year 12......so he is in oz then.......

it will be very difficult to get direct entry to undergraduate entry med school in oz.......

for full fees international students, paradoxically, it's better to do a-levels somewhere else, and apply from without..........than try to get in with year 12, or overseas equivalent like sam, ausmat..........

medical schools will not want to cut intake, because their cost is almost the same, if they have 50 or 100 or 200 students.........there is a break even point where they will start making money (the purpose of these ipts, and the medical programme)......and they want to be well over that number.....

the only way forward, and to be efficient, is for some med schools to either close......or merge with others.........

imu cut down because the number of pms places has been reduced as some med schools drop from the partnership (eg, 20 slots now gone from nz now that auckland and otago have completely withdrawn)......

this is a medical school thread........go ask in the pharmacy thread........

i wonder if they are not jumping from the frying pan into the fire...........

i have doubts about this noc (didn't seem to work before), and doubts about the fairness of this exam.....

will it be another clp?.........

it will not be a viable project without some taxpayers money........

many of the mushrooming nursing colleges exist purely because of gov. funding of students to these places....

based on yesterday's press, at 1mil for jh 4 year graduate course, and 800k for rcsi 5 year undergraduate course, wholly in msia, i see few local private takers......and fewer foreigners.....

for that kind of money, just go direct to these countries.....or imu-pms......

unless, it is easy go get entry.......which will make a mockery of all the stated vows of high standards by jh......but i suspect it will happen, just as it did for monash msia......the cut off intake is significantly LOWER than monash clayton......

the recognition of these degrees by the parent country, and elsewhere remains unknown......but following current trends, likely NOT recognised by most countries.....including Spore.....

end of the day, it's businessman trying to make money......at the expense of the medical profession, and healthcare system......

i have doubts if this project will even take off....

without a teaching hospital....

and really, you cannot train doctors in msian type private hospitals.....seriously......

no, the pharmacist will not........

prescription errors is a small part of the 'mess'.......it purely relates to handwriting problems, and dosage discrepancies.....the pharmacist cannot, and is not trained to, correct diagnosis and treatment errors........

doctoring involves much much more than prescriptions and medications.....

please note that this proposal (and it is proposed only, at this point) is a political decision, and has NOTHING to do with ensuring standards of doctors..........

if it were just to ensure standards, they should just drop dubious med schools and only recognise the world standard ones (look at singapore's list).....and they should pay more attention to local med schools, both public and private..........many students, and med schools are anything but world class...........

however, politically, de-recognising the popular/cheap/easy med schools in russia/eastern europe/indinesia/egypt/jordan/china/bangladesh etc will be political suicide.........so obviously not an option........

in which case, ALL doctors including locally trained ones should have to sit fore the exam as well.........like the usmle and steps exams in the usa........where all medical students and graduates have to sit, both in and out of the usa.....

have to fair and transparent....(unfortunately, qualities NOT acceptable in the msian system).......

if the clp exam is an example, it WILL be used as a political tool to 'engineer' the correct ratios of racial distribution of doctors.....

let's not kid ourselves.....it's all about quotas, nothing to do with standards.......if they are really concerned about standards, they would have picked the BEST students into ipta med schools, not create an alternate easy pathway for a select group into ipta.......

i don't think it is the job of mmc ti get med schools listed in other list, such as imed.........

the respective med schools will have to apply for listing themselves, and they will have to satisfy set criteria.....

the cucms recognition is a mmc issue, NOT imed issue.........

Famm is fellow of the academy of medicine, malaysia.........honorary title in msia context......in spore fams is a form of accredition of specialist.......

basic sciences can be taught by non-medical doctors, it is not an issue, and is common in all med schools.........it is a waste of resources to insist that medically qualified lecturers teach the basic sciences.......with the notable exception of anatomy, which is best taught by anatomist or trainee surgeons.......

stick to pharmacy.......

there WILL be over supply of doctors by the time you graduate......

the melbourne model changed the 6 year undergraduate mbbs to the current 3+4 year graduate entry md.......that melbourne model has decided becoming the american model......

the healthcare scene in msia is going to be messy going forward, as there are too many doubtful med students (and new doctors) getting in to the medical profession, and that will inevitably drag down the general quality.........i agree with someone earlier, if you want an idea about what it may be like 10-15 years from now, look at indonesian healthcare system now........

dumbing down of education is never a good thing (see the number of straight a's students in this year's spm), but dumbing down doctoring to the lowest common denominator can and will be disastrous..........

he did not step down.....he is actually retired, but had been re-employed on a contract basis, which had been renewed several times before........

his contract is now not renewed...........

there is compulsory retirement from the civil service at 58.........

they will still consider this pseudo-jh because it will be very much EASIER to get in.........

presumably the perdana will incorporate the usmle step 1 and 2 into their programme, so graduates will be able to look for jobs in the us on graduation.....

not that different from some students from ipts who undertake the usmle privately......

there will still be an increase in the numbers, as many new med schools have NOT reached their maximum allowed intake...........

I foresee taylors having great problems with their pms programme.......other than st. Georges, I don't see anyone wanting to go to poland and indonesia.......and the st georges path is shut for most who may be interested......they want aaa at a levels.......

And as a very late comer to the local scene, the will have lots of problems finding good students with money......there are so many other more established options........

they have 2 programmes......the 1 mil one is the john Hopkins programme.....

the other undergraduate entry programme is with the rcsi and i think works out cheaper, about 800k.....

both are overpriced, and i really have grave doubts if it will really take off......even with jpa/mara providing most of the students......

another scheme to transfer taxpayer's money to some special people.........