Apr 1 2009, 03:41 PM
QUOTE(adix4 @ Mar 30 2009, 02:03 PM)
so i ask some advisor
some of them said that IPTS hv higher oppurtunity to work and some said that IPTA hv higher oppurtunity to work.
so what about you?what did u think about it?in your opinion which one has higher oppurtunity?
Up to you, IPTA is harder to get into, IPTS is easier... wanna talk about job opportunity, proper english is a must, whether it is a local company or an international company, why? cause huge companies nowadays are becoming more globalized...we deal with foreigners...some of them said that IPTS hv higher oppurtunity to work and some said that IPTA hv higher oppurtunity to work.
so what about you?what did u think about it?in your opinion which one has higher oppurtunity?
Whatever people say, good english cant be attained by picking either one, good english can only be attained when U URSELF WANT TO LEARN...
im studying in INTI, honestly, most of the students here cant even pronounce correctly, let alone communicating in english...
as for the course conducted, IPTA programmes have higher credibility, and IPTA lectures are mostly PHD and masters holders....IPTS? some of the lecturers dont even have a master qualification, then how to teach??
but when getting into IPTS, you can approach your lectures easier, since IPTS colleges have lesser students, so each student have their fair share of the lecture's time, so use it....
in the end it all depends on the type of course you want to take, if you want the business side, take the IPTS
(down to earth no frills teaching, u dont even need a text book) they will focus more into practical topics, rather than add on subjects that are not related...
but if you want more specialized course like Engineering, Medic,Architectural,Science and technology, take the IPTA, as they have more capable experts and facilities...IPTA are known to teach outdated subjects,or including add on subjects that are not even related to your course, but they have long history of providing strong tertiary educations, so some of these subjects might come in handy..
QUOTE(Xero @ Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM)
IPTA uses malay because it is our national language dude, if we use english then this country would become a pirated mat saleh country filled with asians that think they're white ppl, those westerners would laugh at us that we don't have our own language and using theirs. this is not a pirated mat saleh country to be using english, and don't be proud to use english either because ...
Here's the truth. IPTA or IPTS. Malaysian people's english sux. Broken and can't even pronounce words properly. "Haiya, dunno lar, have u tried this ar?" Sometimes I wonder who started all these broken english gibberish. Probably from ppl who can't speak english properly. and most malaysians don't speak english properly. To speak english properly you need to also speak it in either the american or british accent, then only the correct pronounciation will come out. Good grammar doesnt equal to good english, imagine some mat saleh speaking malay with very good grammar but still sound like mat saleh accent, that's not proper malay. and also, here's something that most malaysians do, they mix american and british english accent together. hello you can't mix indonesian language with malay language even tho they sound similar. You wanna talk about the real business social, your english better be good like those mat salehs, because america owns the big companies, many american products in malaysia as well, hard to escape from them.
That's only what you heard, it doesn't mean that its true, if not where's the proof? I realize that most of these rumours about bad things going on in IPTA comes from mostly the non-malays. Probably cause they don't get much space to get in. I'm a mix, so I see things from both sides most of the time. And don't try to argue about equal rights and all because one thing if you wanna argue about it, I say go read Malaysian History and read American History first, then you talk. Also, You have to know, most IPTS are not credible at all, they don't produce their own degree, that's the thing the difference between IPTA and IPTS. IPTS just borrows degree from overseas universities that are mostly not the top ones and make it under a twinning programme crap. I emailed Hong Kong University, which is one of the top university in the world, number 26 in the world ranking, and I asked them if they recognize my IPTS college, they say they don't, what they recognize from Malaysia are only IPTAs like UiTM and those polytechnic institutes. what a bummer. Only few IPTS are good, and they are the international unis that setup a branch in msia, like monash, nottingham and swinburne, at least they produce their own degree like IPTAs. All those other IPTS are mostly not recognized by overseas unis also except the crappy overseas unis. Taylors is good, because its the oldest IPTS and you know what, universities are good based on how old they are.
You wanna compare IPTA with Malaysian IPTS, you can never, because IPTA unis are in the world ranking like UM, UKM, USM, UPM, sure you might say number 200+ is not good, but check again which universities they beaten. There are more than 2100 colleges and universities in the US alone, and our IPTA being number 200-300, means the IPTA already beaten out like 1800-1900 american unis and colleges in the US ALONE. There are also japanese unis that IPTA beaten. and all those other unis in the WORLD that IPTA had beaten. I can't believe many malaysians are so ignorant to see this fact.
In IPTA you can get courses like nuclear science, aerospace engineering, forestry and they do research there too. Most IPTS just functions as a teaching centre, not a research centre, and they teach what courses? mostly just Mass comm, business, Hotel&tourism and Pre-U, and they keep going back to that. IPTA has ALL THOSE COURSES + MORE. You wanna talk about globalization, you need a uni with research capabilities.
The prestigious ivy league unis are one of the oldest universities in america. IPTAs like UM, UKM, UPM and all are way older than any IPTS in the country. UM and UPM dates back to before independence and it used to be british colleges and universities. Older means more experience.
The one possible reason why companies in malaysia would take IPTS students are because the majority of the economy are hold by the chinese community, so most of the company holders are chinese and chinese people not many can get into the IPTA because of the quota, so they pick IPTS students because its their own geng. IPTA students would find work with the government.
The other true reason why IPTA uses malay language is that IPTA produces student for the local job market and not overseas market man. The government want us to study and work here so the public unis aim to do whats right to do. Why in the world would any government would build a university for their people to ciao overseas and never come back? that would be dumb right? If you wanna go overseas then find a way yourself la, learn english yourself, the IPTAs are already cheap enough to give you big campuses that IPTS cannot beat ever, why ask so much.
Even in American Universities people do useless programs like joining fraternities and worshipping nonsense (not to mention the naked run). The thing about the IPTA is that it doesn't matter if you can speak english well or not. The use of malay language there is to preserve the malay language and to be proud of malay language as our national language. and for you to work in Malaysia. If you look at advanced countries like the US and UK, do you see many of their citizens go study 'overseas' ? No, so they get more manpower for their country, taught by their country and work for their country. Why would they want to use japanese language for all their university courses just because japan is advancing a lot.
Also, why do I have to explain all these? if Malaysian people are advanced enough to be GLOBALIZED i think many of them would have figured this out by themselves right.
i agree on your certain points BUT:Here's the truth. IPTA or IPTS. Malaysian people's english sux. Broken and can't even pronounce words properly. "Haiya, dunno lar, have u tried this ar?" Sometimes I wonder who started all these broken english gibberish. Probably from ppl who can't speak english properly. and most malaysians don't speak english properly. To speak english properly you need to also speak it in either the american or british accent, then only the correct pronounciation will come out. Good grammar doesnt equal to good english, imagine some mat saleh speaking malay with very good grammar but still sound like mat saleh accent, that's not proper malay. and also, here's something that most malaysians do, they mix american and british english accent together. hello you can't mix indonesian language with malay language even tho they sound similar. You wanna talk about the real business social, your english better be good like those mat salehs, because america owns the big companies, many american products in malaysia as well, hard to escape from them.
That's only what you heard, it doesn't mean that its true, if not where's the proof? I realize that most of these rumours about bad things going on in IPTA comes from mostly the non-malays. Probably cause they don't get much space to get in. I'm a mix, so I see things from both sides most of the time. And don't try to argue about equal rights and all because one thing if you wanna argue about it, I say go read Malaysian History and read American History first, then you talk. Also, You have to know, most IPTS are not credible at all, they don't produce their own degree, that's the thing the difference between IPTA and IPTS. IPTS just borrows degree from overseas universities that are mostly not the top ones and make it under a twinning programme crap. I emailed Hong Kong University, which is one of the top university in the world, number 26 in the world ranking, and I asked them if they recognize my IPTS college, they say they don't, what they recognize from Malaysia are only IPTAs like UiTM and those polytechnic institutes. what a bummer. Only few IPTS are good, and they are the international unis that setup a branch in msia, like monash, nottingham and swinburne, at least they produce their own degree like IPTAs. All those other IPTS are mostly not recognized by overseas unis also except the crappy overseas unis. Taylors is good, because its the oldest IPTS and you know what, universities are good based on how old they are.
You wanna compare IPTA with Malaysian IPTS, you can never, because IPTA unis are in the world ranking like UM, UKM, USM, UPM, sure you might say number 200+ is not good, but check again which universities they beaten. There are more than 2100 colleges and universities in the US alone, and our IPTA being number 200-300, means the IPTA already beaten out like 1800-1900 american unis and colleges in the US ALONE. There are also japanese unis that IPTA beaten. and all those other unis in the WORLD that IPTA had beaten. I can't believe many malaysians are so ignorant to see this fact.
In IPTA you can get courses like nuclear science, aerospace engineering, forestry and they do research there too. Most IPTS just functions as a teaching centre, not a research centre, and they teach what courses? mostly just Mass comm, business, Hotel&tourism and Pre-U, and they keep going back to that. IPTA has ALL THOSE COURSES + MORE. You wanna talk about globalization, you need a uni with research capabilities.
The prestigious ivy league unis are one of the oldest universities in america. IPTAs like UM, UKM, UPM and all are way older than any IPTS in the country. UM and UPM dates back to before independence and it used to be british colleges and universities. Older means more experience.
The one possible reason why companies in malaysia would take IPTS students are because the majority of the economy are hold by the chinese community, so most of the company holders are chinese and chinese people not many can get into the IPTA because of the quota, so they pick IPTS students because its their own geng. IPTA students would find work with the government.
The other true reason why IPTA uses malay language is that IPTA produces student for the local job market and not overseas market man. The government want us to study and work here so the public unis aim to do whats right to do. Why in the world would any government would build a university for their people to ciao overseas and never come back? that would be dumb right? If you wanna go overseas then find a way yourself la, learn english yourself, the IPTAs are already cheap enough to give you big campuses that IPTS cannot beat ever, why ask so much.
Even in American Universities people do useless programs like joining fraternities and worshipping nonsense (not to mention the naked run). The thing about the IPTA is that it doesn't matter if you can speak english well or not. The use of malay language there is to preserve the malay language and to be proud of malay language as our national language. and for you to work in Malaysia. If you look at advanced countries like the US and UK, do you see many of their citizens go study 'overseas' ? No, so they get more manpower for their country, taught by their country and work for their country. Why would they want to use japanese language for all their university courses just because japan is advancing a lot.
Also, why do I have to explain all these? if Malaysian people are advanced enough to be GLOBALIZED i think many of them would have figured this out by themselves right.
you have to understand, people do not employ because of their race origin, BIG COMPANIES wont waste their time to employ certain candidates just because of their race or anything like that, so please dont simply blame on lame stuff like "its their geng.." whatever....its a lame excuse...
Im a malay, my father are those people who interview people, he work in LOCAL company OWNED by BUMIS, but still he complained or refuse to take people who dont have the capability to speak properly in english, and dont get me wrong either, HE DONT CARE WHETHER THEY COME FROM IPTS OR IPTA, in the end all that matters is first impression and the candidate's result...
whatever people say, in reality, ENGLISH IS A MUST, if you want my opinion no offense intended here, based on my experience malays have the capability to speak well in english, but they are too afraid or ashamed to speak english with their friends.
Trust me, IPTA students have good grammar and vocab, on the paper they write really well, but unfortunately their lack experience on speaking made them look dumb..so whatever people say, IPTA students are good in english but they just need to speak more...
as for others, their english grammar and vocab sux to the max, but they tend to speak english between themselves frequently, and this is how IPTS students attain their speaking skills
It is time for us to look at the bigger picture here, i know most of us(malays) want to preserve our language, or whatever because of our long history but take a step back and properly analyze the situation. Face the fact, even in the local company, WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH FOREIGNERS, even in the big company WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH FOREIGNERS, even in the government sector, WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH FOREIGNERS. So please, preserve our language as you want but keep it to yourself, in reality more company are becoming GLOBALIZED, and at the same time the more demands are required for people who can converse in english...
regardless on how you view the local education system, education ministry are focusing its people to becoming more versatile,thats why the ministry are focusing on using english on certain subjects. We learn english because we need to deal with foreigners(arabs, europeans, japs,) and not only with white people, we learn english not because we want to worship the language, no, far from that..
THE ONLY REASON IS THAT ENGLISH IS THE ONLY GLOBAL LANGUAGE (or:lingua franca) used by people around the world...thats why we need it..so assuming that learning english will cause the downfall of the local language is utter nonsense and paranoia, because in the end we only use it to deal with foreign people, and not to converse with people on daily bases..
Take note: this will give you the COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE in the fresh grad groups....
Finally, back to the topic, the factor for choosing IPTA or IPTS cannot be decided just because people say IPTS is better on english or IPTA is better on facilities and what not,
its far from that..all you need to do is identify which educational areas you are interested, and decide which universities gives a better advantage according to your preferred courses...
Don't be fooled by advertisements, and do your own research about certain colleges and universities before deciding...do this and you will never regret your decision. good luck...
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Apr 1 2009, 03:44 PM
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