ok ok..chill down alpha_company..
i don know what is your grudge towards N82, but i am using it for a week now, and it's still ok..battery is slightly weak, but it's ok for me..
just think of it this way...obviously, when nokia come out with the first 8MP, which is N86, by default people will think of it as a camera phone, and most of us here would normally think that a camera phone will only be completed with a xenon flash...
it's just pure opinion actually, no point getting all fired up over it..

im not angry at n82..seriously..

i used an n81 as u know...u r a previous user of n81 also right.. quite expensive price but camera suxx..right?

most people won't take notice of a xenon flash or dont even know what a xenon flash is..

the people that argues about this lack of xenon flash will be people who read up on the reviews and people who posts in forums..

bottom line is, people will still buy n86

yes, i know what you are trying to say, most end users out there never even heard symbian before, or hardly know what it is, even though they are using a s60v3 device..so you can imagine people that knows what is a xenon flash..but for us here that knows all about this things, we cannot help but to ask for perfection..it's human nature, we never get satisfied.

throw all those aside, this is what i think of nokia for their recent moves:
nokia is being ignorance in the phone market lately..
for example, look at the design from N81, N78, N85, N79, N97 and going on..
they are basically the same mirror, glossy surface..just different colour..

also, for some people who look around other brand 8MP phones..they have face detection, smile shots and stuff, and samsung's new phone even provide video recording on 720p, but there is no info on this device capable of doing all the above..
and the thing that let me down the most, since nokia is putting all those theme effect, and larger res for their touch device, they should start using back the OMAP chipset they gave up, it provides much higher performance..some will say price matters, but the thing is, when you are already spending RM2.5k on a phone, i don think it matters if it's another RM200 if you really like the phone, and due to the OMAP, you phone specs can cope with more softwares in the future due to it's processing power, and as for now, people are already playing quake 3 on N82...

for people that thinks this is overkillings, i have experience on this..
i was using N81 8GB before i got N82, and i remember clearly that when i am playing ONE(ngage game) at my n81, i have to turn off the lighting just to ensure better gameplay framerate..this is a proof that nokia's phone spec itself are slowly incapable of coping with their own gaming platform..irony...

Enough already.. Nokia's Focus is correct ..make Good Handphones 1st not CameraPhones. The objective of the N82 was to prove that Xenon Capability on a phone is too much draining the rest of the fatures as a whole. You choose wether you want a camera or a phone.. Sometimes you cant have both of two world..Get an N82 with extra batteries. alrite already

Only consumers are fools to think N86 is somethin new.. Its just basiccaly N85 with 8MP on it..with rounded buttons.. lol

Im a nokia user.. but surely im a consumer 1st then nokia fanboy 2nd..

This post has been edited by intune: Feb 20 2009, 12:53 AM

well..i didnt really say it's off course..as alpha_company said, LED is getting better and better, and i agree with that..just stating out why people here arguing about this..
put the camera flash discussion aside for a while.i think nokia can do better in camera software, like face detection..
also, nokia havent really been have much breakthrough on video recording as well..if they can actually dump in 720p recording like samsung acme,this phone will be even popular after some price drop

yeah i agree with u and do understand.

by the way, n81 i think is the grandfather for all the recent design of nokia phones.. hehe don't u agree? n81 then n78 and dont forget the VERY similarly designed n96.

yeah i also kept myself updated of newer samsung phones like omnia, innov8 and the new replacement for innov8.. specs wise these samsung phones are phenomenal like face detection, video recording at 120fps etc...wow! and even more..

i own an n95 8gb and the OMAP does make the game much smoother and better looking. plus i think it processes the pictures taken much better and faster than 5MP non omap based phones like n85 or n79. but the downside of omap is it does eat up more batt life than non omap based phones.

n97 will have xenon right? or am i wrong? the diff with nokia is nokia is widely used so easier to find cheaper replacement parts and easier to charge ur phone maybe because ur friends are probably using nokia also. nokia is getting too comfortable with it's position in the phone market.

This post has been edited by alpha_company: Feb 20 2009, 01:16 AM

N97 will not be equipped with xenon..

the only nokia cameraphones with it is n82 and 6220 classic.. out of these two, n82 is the most decent one.. but it had a few hiccups like so-so design, no navi wheel, dim light etc.. that's why i needed something that could actually top n82..

having xenon doesn't necessarily drown the battery life.. take for example k850 and samsung g810. battery life is decent. what is important is how the drivers and hardware work with each other. nokia's idea of disabandoning xenon is just absurd.

btw, n85 had the perfect design that i desired.. if only n86 had similar design like n85, with gud navi wheel, better processing, and with xenon.. i'll be the first one to grab it. so right now i'll just wait for that phone to come..

This post has been edited by vetkin_gray: Feb 20 2009, 02:04 AM

k850 has both xenon and led right? it has a smaller screen, screen that displays 256k and that consumes less battery power than n82. this could explain for it having a decent batt life

g810's xenon flash is not as strong as n82 and some say the flash capability is comparable to new leds in other phones..ive read this in reviews. this could explain for it having decent batt life

the most important thing here to take note is that n82 uses omap chip inside it like n95 and this chip eats up more power than devices that doesnt have it

Come on guys this thread is talking about N86 its review and first impression... Is not for disscussing Xenon and other phone, please go stay to topic guys, please...

okay then... design wise the n86 looks kinda cheap to me. i know it is expensive but i also want other people who sees the phone at first glance to say that it is expensive and not just shiny...

like n96 with the silver all around the sides of it's body, it makes the phone look expensive/ sophisticated. and nokia should integrate some of this design in n86 and not just the shinyness of the body..

ok..my first impression of this phone, is a n85 with 8MP camera + 8GB internal storage...well done nokia, yet another 90% similar design
if you look close enough at the slider set, it's very very similar with the one n85 has, but that one acceptable, as n85 slider is really good
but other then that..the design, the keys(except for the menu key), the camera protector..
why can't nokia just come out with a something more unique..
i dont expect them to use different style for each of their phone, but glossy style have been use for how many phones already...nokia seriously need another phone designer...

this phone isn;t shiny enough.. it has a really grainy look. don't you guys think? the back looks matte. the rounded keys are the most hideous part of the phone, seem very outdated.. the slashing soft keys is a bit too over the top and distracting enough to make you take notice of it.. the back cover looks really cheap with really nothing to be proud off.. conclusion i wouldn't want to be seen carrying this ugly junk with me. i oso agree that nokia needs a new phone designer.. nokia has been quite infamous with the design of their phone..

But I think the finishing and quality is better compare to older model... 5800XM has a nice grip feel at the back cover... Hope this N86 does the same too...

i do agree with u on the keys..it looks ugly when it's rounded like that..it doesnt look sophisticated at all like an N-series phone should.

maybe the back cover is something like n95 8gb's cover.

are the sides on the front slider like e71's metal sides?

It does seem that the sides are metal.

ya, it seems so, but maybe not also
nokia has been using cheap material to cut cost and make their phones as affordable as possible, and since plastic is cheaper then metal, i think it's plastic with metal-like paint..

Nokia want to use as much advantage first
what i mean is they wanted to give the old function and just add one thing better than later only release a better phone with better feature and this cycle will repeat again and again

yes yes!! indeed...first N95, and N81, then the combine them, become N85 and N96..now that n85 is sellable, they try to boost this one by adding a higher MP camera with no improvement software wise..unless nokia put in face detection(and other sweet functions) and/or it's capable of recording in HD, i wouldn't be thrilled..

This post has been edited by BBXiong: Feb 20 2009, 11:30 PM

Is n97 similar to x1 ?

Only the form factor.