of course lah.....you think any sane person will pay that kind of money for that degree?.....

the purpose of that med school is to tap into taxpayers money....aka jpa/mara scholarships......

3 months?......

that sounds like electives......which is in the prograrmme of almost all med schools and one can do it anywhere, and is mostly used by students as a holiday to visit a place they likely will not visit otherwise,,,,,

usually 3rd world students want to visit the 1st world,,,,and vice versa.....

very different from monash msia's compulsory exposure to aussie medical environment as required by amc rules.....

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Added on January 21, 2012, 11:52 am150?!.....

wow....no wonder they are desperately still going all around the country trying to solicit students.....and taking in people with rather low qualifications......

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By the time people entering med school now graduate, one may be grateful for a guaranteed job with the gov.......and some may be jobless......

As for roi......it is frightening to think how doctors may behave in future in order to 'get back their money'.......

actually, under current msia condition, that exam would have been a very welcome sieve............

problem is, the mmc wants ALL, including ipta/ipts students to sit....that of course does not sit well with some people.....it was politically unacceptable....

local australians residents(citizens and pr's) are not allowed to do foundations......well, they can i think if they want, but the unis will probably throw their applications out....

by default, they do year 12....alternative pathways in some private schools are ib and a levels....

exceptions are made for aussie residents residing outside australia....

it is not uncommon for people to try repeat a pre-u to attempt admission into a critical course....for sporeans, mufy would be an obvious choice....and they should find it relatively easy after the spore a levels (note that the marking standards of the spore a level is different from those of the uk boards, it is stricter, but not as strict as hk)....

imu mbbs is recognised only in msia and sri lanka....

non-recognised degree means one cannot register to work....

there are alternate pathways for registrations, ie exams you can sit for....

post-graduate training means working....therefore, cannot do training in uk etc...

some postgraduate qualifications on the other hand, needs no onshore training, and one can work in msia and sit for the exams.....

basically, if one gets a local msian medical degree, it basically means one will NOT be able to work in other countries without sitting for some sort of qualifying exams...

the only local msian degrees recognised elsewhere are:
um/ukm (spore)
monash sunway (australia/nz)
pmc irish degrees (ireland)
presumably the irish degrees with perdana and allianz will also be recognised in ireland.....

like i said, some postgraduate exams are open exams, and still recognised in msia......

this will be in the medical specialities.....

surgical postgraduate exams are closed to non-uk residents....(mrcs is open, but not recognised by msia, frcs is recognised, but needs uk work/training to be allow to sit).....the last 15 years, there has hardly been any more new frcs surgeons in msia.....almost all new surgeons goes through the local masters pathway.....with it's bottle neck and affirmative action policy.....

the same reason why although monash sunway degree is recognised in oz, many will not get jobs....and the fact that ireland is part of eu.....making immigration barriers worse....

in addition, not many people want to go work in ireland anyway.....and these degrees are NOT recognised by uk's gmc....so they can't work in uk.....which is the preferred country to work.......

i simply cannot understand would be medical students......

would not an 'easy to enter' med school be considered suspect in quality, and you may not get good training?.....

how does that then reflect on the student looking for these 'easy to enter' med schools?......

do the sums....and the reason for all these new med schools become obvious....

people who make these decisions will be able to choose and afford quality healthcare....so it doesn't affect them....

recognition of the specific degrees of medicine will remain with the mmc....which while saying they want the section 13/2 list shortened, will no doubt add a few hundred more should the political master say so.....

of course not....!

that is the reality of msian medical scene, in the near future....nobody knows how it will pan out, as msia has never experienced this phenomena of over supply of doctors before.....

but looking at examples from other countries, eg india, the philippines, etc....we have an idea how it's going to be like....

therefore, it makes sense NOT to embark on the course, unless you are very sure that's what you want to do.....

like is said elsewhere, there will always be a place for good, competent, well trained and empathic doctors.....because, msia will need about 4000 new doctors a year once the target ratio of 1:400 population is reached between 2017 and 2020 (date will depend on how many doctors graduate from now).....the excess will have to find something else to do....

natural selection will weed out the weak students/poorly trained doctors from the system....

this is already happening....some housemans drop out as they cannot cope, and went on to do other things, eg, one is doing weight loss programme for a slimming centre.....

by the time you graduate, there will be a surplus of doctors, many will not be offered jobs with the gov, and some will not get employed at all.....

he was basing the calculations on 4k doctors a year.....last year it was 6+k.....

and has anyone thought about what happens when we reach the magical 'target'?.....just suddenly close 1/2 the med schools?.....we will only need <3k doctors to keep constant (replace retiring/dead doctors) then......and we are producing 7k.....what happens to the extra thousands with no jobs?....

i think the word 'investment' is appropriate...but in education....the returns of which cannot be measured in dollars and cents....

an added benefit of investment in education, msian style, is the potential returns in terms of opportunity to work/live in another country....

urban rural divide and maldistribution exist in all bigger sized countries.....

it's a big problem in oz too....

certainly a major problem in msia....particularly big states like sabah and sarawak....

that has being the norm all the while, since rural clinics (klinik desa, klinik kesihatan Besar) were set up in the 70's to 80's.....they are run by paramedics called 'Assistant Doctors' (current name), previously known as Medical Assistant, Hospital Assistant, Dressers......and Jururawat Desa (previously Assistant Nurse).....the majority are still run as such....only the major townships have the KKB upgraded to District Hospitals, and qualified doctors posted....

so it's nothing new.....

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Added on June 10, 2012, 1:29 pmhttp://www.qiup.edu.my/index.php/faculties/faculties-bachelor-of-medicine-bachelor-of-surgery-mbbs

the newest one....

and they have resorted to advertising repeatedly on the radio (litefm....presumably targeting at middle aged parents )....the first time i have heard any medical school needing to advertise on radio....and it's so corny....'doctor, doctor.....we have an emergency here....'...

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 10 2012, 02:59 PM