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TSunderminer
post Jan 3 2009, 09:29 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hey folks, this thread is created initially to house the ranking idea I have for the Malaysian Dota Community along with discussions of community members on ways to improve it.

As this thread is created to boost the competitive Dota scene, the thread naturally added a recommended rules section to make it easier for prospective tournament makers can come in and refer to a standardised set of rules for Dota tournaments. This is to ensure that rules enforced in their tournaments achieved the highest standards of organisation while participations will not need to adapt to ever changing rules which will certainly affect the quality of their game play over time.

The latest venture of this project will be certain short articles of commentary of the scene in general. These will be long posts of whatever caught my mind at that point of time on a range of subjects that hopefully will benefit everyone in the community after reading them.

As this project might impact the community I hope to receive feedback to make the system more complete and acceptable.

Note for Malaysia Dota Rankings:

1. This rankings are first proposed by the Head Marshall of SGNDT My.Gaming Lim to formalize the way seedings are done in LAN tourneys.
2. The Badminton Super Series rankings are used to make tabulation of points easier and encourage participation of tournaments.
3. The rankings will begin from SMM 2008 last 16 (for Malaysian teams only).
4. Tournaments that are covered in this ranking system needs to meet certain standards : Full online coverage, Open in nature, Full bracket updates to ensure ALL teams are covered.
5. This ranking will be based on team names for now. Changes of team name and members needs to be communicated by pm to me for now.
6. The updated rankings will be uploaded after that event is completed


Latest Ranking Rules:Updated as at 30/03/2009
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Latest Ranking Excel Sheet Download (updated 14/05/2010):

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This post has been edited by underminer: May 14 2010, 11:58 AM
SUSdharwin
post Jan 3 2009, 02:51 PM

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i dont understand

can explain me more? it means like the future perfomance of a team in local compy..
will get seeded in upcoming compy? or juz for smm?
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post Jan 3 2009, 03:31 PM

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yay i got 5046 points .. no v2 tournament cry.gif

too bad never add up point of tournament in Batang Berjuntai SuperPro tournament and Sabak Bernam Dota Championship tournament.


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post Jan 3 2009, 04:00 PM

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1) Tbun-W4si - 6990
2) KingSurf - 6,420
3) DNA SK - 5,900
4) ProGamersArena - 5046
4) Survivor - 5046

is my sum up correct?


Added on January 3, 2009, 6:07 pmbtw what about online tournaments? i think those teams that have beaten top international teams in tournament should get extra points too

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post Jan 3 2009, 06:39 PM

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Lol flizz u aredi counted it out =D
SUSdharwin
post Jan 3 2009, 06:40 PM

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u best

u win evo xtc


BinnYZai
post Jan 3 2009, 06:52 PM

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wtf fi3 so fast
Accutate a not 1
SUSdharwin
post Jan 3 2009, 06:58 PM

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u suddap winter
TSunderminer
post Jan 3 2009, 07:00 PM

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I already got 91 teams in my Excel list which I tabulated based on this 3 events:

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo

The top 10 are:

1. UC_Pro: 11,590 ( 4600+1950+5040 )
2. mKvL (Survivor) : 6,645 ( 1605+5040 )
3. Kingsurf : 6,420 ( 6420 )
4. DNA-SK : 5,900 ( 2300+3600 )
5. PGA : 5,260 ( 220+5040 )
6. Ct-Gov : 4,260 ( 1260+3600 )
7. Fishnet Eternal : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
7. Penang ICE : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
8. M.X : 3,900
9. NGL : 3,600
9. Gf.IMP : 3,600
9. Ftz'RE : 3,600
10.Dacom Vzp: 3,210
10.NSP Freedom: 3,210

The Quas tournament calculations proves tricky as a lot of teams has been jumbled up and there is a fake "Survivor" team in the brackets.
So the team "mKvL" which has 2 Survivor team members in the team at QUAS is taken to be the team that grabs the points and so on to the teams that bears the team's colours to have their points.
As for PGA, there is this Prog@2 at the Quas brackets. With the lack of "PGA" the team , I assume they took up the team's mantle.

The hardest task I have in maintaining this is the distribution of points to the teams with its various changes being performed and the never-ending team smurfers out there. In this case the rankings are "team based" where in which case of a split happening, the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings. To maintain it effectively, will need teams which experienced changes and stuffs to pm me directly so I can reflect your team's status directly in the points.

Seems like I cant upload the Excel file here. So, if there are any updates do inform me of the changes. I hope to make all the changes before the Invasion Kepong tourney ends.

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post Jan 3 2009, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(KiLLing-z2 @ Jan 3 2009, 06:39 PM)
Lol flizz u aredi counted it out =D
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QUOTE(BinnYZai @ Jan 3 2009, 06:52 PM)
wtf fi3 so fast
Accutate a not 1
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waahhaahah too free nothing to do but count wrong also tongue.gif tongue.gif

eh borneo finish already so fast? O_O what was the result?


haha darwin no la i mean is team like w4si , dna sk and kingsurf they beat many well known international powerhouse so i think that should count to something tongue.gif
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post Jan 3 2009, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Jan 3 2009, 07:13 PM)
waahhaahah too free nothing to do but count wrong also  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

eh borneo finish already so fast? O_O what was the result?
haha darwin no la i mean is team like w4si , dna sk and kingsurf they beat many well known international powerhouse so i think that should count to something  tongue.gif
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I will repost the tournament outcome here. Looks like it is not covered properly here even though lots of effort has been put in it by the organisers =(

UC.PRO won the last tournament of 2008 !

Overall standings :

1st : UC.PRO
2nd : M.X
3rd : NSP-Freedom
4th : Dacom Vzp
5th : AOE-Human
6th : Excology
7th : Imnotclan
8th : RIP-Noah

Credits goes to Viv , My|Dead and Hansz that made the updates possible.

Replays can be found at the Garena coverage done by My|Dead at his first post here :

Borneo Dota Championship Garena Coverage
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post Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 3 2009, 07:00 PM)
The hardest task I have in maintaining this is the distribution of points to the teams with its various changes being performed and the never-ending team smurfers out there. In this case the rankings are "team based" where in which case of a split happening, the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings. To maintain it effectively, will need teams which experienced changes and stuffs to pm me directly so I can reflect your team's status directly in the points.
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Good job, underminer! rclxms.gif
Going "team based" is a good decision but since you defined it as " the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings", how about teams that have totally new members?

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post Jan 3 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(chapree @ Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM)
Good job, underminer!  rclxms.gif
Going "team based" is a good decision but since you defined it as " the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings", how about teams that have totally new members?
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I would bias towards the player's new team based on number of players from the old team. Say Team A decided to leave its current sponsor of Team A. Their new name Team B will be replacing "Team A" in the rankings unless stated otherwise by an outside settlement which will need to be communicated via pm to me.

But if negotiations can be conducted for both sides to ensure a better settlement. The old team might just be left there for sometime and both parties start afresh with new team names if a settlement cant be agreed. However, after a settlement is made, the new team with its new roster will be assumed from the settlement date onwards. In other words, future "roster" of the team will be based on the new roster from the settlement period onwards.
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post Jan 5 2009, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 3 2009, 10:59 PM)
I would bias towards the player's new team based on number of players from the old team. Say Team A decided to leave its current sponsor of Team A. Their new name Team B will be replacing "Team A" in the rankings unless stated otherwise by an outside settlement which will need to be communicated via pm to me.

But if negotiations can be conducted for both sides to ensure a better settlement. The old team might just be left there for sometime and both parties start afresh with new team names if a settlement cant be agreed. However, after a settlement is made, the new team with its new roster will be assumed from the settlement date onwards. In other words, future "roster" of the team will be based on the new roster from the settlement period onwards.
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Let say a big tournament which have total prize of 20k is going to held in this week.... current top 1 ranking team
"assume as team ABC" only have the leader himself in the team... other 4 was new recruit... while other 4 "former" team ABC make a new team XYZ and join this tournament... so, now team ABC remain as top 1 in ur ranking system or team XYZ ??
I think you know current malaysia dota scene.. almost every tournament will have player jumping from team A to B or other way round.. and they are top team too... whats the solution for this ?? if follow the thing you say.. this ranking system no longer accurate and may happen Strong team vs Strong at early stage. Since the prize pool is 20k.. top 8 will have prize... so it is fair for team XYZ because they should have seeded.. not team ABC.... hope you know what i am trying to say, and it's a problem you need to solve before you run this ranking system...

erm... it's manually count or automatic ?
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Yup , agree with baowen. Players keep changing their team and its not really accurate to count it that way. U CPro's point they win it back by their own? Via this new team? If i am not mistaken , flying spaghetti monster Tbun-w4si win few of the tourney and then 1 of the player run to this new team and they deserves this sum of points ? notworthy.gif
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so the one who go for more tournament basicly will get more points ?
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post Jan 5 2009, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 5 2009, 07:22 PM)
Let say a big tournament which have total prize of 20k is going to held in this week.... current top 1 ranking team
"assume as team ABC" only have the leader himself in the team... other 4 was new recruit... while other 4 "former" team ABC make a new team XYZ and join this tournament... so, now team ABC remain as top 1 in ur ranking system or team XYZ ??
I think you know current malaysia dota scene.. almost every tournament will have player jumping from team A to B or other way round.. and they are top team too... whats the solution for this ?? if follow the thing you say.. this ranking system no longer accurate and may happen Strong team vs Strong at early stage. Since the prize pool is 20k.. top 8 will have prize... so it is fair for team XYZ because they should have seeded.. not team ABC.... hope you know what i am trying to say, and it's a problem you need to solve before you run this ranking system...

erm... it's manually count or automatic ?
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The ranking system serves as a guideline for seedings to be done by the organisers. I highly doubt organisers will follow the ranking system 100% in their seedings based on my past experiences.

Referring back to your example, as an organiser of this 20k tournament, I would seed Team XYZ in place of the "former team ABC" as the top ranked team in Malaysia in my brackets due simply to the fact that they have 4 of the last known members of "team ABC" in the rankings. The rankings only will be updated after the tournament is over, as such seedings in important tournament like this should be done with in depth knowledge of the scene in which many here would be ready to share if asked politely.
As the ranking maker, the teams will have the responsibility to approach me via pm for a settlement on the issue with me heavily biased replacing "team XYZ" to "team ABC" in the rankings due to the fact they had more than 3 of their former members in the team. Unless both sides agree to the current status quo with "team XYZ " starting afresh, the default situation will be to replace "team ABC" to "team XYZ" in the rankings and "team ABC starting afresh in the rankings.

The Malaysian Dota Scene is as vibrant as the international one with team loyalties can be bought or traded with the turn of the thought or the start of a petty argument over a single solitary pub-game. The default solution will be the "3 player rule" of the last participating tournament team roster that will be applied. Issues will arise when the "3 player rule" cant be applied such as a split of 2-2 and 5th player retiring. If this happens, the teams will have the responsibility to contact me of a settlement for the ranking system or both teams that start with new names will be started afresh in the rankings while their old team name will be "freezed" in the rankings until former team members of the team decides to reactivate it with the blessings of 3 of the last 5 tournament participating players of that team bearing that name.

The rankings is manually done on an excel sheet in which it will be looked through by independent team managers or players that requested it via pm with their email attached. The forum system did not allow me to upload an Excel file.

The UC_PRO case has been resolved with UC_PRO Tbun w4si claiming all the points at SMM 2008 with their new name UC_PRO in the rankings with blessings from w4si founder and manager Lucifer.

The full list of tournaments counted in this ranking to date are :

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo
4. Invasion

I fully understood the risk of making a ranking system in a subjective team game of Dota. That is why I try to involve as many people as I can in making it along the way. This project boils down to be my way to see which teams are the best in Malaysia and hopefully will boost participation of tournaments by encouraging teams to fight for a higher rank in a tangible predictable ranking system.



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i guess what underminer is trying to say is that the ranking system is there for everyone to see. but the organizer of a tourney/event will have only look onto the ranking as a 'method' of seeding the teams. For example if team abc is ranked 1 somehow, and kingsurf is ranked 3rd, the organizer might still give the highest seed to kingsurf.


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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 5 2009, 10:15 PM)

......The UC_PRO case has been resolved with UC_PRO Tbun w4si claiming all the points at SMM 2008 with their new name UC_PRO in the rankings with blessings from w4si founder and manager Lucifer.

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What a waste.Lucif3r is too generous notworthy.gif
doh.gif Write so many things,who knows later i was banned from this forum.
Like how team U CDOG meet them at the 1st round.Randomly? lol rclxm9.gif
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Well the problem with players jumping from team to team can be solved by dividing those points among all the 5 players.
What underminer is trying to do is to protect sponsors from losing all the points they built up for their home team, but as far as i know its really difficult to keep players.

Therefore, if you want an accurate point system, the points should be divided by all 5 OR 6 members of the team. However, your excel file will be huge smile.gif In the end we might even get points for 3v3 or 1v1 and we will be able to know who is the TOP dota player in Malaysia thumbup.gif

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