Zenith under the new CEO (the Moroccan guy) has become something of a joke to those who knew the old Zenith. They were the most aggressive in making pocketwatch-sized wristwatches with the sort of extroverted design that appeals to teenagers. Yeah, I know, generation gap and all. But I'm in my mid to late twenties myself. Not that old yet.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 9:04 pm
Swatches are great watches for what they are meant to be: casual, fun and affordable. There are no successful fakes. Most of them are plastic, though not all. Your BF will like them. Those on ebay might have been worn before. Or they might be new. Be sure to ask.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 9:13 pmRegarding used Dornblueths: It's a German watch, with a German heritage, so lots of Germans like it. If you want to read about this watch in German, you have to search for it under "Dornblueth" and not "Dornbluth". Notice the extra "e". The u umlaut (the two dots above the ü) are written as "ue" when you use a keyboard with no umlauts. Here, for instance, was a 99.1 that sold for 2400 Euros, goddammit:

http://www.watchlounge.com/wbb3/wl/index.p...tID=1165177&l=1

German is my second language so I read a few German watch forums. Here is the price list on the German Rolex Forum:

http://www.r-l-x.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=88167

<<< Im happy and proud that I own a TAG Heuer and would like to own a Patek 10 years down the road when i am 33..>>>
at 23 already can afford RM19K watch.. target not too far away man!

Congrads! Zenith do make good watch. although some ppl do love vintage Zenith.

worth RM 18.8K??? hmm the way I see it expensive. On a good day in States, some outlet do let them go at 50-70% discount!
of course is surplus stock and out dated model.
2 issue with Zenith is mainly cost associated
1) Problem with Zenith is they change the design freq, thus do not bring high resale value.
not going to sell it, sure at RM 18.8K why not.
if dare to risk it, surf around there are reliable grey market places to get better deal maybe at RM 16K or lower.
2) El Primero is a pretty complex movement, few watchmaker can do a good job. U'll have to pay a premium to get it done right with the AD.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 10:16 pm

its steel bracelet with a plastic face.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 10:25 pm

Oops... late 20s.. I still think late 30s!  U are the few that thinks this way man.

Jean-Frédéric Dufour is Moroccan? don't know his style.. didn't he come from Chopard.
I still thought Thierry Nataf is the flamboyant guy.

but i think i wont buy him a fake 1..wan2 buy also buy a original 1 lah..can last longer...

izzit meant to be for guys?? or gal pakai 1 the watch? 

Its funny.. U just gave him what he wanted to hear!

for his budget, wanted a fashionable watch that ppl recong... thats is good deal!
watch.. wear it, enjoy it!

but what I wanna to know is how freq will andrew1st use the chrono feature.
what to time? maybe runner, swimmer, racer!!

u r so sarcastic!!

So patryn33, what are your views on Rolex?

simple watch not fancy features, build to last.. many ppl love it.
great resale value. renown brand.
crazy with COSC certification.. I think rolex should have their own standard like PP.
I don't really care for it, ladies love it!

whats your take? U getting 1?

No, no, never. It looks very masculine though. Saw a very new Submariner once on the wrist of a student as he was carrying his lunch tray. It looks great "live" -- very shiny, very recognizable.

wow student also wear sub nowadays.. 

swatch watches, I say Unisex esp the model U looking at.
all swatch watches come with plastic face, like baby G.

orginal swatch != longer lasting. QC isn't that strict.
nice thing is if broke, an automatic can be fix easily!

haha thank you everyone for their feed backs on zenith especially to "kotmj" and "patryn33"

to be honest its not a big thing if its an old stock haha if its nice in my eyes then i'll just take it!

wow 50-70% that's pretty low, some peeps asked me to wait for the lvmh sales, anyone has any idea when will it be in Malaysia?

i went to the luxury clearance for valiram group and the omegas were at 50% discount or lowerr

U'll be surprise how rich students these days!
found 1 Uni student, owns like 5-6 watches, sell them away away can easily afford a Rolex Daytona!!!

Seiko Credor! I seen this model in a mag somewhere. if I do dig it out will share with U.

for now.. about spring drive!! a great read.. I bet U understand the mechanics a whole LOT better than me.. 
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2005_0...2005_06_136.pdf
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2007_0...2007_06_214.pdf

Nice read. I keep hearing about Spring Drive, but it's only now I bothered to understand what it is about. And I am not impressed. I wrote earlier that the mechanical watch has a simple spring, a simple gear train, and one of the most ingenious inventions of all time -- the escapement. The Spring Drive keeps the simple stuff but replaces the escapement with a quartz oscillator. This is very much missing the point of a mechanical watch.