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 IPTA VS IPTS, which one has higher oppurtunity to work

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Xero
post Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(WingKalimdor @ Mar 30 2009, 04:30 PM)
To be honest, I dislike the subject conducted by IPTA because most of the subject were conducted in Malay Language and cause most of the student not ready to prepare themselves facing the actual business social. My friend were a top student in UPM, no doubt her CGPA 3.8xx but she can't even speak well in English during our private conversation. Sometime, doesn't involve ourselves in IPTA is not a bad thing.  smile.gif
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IPTA uses malay because it is our national language dude, if we use english then this country would become a pirated mat saleh country filled with asians that think they're white ppl, those westerners would laugh at us that we don't have our own language and using theirs. this is not a pirated mat saleh country to be using english, and don't be proud to use english either because ...

Here's the truth. IPTA or IPTS. Malaysian people's english sux. Broken and can't even pronounce words properly. "Haiya, dunno lar, have u tried this ar?" Sometimes I wonder who started all these broken english gibberish. Probably from ppl who can't speak english properly. and most malaysians don't speak english properly. To speak english properly you need to also speak it in either the american or british accent, then only the correct pronounciation will come out. Good grammar doesnt equal to good english, imagine some mat saleh speaking malay with very good grammar but still sound like mat saleh accent, that's not proper malay. and also, here's something that most malaysians do, they mix american and british english accent together. hello you can't mix indonesian language with malay language even tho they sound similar. You wanna talk about the real business social, your english better be good like those mat salehs, because america owns the big companies, many american products in malaysia as well, hard to escape from them.


QUOTE(ron4 @ Mar 30 2009, 05:41 PM)
I heard before about the statistic for unemployed graduate in Malaysia, most of them are from IPTA, only small amount from IPTS. But our media try to cover up by not letting the details statistic
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That's only what you heard, it doesn't mean that its true, if not where's the proof? I realize that most of these rumours about bad things going on in IPTA comes from mostly the non-malays. Probably cause they don't get much space to get in. I'm a mix, so I see things from both sides most of the time. And don't try to argue about equal rights and all because one thing if you wanna argue about it, I say go read Malaysian History and read American History first, then you talk. Also, You have to know, most IPTS are not credible at all, they don't produce their own degree, that's the thing the difference between IPTA and IPTS. IPTS just borrows degree from overseas universities that are mostly not the top ones and make it under a twinning programme crap. I emailed Hong Kong University, which is one of the top university in the world, number 26 in the world ranking, and I asked them if they recognize my IPTS college, they say they don't, what they recognize from Malaysia are only IPTAs like UiTM and those polytechnic institutes. what a bummer. Only few IPTS are good, and they are the international unis that setup a branch in msia, like monash, nottingham and swinburne, at least they produce their own degree like IPTAs. All those other IPTS are mostly not recognized by overseas unis also except the crappy overseas unis. Taylors is good, because its the oldest IPTS and you know what, universities are good based on how old they are.

You wanna compare IPTA with Malaysian IPTS, you can never, because IPTA unis are in the world ranking like UM, UKM, USM, UPM, sure you might say number 200+ is not good, but check again which universities they beaten. There are more than 2100 colleges and universities in the US alone, and our IPTA being number 200-300, means the IPTA already beaten out like 1800-1900 american unis and colleges in the US ALONE. There are also japanese unis that IPTA beaten. and all those other unis in the WORLD that IPTA had beaten. I can't believe many malaysians are so ignorant to see this fact.

In IPTA you can get courses like nuclear science, aerospace engineering, forestry and they do research there too. Most IPTS just functions as a teaching centre, not a research centre, and they teach what courses? mostly just Mass comm, business, Hotel&tourism and Pre-U, and they keep going back to that. IPTA has ALL THOSE COURSES + MORE. You wanna talk about globalization, you need a uni with research capabilities.

The prestigious ivy league unis are one of the oldest universities in america. IPTAs like UM, UKM, UPM and all are way older than any IPTS in the country. UM and UPM dates back to before independence and it used to be british colleges and universities. Older means more experience.

The one possible reason why companies in malaysia would take IPTS students are because the majority of the economy are hold by the chinese community, so most of the company holders are chinese and chinese people not many can get into the IPTA because of the quota, so they pick IPTS students because its their own geng. IPTA students would find work with the government.






QUOTE(hyxer @ Mar 30 2009, 06:01 PM)
IPTA sux. sorry but thats the truth. They make you join useless programs during the weekends that brings no help at all when applying for work. I've talked with some job interviewers and they approved that most of the graduates from IPTA's cant converse in english well(From various ppl including a talk from JPA job interviewer), thus rejected from the job. this is with the exception of UIAM(this is from Petronas human resource) because they require good english from student.

The key is english. I did not say that if you enter ipta u cant get a job, its that the chance is slimmer.

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The other true reason why IPTA uses malay language is that IPTA produces student for the local job market and not overseas market man. The government want us to study and work here so the public unis aim to do whats right to do. Why in the world would any government would build a university for their people to ciao overseas and never come back? that would be dumb right? If you wanna go overseas then find a way yourself la, learn english yourself, the IPTAs are already cheap enough to give you big campuses that IPTS cannot beat ever, why ask so much.

Even in American Universities people do useless programs like joining fraternities and worshipping nonsense (not to mention the naked run). The thing about the IPTA is that it doesn't matter if you can speak english well or not. The use of malay language there is to preserve the malay language and to be proud of malay language as our national language. and for you to work in Malaysia. If you look at advanced countries like the US and UK, do you see many of their citizens go study 'overseas' ? No, so they get more manpower for their country, taught by their country and work for their country. Why would they want to use japanese language for all their university courses just because japan is advancing a lot.



Also, why do I have to explain all these? if Malaysian people are advanced enough to be GLOBALIZED i think many of them would have figured this out by themselves right.

This post has been edited by Xero: Apr 1 2009, 03:43 AM

 

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