I thought he was the typical Oppenheimer/Watchmen character. The genius who helps create WMD then kena guilt-trip kao kao later. At least he sings

The worst character imo is Grunt. "I'm special because I love to fight!!!" okayyyy.....

But he doesn't feel guilty for what he did. He feels guilty for what it effected (Krogan civilization collapsing, Krogans becoming directionless, etc.) and that's it. The fervour with which he kept defending his actions was very well displayed and I certainly love Bioware for trying something so different.

Aside from the two Cerberus stooges, I also felt that Tali was kinda boring and Samara became fairly lame after swearing fealty to you.

Grunt is a Krogan at heart. They are always looking for fights.

garrus freak me out, especially doing his loyal mission.. i tot he should be paragon person.. he does change a lot

Paragon: Brainwashing heretics is morally good? This is weird because you're really not sure if what you did is good for the galaxy. Strong geth is bad for quarians and potentially bad for galaxy, even if they help against reapers. Also, I thought brainwashing is errr.... evil?

The stupid thing about geth storyline is the amount of ret-con done to wash the hands of geth. "Oh that wasn't me, that was my evil heretic twin brother"

Renegade: Let Cerberus have collector base. If Bioware didn't put this choice in the bottom right of dialogue wheel, I would have thought this is the morally better thing to do. Nice of them to clearly point out that it is evil.

Another thing I'm not sure, at this situation Mordin said it is the right thing to do. Was this a Mordin personal thing, or does every 2nd squad mate automatically outlines the advantage of the renegade choice?

He was never a paragon character. Good yes, but very renegade-ish. In ME1, he kept complaining about how C-Sec was so full of rules that he had to follow. Him being a vigilante is quite inline with his previous character.

Well, it was more of:
You have to get rid of these "heretics" one way or another. So, which one's better? Brainwashing them or murdering them all?

The retcon wasn't that bad though... I suppose it makes more sense since the Geth weren't actually created by the Reapers unlike the Collectors. Otherwise, it would be pretty coincidental that an AI race "just happened" to ally itself with the killer robot race as well. By that logic, EDI wouldn't even be considered.

Makes them feel more than just simple storm troopers.

The "technology" in the base was to create a Reaper by grinding organics into mush. That tech is kinda crazy.

And Mordin doesn't always say it. First time I brought him and Thane and Thane was against it. Second time, I brought Mordin and Zaeed and Zaeed was for it.

So in this situation, Mordin was against it?

He didn't say anything.

I think its a bit random which one will speak (Or depending on which combination of characters you choose) since Thane spoke even though he was my "left" slot character while Zaeed was in my "right" slot.

humm... I think it depends on whose with you at that time i suppose. Cause at that time, when Samara and Miranda was with me in the final stage, Samara didn't say anything and Miranda was against it. She also mention that she was leaving Ceberus

I think the Heretic would be useful in ME3 as they are all on your side.

I just ask them to brainwash them and thats it.It's better to have ally in the 3rd game than tonnes of dead robots.

About the Collector base,i gave it to Cerberus as he sacrificed a lot to bring Shepard back and through out the game,he wasnt that bad. Subzero's abuse was due to a bad management or something gone wrong. The disgusting experiment by Cerberus in ME1, i think, i'll forgive Illusive Man since he have fork out a lot for Shepard. He gave a ship, lots of great team mates for Shepard to assist to the suicide mission. I think it would be fair to give him the base as he seem to be more interested in humanity's survival.

Apparently,everyone was against it when im in Normandy after that mission. Except Subzero and Miranda who didnt say anything at all.Miranda was still flirting.

The worst is Grunt as he said it's better to use the base to fight against the enemy while on Normandy, he said that i shouldnt gave Cerberus that base. Hypocrite.

The brainwashing would simply just turn the Heretics into regular Geth. I don't think it means "Shepard's future robot army".

Also, I'm betting if you did give the base to Cerberus, in ME3, they'll do something nefarious like mulch up every other race to make some super human controlled reaper... That (Unsurprisingly) goes haywire and attacks humans instead.

Also remember, the Heretics account for maybe 5-10% of all geth (got this from the forums, true fact?). The geth beyond the veil, the 'normal' geth, aren't Heretics and if Legion can act as a sort of ambassador, who's to say we won't get a geth army in ME3?

I would bet that the Illusive Man will try to create his own Reaper, like Shepard said. Or maybe all these Paragon decisions will come back to bite us in the ass like it did in Dragon Age (Harrowmont thing).

I didn't really feel that my SHEpard owed the illusive man anything.. after she didn't ask to be brought back from the dead. It's his own fault for not wanting to implant the control chip in the first place. He spends most of the game manipulating her after all - by giving her missions with incomplete info that force you to make moral choices you really shouldn't have. yep he's a real ass. The heroes didn't have to deal with all this crap when recruiting in akira kurosawa's seven samurai.

You don't know what the geth will be like in the ME3 - they did absorb the consciousness and memories of the heretics after all. If you did really believe that the geths had a soul then surely they would deserve a shit at redemption.

I think you're confusing what Cheesenium was implying. He was implying that the Heretics would be your allies in the future... Not the actual Geth. The brainwashing virus was only meant to affect Heretics, not the regular Geth.

But essentially, at the end of Legion's loyalty mission, there will be no more Heretics, as they will all either be destroyed (That being their main hub station) or turned into regular Geth.