about IPTA,their facilities, their lectures, and u wanna talk about tight schedule?? oh please...u think only IPTA have tight schedules???do you have friends taking A-level before? or AUP programme?

U urself dont have strong point to bring up here, please stop posting stuffs that are irrelevant, saying things like "they just drive nice cars" "in malaysia u cant really compare them" are baseless, what type of situation makes these people un-comparable?

calling me boy dosent make you wiser than me, well enough arguing here, sorry for the off topic TS

IPTA tak sediakan A Levels,SAM and stuff
thats why they send em to the IPTS

so u're basing ur argument from what they said, and u havent actually been to an IPTA itself?

well hello there black kettle!

i've taught in both IPTA and IPTS. lets argue against me instead .

for your information
IPTA standard is rising
go google any universities(IPTA) in world rank
and yes
theres a lot of black people,arab and white people who stody in Ipta and they dont understand english
and thats why IPTA use english now

u mean they dont understand BM? that's why IPTAs use english now? correct?




anyway, it is to my understanding that although english helps in communication, it doesnt mean bad english = stupid. u can learn engineering perfectly in BM bcoz being based in math, a universal language. u could learn architecture totally in BM, bcoz being based in drawings, another universal language. whatever language u use, it doesnt really matter if u wanna learn. the japanese learned entirely in japanese, chinese (mainland) in mandarin.

nowadays we use english bcoz of internationalization (i18n). we want to diversify and accelerate our students. but dont confuse it with english=better.

I have a question, let's make an assumption that I'm graduate from IPTS could I proceed to IPTA to continue the MSc??

IPTA IS GOV WORK
IPTS IS PRIVATE WORK

yes.

not really. for example, in my field, everybody will end up in private sector. the government sector could only accommodate about 5-10% of the graduates.

i have to admit you have certain degree of accuracy in ur point of view. however, do realise that english is MUCH important and appropriate to be teaching language (at least in sci and tech). All first handed article in science & tech are wrote in english papers. and how could you translate certain jargon to malay? (note i'm not proposing we throw malay language inside the dustbin, but to emphasise the importance of english in teaching. this make our graduates much more competitive). I still disagree that using english is making our country 'pirated mat saleh' country. are you refering US, UK, aus to be the same country? they do still have their own distinction dispite the same language they use.

Language is beauty for some, but it's generally regarded as a means of communication. the key is to get your point straight to the opposite side as far as people understand and not misleading (i'm not promoting grammatical error. anyway there's nothing like perfect grammar) so it's not the accent. it's the language skill one owns. perhaps malaysian student never take an initiative to work on their english. Though i would still insist using english for education will at least improve the problem that "most graduate cannot speak fluent english".

wow. that's clearly stereotype! okay let me just clarify a little. whether who able to get into IPTA or not, it's not up to us to say. but to say 'non-malays' make up rumours about how bad IPTA was, it's clearly wrong. I don't see why would someone NOT being in IPTA giving bad comment about IPTA. it's more to students in IPTA which are not satisfied with their position. things can include from bad lecturers to language to segregation and so on.


first. do not use weird statistic which i don't even know if you did have the reference cited properly. second. I would not use "how many college in US". Rather i'll say. why UM fall out of 200? though this is off topic. anyway, again i don't like stereotype posts. is chinese holding the economy? i saw the statistic of equity for malay ethnics went way up (well...statistic..everyone can lie with it)

also, if the government is so brilliant, they'd use english to teach us because this make us much more competitive. bringing the name 'MALAYSIA' everywhere. at least by then we feel proud because there're malaysian which really done something that's impresive. 'oh! that what MNC company's CEO is a malaysian' or so on so on. why make people of less competitive and lock them in malaysia, take them into gov agency and sit there, while not even picking up my call? (i've js called jpa today. 8 times till someone pick up) If IPTA cannot produce competitive grads internationally, it's a failure (at least for me). Malaysian don't pay tax (which goes into i don't care who's pocket, and into the uni) just for them to produce degree holder which only capable of local market. that's a shame to malaysia. lol. we are the one SHOULD complain because despite the cheap price we pay for IPTA, it's our money. we paid TAX every year (this reminds me of my EA form ==)

back to topic. i wouldn't say ipta or ipts is better. i'd criticize the malaysia education at whole.

Oh come on, that's just a ridiculous statement. I have never understood some people's obsession with speaking in "Western" accents.

First of all, can you tell me exactly what an American or British accent is? With the range of accents that it's impossible to say exactly what an American or British accent is.

Secondly, what about other native English speakers like Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, South Africans? Are you suggesting they don't speak proper English because they don't speak with American or British accents?

English is the most widely-spoken language in the world. When a language is so widespread, it is only natural that regional dialects will develop. Malaysian English (not Manglish) is as valid a dialect of English as American English is. In fact, the many accents in England are the product of many dialects of English spoken throughout the land.

There is no need to speak with an American or British accent, whatever that means, in order to speak proper English.

Thirdly, I suggest you take a look at your own English before saying most Malaysians don't speak English properly.

i don't think it related to which college/university you graduate from. it's all depends on your ability

is there a problem using comments from IPTA students and lectures as base for my arguments?

i dont need to argue, if you read my previous comments you'll know that im not picking any sides, i only brought forward pros and consbetween IPTA and IPTS...

what ticks me off is that certain people here are ignorant towards IPTS credibility in providing good tertiary education and keeps on saying IPTA is the best or whatever, they need to know university rankings has no meaning when it comes to the real world, in the end all that matters is your performance and the ability to adapt...


and your point is? did i say anything about IPTA standard declining? i know IPTA using english as basis, especially UITM..and thats a good thing..

thats the thing, we can learn anything by using our language alone, but that also causes us to fail learning from experts from overseas, since both are using different technical jargons.. it is not impossible, it is just time consuming.. and in the business world, it means incurring more costs in training..

Using english dosent mean you are better, but it really helps when u want to get yourself into the business world...since communication in business is really important.

be it english, malay, chinenese, japanese, korean.. it is all bout understanding and how broad the language is.. i admit malay borrow alot of word from other languages, even the indonesian language is broader than malay. there r some term which non existent in malay hence need to be borrowed. so if u understand the term, the formula, the ways of doing things, there is no limitation toward wat language is being use.. jus take the japanese as an example.. alot of english term being directly translated to japs as well.. bac to the mastering of english to converse it without any hesitation, it is all bout confident and the well to learn. y a boy who speak no language can learn so many language once he grow up.. becos without it they fail to communicate their need. so learning english is solely up to the one who r wanting to learn.. even though ur teacher teach bad english .. u still got a lot of source, radio, magazine, tv, internet, cd.. u name it.. so when it come to ipta, ipts.. i c no diffirence jus tat one is supported by government and mean to serve to people and the other is mean to serve the people as wee but with a price.. no standard of teaching is almost the same but depending on the uni, college and those college community. some r really set up jus to make money while giving peanut to the student..

first choice of course IPTA lorrr...

in terms of oppurtunity, both is same, its all depends on your result,your comm skil,your abilities ..

Yes i agree with your view to certain extend. however, do realise education shape a person's ability/personality/whatever. shame to say malaysia education failed to shape student to meet market needs as well to ultilise students to their full potential. (you may substitute it with "not success" if you found "failed" offensive)

Edited: hence, yes IPTA & IPTS do make a differecne. however we have to be specific which to compare. and the methods to compare is crucial to avoid bias

This post has been edited by empirekhoo: Apr 4 2009, 10:27 PM

there's a flaw in that argument, although i do recognize its validity.

what is to say "what the market needs" is the right way to go? take for example in my field of architecture. the market demands architects that can do what the client often wants - renovate a terrace house into a romanesque villa. sure, that's what the market wants, and the ability to fulfill that requirement puts food on the table.

but that's not exactly healthy for the society as a whole. romanesque villa is unsuitable for our climate, not to mention the bizzare out-of-context existence. so in IPTAs we teach them NOT to do romanesque designs, but go for tropical. then the industry complained to the schools that the graduates cant do what they want them to do.

so how?

Thats why not all can follow what market wants, especially in ur area of expertise shows that certain designs are not suitable for our climate and its true. But in this case we are talking what are the skills needed in the JOB market, and since most organizations requires at least english and malay language in their job requirement,we cant say it is not suitable for the situation in malaysia.

Because who decide the "market" needs in the job market usually decided by experts that know what their company need, so they will demand certain skills that proves beneficial for their companies.. so we cant really compare it with ur example, which based on clients needs and not from experts needs like in the job market..

regardless of what people say, when certain expertise is demanded, it means whoever have that expertise..they will have the advantage in the market, but that dosent mean the market demand will not change, it just give you a little opportunity at that specific time...

and take note, we cant put hope solely on what others can offer, in this case we cant really say IPTA or IPTS gives more job opportunity, what matters the most is whether you yourself have the capability to do the job, and ur knowledge about the job and the company itself. Since most companies(especially the private ones) seeks people based on their capabilities...

hm. you are somewhat correct. However, do realise that what i mean by "what the market needs", generally refering to the market as whole. It's like lets say 80% company which hires architects require a certain knowledge. Then it should be taught in universities.

Most universities does teach the major subjects needed for a certain degree. But some does better in emphasising towards market needs. For example, UTP (petronas) does invite professionals from working field to rewise their curricular structure few year once. (I read this somewhere. Of course i'm not sure about the truth, nor i'm promoting UTP) Anyway, it's quite a good move if you ask me.

I wouldn't say it's healthy for the society as a whole but we still need to agree that the industry are absorbing most of graduates. To make graduates "market-able" is to provide graudates with the adeque knowledge that industry needs.

Again, this argument is partly off topic. IPTS and IPTA both have their difference. we should specify a certain course & university to be able to compare it properly. =)

Hey everyone, is it really true that, if we have a degree from a private university, we have more opportunities to go international, compared to if we own a degree from a public university?

Well, i would assume people who study in private university get degree cert issued by oversea university (those 3+0 programs in private uni such as Monash University, Sheffield University, University of South Australia), while people who study in public universities in Malaysia are awarded with certs issued by UM, UTM, USM blah blah blah.

So maybe people outside of this country will actually recognize certs issued by oversea universities rather than names like UM, UTM, USM, UTAR... lolz

This post has been edited by Bepeon: Apr 16 2009, 04:15 PM

I disagree with that. When the first unis came up in Malaysia, somewhere in 1970, everyone was fighting to enter in correct? As it was the only uni back then.. Slowly more and more unis come up, be it IPTA or IPTS.. There's no guarantee having a IPTS degree will guarantee u a place in overseas, heck it doesn't even guarantee u a job here in Malaysia.. And I know so many people who are local graduates and are now in overseas, either working for big international companies or migrated there.. To me it comes down to what u study and how u perform in your working life. You maybe a graduate from a top prestigious uni but if you can't even work to save yourself, what good is the degree? No difference whether u come out from IPTA or IPTS.

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Added on April 16, 2009, 4:57 pmTrue. People who do the 3+0 program get degrees issued from overseas uni. However job interviewers of a major company do not care where u come from, may it be Malaysia, UK, US, Indonesia.. Most importantly is your personality, your work ethics.. Brings back to my point above, you can come from the best but it doesn't guarantee you to be the best in the working field..

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Added on April 16, 2009, 4:58 pmagreed.. interview plays an important role when you're applying for a job. the first impression is always important no matter where u go

This post has been edited by lordblood: Apr 16 2009, 04:58 PM

I mean local private university degree versus local public uni to be exact.

because there is contract with gov to send student to prepare there. this can also help the IPTS financially.

but some IPTS are good like KYUEM, UTP.


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people always said IPTA student no quality thus many grads are jobless when compare to IPTS.

but mind this fact. for example, 1st year mechanical engineering student in UTM(i use this as example) are around 400. and after graduation, 200 got employed and 200 not employed.

but in another ipts have 150 1st year student in mechanical engineering. out of 150, 40 got employed after graduate. another 110 not employed.

when compared, it will look like that IPTS are better since less people jobless. but when we look at the number of students. actually IPTS got more jobless in term of student ratio.

but I also accept the fact that there are also some not so good IPTA. for example UiTM. keep opening new branches. macam cendawan tumbuh selepas hujan. quality also not very good.

don't be biased. I would like to say that our IPTA is actually among the best in terms of facilities, lecturer, study... but the prob is that our IPTA is politically influenced and the younger generation behaviour.

let me tell you a story. one of my fren use to study in university(IPTA) before he enter my place of study. he always skip class. lecturer notice that he is missing and go to his room to wake him up and ask him to go to class. then the lecturer also make tuition class for a few weak performance student. the lecturer do the best. but the student make prob and make whole university get bad name.

do you get this kind of lecturer in IPTS? in IPTS, there are lecturer who good in teaching. but never think of student. they are more glad to fail students bacause when they repeat, more money will come.

Okay. My concern is, if I get a degree by a local private university (which doesn't twin with any other oversea degree), will it possibly hinder me from getting opportunities of venturing into other countries because let's say, they don't recognize my degree?

It depends which university you would be studying in... Well, Monash University in Sunway is also considered as a local private uni isn't it? No offense to those who study in the local Monash, but there are distinct differences in terms of qualities between the real Monash and the local Monash.

not many people who graduate from 100% local university(ipta n ipts) get to work str8 abroad. most of them either work 1st to gain experience before working abroad, or work in malaysian based companies, then get transferred to foreign branch, or just apply for job oversea when continuing study to master or phd oversea.

mostly those who work str8 oversea they get the job when study there. other common method is by working in MNC in malaysia then get transferred oversea.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 16 2009, 09:43 PM

erm... i mean local degree. say, uniten, utar....

not necessarily have to straight go oversea. i mean a few years of working after graduation.

like i said, getting degree from IPTA or IPTS doesn't really matter.. and also depends on which overseas country ur looking at.. for example, EU countries don't recognise any MBBS degree outside the EU.. And if u were to go to UK or australia to practise, either with IPTA or IPTS medicine degree, u still have to sit for their professional exam, cause every country thinks their standard is better than others..

and yes, u must work first.. u can't say i got IPTS degree i can go overseas work.. nobody will employ u.. u see all the top post or post require u go overseas, all have minimum working exp, so to me, get a degree, don't care from where as long it suits the job market and it's something u like.. then work and gain experience, be good in your field and the world will be yours..

Hi, I wanna ask: Programs such as degree that is issued by college itself, how to know if it is recognised? Wats the Malaysia degree verification agency that approve the degree that is issued by college itself? A foreign-degree or a local degree more job-promising?

This post has been edited by Hyperalle: Apr 17 2009, 09:48 AM

kita nk masuk U sekarang kena fikir short and long term brah..sekarang ni , macam kat satu company KL ni , dia nak graduan dari UTM,UTP and UM je , yang lain dia reject.sekarang camni cara diorang pilih orang berkualiti...

most likely kalau U yang suka tendang orang adalah U yang berkualiti LOL.

maka pilihlah UTM, kerana ia adalah

Universiti
Tendang
Menendang

masuk ramai2 jom , tapi tu selalunya apa yang aku dengar la , and based on true story haha

i think LAN (LEMBAGA AKREDITASI NEGARA) and also can check at JPA (if not mistaken)

Haiz, it seems like this topic has turn to a place for arguing using English and BM as teaching language....lol.

So i have a question.
I want to study in computer science (bachelor degree) or network engineering (bachelor degree)...

Some people said local uni programs r outdated.

Is our country private uni program outdated?
Is our country gov uni program outdated?

Private uni computer science or gov uni program better?

I hardly find a uni that offer network engineering?
Recommendations?


One more. Wat is the teaching language of our gov local uni (USM) offer computer science course (degree)?

This post has been edited by HW-12: May 19 2009, 10:14 PM

Im going to UNISEL this 23rd May.. Got offered Pengajian Tahun Asas Pengurusan Maklumat.. So, UNISEL IPTS rite?? good or bad?? in term of quality.. help me decide it

In conclusion, if you don't have much money and you get IPTA, go for it.

If you cannot get IPTA but you can get some loan/sponsorship, go for IPTS.

If you have a lot of money and have very good results, go for top IPTA or top IPTS, up to you.

Not all IPTS are good, some good IPTS are MMU, UTAR, IMU, Nottingham, Swineburg, Monash (all are backed by reputable organisations). These IPTS are definitely having good system like IPTA. The graduates from these IPTS sometimes get better comments from industry during their practical training. In IPTS, mostly they are trained to be independent, instead of just have to follow the IPTA strict rules.

I guess for communication skills/teaching skill wise, IPTS won IPTA a lot.
IPTA won't in term of facility and cost of enrolment.

Up to you to decide, but I always see students from IPTS are happier.
If you don't believe, go visit one IPTA and one IPTS and you will realize that.

As far as i am concerned, IPTA students are more concerned about their study while those from IPTS, they just like to flaunt around and always extravagant in their spending.See their clothing and hairstylesand u will know.

No offence to IPTS students, but i just feel like most of them are not deserve the place in IPTS just because they have the ' don't care' attitudes.
resit and resit in order to barely pass their exam and gain a certs,satisfy their parents' expectations and that is all for them.

of course i am speaking of my own observations. it may have just applied to some of them.

to me,it's all about the course that u r taking
if u tke critical courses,the chnce of getting hired is much more high.regardless whthr u studied in ipts or ipta.
if u taking less critical course,it means less job.

few years ago, employer will pick IPTA grad because they survived in stpm.

somehow, things had changed during the past decade, many top student in spm do not sit for stpm anymore, especially chinese

By the way, I'm a product of IPTA. I am not helping IPTS, but just want to make the thing clear.

On the other hand, i think the concept of students must dress humblely, cover until knee, and must hold their own status is just some people's opinion.
The code of behavior is being misleaded in the outer behavior.

How about internally? By dressing smartly, do you treat your friends sincerely? do you talk nicely at the front and talk bad at lecturer's back?

If you been to singpore NUS and NTU, you will know that non of them are blamed for wearing casual like shorts. Ok, their lecturer are wearing jeans and T-shirt.

Did not been US? The stanford university does not have any border of university, do you still think that the university students should be fenced and not mixed with the society?

well, you should broaden your mind. Do you think when you join the company, they will look at how you dress, what you eat? They will see whether you can work, whether you can communicate, whether you are able to complete the tasks, responsible...

Living luxuriously is just less then 5% of the populations, it is not because they are in IPTS. It is because they are rich... and they are pampered by their rich family. Do you still think everyone can live luxuriously? How many percent of the people are rich?

In taiwan university, they are allowed to make up in their classes, the stars can come into their university. Can you say they are bad people? Of course no, their graduates are the fundamental of the country.

Even if you go to Indonesia university, they called their lecturers "pak" which means someone respected and treat them as friends.. DO you still think that formality is a must?

You believe in your own standards (dress properly etc) but other places insist friendliness, free thinking, etc.. Do you still think what you think is absolutely correct?

Everything got good and bad, doesn't it? If given a chance, which of about types of university would you choose? answer to yourself..

I read in Malaysiakini newspaper there were lecturers in IPTA who MUST pass certain students regardless of their result. No need to resit. How can that be good?

yupe..

this is 50 steps laughing at the 100 steps..

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Added on December 12, 2009, 3:51 pmEntering IPTS is very helpful and unavoidable in the following cases:

1) student is not accepted to IPTA. (private school students, some other reasons ++)
2) student does not get the course their like. ( they want to be engineer but they get offer for socialist)
3) student is assigned to a very far university. (like east/west Malaysia, vice vesa)
4) student want the chance for going overseas. (Twinning program)

I see many penang people prefer to stay in Penang. If they are not accepted to USM, they will opt for KDU or INTI. Some KL people are assigned to Sabah, and they finally choose to stay with MMU/UTAR.

For IPTA, you have very least option to what you can study.

But your choice is unlimited for IPTS.

See.. not everyone is so lucky to get to the right university and the right course they want. With a few tens of extra money, they have the right to choose. (u can become engineer, doctor, marketer.)

It is not always the quality issue. And PTPTN does provide a financial assitance for those who are in need.

The people who get the right uni and right course when they apply for IPTA is rare (<20%). 30-40k worth for a whole life career type at your own hand. Think about it...

Not like last time, no IPTS, you get what you must go, no PTPTN also. If you don't get IPTA, no future at all. Here is the use of IPTS..



This post has been edited by epalbee3: Dec 12 2009, 03:51 PM

This is very true for student siting for the Chinese UEC certificate that other countries recognized but not by our government. In fact some countries so love UEC certificate that they are more than willing to grab them aka Singapore. If they don't go overseas, then they ended up at IPTS.

all certs are just a toilet paper.

Its no value if it is without shit on it

working experience more important

Degree with working experience vs no degree with working experience. Which do you go for as an employer?

depends on the position applied for. for professions, you will need the certs...

an employee don't want to see your cert after your interview.

they just want to see you have the capability to complete the required job.

for an example, you can see that some news reporter like ong ching yee, she has a degree, but she never need to show it anymore.

or credit card promoters, they just need to use their communication skill to grab enough customers; this knowledge cannot be grabbed from book.

boosting your cert after joining the workforce is sometimes a mistake that the new graduate makes.

For example, do you need a plumber that know how to fix the pipe leakage or a plumber that has a lot of certs but only good in theory?

whatever it is, whether it's the degree or whatever certs, they are just a ticket to get u to the interview (It's different story if u hv got ivy league or oxbridge degrees). Once you get onboard, you must know how to steer your course in order to get to your destination or goal.

Well said, degree is just a ticket for us to get a proper job at current market. other than that by having a degree you can demand for your pay increase because even if having 8 years and more experience in the related job field but it does guarantee you to have similar pay just as your fellow colleague who have the same experience as you but with a degree on hand.

here's a cool story about IPTA,

my cousin studied in UiTM and got DL for every semester for her diploma, with that she applied to many UK unis and got accepted by good ones such as UCL and Manchester, and with that she got scholarship to study at UCL, i believe chances to go overseas are great if you work hard enough as my cousin who's from the dubbed "crappy" Uni UiTM got through to UCL by her diploma alone.

SOME private universities like Monash,Nottingham are very good, easily employable blabla ayda yada etc
SOME public universities like UM, UTAR( wait it's half IPTA half IPTS ) are very good,
easily employable nlanla yada yada etc


Actually it depends individually

Is your cousin a Bumi or Non-bumi when applying for the scholarship? And who gave this scholarship?

My cousin is a Bumi, her sponsor is JPA i believe.

What is available to Bumi are often not available to non-Bumi so your example may not be possible for others when it comes to scholarship.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 23 2009, 09:47 PM

Well yes i suppose i should've stated that it was for bumis, but it could also give an idea to bumis who are on the fence wether IPTA or IPTS.

in my class Sem 2 i think 80% of my classmate failed that course including me. so i guess that statement is not 100% true..
through out my years, i also have to repeat couple of papers.....

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Added on December 23, 2009, 10:26 pmUiTM i guess their student are equip by communication skills, most of other IPTA just focusing on papers only including my U.
But in the end actually, how we presented ourselves is important , doesn't matter where are u graduating from... it wouldn't matter

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Added on December 23, 2009, 10:32 pmactually in my U (ipta) after semester 3, all courses conducted in English.. but depends on the lecturer... but if u know u cannot converse in english .. y not learn it by yourself.. y all things have to be spoon feed?

This post has been edited by laksaUTARA: Dec 23 2009, 10:32 PM

IPTA kinda sux.... I prefer IPTS... But my family cannot afford me to study at IPTS..

English must be good, if english is not good, then during the interview, most probably they will say bye before you could say hi. so it doesn't matter if it is IPTA or IPTS, just be a person who loves knowledge and be independent and confident, then no one can bring you down. Just feel grateful that you are able to further your studies and make use of the chance well.

after all we should not wait for opportunity, rather we should make oppurtunity come flying to us by upgrading our self.

act ipts n ipta almost same le..some lecture ipts also concern like ipta..some lecture for both also suck..dfrent mybe rule in ipta more ketat..dats y public see ipta upper~

Get a jpa loan. Then repay the loan by working with the government for 10 years.

There. You got a job.

u still need to repay the loan even if u work for the government.

i think what u mean is JPA scholarship.

tumpang thread~ Uniten consider as IPTA or IPTS ?

IPTS

IPTA or IPTS is just the same
the curriculum is not much different

but u need to set target for your future career
if let say you wanna involve in IT career, get yourself to institution which is well known in IT so that u get extra points

definitely an IPTS

This post has been edited by Hikari0307: May 5 2010, 04:08 PM

and a well known IT institution is?
MMU?

i am thinking to further my studies in IT.

And we will become slave for 10 years.

10 years ka?

even my PhD contract is only 7 years...

It's not slave, it's paying back, it's your moral duty to serve after getting sponsored for so long and the government spending so much of the people's money on you. Giving back the same amount of money doesn't cover.

10 years contract is only for Medicine,Dentistry and Pharmacy students if I'm not mistaken. It depends on the course. My sister is under JPA scholarship for Engineering and her bond is 7 years.

You guys don't even need to start going to the extent of morality.

It's a contractual obligation. If you don't want to honour the contract in the first place why did you accept the offer. It's just stealing on purpose!

This post has been edited by entryman: Nov 19 2010, 12:12 AM

Ofcoz IPTS having a higher chance to get hired.