wow that is very expensive for an olay product. thought they were usually the 50 bucks range. wonder whats so special about this one as the price is almost the same as my shiseido moisturizer.

I did an honest comparison of the ingredients and the Olay wins hands down. The Shiseido moisturizers for men are really overpriced...too basic and lacking in antioxidants to be priced at RM145. Even the Total Revitalizer is comparable to the micro sculpting serum. Even the slightly cheaper Olay Regenerist Serum (RM70), has better ingredients and finish compared to the Shiseido Moisturizing Emulsion. However Shiseido still wins coz it comes in 100ml..ahaha..that's bout all.

i just did a price check on amazon, seems like the normal serum goes for USD15 while the micro-sculpting one goes for USD20. how does the retailers in malaysia justify going from rm70 to rm130 between the two? it ridiculous just like everything else in this country. maybe i should start importing some over and sell em at rm100 and i'd still make good profit lol.

The micro sculpting cream retails for RM99...but can go down till RM70 during sales.

That's what u call a pure monopoly man !

I'll probably buy my skincare products online in the future. If seriously end up importing stuff do let me know..i'll be ur first customer LOL.

thanks jonny4.

i did my research and found it here.
scform.com/avene-review
Well u did quote this site before. I think its the best.

hm next can u recommend me a small size sunscreen product. coz i din usually go out when its hot
thanks again

is Olay Regenerist line very good for look younger and hydration function? cream one better than serum?

where can i get the trial pack set for Laneige RM60? quite a good price.

I'm currently using Body Shop Tea Tree Oil facial wash and Aqualabel moisturizer. My gf used the Clinelle toner u mentioned and said it was good.

Last time I used to really like the Biore UV Perfect Face Milk SPF50 as it controlled shine/oil well. But after a couple of months it made my face too dry and the finish was a bitt too polished for a guy to pull off...as though I was wearing make up. so right now I changed to Sunplay UV Moisture Milk SPF50. Been using it for about 2 months and its great...shine control not as good as Biore but at least its alcohol free. So depends on how oily ur skin is I guess. If ur skin is really oily go for Biore...if not the Sunplay will do. Both are around 30ml and priced around RM25-30.

I think http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1203406 should be merged here

The Regenerist line is famous for being affordable and delivers results. I have used the micro sculpting cream before and it ain't oily (unless u use a lot). The serum would suit oilier skins and cream for drier skins. Serum can use day n night while cream better use at night.

U can get the trial pack fr this LYN seller named Wizard_Scorpion. The trial pack comes with 5 items but u can choose to get them individually too. The trial pack is actually not sold at counters n is actually a gift with purchase. She sells em so contact her for more details. Her thread is at the "Stuff For Ladies" section.

regarding removing acne marks, how do you feel about loreal men expert's new product "pure & matte anti-mark"? i just started using this.

it has "melanin-vanish" which is found i think in loreal's white perfect line or something, salycic acid, etc (i threw away the box). it also touts a "smoothing, matte" effect, maybe ingredients found in women's make up primer, dioc-something. the matte thing works somewhat on my oily nose, but not too impressed.

Been reading scform for reducing acne scars.
AHA products/Pure BHA(salicylic acid) products/ Exfoliator, sigh, where to find? Only thing easy to get is Olay regenerist serum.

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also problem, with red (big noticeable patch), flaky skin around nose and side of mouth, any suggestions?

btw i'm using cetaphil for cleansing. used to use panoxyl 2.5% BP to threat/prevent acne and blackheads but can no longer find it. cursessss!

This post has been edited by frega: Oct 8 2010, 06:38 AM

I actually bought the roll on a few weeks back and looking at the ingredients I think it only works for minor scarring. The texture is really sticky and never seems to dry. But it seems to be quite good in fighting acne rather than vanishing scars. I don't think I'll be buying this again.Vitamin C and retinoids still work best for scars.

Its a pain finding potent and affordable BHA/AHA products in msia. Neutrogena has a good range but they don't sell it here...maybe in the future. Probably the most accessible and affordable AHA/BHA products is from Avene. Cleanance K has both AHA n BHA and is a nightly treatment against whitehead/blacheads...should also work for minimal scarring. Costs around RM50-60. Cleanance K is effective but the texture, finish and smell is horrible.

As for the flaky skin just use a heavier moisturizer and it should solve the prob.

I just saw a few tubes of panoxyl 2.5% at Guardian 1U new wing a month ago. I contacted the distributor once coz I couldn't find 2.5% anywhere n they told me they are still importing it but I need to ask the pharmacist to do a special order sometimes.

so safe bet is to use cleanse(Cetaphil) -> serum(Olay Regenerist) -> AHA/retinoid(Diacneal) -> moisturizer?

diacneal gotta order from US online.. hmmmmm... I bought the moisturizing gel (Loreal Anti-mark), not the roll-on stick. So gotta switch to another moisturizer now since AHA + retinoid + BHA (salicylic acid from the Loreal) might be wayyy to strong.

u can get diacneal from guardian or watsons. i kinda stopped using diacneal, it's quite effective in removing red spots/scars but they cause new ones the break out as well from my experience so it's kinda 2 edged sword for me.

Retinoid (Diacneal) works best applied to clean skin so don't apply any moisturizer/serum before Diacneal. Apply Diacneal, wait 30mins to an hour den apply your moisturizer. Don't think u need to apply both serum and moisturizer. U could probably use the serum in the day and moisturizer at night.

Diacneal can get locally la at some Guardian, Watsons and Caring. It's RM60-70 depending on sales. But if u can get it cheaper from US then get it online. Do read reviews of Diacneal first as it aint a miracle cure. Its a long hard road when using retinoids...ur face will get worse b4 it gets better. If your acne is mild there is no need to use strong products like Diacneal.

Most of the time the salicylic acid in these products are very mild. If u use Diacneal u don't need any other AHA product as it contains both lactic and glycolic acid and at good amounts. If u do get Diacneal then there is no need to use Cleanance K.

This post has been edited by jonny4: Oct 8 2010, 05:04 PM

JOnny. Need help about my face. So oily one. Also sometimes cause pimples. One pimple at a time.

ANy help man?

Do u use any kind of skincare products ?

This post has been edited by jonny4: Oct 8 2010, 09:25 PM

I just bought the Biore white color sunscreen today, i got another Sunplay SPF65 one which i been using as recent, shall see which one suit me better.

As for the Olay regenerist cream, is it better or same result as the serum (which is lesser in quantity).

I need to get into eye care for now, thanks to overload of work. Any recommendation, particularly against eyebags

U will need to use cleansing oil to remove the sunscreen or risk getting breakouts due to clogged pores.

Serum is more concentrated and lighter than the cream. If u intend to use day and night n u have oily skin den go 4 de serum. If ur skin is drier den use the cream or u can layer another moisturizer over de serum.

Nowadays a lot of the eye gels/roll ons are useless in removing dark circles and to an extent eye bags. Most of the results is temporary. I'm using the Loreal Men eye roll on. its good refreshing the eyes and making eye bags smaller but din do much for dark circles. The only one I heard that is very effective is the Avene Ystheal Eye Contour Care...costs RM100+.

I thought I'd use Diacneal to diminish acne scar? Is that not a good idea, since Diacneal has AHA & retinoid. And I do have blackheads and acne when I don't get much sleep, which is usually all the time. At least 1 at all times, worst is 3-5 pimples.

I have no idea what the alternative is, for an easily obtained affordable AHA + retinoid or AHA + BHA or equivalent combo product. You said Cleanacne K is only for "minimal scaring", mine arent minimal.

This post has been edited by frega: Oct 8 2010, 10:57 PM

If that's the case then Diacneal would be a good option for you. Coz some ppl freak out at 1 or 2 pimples and start going out to buy all the harsh and expensive acne products...they end up making things worse. But in your situation I guess Diacneal would be beneficial. Diacneal is much more effective then Cleanance K. Just keep in mind that for the first few weeks u will get more breakouts as the acne deep in the skin is drawn out. If u have been a AHA/BHA product consistently for a few months then the breakouts won't be too bad. I used Diacneal previously as a spot treatment and I din really see a big difference. Now I use it all over my face at night n after 1 week I can see the effect. However it really dried my skin out...but not as bad as benzoyl peroxide. Also Diacneal is strictly for night use...retinoids break down by sunlight and in some cases become toxic when exposes to the sun.

The most important thing when using a retinoid like Diacneal is applying sunscreen daily no matter if u r in the sun or not. I made the big mistake of skipping sunscreen the 1st round I was on Diacneal and my acne scars became darker.