There are a million reasons teams chooses not to participate in a LAN event. My task is to gather facts from responsible organizers and present it to the community as subjective as I can make it to be. As history shows, the changes of the official version of Dota has an impact on the teams which holds a cutting edge in terms of strategy. For whatever reason KS chooses not to join the tournament, they forfeited their chance to fight for points in this ranking system and subsequently future seeding options.

Surveying the tournament landscape and the outdated rules that are applied in most of them, I have turned this thread into a tournament administration thread whereby I would recommend rules to be applied in tournaments held everywhere. The original lengthy rules is posted at the first thread and it can be summarized as belows :

1. Map - 6.59c.
2. Can Backdoor.
3. No Item restriction.
4. Items can be shared as long as the game permits.

The above rules are currently used in tournaments at Singapore and all online competitions. Icefrog himself has promised to make improvements in subsequent releases to make it more tournament friendly using these rules as the basis of development.

Will keep on improving the first thread to make it more informative. Do pm me for suggestions of improvements that needs to be made.


For the ranking purposes, I have tallied up points from the recent MMU GDC tournament from the results presented at the UC PRO website and included an update from the Sabah scene in the points. Here are the summaries of it:

1. Irelax 4th place points are all tallied into PGA's points
2. Fishnet's 3rd points are included into the respective player's points.
3. The old team Excology has absolved all 5 players from the former Dacom-Vzp with 3 of the former Excology staying behind making them an 8 man team (sounds strange, will look into it). Therefore based on the ranking calculations, Excology gained an extra 756 points to make them Sabah's top team currently.

The updated rankings pending the UTP tournament brackets are as follows :

The updated rankings are as follows:



Still awaiting for the brackets for the UTP tournament to be released. Deadline for that will be set to next Monday where the Shownet tournament at Johor should be over by then. Will make this latest rankings official at the first page with or without the UTP results tallied by Monday night.

As usual, any tournaments that satisfies the rankings criteria that should be brought to my attention do drop me a pm with a link in it for me to include it as a back date update. Will make the latest Excel spreadsheet available for download once everything is finalised by Monday night.

This post has been edited by underminer: Mar 14 2009, 09:11 AM

@sniperz

Thanks for your comment, I have sent an invitation to you to talk directly via the forum pm. Do contact me directly to improve the rankings.

The ranking is based on previous 4 tournaments. I guess is nothing to bias about since they just joined SMM Grand Finals only. Come to conclusion, so I guess only GG.Mix have the rights to receive the points. Why does your ranking appear so many Sarawak team. As i know, the latest LAN tourney of Sarawak. 1st prize for Cash prize is not at least RM1000.

Updated the rankings to reflect the results for the following tournaments :

1. MMU GDC ©
2. UTP ESC ©
3. Shownet Pontian ©

Many thanks and congratulations to the tournament organizers above for their swift udate of results and the smooth running of the above mentioned tournaments. Eddie (MMU) , TPK (UTP) , Songwet (Shownet) has been fantastic in their updates and cooperation in this update. All 3 tournaments are Category C tournaments based on prize money offered.

Without further delays, here are the latest summary of the rankings as at 21/3/2009.



We see the top 2 of Malaysia were left unchanged. Discussions with the relevant team members placed Pikachu Gaming’s points into Kingsurf’s, hence Kingsurf is back among the top 3 in Malaysia.

From the peninsular rankings, we see sWg and INC-xiao break into the top 10 following their good showing in the UTP and Shownet tournaments. The Excel sheet will be hosted at a site soon to be downloaded by the community so a full breakdown of the rankings can be viewed.

Upcoming tournaments

1. CyberFushion One Nation Tournament (total prize money RM14,100, Category A tournament):
Dates: 10th - 12th April 2009
Time: Starts 10am Daily
Location: Multimedia University (MMU) Grand Hall Cyberjaya
Weblink: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/966451

2. Qzone Dota tournament (total prize money RM3,400, Category C tournament) :
Date : 18 & 19 April, 2009 (Saturday & Sunday)
Venue : Qzone Internet Cafe, 23 & 25, Lebuh Lembah Permai 1, 11200 Tg.Bungah, Penang. Nearby TARC COLLEGE
Weblink: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/972737

3. ESWC qualifiers and Grand Finals
24-26 April ESWC East Malaysia Qualifiers, The Spring @ Kuching
9-10 May ESWC Northern Qualifiers, Penang
23-24 May ESWC Central Qualifiers, Subang
30-31 May ESWC 2009 Malaysia Grand Finals @ High Street, 1 Utama
Weblink : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/968571

This post has been edited by underminer: Mar 22 2009, 07:27 PM

wah inc xiao!

wah wah wah

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i think the rankings are a little bit bias because a lot tourneys in malaysia don't allow kingsurf to join while dna.sk.xlo, flying spaghetti monster, ice, survivor and the such keeps joining those tourneys.

All tournaments taken into account are open tournaments which by default allows all teams to join. The tournaments that are counted in this ranking which Kingsurf is not part off is due to the fact that Kingsurf chooses not to participate rather than the tournament organisers banning them.

Tournaments which bans certain teams from participating (state qualifiers otherwise) will be considered "private events" and will not be taken into account in this ranking.

Kingsurf manager Eryc has been kind enough to house the latest Excel sheet of the ranking system as at 21/3/2009. The community can download them from here (copy and paste to your browser and the download should start) :

www.kingsurf.net/mydotarank2.xls

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Added on April 18, 2009, 11:15 amTaking account performance of teams in the recently concluded Cyber Fushion event which is categorize as an "A" grade tournament, here are the latest summary of rankings as at 17 April 2009.




Gonna run soon, doing a brief summary before a more lengthy one tonight.

1. UC.PRO changed their name to Mineski.Tbun following a change in sponsors and hence will carry that name from now on.
2. With the lack of tournaments at the East Malaysia region (or at least the lack of qualified tournaments communicated to me) we see for the first time, all East Malaysian teams dropped out of the top 10.
3. Despite Kingsurf's seemingly invincible form at Cyber Fushion clinching first place, Excello held strong retaining top spot based on the strength of past performances. But with their main player DabeliuTeeF heading to Australia furthering his studies, the competitiveness of the team will certainly suffer.
4. Any changes of team details or players should be communicated to me 1 week from the initial posting of this post (18 April 2009, 11 am). After the cut-off date is over (25 April 11 am), no amendments for period before Cyber Fushion will be entertained. The detailed Excel sheet will be posted up soon.

This post has been edited by underminer: Apr 18 2009, 11:17 AM

wow... a lot of update, nice job underminer
seems that a bit hard for you, have to do manually.
The ideal of malaysia dota ranking system is, can come up with a system which can count the point automatically once the organizer/administrator upload the result of the tournament. The website should contain, auto ranking system + personal&team profile(like mym website), any team changes their roster have to inform the system administration ( which is underminer ) to make sure the point didn't go to wrong person/team. player have to register an account in the website in order to let the system able to keep track on you, team/player who didn't create/register their "own ass" in the system are counted as "give up" in this ranking system, which may result you didn't enjoy the benefit of seeding. ( before this, need organizer recognize this ranking system as their main referral for generating bracket )

there still a lot thing can be done, like auto generating the bracket for organizer, schedule the tournament for the organizer. make until organizer just sponser prize money + pc + place, while the system do the rest. ( all the admin stuff, for example: registration, bracket, schedule all done by the system. ).

this will create less conflict, like whenever player mention that didn't see their name/team on the list, it might be they didn't create an account at the website at all ( or force player have to create an account in the website in order to participate the tournament.)

Thank for reading all these bullshit, because i know it quite hard to happen when it involve in money
RM10k should be sufficient to setup the system + webhosting + encourage player to create profile in the website...... for example

To avoid sponser team gain nothing at all when the team disband, for example, if follow your method, current kingsurf 5 player leave kingsurf sponser and create a new team call underminer team. underminer team will counted as rank no.3 now and kingsurf team will treated as "new" team if they join the upcoming tourney with different 5 player. The method where underminer using is to protect player and team itself, if you got gone through the previous post, you should know about it.

Taking account performance of teams in the recently concluded Qzone Dota Tournament which is categorize as a "C" grade tournament, here are the latest summary of rankings as at 26 April 2009.




A few things to note.

1. Due to the "mercenary" nature of some of the teams whether due to inavailability of certain members for an event or the constant clan hopping exercise, in the absence of detailed information from the players themselves, the points gathered will be granted to the team name in reference to the "key" person in it such as the leader. A good example of this will be INC'Xiao whereby the rosters of their last 2-3 tourneys were never fixed for reasons stated above. However, the leader of the team seems to be the same person carrying the INC tag to tournaments and did relatively well along the way. The points accumulated will be tabulated into the team INC'Xiao unless detailed information of movements of the members of the team is provided to me via pm and the points will be allocated accordingly.

2. Excello maintained top spot in the rankings despite their shock quarterfinal exit to Ftz'Btw at Qzone. However the champion Mineski.Tbun only managed to leap frog Kingsurf to 2nd place due to the robustness of past performance by Excello. With their key player DabeliuTeeF left the team to further his studies in Australia, the team's response to this will be crucial in maintaining the top spot.

3. Kingsurf again paying a tournament a skip after their emphatic win at CyberFusion 3 weeks ago due to logistics issues. Looks like only Grade "A" tournaments will be sufficient to attract them to tournaments to garner points for the rankings.

4. The finalists of this tournament, Qzone 1 managed to claw its way up to 13th in the rankings. With former Ks and w4si player Mikebz at the helm of the team, it will be interesting to see how far can they go. The scratch team of INC'Xiao which consists of Seanz, Mushi , Nettelian and Dharwin managed to clinch 3rd place with only Qzone 1 managed to prevent an "all outsider" final. With this performance, INC'Xiao managed to achieved 6th place in the rankings making them one of the most active teams on LAN right now.

5. 3 Ftz-sponsored teams managed to reach the last 8 of the tournament with 1 team (Ftz'Btw) managed to clinch 4th place. Looks like Ftz is serious in getting back into the pro scene. All 3 teams showing robust performance against their much fancied opponents. Ftz'St putting up a few wipe outs of Qzone 1, even taking both mid raxes before going down in a 1 hour 20 min battle in the quarterfinals. Ftz'RE was unlucky facing arguably the best team consists of 5 Malaysians right now in the quarterfinal but managed to give them a scare before crashing out. With more support from their sponsors, I am sure this 3 teams will go far.


Article Time !

The observation: We face a serious problem. With the exception of the top 3, our teams failed to plan beyond the next tournament in terms of roster management. Where every team is most likely 1 disagreement away from disbanding and with it all the work and chemistry trained up weeks or even months before goes down the drain in favour of more illustrious players from reputation for that 1 tournament before disbanding again in search of better prospects.

The danger : With 2 Asian teams pwning everyone at ESWC and Ks.International redefining the online scene over the past few months, many "national based" teams were set up to counter this and all has set their sights at SMM this year. The best American team Team Evil Geniuses has set their sights to come to Malaysia and win it. So does Team Ravens, the best Danish team led by Maelk, long considered the best leader and drafter in the history of competitive Dota has openly said that SMM is their target this year. Ks International with their all international lineup will surely grace the tournament and the Kuroky fanboys from all over the world (including within Malaysia) will surely want him to win it. Ah and the few ambitious chinese teams who has started to believe that they can come to South East Asia and win every Dota tournament that they join.

The complication : Our teams are continuing the same trend that led to the embarrassment in SMM 2008. Where wishful thinking of miracles with the changing of 1 or 2 players in the team will lead to increase in skills overnight. "IT WONT!!"
Arguably the top 5 of Malaysia at that time : Kingsurf , w4si , Ct-GOV , DNA-SK and PGA; how many folks here know that 4 of them has roster changes as recently as 1 day before the Grand Finals began? To put it into perpective, it made a team like PGA which were formed just 1 day before V2 begins looks strong just by getting by with individual talent and more insightful drafting (no offence Flizardo). Shows how teamwork was completely absent in our top teams just before SMM and the results of the Grand Finals were the best slap in our faces. To refresh everyone's memory, the fate of our nation's pride somehow got crushed by a certain player's personal problem. With all the hardwork our teams put months before the event, how did we crash so low to let something like this happen is really beyond me.

Solution : Perhaps its our collective education that made us stuck with this kind of planning levels. But I believe showing the scene the dangers and complications as stated above may somehow change the outlook of what we were facing and be more professional in their approach of big decisions within the team.


This post has been edited by underminer: Apr 26 2009, 12:01 PM

underminer may i ask the delova tourney wil update my team ranking ma =.=?InC-x|aO

The latest Dealova tournament will not be updated into the rankings as:

1. Its first placing do not meet the requirements of at least RM1,000 in cash prizes.

2. There were certain individuals / teams being denied participation by the organisers.

Any 1 of the above criteria listed will be sufficient to rank this event as a "private event" and "private events" will not be taken into account in the rankings system.

This post has been edited by underminer: May 3 2009, 04:39 PM

k thx ya

we didnt let some team join due to player request..understand?
u ask those player who r so scared of certain team.

A happening week of tournaments I noticed. Here are the summary of tournaments that will be taken into account for the rankings after the weekend of tournament is over.

1. SMM Melaka Qualifiers @ Melaka (B)

SGNDT 2009 Tournament Link

2. The OneTJ DotA Competition 2009 @ Sarawak ( C )

One TJ Tournament Link


3. Bornero Dota Tournament 2009 @ Sabah ( C )

Borneo Dota Tournament Link

Good luck to all participants.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 10:43 pmTaking into account the results of the OneTJ Dota tournament held in Kuching and Borneo Dota tournament held in Kota Kinabalu, the rankings were updated to reflect the results. Non of the teams managed to break into the top 10 but Excology and Sbm-Mobile are in 11th and 12th spot before the SMM Melaka Qualifiers results are taken into account.

Without further adue, this is the updated rankings for East Malaysia.

Top 10 East Malaysia:

1. Excology
2. Sbm-Mobile
3. M.X.
4. NERD
5. Gizmo.Mix
6. RevelationZ
7. cL.Hitz
8. cL.CRZ
9. ASP
9. MG
9. Aoe-Ult
9. Gs (Sarawak)
9. p2p.Gaming
9. Circus
9. x|ao (Sarawak)

Sbm-Mobile was formerly known as NSP-Freedom. I retired a few teams deemed inactive from East Malaysia and included for the first time Sarawak teams into the rankings following the success of the OneTJ Dota Tournament. The news clips there actually shown that the media was very much involved in the event. Perhaps tournaments in West Malaysia should consider doing the same.

The SMM Melaka Results will be taken into account after certain requirements are fulfilled by the organisers. These has been communicated to them and it should not take long before we can see an updated list.

This post has been edited by underminer: Jun 3 2009, 10:43 PM

Thanks for the updates of the rankings.

wow ggmix not no.1 in east m`sia?

This post has been edited by RvZephisQ: Jun 8 2009, 04:02 PM

sup with the smiley face Rv? not enuf 'boo-ing'?

If im not mistaken, i think RV beat every teams except GGMIX.. whats with the boo-ing? lol...