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This post has been edited by darren chia: Mar 24 2012, 12:19 AM

of course yes. you see your lecturers are still alive, right ? That mean they have enough money.

But, if you want to be in term with the job, please be patient with students.

as far as i noe all lecturers are succesfull ppl..

lecturer in lyn is azarimy.. lecturer very successful..just look at the car your lecturer drive noe d... what field u in? might need to spend sometime b4 u actually bcome lecturer..not so easy as other jobs

yup.. atleast master/phD.. n time consuming..

there are two choices when it comes to lecturing: IPTA or IPTS. each has very different outcome, depending on how u see it.

at the moment, IPTAs will definitely turn u into an academician, as the government will automatically sponsor u for ur masters and PhD wherever u wanna go (yes, even to the most expensive universities in the world as long as u can qualify for it). then there will be a contract for 7 years, which normally u can use to get at least an associate professor title. by then, ur basic salary would reach about RM6k (add about RM1.5k for allowances etc). this does not include any consultancy jobs or practice u do outside (which most lecturers are recommended to do).

in IPTS, u're more of a professional who teaches. meaning it is always assumed that u will be working as a professional in the related fields while at the same time teaching the students. this would mean u will be less involved in research, hence there is no need for them to send u to do ur masters or PhD. but there are a few dedicated academics in each course, but their number is small. i do know that some IPTS sponsor a small number of their staffs for PhD, but i'm not aware of the duration of the contract.




that's just briefly. there's a similar topic in the Jobs section where this have been discussed in quite detail.

Depending on the type of courses that are still marketable..... IPTS usually are on the look out for potential lecturers to teach in their institutions.

well in my college, which is Sunway UC, for foundation program,normal lectures can get 4k to 6k, senior lecture can get 6K to 8k, and foundation program director can get up to 10K.
IINM, tho.

still doing pre-u atm. considering my choices

lecturering is a respectful job. but there are sacrifices if you intend to be one, in any of the discipline or institutions, that is, if you wish to be a good lecturer.

nonetheless, it is surely a rewarding career, not a job.

good luck and keep focused.

lecturing good la. working hours very flexible for lecturers in my uni. if got no class, no need to come in. so you've got alot of free time. thats what i'll like. hahahaha...

pay wise, not that bad for lecturer. but tutor, its pretty low.

well, initial prospects are high and u get good reputation, but to really earn $$$? not really an option.

Depends on which college/uni also rite? But you see Taylor's College so rich, they pay the lecturers very low ( cannot tell SOS ).

wow i didn't know about that. i tot Taylor's College Lecturers should have high pays.

anyway how high the pay is depends on the particular Uni and of coz ur qualification.

i guess Sunway should have higher pay than any other Uni right?

wao..tats a really TOP secret info u got there......

actually, IPTS dont pay their lecturers as much as u think they do. but it's still higher than most other jobs. and since they are private companies, they can pay u whatever rate they deem appropriate, not what u believe u should get.

i have a couple of friends working in IPTS. if u're good, u'll advance pretty quick and easily earn RM6k even without a masters. but if u're bad (or perceived by the management/admin as bad), u'll stay at RM2.5k. better yet, if they could find a better replacement, OUT you go!

in IPTAs, they dont normally kick u out unless u broke the laws or something. but what they'll do is transfer u to another university or college where u'll do less harm. or maybe transfer u to administrative duties.

salary wise, if u're DAMN good, IPTAs could pay u up to RM15-18k as a full fledged professor.

so no one answered my question yet? i mean after pre-u where to advance to if im interested in this field?

u didnt ask that, kiddo .

here's the thing about becoming an academician/lecturer: u dont study to become a lecturer. so there's no specific pre-u or degree that u would have to take to become a lecturer. to become a lecturer in a particular field, u need atleast a masters or about 10 years working experience in a particular field. for example, if u wanna be an accountancy lecturer, then u'll need an accountancy degree/masters or relevant qualifications. u cant become an accountancy lecturer with an engineering degree, can u?




btw, what's ur highest education to date?

My lecturer drives a Silver, a MRS and and a SLK. -___-" Conspiracy theory much?

azarimy, if my memory serves me right all the IPTA lecturers have to go through some sort of special colleges for lecturers right? Like the ones in Bandar Tun Razak, KL. My cousin wish to become a lecturer and she doesn't know where to headstart.

depends on which university are u in

not that i'm aware of.

as far as i'm concerned, lecturers of any kind, IPTA or IPTS, dont need to go some special training colleges just to become a lecturer.

as for ur cousin, she can start by getting a degree.

Depending which area you wanna venture in. e.g. you wanna be E&E lecturer, obviously take up any certs related to it.
But then one thing for sure, in edu line, things move pretty slow because you need to obtain the appropriate qualification to teach at colleges and unis. by the time your friends are all done with their studies, working and earning quite okie, you are still struggling to get at least a masters. however, with patience, eventually you'll be earning not bad too later. Im doing my masters now because I wanna go into the teaching line as well.

This post has been edited by LoveMeNot: Jan 20 2009, 09:37 PM

WHAT A BOARING JOB....

yes, being a lecturer here is good. i think msian still lack of academicians. either in private or local uni, is a good prospective.

of course ada future. Can make quite a lot of money as well.

boaring ? (boaring or boring ?)
It's actually not as long as you have the passion in teaching.

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jan 20 2009, 10:53 PM

not an easy job to get... not everyone can become a lecturer and not every can manage to complete their phd...

lol

This post has been edited by darren chia: Mar 24 2012, 12:19 AM

Thats what ppl think..but it's not advisable to do tht.

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Added on January 21, 2009, 3:07 pm depends on what kind of bachelor of arts..there's always an opportunity for u if u get a good result. my gf just got into a private college as a contract tutor..for the first 5-6mths contract she will be offered rm1.9k. she got degree in TESL. U just study hard and get a good result ok.

This post has been edited by theanswer: Jan 21 2009, 03:07 PM

How about lecturing at monash sunway or nottingham? my cousin got an offer as lecturer (about to complete her phd soon from singapore's nus), monthly pay about RM7k net. She think the money is not that fantastic but she is in it for the future, as in the experience clocked with monash or nottingham will be useful for future career advancement.

i told her better stay in singapore and lecture in polytechnic, will earn at least S$5k per month. well, its her future though... any lecturers from monash or nottingham wanna comment on the work environment there? politics? etc etc...

of course...my lecturer change cars every few months. each time changing to a much expensive car

.. not bad..like dat i also wanna work as lecturer d..your cousin in monash or nottingham to get 7k?

got shortcut to get masters in science also..1 yr only..my boss interviewing candidate for scientist then quite a few applicant got their degree and masters very fast...23 yrs old got masters in science d with some kind of private university or college..but not sure which...

But to move the ladder, one would need to build up research publications. Which is what good uni trains phd students to do, and is what monash looks for cos they started to be research intensive 2 yrs ago.

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This post has been edited by Ellewaikay: Oct 14 2012, 12:45 AM

i dont really mind what kind of lecturer i am as long as get a lot of money... need to be lecturer then only can get a lot of publications unless u work as phd student for many many yrs...

Er...i think no link between being a lecturer and being able to get lots of publications. Rather, to become a lecturer (or assistant professor in usa context) in good university, u need lots of publication. And a good lecturer should have lots of publications.... it rhymes

If u r talking about a couple of thousands, yes...but not more than that.

owh u'll be surprised...

i want to be surprised. How much?? Eh suddenly after reading this thread. Im beginning to get more interested in Lecturing. Teach ME

This post has been edited by visionary1993: Jan 21 2009, 07:01 PM

lecturers income does not come from salary alone. u think with RM5-7k salary u can afford a bungalow, several big cars and all the luxuries?

(and no, i'm not talking about anything illegal )

if u look at lecturers' salaries, u wont find anything special. but what u should ask them is their income tax. then u'll realize how much the lecturers REALLY earns.

You must be earning a lot of money then. That sound contrary with what you said before "local lecturer is underpaid"

underpaid due to basic salary, yes. but doesnt mean we're having no other income. i'll give u my own personal example:

i. publications

at the moment i'm not involved in any academic writings, but i was involved in publishing students' works and other faculty related jobs. as an assistant editor, i was paid about RM600-RM1.2k per job, which usually lasts between a week to 3 weeks. if i'm publishing my own work or book, then the pay is significantly higher, not including royalties i might get.

ii. consultations

as an architect, i still have to practice to maintain my knowledge in the industry. although i'm only involved in design stage (which truly not a hard thing to do), i'm paid between RM2.5k to RM4k per job. this freelancing jobs span between 3 weeks to 3 months. if i go part time, then the pay would be more consistent, around RM1.5k to RM2.5k per month. but if i practice as a full fledged architect part time, then the pay is about RM4k to RM6k per month.

iii. knowledge sharing

as academics we're often called to other educational institutions to give lecture or share our knowledge. at the moment the minimum pay for us is RM200 per hour. with a PhD it'll go higher, and ofcourse with a professorship, u can definitely demand alot. for example, i taught UTM's SPACE programme for 6 credit hours per week. that's easily RM1200, RM4800 per month.



there are other things also. like i said, the basic salary is low. but doesnt stop u to earn more

WOW.. suddenly feel like my goal want to be lecturer d...is it the thing u mention for public uni lecturer only or private uni oso get those benefit?

But azarimy must have doing a lot of hard work. It sounds challenging to take so much jobs at the same time.

I beg to differ. It varies with the kind of college or university you are working with. Those working in small colleges only get a couple of thousands, and heck, not even reaching 5k...It depends on the college/ university you working in.

so you mean we will get fired?

well, just make sure u have a passion for academia. the money is just the by-product of what we do. none of us do this bcoz of the money, u know.

at the moment, only IPTA lecturers enjoy those benefits. labour law applies strongly here. in IPTS, lecturers dont get as much free time as IPTA lecturers. with whatever pay they receive, the university will squeeze every ounce of ur strength into teaching as many students as u can. this is totally wrong, but to them it's business. tak suka, keluar .

alot of work, yes. but most of them arent that hard to me. just make sure u enjoy the work and the outcome, then nothing will be that hard.

i agree with u. which is why i EXPLICITLY use myself as an example. it's not a blanket statement.

yes. remember, it's nothing personal. all business to them . if u dont perform, say bye-bye.

better work for few years b4 start teaching, if not ur student wont respect or even listen to you.

this is what happend in my class. for those very young lecturer(probably a fresh graduate, <30 years old), the student won't listen to him in the class(me as well). i think they are less experience in many thing and the example they give is sth similar to primary school level.

a.k.a part-time teaching.

my cousin told me monash does not allow their own faculty members to teach else where as faculty is their own asset and should not share with others. wat a pity.

i heard all new lecturers in IPTAs have to undergo 'kursus induksi'. can anyone tell me what that's about?? do they have this sort of thing in IPTS?

no, not part time teaching. part time teaching is different as u would be teaching OUTSIDE working hours.

sharing of expertise is normal as academics are often officially invited through the top channels. meaning top people in university A meets top people in university B and agrees to some form of expertise exchange. i believe even monash practices sharing of expertise, that's why they opened a branch in malaysia. it'll be stupid not to share, bcoz when the expertise are shared, the individuals will become a referred experts. and each time the expert is referred to, it will boost their international ranking in THES.

Is it possible for a IPTS lecturer of the age 35 with master holder applies for IPTA lecturer ? In that case, the salary will start from beginning or according to lecturing experience & qualifications ?

it is possible. but i'm not sure about the salary.

i'm pretty sure it doesnt start from the bottom. even if it does, the individual will excel during the next PTK exam and climb to the top ladder within the next year.

lecturer ? bright future ...

usually those who become lecturer are majority in their 40s and they are having a stable life and some is to avoid those competition in working world ...

but from what i see ... lecturer do have a bright future in malaysia

It's soo true, my dad is a lecturer and most of his income comes from his consultation and talks, that's why he don't even bother to accept an offer from some IPTS although they paid quite handsomely bcoz if u minus all the time + workload it's not even worth it

Call me old-fashioned or whatever, I still think teaching is a noble profession. Please set it in your mind that you wanna become a lecturer to share & impart knowledge to people and to nurture young minds. Don't simply enter the academic world just to earn money. From my observations, good lecturers are always those with the passion in their fields. If you don't have the passion to teach, later you'll lose momentum and get bored, probably becoming a half-assed lecturer afterwards .

For a start, you should study hard and get good results. Nowadays, universities are only accepting applicants to masters programs with at least 2nd class upper degrees (I think UM has just implemented this prerequisite, for fresh grads you can't register for masters programs if you get <3.00 cgpa. Other unis I dunno). Try to get a 1st class degree for your undergraduate studies then scout around for scholarships for masters/phd programs, during my final year I saw scholarships to Japan, Singapore, HK etc. being advertised at my school. So with good results, doors will open for you. Also be more active in your university, might help in your scholarship application.

Another path is by becoming a research assistant to a lecturer after you graduated. This way, you'll be doing masters by research. The lecturer will pay you accordingly; different lecturer will give different pay I think. Masters by research can be completed within 1.5 year. If your research is really good, you might apply to convert your masters project into phd.

Good luck.

got 1 thing i dun understand... since azarimy say lecturer is good then how come my lecturer last time always say become lecturer no good then salary so little?? they bluff us or izzit their expectation too high?

like i said, basic salary is nothing to shout about.

if ur lecturer only sits there and teach without doing research, publications, consultations or so on, then he's salary is just a little bit more than cikgu sekolah.

I got 2 lecturer say their salary low..

one is a new lecturer just work 1 yr like dat.

then another one is associate prof and got a lot of research going on cuz we in science so he got take in masters and phd student..sure got publications coming out

why like dat?

which university are they from?

assuming from an IPTA, if the new lecturer is a tutor, then his salary would be around RM2k. the assoc prof, if he has a PhD, would get around RM5.5k basic.

why like what?

My lecturer's salary touches 20k a month. He lectures for about 18 hours per week on average. Of course, I have no idea if he gives consultation/talks. But what I know is just his pay from lecturing

from usm..my lecturer i mention is phd lecturer.. u mean new phd lecturer will get rm 5.5k rite... ass. prof i think shud b higher rite... and the rm 5.5 basic u mean dun include cost ofliving allowance yet rite... so much stillll wonder why they say not enuff... new lecturer can get ard rm6k still not enuff meh..

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Added on January 25, 2009, 6:50 pmwhich uni u from? and how u know his pay how much?? just guessing rite..is he like a prof or dean or something?

This post has been edited by f4tE: Jan 25 2009, 06:50 PM

yeah, i know someone who lectures 6 days a week and his income is about 20k. He does occasional workshops and seminars as well. Someone i know who is in insurance earns about 12k to 15k pm from lecturing in a private college and from seminars. *Sigh* i live in a residential area that has many full time uni lecturers around...u shud see the cars they have in their front porches. They get paid well for doing a rewarding job that they probably love. Good eh?! Of course, the ppl i speak of are good in what they do...

I have another scenario where the IPTS lecturer is about the age of retirement and apply for lecturing in IPTA, any chance ?

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jan 25 2009, 07:34 PM

i think lecturer can earn lots of money. but i also heard that Tutor at taylor pay very low lor...

oh well... i think it's a brillant prospect job. coz i can see my lecturers drive wat kind of car... u can see their salary then...

probably diorang tu tak reti bersyukur kot.

but it's true, as compared to other countries, our pay is quite small. lecturers should be getting about RM10-12k. that's the standard international rate.

same answer as i've given before.

my lect drive old saga.. but got 14yrs experience... at his house i donno what type cars that he owns

This may proof him/her not a car lover, as long as the car still ok then enough already.
Lecturer in Malaysia consider good jor, compare with my foreign lecturer, he goes by foot to faculty every morning and walk back to his hostel.

Not a compulsory to lecture in Malaysia ... As long as you have experience ... You can go almost everywhere .

I think become lecturer in Malaysia consider not bad, my faculty got some lecturer who able to teach foreign student too. Not need to go oversea unless you have your own view and gaining experience.

Depends on the individuals ... HE can even open a new uni

lecturer best ma class pon sikit.budak x payah jaga.cukup bulan gaji masuk abis cerita.

if only it's that simple...

i guess so,because i see a lot of lecturers goyang kaki only.

owh... lecturers have flexibly hours for classes, and in research, working by deadline. meaning u might see them goyang kaki, but doesnt mean they're not doing anything at all.

Lecturer actually do have a lot of pressure as they're teaching the future of the country . They have to research ... Read a lot and stuffs to teach the students about the world's current economic and such . It also requires a lot of knowledge to become one .

If you are lecturer and suddenly your students ask you something(a topic relevant to your teaching) quite tough and you can't answer it, what a shame!!
Sometimes they are tension of some matters like students' problem, course syllabus, assignment....

I agree with all of your points accept the part about teaching.

the hallmark of a good lecturer is even if they don't know the correct answer, they'll give an answer that makes you think that it's the correct answer

That is the typical way of answering question of most lecturers. They don't need to explain why this and that because it's the students' responsibility to find out the answer.

And thus , Creating a debate and a discussion . = Students and both lecturer learn together

Well, I guess that would the better solution than (the lecturer) provide a wrong answer. Through discussion and debate, the best answer will be concluded as the correct answer. In that way, lecturer could avoid any unnecessary accuse.

Yep ... And that could be fun . And students could learn more

now wouldnt it be easier if the lecturer ALWAYS say he doesnt know and tells the students to find out themselves?



but noooooo... students nowadays think lecturers are god that knows everything. if they dont know, they'll say the lecturer is lousy, crap and not worth the money they pay for . i know, coz i've been there.

Life is hard ... Each decision leads to another happiness and uncertainties ...

It's so true that students can't accept 'i don't know' for an answer..they would even make noise if the lecturer ask them to figure it out themselves as they are used to being spoonfed all the time

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Jan 28 2009, 10:44 PM

yeah ! That's why lecturer must reply the annoying question with something like " This is a good question. It is actually an advanced syllabus. You will learn it soon. It can be easier to understand with theory A, B and C (whatever related theories out of your mind) which you haven't learn them. Since we don't have enough of time for it. Please study those theory first and you must get understand later on."

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jan 28 2009, 10:54 PM

i hate it when we ask question then lecturer ask us to go find out... if u can get the answer we dun need to ask them d..they shud provide expalnation... geez

how many people actually seek the answer elsewhere before asking the lecturer?

Sometimes students do looking for answers by themselves but the matter is: the answer's coverage so broad, which 1 is correct and better?
i prefer ask lecturer personally. Some of them do helps me but the remain just give some lame reasons ignore it(don't even give face to students who ask help from them).

yup.. true true...at least if 1 us to look for the answer then give some clue as to where we can fin dit or help recommend some references that we can find... better than just to ask us "go look for the answer and wont spoon feed us"..
if like that whats the point of lecturer and asking them?

Maybe high school should be made like this ... I noticed Form 4 - Form 5 teachers still spoon feed A LOT in certain subjects and the exam like moral test student's answering technique but not their knowledge . Whats the point ?

owh i never knew that before.but basically lecturer or teacher is harder?

In my point of view ... I think it's lecturer as they need the most knowledge and need a lot of research just to teach their students .

depends on what u define as hard. to me, teacher is harder.

i have very little tolerance level over repeating the same subject over and over again. i admire teachers who could repeat the same material over and over again for several class in the same day. i can never do that. i'll die before that happens.

to be a good lecturer u gotta really excell on all stage of studies...degree > master > p.h.d

then ppl will recognise u and up ur position...

wen u become professor or a.professor thats wen u get big $$$...
meaning it is wen ppl know ur experties and ur wide knowledge in the field u do...

ull have chance to be hired as advisors of company, firms or government departments...

wen ur really good u can also do jobs overseas...more $$$

u can also write and publish books to generate additional income...

or maybe u can do addtional tution classes like those from taylors college...

for certain level ull also qualify to do speech on conventions, training progs, motivational n so on...

and the best i see is...

u will have secure basic salary each month that is above 5k and sometimes a lot more...

means when u retire u will get good pention...perhaps same amount of others who are still working...

so if u want to be lecturer so go for it...

its really not a bad idea at all...

yup true true.. i got a friend earning around 10k in MNC at age of 27/28.. but damn bz..chinese new year 2 days holiday also work..after that work again... no time to relax altho earning big bucks..become lecturer can earn not so big bucks but still big and get to enjoy your bucks

if u really keen to be a lecturer then i think u shud go for a academic-based courses mayb Math in Education..i mean, anything relate to education...then after u've finished ur degree pgrm, u r most probably advised to pursue 2 d higher level i mean, master or Phd (for IPTA)....but as far as i'm concerned, for IPTS their min. requirement is only degree...

This post has been edited by a.n.: Dec 3 2009, 03:20 PM