yep... being an academician is about the passion in the pursuit, the accumulation of knowledge and sharing it with others. money is but mere incentive - in a way -for all the hard work, but not the sole, determining reason...

Total .. Some have low basic, but high allowance, and vice versa.

Thus, look at total in more important

true..

nowadays, students are very smart..
some brings laptop and tablet PC to class.

btw, in academia, we often have a saying:

"work because you enjoy it, then get paid for it."

what's the point getting paid for something u dont enjoy, right?

Depends which school of thought u r....

Some ppl dont enjoy the current work but choose to stay because to GET HIGHER PAID; although now x enjoy, but definitely can use the money earned to ENJOY LATER (Sorry, at least that person is me). This is call deferred happiness; and this motivates!

Some ppl dont enjoy the current work but because of the PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATION (for eg: MIA, ACCA... etc), but have to work in audit line for THREE years...

Only when money is not a survival factor for you, that one only call REAL enjoy... and "work because you enjoy it, then get paid for it."

if u're getting high pay and u like it, means there's an aspect of that job that u enjoy.

what i'm saying is, no point of getting paid if u dont like the job at all (all aspects included).

That is true.

well...its not like being a lecturer got future or not in Malaysia...and the topic of research u wanna do that matters. getting a masters or phd is kinda related with ur research work. So, future holds in the research u ar doing, if ur research is good then yes u will have future.. not only in malaysia or maybe overseas. if u just wanna teach ur students, then i do think there will be a bright future for u. differences between a teacher and lecturers is that lecturers have to do a certain research with a certain results. if wanna talk about the pay, yes its high paid. cause getting a masters and phd is not easy... hahaha.. that's my opinion le..

Lecuter (IPTA) if you got PhD then you start with DG52 (senior Lecturer ) basic 5 K plus allowance 1.5k = at least 6.5K,
if you manage to become assc. Prof then is DG54 basic 6k++ plus allowance 2k++. So in term of $$ sure it is "cukup guna" , and if you from sciece field and you got some IP (intellectual property) to sell , you can get 50% of the profit while all the research cost from MOSTI science fund or your Uni's Research funs , from the IP you can get max 30k per month or 1 time payment of 500K. So you can actuary earn alot if you are really good in your field.

Good Info . Tell me more about this?

This post has been edited by takercena: Aug 16 2011, 02:13 AM

What you want to know ? how to get promotion or their job scope ?

mr. azarimy / any lecturers out there,

i am an MBA holder (coursework, marketing), my Bsc was in design field.
i have 5 years working experience in design industry and 2 years in marketing of the same design industry.
i am looking at academic line as my next career path, having a growing interest in lecturing. refer to your own personal experience applying for the job, do you think i would be more likely considered to get an interview in a design faculty or business and management? i don't mind both but i'm scared that i would be selling myself off to the wrong faculty when i would have better chance at another. if i send out two applications, would they think i am not focused. alahai macamana eh?

when u say design, what exactly are u referring to?

I am in furniture design industry. But having an art background yourself i think you understand that we can pretty much absorb ourselves into any dimension of art related, yes?...no?

my dilemma in getting into academic line simply put is:

art n design - i did spent many years practicing design; graphic, product prototyping, CAD. but i think design is too subjective to teach it's more to inspiring. i don't think my design work and i are the inspiring kind. and on paper, my results last time x cun langsung!

biz n admin - i am right now in top management at my company and i aced my MBA. but i still categorize myself as under- experience in this department. i can only be proud of my business card title and the MBA transcript. haha!

so in your opinion, which faculty would i have better chance in? any tips?

Cool, found the thread I was searching for...hopefully someone can help me out as I am seeing there is no activity here in almost 2 months here.

I am currently working as an Engineer going into 1.5 years of working. However, I always wanted to be a lecturer researcher an am currently applying for Master's Degree (major robotics) in some universities to achieve this. I am planning on furthering my studies all the way to PhD and hopefully get a position any university in Klang valley.

My few concerns are:

1) I am assuming it will take almost 3-4 years to complete my PhD. By then I will be almost 30. Still not too late to join as a fresh lecturer right?

2) I will be quitting my current job to further my studies. Is there a guarantee that I can get a work once I finish my PhD?

I am especially worried on my no.2 concerned. I am thinking too much on the possibility of not getting a job once I finish PhD?

1. generally people start their PhDs around 28-30.

2. if u plan to become an academician, then it's better for u to apply to become one now. by the time u finish ur masters they'll offer u a spot, and u'll continue with ur PhD as a tutor (on study leave). this way, u've already secured a job even before u finish.

should u decide not to become a lecturer, u can be assured in the field of engineering there's always a place for someone with a PhD.

Thanks for your advise Azarimy. I have a few more questions, please bear with me:

1) I want to become a researcher while lecturing. Does this counts as being an academician? What is the difference?

2) When you mention the job is secured once they offer a spot, does this happen only if you express your interest or when there is a job opening?

I currently got an offer to do Master's Degree in Monash Uni. However, the tuition fee itself is RM30k per year. I am looking for suitable loan or scholarship but dunno where to start. Any suggestion?

I submitted my proposal to public uni as well, but I am still waiting for any form of reply (although it has only been a week, I am going to give it more time).

It often the financial burden that is going to destroy the hopes of guys like me who genuinely want to become a lecturer/researcher with nothing but love of the job.

RM30k per year refering to master degree by coursework? My take is that degree by research is more valuable in the academia world (some may disagree), and the main hindrance is funding or grant to do your research. What is your field or area of interest?

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Oct 16 2011, 04:27 PM

My area of interest is Engineering robotics particularly multi-robotics system. And the RM30k is MEngSc by research, full time...expensive, yeah. I am worried if lecturers are not in demand for this field..

This post has been edited by flamefireon: Oct 16 2011, 04:43 PM

1. academician is anyone in the knowledge-building field. researchers, lecturers, professors, writers, journal editors are all in this field. i avoid using the term lecturers because it implies that it's all u do. in fact, in most IPTAs, lecturing is just 10% of what lecturers do. the rest involve consultancy, research, book writing etc.

2. both actually.

3. u have to inquire with monash. they should have a list of scholarships or funding options available to u.

it's true that masters by research holds more weight than by taught course. previously it was due to the fact that u've achieved something (research wise) and is more or less experienced in academic writing. but now it boils down to the latter only, due to the fact that u will eventually achieve something for ur PhD.

to most IPTAs, it doesnt really matter anymore (between research and taught-course). heck, if u scored 1st class during degree, u can be offered to study PhD straight away under the MyPhD programme.