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post Jan 3 2009, 09:29 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hey folks, this thread is created initially to house the ranking idea I have for the Malaysian Dota Community along with discussions of community members on ways to improve it.

As this thread is created to boost the competitive Dota scene, the thread naturally added a recommended rules section to make it easier for prospective tournament makers can come in and refer to a standardised set of rules for Dota tournaments. This is to ensure that rules enforced in their tournaments achieved the highest standards of organisation while participations will not need to adapt to ever changing rules which will certainly affect the quality of their game play over time.

The latest venture of this project will be certain short articles of commentary of the scene in general. These will be long posts of whatever caught my mind at that point of time on a range of subjects that hopefully will benefit everyone in the community after reading them.

As this project might impact the community I hope to receive feedback to make the system more complete and acceptable.

Note for Malaysia Dota Rankings:

1. This rankings are first proposed by the Head Marshall of SGNDT My.Gaming Lim to formalize the way seedings are done in LAN tourneys.
2. The Badminton Super Series rankings are used to make tabulation of points easier and encourage participation of tournaments.
3. The rankings will begin from SMM 2008 last 16 (for Malaysian teams only).
4. Tournaments that are covered in this ranking system needs to meet certain standards : Full online coverage, Open in nature, Full bracket updates to ensure ALL teams are covered.
5. This ranking will be based on team names for now. Changes of team name and members needs to be communicated by pm to me for now.
6. The updated rankings will be uploaded after that event is completed


Latest Ranking Rules:Updated as at 30/03/2009
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Tazz Dota Rankings Season 2009 Final Rankings

Tazz Dota Rankings Season 2009 Final Rankings Download


Latest Ranking Excel Sheet Download (updated 14/05/2010):

Malaysia Dota Rankings 14 May 2010


Latest Rankings Summary:Updated as at 14/05/2010

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Recommended Online rules : Updated as at 14/05/2010

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Recommended LAN Rules (Updated 14/05/2010)


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post Jan 3 2009, 07:00 PM

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I already got 91 teams in my Excel list which I tabulated based on this 3 events:

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo

The top 10 are:

1. UC_Pro: 11,590 ( 4600+1950+5040 )
2. mKvL (Survivor) : 6,645 ( 1605+5040 )
3. Kingsurf : 6,420 ( 6420 )
4. DNA-SK : 5,900 ( 2300+3600 )
5. PGA : 5,260 ( 220+5040 )
6. Ct-Gov : 4,260 ( 1260+3600 )
7. Fishnet Eternal : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
7. Penang ICE : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
8. M.X : 3,900
9. NGL : 3,600
9. Gf.IMP : 3,600
9. Ftz'RE : 3,600
10.Dacom Vzp: 3,210
10.NSP Freedom: 3,210

The Quas tournament calculations proves tricky as a lot of teams has been jumbled up and there is a fake "Survivor" team in the brackets.
So the team "mKvL" which has 2 Survivor team members in the team at QUAS is taken to be the team that grabs the points and so on to the teams that bears the team's colours to have their points.
As for PGA, there is this Prog@2 at the Quas brackets. With the lack of "PGA" the team , I assume they took up the team's mantle.

The hardest task I have in maintaining this is the distribution of points to the teams with its various changes being performed and the never-ending team smurfers out there. In this case the rankings are "team based" where in which case of a split happening, the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings. To maintain it effectively, will need teams which experienced changes and stuffs to pm me directly so I can reflect your team's status directly in the points.

Seems like I cant upload the Excel file here. So, if there are any updates do inform me of the changes. I hope to make all the changes before the Invasion Kepong tourney ends.

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post Jan 3 2009, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Jan 3 2009, 07:13 PM)
waahhaahah too free nothing to do but count wrong also  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

eh borneo finish already so fast? O_O what was the result?
haha darwin no la i mean is team like w4si , dna sk and kingsurf they beat many well known international powerhouse so i think that should count to something  tongue.gif
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I will repost the tournament outcome here. Looks like it is not covered properly here even though lots of effort has been put in it by the organisers =(

UC.PRO won the last tournament of 2008 !

Overall standings :

1st : UC.PRO
2nd : M.X
3rd : NSP-Freedom
4th : Dacom Vzp
5th : AOE-Human
6th : Excology
7th : Imnotclan
8th : RIP-Noah

Credits goes to Viv , My|Dead and Hansz that made the updates possible.

Replays can be found at the Garena coverage done by My|Dead at his first post here :

Borneo Dota Championship Garena Coverage
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post Jan 3 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(chapree @ Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM)
Good job, underminer!  rclxms.gif
Going "team based" is a good decision but since you defined it as " the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings", how about teams that have totally new members?
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I would bias towards the player's new team based on number of players from the old team. Say Team A decided to leave its current sponsor of Team A. Their new name Team B will be replacing "Team A" in the rankings unless stated otherwise by an outside settlement which will need to be communicated via pm to me.

But if negotiations can be conducted for both sides to ensure a better settlement. The old team might just be left there for sometime and both parties start afresh with new team names if a settlement cant be agreed. However, after a settlement is made, the new team with its new roster will be assumed from the settlement date onwards. In other words, future "roster" of the team will be based on the new roster from the settlement period onwards.
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post Jan 5 2009, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 5 2009, 07:22 PM)
Let say a big tournament which have total prize of 20k is going to held in this week.... current top 1 ranking team
"assume as team ABC" only have the leader himself in the team... other 4 was new recruit... while other 4 "former" team ABC make a new team XYZ and join this tournament... so, now team ABC remain as top 1 in ur ranking system or team XYZ ??
I think you know current malaysia dota scene.. almost every tournament will have player jumping from team A to B or other way round.. and they are top team too... whats the solution for this ?? if follow the thing you say.. this ranking system no longer accurate and may happen Strong team vs Strong at early stage. Since the prize pool is 20k.. top 8 will have prize... so it is fair for team XYZ because they should have seeded.. not team ABC.... hope you know what i am trying to say, and it's a problem you need to solve before you run this ranking system...

erm... it's manually count or automatic ?
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The ranking system serves as a guideline for seedings to be done by the organisers. I highly doubt organisers will follow the ranking system 100% in their seedings based on my past experiences.

Referring back to your example, as an organiser of this 20k tournament, I would seed Team XYZ in place of the "former team ABC" as the top ranked team in Malaysia in my brackets due simply to the fact that they have 4 of the last known members of "team ABC" in the rankings. The rankings only will be updated after the tournament is over, as such seedings in important tournament like this should be done with in depth knowledge of the scene in which many here would be ready to share if asked politely.
As the ranking maker, the teams will have the responsibility to approach me via pm for a settlement on the issue with me heavily biased replacing "team XYZ" to "team ABC" in the rankings due to the fact they had more than 3 of their former members in the team. Unless both sides agree to the current status quo with "team XYZ " starting afresh, the default situation will be to replace "team ABC" to "team XYZ" in the rankings and "team ABC starting afresh in the rankings.

The Malaysian Dota Scene is as vibrant as the international one with team loyalties can be bought or traded with the turn of the thought or the start of a petty argument over a single solitary pub-game. The default solution will be the "3 player rule" of the last participating tournament team roster that will be applied. Issues will arise when the "3 player rule" cant be applied such as a split of 2-2 and 5th player retiring. If this happens, the teams will have the responsibility to contact me of a settlement for the ranking system or both teams that start with new names will be started afresh in the rankings while their old team name will be "freezed" in the rankings until former team members of the team decides to reactivate it with the blessings of 3 of the last 5 tournament participating players of that team bearing that name.

The rankings is manually done on an excel sheet in which it will be looked through by independent team managers or players that requested it via pm with their email attached. The forum system did not allow me to upload an Excel file.

The UC_PRO case has been resolved with UC_PRO Tbun w4si claiming all the points at SMM 2008 with their new name UC_PRO in the rankings with blessings from w4si founder and manager Lucifer.

The full list of tournaments counted in this ranking to date are :

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo
4. Invasion

I fully understood the risk of making a ranking system in a subjective team game of Dota. That is why I try to involve as many people as I can in making it along the way. This project boils down to be my way to see which teams are the best in Malaysia and hopefully will boost participation of tournaments by encouraging teams to fight for a higher rank in a tangible predictable ranking system.



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post Jan 6 2009, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 6 2009, 09:11 PM)
your solution should be what Odin say.. If your system is run what odin say... no problem would occur.
But if what you say you would seed Team XYZ rather then Team ABC... it would be unfair... as i said... Team ABC held up of the leader and 4 new player... while team XYZ is the former team ABC 4 player.. So, The team leader of ABC should give up his point what he have done so far.. (" he is the team leader") and give the current top 1 ranking to team XYZ, it's so unfair...
for more clear comparison, Team ABC = Team SK which have Loda, and 4 new recruit player, while the team XYZ = bogdan,Halo,Kwom,Akke and etc ( i duno their teammate name sorry ), so would you seed team XYZ instead of team ABC ?? as we know team ABC without Loda is nothing... so ? what would people think if you seed team XYZ but not ABC, will player obey the way you seed them ?? ( assume organizer 100% follow your seeding system )
It is hard if he using excel to doing this system because done manually would mess up alot of thing when 1 team have 5~6 data need to watch, and if team disband the point count need to summarize again.... it take alot of time...

Honestly say, this system is my Degree project, but i failed to do it.. so i hope some one would actually complete it... it's really benefit to our e-sport community.
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Your concerns stumbled upon what all Dota rankings inherently will face : the definition of the team itself. My system will certainly run well if its all according to Odin's suggestions. However, as of to date, I already have more than 100 teams in my rankings I got from the 4 tournaments "supported" by this rankings. To apply Odin's suggestions will take energy more than what I am prepared to fork out for this community project.

Back to your example, seeding team XYZ will be taken as purely following the "3 man rule" set in posts before this. It will not be considered unfair if the rules are followed. The same "3 man rule" is used in big tournaments like ESWC to determine the legitimacy of a team so it is in full compliance with International Standards at least.

Say Loda from the former Team SK reformed his new Team SK with 4 new recruits (assuming they are fresh and not part of any other teams before), and his 4 former teammates (Bogdan and co) reformed a team call Team SK2. Unless Loda managed to get the new Team SK2 to allow Team SK to reassume the top spot in the rankings and Team SK2 starts from the bottom ; Team SK2 can legitimately alter the name of the top spot to Team SK2 and assume all former Team SK points and render Loda's new Team SK to start from the beginning at the rankings. If Loda's new team consists of 4 former members of MYM (no.2 in the rankings) Loda's new team will assume MYM's former spot and be number 2 in the rankings with a new name "Team SK".

Loda and Bogdan is assumed to know the rules of play in this rankings. If they take their rankings seriously, they should be well versed of the rankings and knew of all consequences of their actions before making them. For Bogdan and co to leave Loda to dry with their move to form SK2 may seem to be unfair to Loda who worked hard for his former team, but the rules will be followed no matter how inethical it looks from a third party perspective. To the rules, what Bogdan and co did is perfectly legitimate and the top ranking will be given to the majority of players from the old "Team SK" and the new 5 from "Team SK2" will assume the top ranking from now on. Loda will need to labour his way up from the bottom of the rankings with his newly reformed "Team SK".

A better system perhaps the degree project from baowen may have saw fruition in the form of Propowerplay rankings system adopted by Dotasg for the Singaporean Dota Scene. However after careful reading, it too fails to define how a team will be considered in the cases of people mentioned above here. My best guess is they will apply the "3 man rule" as well.

As I stressed from the beginning, this is a community project and all parties who wish to see this rankings work can contribute simply by providing the rankings more information of the teams so that it will reflect the most accurate information. If the teams themselves do not care about their own rankings, who would?

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Just read through Odin's post and totally agree on the part of the Master File and how it should work with the community cross checking it in a transparent manner (which all the amendment suggestions will come in shortly after). Currently looking for ways to create my own site for this and hopefully it will be up by next month.

I am still not convinced that taking in individual nicks as the base of the rankings is the practical way to do. Yes, it will be successful in filtering out any discputes but the cost to implement it will be too high as this project is aimed across all tournaments in Malaysia (including Sabah and Sarawak if the organisers fulfills the criteria set for the rankings to be applied). When individuals themselves will change their nicks from game to game, it will be really a pain to keep track of indviduals. That is why my thoughts for this project is a "team based" one from the very beginning with the "3 man majority" rule playing a huge role in this.

However , I am open to all suggestions to make this ranking acceptable and as flawless as possible before it is truely implemented.

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post Feb 19 2009, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 8 2009, 09:18 AM)
create something new is always hard... to maintain the new thing... it would be more hard... i think this phrase is quite famous (sorry for the direct translation, my English standard is low)
"3 man majority" rule is a good definition for a team, but it's still not that accurate as well,
Case study time again.... Kingsurf team(lineup for ESWC Grand final in san jose), if yamateh and papaxiong remain in the kingsurf team, the remain 3 people have create a new team, would you seed the new create team name Kingsurf2 instead of kingsurf ?? because it's fulfill your "3 man majority" rule. Sound weird right?

The suggestion i will give is,
-Team A win Category A tournament, and Team A earn 9200point as a Team point.
-Team A 5 player, earn 9200point as well, 9200/5 = 1840point for each player (if the team have sub, then it divide by 6 player)
-Team A currently have Team point 9200 + Player point 9200 = Total of 18400point.

So when Team A split in the next tournament, Team A still have his Team point and would not affect too much, unless the Team A use the different 5 players.
When it come to the SK team case study, Team A still have 9200 + 1840point = 11040point, the new team B will have 7360point.

At least, the Team A would have some point, even Team A won't be Top 1 now, but at least it will remain at top 3 rank.
This is my suggestion for you to make a better point system. the point need make some adjustment, this part is a bit tricky, my maths was not good, so i think i leave it to you.

When the next tournament is going, Team A ("suppose to be rank 1 in the system"), because of change player, they become rank 3 now, if this tournament they didn't enter quarter-final, then minus their team point as penalty because since they are seeded as rank 3, they should have the "quality" to enter quarter final.
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Noted on that point. The rankings points will now be divided into half; half of the points will consists of the owner of the name (the sponsors and the 3 players of the team); half of it will be divided into 5 for each of the players.

To make it easier to understand I will break it down to a scenario.
Team CC has 1000 points in the rankings. In this case, Team CC has “team points” of 500 and the 5 players each owns “100” points.
In the unfortunate case of players from Team CC left. The default scenario would award the “team points” to the “3 man majority” of the now defunct team. The new Team CC will be with 500+300 = 800 points where the 2 members who left will bring with them 200 points to their new team.

I would also like to add in a new rule regarding the recognition of tournaments to be counted here (thanks Killing-z2 for bringing this up):

“The minimum requirement for tournaments to be recognized and taken into account in this ranking system is whereby the first place prize reaches or exceeds RM 1,000 in cash prize.”

This rule is to distinguish a “private event” and a “tournament”. After a brief survey among the top teams, it is noted that RM1,000 is the agreed threshold where teams will actually take the time to travel to another state for and gather to participate in a tournament. While some might disagree, the fact that the cash prize money is used here as a yardstick is the fairest way to ensure the quality of events taken into account in this ranking system. The inclusion of private events in the ranking system will diminish the quality of this ranking.

To put this new rule in action, the Penang tournament announced un mygarena and the MMU Techtime tournament which will occur this weekend will not be included in this ranking system due to their respective top spot offers RM600 in cash prizes.


Upcoming events that will be taken into the ranking system pending quality of the coverage will be:


1. UTP Electronic Sports Championship (6-8 March 2009, total Prize Money RM2,800, Category C Tournament)
2. MMU GDC E-sport 2009 Grand Finale (6-8 March 2009, Total Prize Money RM2,000, Category C Tournament)
3. Shownet Dota Tournament (14th-15th March 2009, Total Prize Money: RM3,000, Category C tournament)
4. Fushion Dota tournament (11th-12th April 2009 , Total Prize Money: RM14,100, Category A tournament)



Seems like Fushion Dota Tournament will be the first Category A tournament since the SMM Grand Finals. Should be interesting to see which team can take a giant leap in the rankings by winning this one.

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post Feb 27 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Feb 20 2009, 11:11 PM)
Just a sneak peak,
UC pro will be holding a 4 season a year online tourney with cash prizes up to 2.5k per season called the "IMBALanC Tourney" with support from SMM. Scheduled to start on the 28th of March.

Im not sure if this will be added but i feel it should as it is continuous and it is only for Malaysian teams.
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Unfortunately due to the limitations of online competitions where more often than not, the team with the better host wins, online tournaments will not be taken into account in this ranking system. This is in no way a move to disregard the significance of online tournaments which serves its purpose of nurturing young teams and plays a role in keeping teams in shape for the bigger tournaments. But for the purpose of a ranking system, to allow for non-skill related factors to interfere with the outcome of the game is not fair to the teams ranked.

Changes has been made upon receiving more input from the community. UC.PRO Tbun’ w4si’s SMM points will be returned to team “w4si” upon discussion with the 5 players involved in the tournament.

To keep the rankings up to date, I have retired “mKvL” and “Penang Ice” from the showing of the rankings. The retired teams will be shown in a different tab once the rankings are up on an official site.

The updated rankings as of 4th of January 2009 are as follows:

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post Feb 28 2009, 12:22 AM

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I am currently setting up my own site to house the administration of this rankings to make it more profesional. However, Eryc from Kingsurf offered to host the Excel file which I did my rankings on his site for all to download.

The link is as belows:

http://kingsurf.net/mydotaranking.zip

I will try to get Malaysia's team blogs and sites to host it so that it will spread to a much larger audience. For now, the link above is the latest rankings with rules attached to it. Hopefully more constructive comments can be made after the community scrutinize the rules.
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post Mar 14 2009, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Mar 3 2009, 12:56 PM)
I dont think we should put it in terms of 2008 or 2009. My statement was based on Kingsurf's non participation in the tourney's that has been included in the scoring system which includes Quas, Invasion and Borneo with the only exception of the SGNDT. Whereby, it will not justify their actual placing amongst Msia's top teams if their absence due to whatever reasons persist.
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There are a million reasons teams chooses not to participate in a LAN event. My task is to gather facts from responsible organizers and present it to the community as subjective as I can make it to be. As history shows, the changes of the official version of Dota has an impact on the teams which holds a cutting edge in terms of strategy. For whatever reason KS chooses not to join the tournament, they forfeited their chance to fight for points in this ranking system and subsequently future seeding options.

Surveying the tournament landscape and the outdated rules that are applied in most of them, I have turned this thread into a tournament administration thread whereby I would recommend rules to be applied in tournaments held everywhere. The original lengthy rules is posted at the first thread and it can be summarized as belows :

1. Map - 6.59c.
2. Can Backdoor.
3. No Item restriction.
4. Items can be shared as long as the game permits.

The above rules are currently used in tournaments at Singapore and all online competitions. Icefrog himself has promised to make improvements in subsequent releases to make it more tournament friendly using these rules as the basis of development.

Will keep on improving the first thread to make it more informative. Do pm me for suggestions of improvements that needs to be made.


For the ranking purposes, I have tallied up points from the recent MMU GDC tournament from the results presented at the UC PRO website and included an update from the Sabah scene in the points. Here are the summaries of it:

1. Irelax 4th place points are all tallied into PGA's points
2. Fishnet's 3rd points are included into the respective player's points.
3. The old team Excology has absolved all 5 players from the former Dacom-Vzp with 3 of the former Excology staying behind making them an 8 man team (sounds strange, will look into it). Therefore based on the ranking calculations, Excology gained an extra 756 points to make them Sabah's top team currently.

The updated rankings pending the UTP tournament brackets are as follows :

The updated rankings are as follows:

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Still awaiting for the brackets for the UTP tournament to be released. Deadline for that will be set to next Monday where the Shownet tournament at Johor should be over by then. Will make this latest rankings official at the first page with or without the UTP results tallied by Monday night.

As usual, any tournaments that satisfies the rankings criteria that should be brought to my attention do drop me a pm with a link in it for me to include it as a back date update. Will make the latest Excel spreadsheet available for download once everything is finalised by Monday night.

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post Mar 14 2009, 09:22 AM

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@sniperz

Thanks for your comment, I have sent an invitation to you to talk directly via the forum pm. Do contact me directly to improve the rankings.




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post Mar 21 2009, 09:12 PM

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Updated the rankings to reflect the results for the following tournaments :

1. MMU GDC ©
2. UTP ESC ©
3. Shownet Pontian ©

Many thanks and congratulations to the tournament organizers above for their swift udate of results and the smooth running of the above mentioned tournaments. Eddie (MMU) , TPK (UTP) , Songwet (Shownet) has been fantastic in their updates and cooperation in this update. All 3 tournaments are Category C tournaments based on prize money offered.

Without further delays, here are the latest summary of the rankings as at 21/3/2009.

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We see the top 2 of Malaysia were left unchanged. Discussions with the relevant team members placed Pikachu Gaming’s points into Kingsurf’s, hence Kingsurf is back among the top 3 in Malaysia.

From the peninsular rankings, we see sWg and INC-xiao break into the top 10 following their good showing in the UTP and Shownet tournaments. The Excel sheet will be hosted at a site soon to be downloaded by the community so a full breakdown of the rankings can be viewed.

Upcoming tournaments

1. CyberFushion One Nation Tournament (total prize money RM14,100, Category A tournament):
Dates: 10th - 12th April 2009
Time: Starts 10am Daily
Location: Multimedia University (MMU) Grand Hall Cyberjaya
Weblink: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/966451

2. Qzone Dota tournament (total prize money RM3,400, Category C tournament) :
Date : 18 & 19 April, 2009 (Saturday & Sunday)
Venue : Qzone Internet Cafe, 23 & 25, Lebuh Lembah Permai 1, 11200 Tg.Bungah, Penang. Nearby TARC COLLEGE
Weblink: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/972737

3. ESWC qualifiers and Grand Finals
24-26 April ESWC East Malaysia Qualifiers, The Spring @ Kuching
9-10 May ESWC Northern Qualifiers, Penang
23-24 May ESWC Central Qualifiers, Subang
30-31 May ESWC 2009 Malaysia Grand Finals @ High Street, 1 Utama
Weblink : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/968571

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post Mar 29 2009, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(crashoverride @ Mar 29 2009, 07:08 PM)
i think the rankings are a little bit bias because a lot tourneys in malaysia don't allow kingsurf to join while dna.sk.xlo, flying spaghetti monster, ice, survivor and the such keeps joining those tourneys.
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All tournaments taken into account are open tournaments which by default allows all teams to join. The tournaments that are counted in this ranking which Kingsurf is not part off is due to the fact that Kingsurf chooses not to participate rather than the tournament organisers banning them.

Tournaments which bans certain teams from participating (state qualifiers otherwise) will be considered "private events" and will not be taken into account in this ranking.

Kingsurf manager Eryc has been kind enough to house the latest Excel sheet of the ranking system as at 21/3/2009. The community can download them from here (copy and paste to your browser and the download should start) :

www.kingsurf.net/mydotarank2.xls


Added on April 18, 2009, 11:15 amTaking account performance of teams in the recently concluded Cyber Fushion event which is categorize as an "A" grade tournament, here are the latest summary of rankings as at 17 April 2009.


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Gonna run soon, doing a brief summary before a more lengthy one tonight.

1. UC.PRO changed their name to Mineski.Tbun following a change in sponsors and hence will carry that name from now on.
2. With the lack of tournaments at the East Malaysia region (or at least the lack of qualified tournaments communicated to me) we see for the first time, all East Malaysian teams dropped out of the top 10.
3. Despite Kingsurf's seemingly invincible form at Cyber Fushion clinching first place, Excello held strong retaining top spot based on the strength of past performances. But with their main player DabeliuTeeF heading to Australia furthering his studies, the competitiveness of the team will certainly suffer.
4. Any changes of team details or players should be communicated to me 1 week from the initial posting of this post (18 April 2009, 11 am). After the cut-off date is over (25 April 11 am), no amendments for period before Cyber Fushion will be entertained. The detailed Excel sheet will be posted up soon.

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post Apr 26 2009, 11:02 AM

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Taking account performance of teams in the recently concluded Qzone Dota Tournament which is categorize as a "C" grade tournament, here are the latest summary of rankings as at 26 April 2009.


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A few things to note.

1. Due to the "mercenary" nature of some of the teams whether due to inavailability of certain members for an event or the constant clan hopping exercise, in the absence of detailed information from the players themselves, the points gathered will be granted to the team name in reference to the "key" person in it such as the leader. A good example of this will be INC'Xiao whereby the rosters of their last 2-3 tourneys were never fixed for reasons stated above. However, the leader of the team seems to be the same person carrying the INC tag to tournaments and did relatively well along the way. The points accumulated will be tabulated into the team INC'Xiao unless detailed information of movements of the members of the team is provided to me via pm and the points will be allocated accordingly.

2. Excello maintained top spot in the rankings despite their shock quarterfinal exit to Ftz'Btw at Qzone. However the champion Mineski.Tbun only managed to leap frog Kingsurf to 2nd place due to the robustness of past performance by Excello. With their key player DabeliuTeeF left the team to further his studies in Australia, the team's response to this will be crucial in maintaining the top spot.

3. Kingsurf again paying a tournament a skip after their emphatic win at CyberFusion 3 weeks ago due to logistics issues. Looks like only Grade "A" tournaments will be sufficient to attract them to tournaments to garner points for the rankings.

4. The finalists of this tournament, Qzone 1 managed to claw its way up to 13th in the rankings. With former Ks and w4si player Mikebz at the helm of the team, it will be interesting to see how far can they go. The scratch team of INC'Xiao which consists of Seanz, Mushi , Nettelian and Dharwin managed to clinch 3rd place with only Qzone 1 managed to prevent an "all outsider" final. With this performance, INC'Xiao managed to achieved 6th place in the rankings making them one of the most active teams on LAN right now.

5. 3 Ftz-sponsored teams managed to reach the last 8 of the tournament with 1 team (Ftz'Btw) managed to clinch 4th place. Looks like Ftz is serious in getting back into the pro scene. All 3 teams showing robust performance against their much fancied opponents. Ftz'St putting up a few wipe outs of Qzone 1, even taking both mid raxes before going down in a 1 hour 20 min battle in the quarterfinals. Ftz'RE was unlucky facing arguably the best team consists of 5 Malaysians right now in the quarterfinal but managed to give them a scare before crashing out. With more support from their sponsors, I am sure this 3 teams will go far.


Article Time !

The observation: We face a serious problem. With the exception of the top 3, our teams failed to plan beyond the next tournament in terms of roster management. Where every team is most likely 1 disagreement away from disbanding and with it all the work and chemistry trained up weeks or even months before goes down the drain in favour of more illustrious players from reputation for that 1 tournament before disbanding again in search of better prospects.

The danger : With 2 Asian teams pwning everyone at ESWC and Ks.International redefining the online scene over the past few months, many "national based" teams were set up to counter this and all has set their sights at SMM this year. The best American team Team Evil Geniuses has set their sights to come to Malaysia and win it. So does Team Ravens, the best Danish team led by Maelk, long considered the best leader and drafter in the history of competitive Dota has openly said that SMM is their target this year. Ks International with their all international lineup will surely grace the tournament and the Kuroky fanboys from all over the world (including within Malaysia) will surely want him to win it. Ah and the few ambitious chinese teams who has started to believe that they can come to South East Asia and win every Dota tournament that they join.

The complication : Our teams are continuing the same trend that led to the embarrassment in SMM 2008. Where wishful thinking of miracles with the changing of 1 or 2 players in the team will lead to increase in skills overnight. "IT WONT!!"
Arguably the top 5 of Malaysia at that time : Kingsurf , w4si , Ct-GOV , DNA-SK and PGA; how many folks here know that 4 of them has roster changes as recently as 1 day before the Grand Finals began? To put it into perpective, it made a team like PGA which were formed just 1 day before V2 begins looks strong just by getting by with individual talent and more insightful drafting (no offence Flizardo). Shows how teamwork was completely absent in our top teams just before SMM and the results of the Grand Finals were the best slap in our faces. To refresh everyone's memory, the fate of our nation's pride somehow got crushed by a certain player's personal problem. With all the hardwork our teams put months before the event, how did we crash so low to let something like this happen is really beyond me.

Solution : Perhaps its our collective education that made us stuck with this kind of planning levels. But I believe showing the scene the dangers and complications as stated above may somehow change the outlook of what we were facing and be more professional in their approach of big decisions within the team.


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post May 3 2009, 03:58 PM

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The latest Dealova tournament will not be updated into the rankings as:

1. Its first placing do not meet the requirements of at least RM1,000 in cash prizes.

2. There were certain individuals / teams being denied participation by the organisers.

Any 1 of the above criteria listed will be sufficient to rank this event as a "private event" and "private events" will not be taken into account in the rankings system.

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A happening week of tournaments I noticed. Here are the summary of tournaments that will be taken into account for the rankings after the weekend of tournament is over.

1. SMM Melaka Qualifiers @ Melaka (B)

SGNDT 2009 Tournament Link

2. The OneTJ DotA Competition 2009 @ Sarawak ( C )

One TJ Tournament Link


3. Bornero Dota Tournament 2009 @ Sabah ( C )

Borneo Dota Tournament Link

Good luck to all participants.


Added on June 3, 2009, 10:43 pmTaking into account the results of the OneTJ Dota tournament held in Kuching and Borneo Dota tournament held in Kota Kinabalu, the rankings were updated to reflect the results. Non of the teams managed to break into the top 10 but Excology and Sbm-Mobile are in 11th and 12th spot before the SMM Melaka Qualifiers results are taken into account.

Without further adue, this is the updated rankings for East Malaysia.

Top 10 East Malaysia:

1. Excology
2. Sbm-Mobile
3. M.X.
4. NERD
5. Gizmo.Mix
6. RevelationZ
7. cL.Hitz
8. cL.CRZ
9. ASP
9. MG
9. Aoe-Ult
9. Gs (Sarawak)
9. p2p.Gaming
9. Circus
9. x|ao (Sarawak)

Sbm-Mobile was formerly known as NSP-Freedom. I retired a few teams deemed inactive from East Malaysia and included for the first time Sarawak teams into the rankings following the success of the OneTJ Dota Tournament. The news clips there actually shown that the media was very much involved in the event. Perhaps tournaments in West Malaysia should consider doing the same.

The SMM Melaka Results will be taken into account after certain requirements are fulfilled by the organisers. These has been communicated to them and it should not take long before we can see an updated list.

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As 6.60 was released few days back, folks around the competitive scene has been pretty concerned on the map version to use for competitive Dota.

To clear the air, the new version and its subsequent wont be used for competitive Dota until it is fully tested to be capable of sustaining league play.

So, the map version of Dota for competitive play will remain 6.59d on War3 version 1.23 in Malaysia for the following SMM stage (s) and the tournaments before that:

•Pahang: July 4th – 5th

Updates to come after the completion of each SMM Qualifying Stage.
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Just like our past elections, the Malaysian Dota Scene experienced a tsunami of changes prior to the ACG qualifiers. As such the rankings will experience certain changes to reflect this.

First came a scene news, Deejaysharky, an active player in clan war rooms has joined our rankings chart topper INC.Excello. As Deejaysharky was not part of any team before, his addition to INC.Excello will not be considered a transfer, as such no movement of points will be made to the team.

To start off, a summary will be made to team changes since the last update.

1. Kingsurf Gaming adds Chuan, recalls Xiaogui and Sakura from temporary inactive status in preparation for ACG qualifiers.
2. Mineski lost Chuan, Brought in Owspia and XiaoXiaoFong from INC’Xiao to reinforce the team ahead of the ACG qualifiers.
3. INC’Xiao will be renamed INC for now.
4. With most of its members inactive and 2 of its most active players leaving the team, Cybertime GOV officially retires, leaving behind the team and its accumulated ranking points for a new team led by Mushi and Winter.
5. Cybertime GOV will be renamed Cybertime. The points of Mushi’s Cyberfusion team will be included into Cybertime.
6. Cybertime absorbed SilverCross from Fishnet.MU.
7. Fishnet the team got another sponsor and will be known as Fishnet.MU from now. They absorbed 2 players of the former GOV team, making them eligible for Hiphop and Syelaine’s portion of the points.


All ranking points changes due to the roster amendments has been taken up accordingly as per before the SMM Penang and after the SMM Negeri Sembilan tournament.

The SMM Penang Tournament has also been taken up into the rankings where we see a few newcomers to the scene shocking everyone with some impressive results.

Some name changes has been noted.

Ftz’RE > FTZ Asia Gaming
Ftz’BTW > FTZ EP
FTZ’ ST > EMZ

A summary of the top ten in Peninsular Malaysia after the changes are as follows:

Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Mineski.Tbun
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. Fishnet.MU
5. Irelax
6. Cybertime
7. INC
8. Sino
9. VA'w4s|
10. HXG.oNs

The latest Excel Sheet with all the updates as per 17/6/2009 has been uploaded at the first post for all to download. Detail calculations of the rankings are all there. Notify me via pm for any amendments.

That’s all for now, the next tournament that will be taken into account will be The Mines Tournament.

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An update to the rankings has been made following the results of The Mines, ACG Malaysia Qualifiers and SMM Pahang recently.

The Rankings summary is as follows :

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. Mineski.Tbun
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. MU.Gold
5. Cybertime.MU
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. INC
9. Sino
10. Fishnet Junior

The latest Rankings Excel sheet is available for download at the first thread.

Will try to do a writeup following the events of ACG soon. Hopefully it will provide some insights for our next representative to push for the Gold Medal in the future.
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The rankings has been updated to take into account 3 tournaments :

1. Rakan Muda E-Gig (category C tournament)
2. SMM Sabah (category B tournament)
3. Surfer Dota Tournament (category C tournament)

And here are the update summary of the rankings:

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. MU.Gold.Mineski
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. MU.BattleLAN
5. Cybertime
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. INC
9. Sino
10. Cybertime 2

Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Mineski.Tbun
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. MU.Gold
5. Cybertime.MU
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. INC
9. Sino
10. Cybertime 2

Top 10 East Malaysia:

1. Empire-VZP-Freedom
2. Excology
3. AOE.911
4. NERD
5. Goat
6. QQNet.WTF
7. Izone
8. EMP-Immortal
9. Gizmo.Mix
10. RevelationZ

Not much changes in the rankings of Peninsular teams except the fact that the recently active Cybertime 2 team managed to break into the top 10 for the first time raking in much points after getting 2nd at the SMM Pahang tournament.

After SMM Sabah, Sabah teams seems to return to dominate the East Malaysia rankings. Empire-VZP-Freedom (formerly known as NSP-Freedom / SBM Mobile) return as the best in East Malaysia after their victory at SMM Sabah, dethroning Excology which did not manage to qualify from the event. AOE.911 (formerly known as AOE-ULT and AOE Human) completes the top 3 in the rankings.

The softcopies of the ranking calculations dated 21 July 2009 is available for download by tonight after some adjustments made.

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