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DarkForXe
post Mar 1 2011, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Mar 1 2011, 11:39 AM)
How come?  blink.gif

I thought master by research is more "legend"?
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obviously it depends on the result as well.
the research student might have no international journal publication at all while the coursework guy might scored a good gpa.

but if we place a research candidate with 2 international journal publications vs a let say 3.7/4.0 coursework guy, it is obvious the research gonna win.

EXCEPT when you are applying to colleges who don give a damn thing about research.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 12:01 PM)
for ipta, priority is given to master by coursework.
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which ipta do you mean?
plus nowadays IPTA dont really hire lecturer with masters qualification anymore. At least for USM which i understand quite well. (except for the slai/slab scheme fellow which isn't really a lecturer before they finish their phd.)

Your logic is kinda weird as i dont see why would ipta prefer a coursework students to become their lecturer over a research master student who can produce research papers (which are very important to research universities these days). Dont take one single example to generalize the whole situation.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Mar 1 2011, 12:07 PM)
Well basically MQA requires you to have a a qualification in the field higher than the people you are teaching. In an IPTS you'll need a Bachelor Degree to teach Pre-u students,a master degree to teach bachelor degree students etc.
In an IPTA you'll need a PhD to be a lecturer if I'm not mistaken, if not you're just a tutor or associate lecturer like that.
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there are lecturer with masters degree but only exist in lower tier IPTA or it is a faculty that doesnt really need a phd (example: fine art). Plus there are some who worked for a long time and have specialized skills but they wont go beyond senior lecturer.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 12:13 PM)
most ipta reruit excellent bachelor degree student straighaway. They will be sponsored for master and Phd. For the case of master, they mostly do it locally for new tutor and must do in coursewok.


Added on March 1, 2011, 12:16 pm

its not my logic, tat is the truth. Do u mean only master by research student can produce journals? tats wrong. Those with master by coursework can teach master and bachelor subjects and also do research. Whether a lecturer wanna do research or not, its dependent on his/her lazyness.
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that would the slai/slab scheme. These fellows are usually advised to follow master by coursework because they have a deadline to follow. If not they are gonna get stuck with the funding from government.

Nope, i didnt said only research students can produce paper. I meant research students can produce more and better quality publications. Coursework students are more occupied with their courses, usually within a year time. Again, since IPTA doesnt really hire masters grad as lecturer, it is rather irrelevant here.

All i am trying to say here, stating coursework masters degree is better or superior than a research masters degree isn't true. Most people took masters by coursework just because of 2 things, it is easier and need a shorter (consistent) time to complete.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 12:28 PM)
i mean there's something tat we should know the different between coursework and research if ones wanna be a lecturer in ipta. No other meaning or insult.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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same to you. no offense.

to those who are troubled with coursework vs research. in simple form

coursework: faster (consistant time) to complete, easier.
research: more flexible, a very good basis for your phd study and get to experience research level academic life.

I have seen coursework students who cannot manage the pressure to do research at phd level so bear in mind, if you are uncertain whether you can fit into academia, it is best for you to try masters by research first. Most coursework students dont do their masters as a pathway to phd actually, more of them are meant for their salary/promotion in their own jobs.
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post Mar 1 2011, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 12:42 PM)
the truth is only ipta can get infinite funding for research becoz the tax money comes in. IPTS, huhuh, who will sponsor? merely only nottingham, monash or curtin or utp do some researches.
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you obviously have NO idea of research and the funding. done with you already.
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post Mar 1 2011, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 03:16 PM)
facepalm.... maybe somebody who is a lecturer or phd holder in ipta should give some clues or hints between the Master by coursework and Master by research "to become lecturer in IPTA". It has nothing to do with research or master during recruitment. Plz note, topic is about " to be a lecturer", it refering to those who wanabe a lecturer. Hope dun give misleading suggestion.

I dare to say a lecturer vacant in famous IPTA is given priority to those who is excellent in Bachelor degree or master in coursework (refering to no experience graduate) i.e. with 4.0/4.0 cgpa. Uni will send their comfirmed staff for Phd. Those score well in English test can go oversea while those score moderate rate should do phD locally. Master is mainly done locally nowsaday for tutor with Bachelor degree.

Gov Funding or no funding in researsh is depending on RMK.

Hope someone can correct DarkForXe since this thread is about "to bcome a lecturer". NOt argument of research or wat that is merely personal view  sad.gif  sad.gif
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For your first statement. It is you who mentioned wrong fact and I am only here to correct such statement. Yep, it is about becoming a lecturer.

QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 11:20 AM)
my senior took master by research while my fren took master by coursework. at the end, the one with master by coursework accepted by unis as lecturer/tutor.
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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 12:01 PM)
for ipta, priority is given to master by coursework.
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And then you gave this statement. Oh boy. Did you ever joined any research project before?

QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 12:42 PM)
the truth is only ipta can get infinite funding for research becoz the tax money comes in. IPTS, huhuh, who will sponsor? merely only nottingham, monash or curtin or utp do some researches.
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Both IPTS & IPTA are eligible to apply for research grant such as FRGS and Science grant. RU grant is unique to UM UTM USM UKM & UPM. While APEX funding is for USM only. You are the one who got confused with SLAI/SLAB scheme and research grant. Go do some homework before you mislead people in this issue. Plus, i never deny that SLAI/SLAB scheme is taking the best student and later send them for PhD. The problem is that you don't know there are many lecturers who are hired AFTER they got their PhD. They didnt go through the SLAI/SLAB scheme. doh.gif
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post Mar 1 2011, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Mar 1 2011, 04:59 PM)
no point to argue it wont end. if got anything u can PM me instead of just quoting my post. the heat should end but not destroying this thread. Its my bad if u are hurt. Just PM me ur idea or anything u think its good for everyone.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Done with this***
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yup, i agree to end this discussion because it is very obvious that you dont know much about the things we are arguing about.
lol, hurt? whistling.gif
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post Mar 1 2011, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(biggie @ Mar 1 2011, 04:58 PM)
As someone who is a lecturer in IPTA, I like to say some word on the preference of MSc by research and coursework.

There actually are no hard and fast rules on which one will be prefered by the university. We have a planning on the areas that we need a PhD in 3-5 yrs time. It will be due to retirement of staff/strengthening niche areas/succession planning/diversification of research areas/technology roadmap etc.

A good candidate will be vetted by their suitability to undertake the PhD in that particular area. If he need strengthening in some areas then a MSc by coursework will be recommended else he will be recommended to do by research.

In general most undergrad will require MSc by coursework since you do need a strong foundation before undertaking any research based degree.

It used to be a norm for UK grads master by research is a product of a failed PhD.
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same for the US system. Those who cant grad with phd will be given a masters.

To me, the coursework vs research discussion is rather vague. The more important one is always PhD. Masters is usually just the intermediate route. Everyone have their own choice depending on which field they are in.

thanks for your input.

 

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