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 Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool 4-1 MU WELL DESERVED 3 Points!

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post Feb 20 2009, 10:58 AM

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I read somewhere last few days saying that Rafa will sign the extension of his contract and it serves a morale boost for the team before we travel to Bernabeau. This is all perfectly engineered.

No source. How i hope this will be the truth.

For MC match at home, don't be surprise if Stevie on the bench. There are few threats from the opponent's side, but anything less than 3 points will probably see us below MON's Aston Villa by Monday.
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post Feb 20 2009, 11:49 AM

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Stuart Slann, a dedicated Manchester United fan, drove 500 miles for a steamy affair with a woman he met on Facebook only to find out that he was being duped into an elaborate hoax constructed by two Liverpool fans he had upset while vacationing months prior.

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lol don't mess with liverpool fan.
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ManC and Copenhagen draws last night. From the lineup, I can tell Hughes used his best squad. So I hope the fatigue will accumulate and affect them this weekend. No early sub for protecting players means they are not afraid of us! or Hughes is very confident with his lads' fitness.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 20 2009, 10:16 AM)
Who the hell is MA?  shocking.gif

Anyway, if there is anyone who can bring success in shorter time, that's JM.MON might be able to.Others, I dont think so.
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oops.. i spelled it wrongly, should be MO = Martin O'neill. aikz.. don know i spell correct or not. i wonder if rafa is leaving, jose will express his interest to manage us or not.
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manc were lucky to win.
the copenhagen keeper made an embarassing blunder, that would make david james proud, to concede their first goal.


and someone has to really convince dalglish to come out of retirement.
perhaps offer him a spot as consultant to sammy lee if rafa goes.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 20 2009, 12:13 PM)
manc were lucky to win.
the copenhagen keeper made an embarassing blunder, that would make david james proud, to concede their first goal.
and someone has to really convince dalglish to come out of retirement.
perhaps offer him a spot as consultant to sammy lee if rafa goes.
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He got an eye for talent.Anyway, he stopped managing club since 9 years ago.... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 20 2009, 10:10 AM)
Is not like I want rafa to go but if he really does, I agree that Lee shouldnt take up the job.He is good as number 2 but he just couldnt manage the club as gaffer.Anyway, bringing in new manager might take 1-2 years before the team is stable and mount a serious title challenge...Not worth trying, better stick with rafa.
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Somehow, maybe he's not meant to be no 1. These days it's difficult to find a no2 who do as well as no 1.

QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Feb 20 2009, 10:12 AM)
i think MA and jose is the best for us if rafa to leave. i don mind if jose come over.
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As much as i hate it, JM seems a much wiser options

QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 20 2009, 12:13 PM)
manc were lucky to win.
the copenhagen keeper made an embarassing blunder, that would make david james proud, to concede their first goal.
and someone has to really convince dalglish to come out of retirement.
perhaps offer him a spot as consultant to sammy lee if rafa goes.
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How i wish King Kenny would be back but its all wishful thinking
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post Feb 20 2009, 03:30 PM

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King Kenny to manage Liverpool...that would be awesome....again...
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post Feb 20 2009, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 20 2009, 03:30 PM)
King Kenny to manage Liverpool...that would be awesome....again...
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I think its nice to be reminiscent of the past ... especially a past that was trophie ladden ... but wud bringing him back be the wisest thing to do? I mean football today isnt wat it is 10 years ago, let alone however long its been since kenny left the anfield.

Today we're talking abt how players are protected by referees, and how the English league wud need a home-grown ruling to bring the roots back in a continental players-infested league, the vulture-esque media and how the mechanics of that industry can topple the greatest kings of the game with one twist of the pen, instant-success-hungry owners with bulging pockets who are better at putting the club within risk of bankruptcy than spreading harmony within the institution...

Having said that, i havent a clue wat hes been doing since then, but if ure telling me ud rather have kenny ahead of rafa at this point of time, id say ur having ure emotions ahead of u.

To be fair, rafa is doing a better job at the league than houllier did .... in terms of consistency of course. But ... wud be nice to see some old-school football wudnt it ? unfortunately .. thats not what keeps u in the game anymore! smile.gif
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Well, at least its nice if he was back in football, maybe as a coach or assistant to rafa tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aboogee @ Feb 20 2009, 04:20 PM)
I think its nice to be reminiscent of the past ... especially a past that was trophie ladden ... but wud bringing him back be the wisest thing to do? I mean football today isnt wat it is 10 years ago, let alone however long its been since kenny left the anfield.

Today we're talking abt how players are protected by referees, and how the English league wud need a home-grown ruling to bring the roots back in a continental players-infested league, the vulture-esque media and how the mechanics of that industry can topple the greatest kings of the game with one twist of the pen, instant-success-hungry owners with bulging pockets who are better at putting the club within risk of bankruptcy than spreading harmony within the institution...

Having said that, i havent a clue wat hes been doing since then, but if ure telling me ud rather have kenny ahead of rafa at this point of time, id say ur having ure emotions ahead of u.

To be fair, rafa is doing a better job at the league than houllier did .... in terms of consistency of course. But ... wud be nice to see some old-school football wudnt it ? unfortunately .. thats not what keeps u in the game anymore! smile.gif
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agree, good posting.

kenny may have brought quite some trophies, but he hasn't been in management for years. to bring him back all of a sudden, it's more suicidal than good.

RB may not be the best manager around, but at least we see improvements from season to season. i haven't seen the squad playing smooth passing a la arsenal for the past decade, and now RB has turned liverpool into one of the best in the league. remember all the pump-the-ball-forwards game plans?

we're playing good football, getting some decent results, significant improvements, now it's whether the fans and yanks are patient enough to wait for the title with RB, or sack him and get another guy who'll eventually be given another 5-years timeframe to build another team which normally means no titles for the next 5 years.

i've always been baffled as to why abrahimovich sacked mourinho when he was bringing all the trophies to chelsea. they already had a winning formula with mourinho but a new coach comes in, try some changes and failed to land the trophy, sacked, another one comes in, fail, sack, the cycle goes on. if there's someone to blame for chelsea's downfall and failure to win trophies (especially this season), it's because RA is too impatient.

i certainly don't want to see liverpool going the same way.
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so senyap =___+
cant wait to see liverpool in action again!
this coming weeks, gonna be interesting! cause it's going to be March!!

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...090220-1650.htm

am i understanding the odds correctly here?
in that if Liverpool wins, u lose money? tongue.gif

Liverpool 4/7
Draw 11/4
Man City 11/2
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 21 2009, 03:27 AM)
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...090220-1650.htm

am i understanding the odds correctly here?
in that if Liverpool wins, u lose money? tongue.gif

Liverpool 4/7
Draw 11/4
Man City 11/2
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lol!! well it's like u bet Rm7, if Liv win, u only get Rm4 whistling.gif
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post Feb 21 2009, 10:50 AM

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Riera has the same odds of opening scoring with Bellamy... LOL...
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post Feb 21 2009, 11:05 AM

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KIN KENNY.... cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...england&cc=4716

All dynasties come to an end. Whisper it, Manchester United's edifice will one day crumble and when those days do arrive, their fans will anxiously recall their predecessor as England's leading club and pray it does not take them anywhere near as long to recover from their fall from grace.

The harrowing effects of the Hillsborough Disaster and its aftermath on the manager led to Dalglish's eventual departure.
In the always 20-20 vision of retrospection, Liverpool's decline may have already been in session, yet one date always rings out as that when the club's playing fortunes began to collapse.

Sunday, February 22, marks the anniversary of Kenny Dalglish's resignation from his Anfield managerial post. Back in February 1991, Liverpool, defending league champions, though showing signs of fragility, were still the pre-eminent force in the old First Division.

This was not the club's first "JFK" moment. In 1974, Reds fans had been stunned when Bill Shankly quit one July morning. Those feelings of bewilderment emoted in TV footage showing shocked fans being told by reporter and future rock impresario Tony Wilson that "Shanks" had retired were echoed by the amazement that greeted the abdication of "King Kenny". Though the signs had been in place for a while, few had seen it coming.

February 20's legendary 4-4 FA Cup draw with Everton at Goodison saw the away side surrender a lead four times. It was the night Dalglish decided he had enough. His team had defended horribly, the last equaliser coming from a Glenn Hysen mistake that let in Tony Cottee to take the tie to a second replay Liverpool would eventually lose. By then the club had changed forever. Eighteen years on, prior to the two clubs' recent series of matches that conjured up memories of bygone derbies, Dalglish admitted that blind panic had struck him before the Everton sub had struck that eighth goal.

"I knew that night I had to go," he said. "After we took the lead for the final time I was standing on the touchline and I knew that I had to make a change to shore things up at the back. I could see what had to be done and what would happen if I didn't do it, but I didn't act on what I knew I had to do. That was the moment I knew."

Accounts of the post-match Liverpool dressing room have documented scenes of insurrection with rottweiler-like coach Ronnie Moran joining Ian Rush in lambasting the defence. Everton player Pat Nevin later said the noise could be heard from the Everton dressing room, saying: "It was mental. We were elated because we had got away with a 4-4 draw, but our lads went quiet when they heard all that. It was kicking off like nothing on earth." Dalglish, meanwhile, is said to have stood with his back to the wall, breathing heavily and saying nothing.

Dalglish then went silently to his Southport home to let those closest know of his inner turmoil. "The wife was busy planning my 40th birthday and I just came in that night and told her I was done. I needed the break. I was shattered and Marina was stunned," he recalled. The following day he met with club chief executive Peter Robinson and the chairman and handed in his resignation. The news was made public on a Friday while Liverpool's players were training on Luton Town's plastic pitch in preparation for a Saturday league game with the Hatters.

Liverpool, who had been top of the First Division table, lost 3-1 at Kenilworth Road and were overtaken that day by Arsenal, who celebrated the deposing of their rivals' monarch with a 4-0 romp against Crystal Palace. Until this season, Liverpool have rarely been in as good a league position since. The following week, club captain Alan Hansen called time on his playing career as a long-term knee injury finally gave out on him. As Dalglish walked away, Moran, a graduate of Shankly's famous "Boot Room", took over the reins for a while, before making it clear that he did not want the job full-time.

Hansen soon declared his lack of interest in management, saying he wanted his hair "to stay relatively black". Eight weeks after Dalglish's departure, in strode the third member of the triumvirate of Scots who had been key to Liverpool's European and domestic dominance of the previous decade.

Though he inherited a team that was ageing badly and needed overhauling, Graeme Souness' reign, despite the lifting of the FA Cup in 1992, is ultimately remembered as a failure, most keenly for his sale of the story of his heart bypass operation to The Sun, the tabloid that had so defiled the memory of those who had died in the Hillsborough disaster.

It is the effects of those horrific events in April 1989 that are most often blamed for Dalglish's decline and eventual fall. In the aftermath, Dalglish had acted as his club's ambassador, attending as many fans' funerals as he could, while trying to keep the football flame alive. Grief can often have a delayed effect, leading to the type of depressive breakdown that Dalglish eventually suffered. In his 1997 autobiography he confessed that at the time of his leaving of Liverpool he had felt as if his head would explode.

The 1988/89 season had ended with a conclusion of almost indescribable drama as Michael Thomas' last-minute strike grabbed the title for Arsenal at Anfield. Dalglish's demeanour that night, as opposing manager George Graham tried in vain to stop his players celebrating too wildly barely six weeks after Hillsborough, was one of catatonic shock, with ITV commentator Brian Moore saying: "Dalglish just stands there." That face of stark dejection would be echoed 20 months later at Goodison Park.

In the interim, Liverpool had regained the league title in 1990, their 18th and so far their last. Though this was no vintage triumph. After all, the team that had run them closest, Graham Taylor's Aston Villa, had featured a strike force of Ian Ormondroyd and Tony Cascarino.

The addition of Swedish defender Hysen had done little to augment a backline that had failed to adequately replace Mark Lawrenson and featured Hansen on his last legs. A catastrophic 4-3 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Crystal Palace had denied them a chance of the double but also exposed their growing frailties.

The following season saw Liverpool again at the top of the table in January. Though again, this was no vintage crop of opponents. With Manchester United still rebuilding, Villa lapsing after the loss of Taylor to the England job, Everton in decline and Leeds only just back in the top division after a decade of absence, it was left to Arsenal to again be the challengers. Graham's team were far stronger this time, with goalkeeper David Seaman now augmenting that fabled defence.

On December 2, the Gunners had crushed their rivals 3-0 at Highbury, their relentless chase for a second title in three years beginning to gather momentum. They would end the season with just one defeat, seven points clear of Liverpool, the tale of the season told by their concession of a mere 18 goals to Liverpool's 40.

Prior to his resignation, the cracks had been beginning to show at Anfield. Tales of a rift between Dalglish and record signing Peter Beardsley have been latterly denied but the club was doing something it had rarely done during a quarter of a century of unmatched success; airing dirty linen in public.

Beardsley had been dropped for the Highbury game and Dalglish's transfer policy, which had revived the club in 1987 with the triple signings of Beardsley, John Barnes and John Aldridge, was faltering.

Aldridge had already gone, unable to get in ahead of the returned Ian Rush. Recent signings David Speedie, a 31-year-old with an infamously combustible temperament and Jimmy Carter, a Millwall winger who would play just five times for the club, did not look up to the Liverpool standard and were seen as panic buys that perhaps personified the mindset of the manager.
When Dalglish walked away, his dignity remained as intact as his place in the club's history. Yet there is a post-script to the story, revealed by the man himself last month. In an echo of Bill Shankly's failed attempt to un-resign his job just weeks after Bob Paisley had been handed the reins in that summer of 1974, Dalglish has admitted that he soon regretted leaving.

"I needed the break, I needed the rest," he said. "After two weeks I got what I needed and I'd have been ready to go back, but the phone never rang. No-one ever asked me how I was doing or whether I'd reconsider returning and the club went on and appointed Graeme." In a classic case of what might have been, the club he left behind has never been the same since.''



Dont think he will survive modern football though. Let him remain where he is..forever etched in our memory as one of Liverpool's most talented footballer AND manager ever.
PS- not sure if its posted already. havent been here for almost 2 weeks.. if yes, so, i will remove. wink.gif wink.gif

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dammm 1 more day to go =___=
anyway aston Vs Chelski.. interesting match!
and Blackburn to hold Mana? hopefully
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Feb 21 2009, 03:05 PM)
dammm 1 more day to go =___=
anyway aston Vs Chelski.. interesting match!
and Blackburn to hold Mana? hopefully
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Is good that the match is on Sunday biggrin.gif

Now the streamyx speed is extremely slow, I cant stream it if the match is tonight.Hope they can fix it before the match tongue.gif
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why need to stream...go mamak n watch ler
well, talk abt mamak.. i still rmb, ages ago when im still studying at subang(metro)
the match betweem Liv Vs Arsenal and scoreline is 2-1 (melor his name?) score from kinda far away..
i love that match! hhaha...arsenal fans were shouting when they score the equaliser...and when liv score...i stand on the chair n claps my hand!! haha..
and i can see those "eye's" of hateness looking at me..well..that time i got 8 of my friends and they r all fighter! haha..didnt bother me at all with those "eye's" while i cheering

how abt ur experience?
oh yea, still rmb the match in istanbul (i was at Aus) hehe..tt's kinda funny n happy moment rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Feb 21 2009, 03:19 PM)
why need to stream...go mamak n watch ler
well, talk abt mamak.. i still rmb, ages ago when im still studying at subang(metro)
the match betweem Liv Vs Arsenal and scoreline is 2-1 (melor his name?) score from kinda far away..
i love that match! hhaha...arsenal fans were shouting when they score the equaliser...and when liv score...i stand on the chair n claps my hand!! haha..
and i can see those "eye's" of hateness looking at me..well..that time i got 8 of my friends and they r all fighter! haha..didnt bother me at all with those "eye's" while i cheering

how abt ur experience?
oh yea, still rmb the match in istanbul (i was at Aus) hehe..tt's kinda funny n happy moment  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Well, only retards will fight with others when their team lose.I mean what's the point of fighting just because of your team lose.The winning team supporters have the right to celebrate.You can just walk away if you don't like it.

My experience---> when I was watching the match between us and manu.We(me and my friends) were half drunk even before the match is over.Then, when babel scored the winning goals, we stood up on the chairsm,dancing and yelling and the manu supporters were like annoyed with us and walked out of the bar. tongue.gif

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