i think apart from reputation wise, the language they use to teach is fairly important especially for fields like business.. being taught in english will have an added advantage as this will brush up the student's command of the language in order to prepare for their work life..

furthermore, it is generally known that IPTS like Monash, Sunway, Taylors are more in tune to the industry where their syllabus content are decided with consultation and input from the industry leaders...Sad to say the public uni are not so where politics interfere with the efficient running of the uni...

this is why so many top firms have standing arrangement to recruit on campus from IPTS

what you say are true to a certain extent.. But somehow I believe the intention of majority of the people who go for tertiary education is to find a job.. What is the opint if what you learn is not the content demanded by employer? we're not talking about reseacrh here... sorry to say that business graduate without the skills demanded by the industry itself are not the workforce required by the industry and at best can only be described as those with knowledge on paper but are not equiped for the real world.

the education sector serves to underpin the training and development of the nation's workforce in order to drive effeciency and growth in the industry sectors.. if it does not do so, then what is the point of the universities? just to let the youngsters have 4 years of fun?

Furthermore, it is this kind of shielded mentality that our public uni has that the public uni refuse to acknowledge international univerisites ranking and refused to improve.. each time the rankings are published, they will said they did not wnat to be included and quoting reasons such as biasness...they refused to openly admit that the public uni do have some weaknesses and continue to indulge in their pride whilst refusing to take concrite steps to improve their international standing? without uni with international standings (even if the quality is just a perception), how are we to attract multinationals to invest substantially in Malaysia as these multinationals would not want to invets in a country that does not have a skilled and sophiticated workfoce.. is it no wonder that Taiwan and Korea has overtake our country ?

This is because there is not yet a full fledged local private uni..Nevertheless, IPTS are quite good at certain specialist field..

take for example Sunway University College; its professional accountancy arm is one of the best ACCA tuition providers in the world where there are many students who got World and Malaysian prize very semester... Quite a few of the top affiliates( candidates who achieved overall highest marks) are from Sunway Uni' College.. In addition, for their A-Levels programme, they produce many of the students with the highest marks in the world..

Kemayan ATC and Brickfields Asia College excels in law... They are recognised as one of the institutions that produce the most 1st class honours graduates for their LLB (external system) awarded by university of London.. Quite a few of their students are granted a scholarship to pursue their law education in King's College London..Mind you, only 2 are awarded each year..

Isn't all these testaments to the strength and competitiveness of our IPTS?

However, I agree that there are many IPTS that are of low quality.. But to say that IPTS are lousier than IPTA is unwarranted.. In fact, in my opinion the above IPTS are even better than the IPTA in the fields mentioned..

my bad..i meant the uni that I said are not full fledged uni..sunway, bac, atc

those full-fledged private uni like Nottingham and Monash are definitely in the world ranking, and as such i did not use it in making my point.. i'm just pointing out that certain although IPTS without ranking, have international standing

if you are willing to spend the money in Monash, why not u try going for NUS?

you will be suprised, i have a fren who graduate from USM with bachelor of finance yet even he acknowledge that he is being passed over for promotions..at age of 28, his pay is still 3.5k only whereas my fren who graduate from Sunway (ACCA) are paid about 4.5k at age of 24...

i think it's quite fair comparison considering one the USM guy in BP, and Sunway guy in one of the big 4 firm... and both ahve the same years of experience as the USM guy graduate later..

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Added on November 27, 2010, 7:33 pmbut still the having a degree with 5 years working experience and still stuck at 3.5k pay is below par even with degree holders from IPTS, don't you agree? maybe there are other factors such as lack of soft skills...

and btw, i think most people queue for IPTA is because it cost less to study..a whole degree at less than 10k..i dunno about others but none of my friend who can afford went to IPTA especially those studying business and commerce as the tuition fees in IPTS for these course are affordable..oen of my frens' parents even said that they have never considered IPTA..

furthermore, have u seen statistics of unemployment in our country? 60k graduates from IPTA without jobs...most of those from IPTS get a job within 6 months whilst many of parents even securing jobs before the went for their finals.. IPTA are merely churning out graduates without considering the input from the industry on their skills requirements..if the graduates do not have the skills required by industry, then they can really be incorporated into the workforce unless further training is given which is an additional cost for them..

in my opinion, the syllabus of IPTA is too politically influenced where many of the subjects are unrelated to the fields the graduates are gonna work in..


This post has been edited by Knight_2008: Nov 27 2010, 07:33 PM

lol...i'm not really that anti-IPTA..it's just that i like to play the role of devil advocate..since so many ppl are bashing IPTS here, therefore i spoke in defense of IPTS..then we can have a balance discussion..both have good and bad actually...

returning to my role,

the subject of accreditation are fundamentally political..look at accountancy profession..to be a chartered accountant in Malaysia, one have to be a member of MIA...there are two routes to achieve that; one is to be a member of professional accountancy bodies like ACCA,CPA,ICAEW..second is to be a graduate from public universities like UM,USM...

this is considered a joke in our profession in that a degree holder is considered to be on par with the same technical knowledge and skills as a member of professional body... as such, even if government allow a public uni graduate to be a chartered accountant in Malaysia, Big 4 accountancy firms would require these graduates to purse foreign professional accountancy programmes..this will tell u whether the industry truly recognised these graduates or not...in paper they may, but deep inside they do not..

and one of most ironic thing is, the graduates from Oxford and Cambridge are not allow to directly registered as member of MIA without professional accountacy bodies membership whereas graduates from UM does..what a joke...does the government think UM is better than Oxford?

as for my opinion on the architecture industry, the government is merely raising barrier of entry by only recognising the public uni graduates..this does not mean the IPTA are better..try go otehr country and see if they recognised UM more than the degree awarded by private uni.. let's put this in perspective, is Proton really better than foreign car? not only their quality are just so so, they are actually more expensive..a honda city if without import duty will cost less than 50k...a korean car will be even cheaper where they are selling for 10,000 USD only..that is 30k ringgit..

and i quote from George Benard Shaw, one of teh founder of London School of Economics.. "Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it… "

this professional association are related to government..ar eusaying securities commission and bursa malaysia are government related?? they are established by the government

these professional bodies are established by the government to prescribe regulations for the profession...so that the government need to enact an ACT establishing these professional association and the subsequent changes to regulation governing these profession will not need to go through parliment. these are called subsidiary legislation..

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Added on November 27, 2010, 9:04 pm"MIA is a statutory body established under the Accountants Act, 1967 to regulate and develop the accountancy profession in Malaysia. To date, MIA has 27285 members."
http://www.mia.org.my/new/about.asp

"The Board of Architects Malaysia is a statutory authority responsible for the enforcement of the Architects Act 1967."
http://www.lam.gov.my/aboutus.html



This post has been edited by Knight_2008: Nov 27 2010, 09:04 PM

okay, then it's my bad

btw..the IPTS does not qualify, is it because they are not awarding their own degree but due to their twinning nature?

anyway, isn't IPTS like Taylor Uni also accredited?? http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/arc/arc_...ing2.php?id=267

icic...haha..my bad then

i understand your arguments, but do not expect me to share your viewpoint..

i do believe that criticizing the public university does not of itself make me any more of a betrayer to my own people...if it is true, then why a country needs an opposition? put it in this context, as parent you're supposed to support your child in their life, but does this means that you're not to criticize them whilst continue to sing praises of them even when they're wrong.. this mentality is what dragging our country down..party members of both divide blindly supporting their leaders regardless of the policies that are being discussed..(sorry, out of topic..lol)

Our Nation's public university were once the envy of the region..The university which we now called NUS was once UM... However, the intolerence to criticism and refusal to admit their mistake and improve is the reason why our public university starts to deteriorates.. each time they fall in ranking and people start to criticize them, they say the ranking are not fair...

my bad... esjudem generis; i meant those uni that are of the same league which have accountancy or programme like LSE..

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Added on November 28, 2010, 1:39 am

btw.. do u know, there is starting to be harmonisation of accounting standards where by 2012, malaysia will fully comply with IFRS; which mean studying degree in UK will be almost the same technical knowledge as here..the difference will be very minimal..

This post has been edited by Knight_2008: Nov 28 2010, 01:39 AM

agreed! but Violet imply that MIA should not recognised uni such as LSE as they ahve different syllabus which are imcompatible with local accounting standards.. i'm merely just pointing out that why MIA should also recognised foreign uni such as LSE as how they recognised UM..

nevertheless, I've heard that government is planning to take away public university's special privilege in that their graduates have to either sit for MIA qualifying exams or take professional accountancy bodies exam to gain entry into MIA in the future.. Government have remarked that they plan to make Malaysia a global accountancy service hub in that we export our services to foreign market.. (such as by attracting foreign investments by luring MNC to set up their accountancy function here)

icic..thanks for the info

agreed..just to clarify; i was not comparing IPTS and IPTA in general..merely between top tier IPTA and top tier IPTS (as defined by the SETARA)

agreed..maybe he should compare with nottingham and monash or even sunway

if u talk about top 200 uni, then i might agree with u that the grads will have better job prospect. if u say some chaplang uni overseas in countries like romania etc etc, then sorry, what you say i total b/s

This post has been edited by Knight_2008: Jul 27 2011, 05:26 PM