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The Watches Thread V1
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 Jul 23 2009, 12:13 AM
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Jul 24 2009, 05:20 PM
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My dream watch is a Dornblueth. It's made largely by hand by Dirk Dornblueth, a second generation East German watchmaker. His watches are the best implementation of an aesthetic the Germans call the B-Uhr (Beobachtungsuhr) or Observation Watch. Prices start at RM 18k, which is why it will remain a dream for now. Here are some pics, as antidote against all the super sporty, techno sports watches on this thread.
   Added on July 24, 2009, 5:26 pmHere is a B-Uhr from Lange. Most German marine watches had this typical look.  This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 24 2009, 05:26 PM |
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Jul 25 2009, 10:44 AM
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Plain? Well it *might* look plain-ish (though I can't see how it is plain) because there are only two bridges visible. The three-quarter plate dominates. The three quarter plate used to be a big deal back when watches were assembled by hand, because to get all the wheels in the right position before capping them with one big plate required more work and skill from the watchmaker. As recently as year 2001 Dornblueth used to make them with antiquated pre-war machines (he would trade his watches for machines) and plenty of elbow grease. He is much wealthier now, and actually employs people. Back then, it was only he and his father working from home.
Added on July 25, 2009, 10:49 amBut really, Dornblueth is out of my league for now. If it wasn't for this year's economy, I could have a Grand Seiko through my bonus. But there won't be much of a bonus this year. This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 25 2009, 10:49 AM |
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Jul 25 2009, 04:59 PM
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I'm interested in pictures of the JLC too.
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Jul 26 2009, 02:09 AM
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No! Not GQ. Please not.
Added on July 26, 2009, 2:14 am"Grand Seiko? the price pt also along the lines with Dornblueth. Bonus big big man!" No, not Spring Drive. I like manual wind watches, so it has to be the SBGW0001 for me. About RM 11,600 from Seiya.com. This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 26 2009, 02:14 AM |
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Jul 26 2009, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(andrew1st @ Jul 26 2009, 04:50 PM) hi guys, im now considering to buy seiko criteria SNDB23P1, ANY COMMENT about this watch?? I'll be magnanimous and tell you my unvarnished opinion. Are you ready for it? Nah, I don't think so. Therefore: It's a nice little Seiko that fits current taste in watches. Plenty watch enough for most people. Those philistines.if any1 here selling, offer me the price. thx!!   |
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Jul 27 2009, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 26 2009, 05:48 AM) another 1-2K more can own a Dornblueth on Calibre 99.0 man! still so humble and say Dornblueth unattainable. U looking for the regulator or those complications? Dornblueths are more expensive than you think. He has been raising prices non-stop. I'm looking at the 99.1. A USED 99.1 is comparable in price with a Grand Seiko SBWG001. Nice articles there! You seem really in touch with watches; your repertoire in this field is large.not sure if U read this IWC vs Dornblueth 99.1 review http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2006_0...2006_02_058.pdf this is on Dornblueth 99.2.. power reserve http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2005_0...2005_02_068.pdf I have to agree GQ is bad! I really miss having a proper watch. I don't wear one now. When I was a student, my best watch was a basket case of a 50's Longines I bought off eBay. Gawd, I loved that thing. Here are some before and afters. When I received the watch it was all gunked up. Every crevice was filled with human gunk. The previous owner smoked; that smoke tarred the dial. Here, I cleaned off a corner of the dial.  The movement is the highlight. It's the Longines 23 Z. It's made in the 50's, so no CNC, CAD, ISO shit here. The human touch.  I found the watch very comforting to own and to wear. Especially in difficult moments. I looked forward to winding it every night. Added on July 27, 2009, 12:41 amI also restored the movement by myself. This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 27 2009, 12:54 AM Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Jul 27 2009, 08:59 PM
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Zenith under the new CEO (the Moroccan guy) has become something of a joke to those who knew the old Zenith. They were the most aggressive in making pocketwatch-sized wristwatches with the sort of extroverted design that appeals to teenagers. Yeah, I know, generation gap and all. But I'm in my mid to late twenties myself. Not that old yet.
Added on July 27, 2009, 9:04 pm QUOTE(yeelin04 @ Jul 27 2009, 04:41 AM) Added on July 27, 2009, 9:13 pmRegarding used Dornblueths: It's a German watch, with a German heritage, so lots of Germans like it. If you want to read about this watch in German, you have to search for it under "Dornblueth" and not "Dornbluth". Notice the extra "e". The u umlaut (the two dots above the ü) are written as "ue" when you use a keyboard with no umlauts. Here, for instance, was a 99.1 that sold for 2400 Euros, goddammit: http://www.watchlounge.com/wbb3/wl/index.p...tID=1165177&l=1 German is my second language so I read a few German watch forums. Here is the price list on the German Rolex Forum: http://www.r-l-x.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=88167 This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 27 2009, 09:17 PM |
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Jul 28 2009, 12:07 AM
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Yeah I meant Nataf. I googled, and found out he was fired recently. The Zenith of today is a product of Nataf.
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Jul 28 2009, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 28 2009, 12:35 AM) fire? I thought he left to pursue something outside. he has been around for quite sometime.. 2001 to 2009. Well, I'm a mechanical designer (what the French and Germans call a Konstrukteur) by training, so I design precision mechanisms. But I work now as something else. I used to repair old mechanical cameras as a hobby. Compared to cameras, watches are peanuts. They are very simple, very abbreviated, very elegant solutions. The design of most classical movements is very stable, with only the most minor changes from model to model, unlike even old cameras where each new model entails a complete redesign of everything inside. (The exceptions are exotic movements.)anyway, care to share how u learn your watch making skills? I restored my grandfather's pendulum clock when I was 16. It was bloody, because the mainspring sprang open and cut a deep wound into my thumb. Etc. But it ticks now, and has an incredible wire gong. I also read a lot about it. But I'm no longer in touch with mechanics. I mostly manage people nowadays. Now those are even more complicated than old cameras. Added on July 28, 2009, 1:17 amleft on own wish to pursue other interests = fired BTW, try searching for Thierry nataf on timezone. Do it. Added on July 28, 2009, 1:20 amThere's no shame in being fired when you're a CEO. It happens all the time for the most arbitrary of reasons. Same thing for project managers. This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 28 2009, 01:20 AM |
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Jul 28 2009, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 28 2009, 01:40 AM) European culture... hmm.. can't really tell what they mean by just that sentence without any background. Watch repair is peanuts. You'll pick it up quickly. Problem is, once you do mechanisms lose a bit of their magic. All that bling bling disappears and you see them for what they are: A simple spring coiled up, the simplest of gear trains, and the most incredible invention in mechanics ever, the escapement.some actually did leave to start up their own business or what not. having work with Germans/Finnish/Brits don't really know. a quick scan on timezone, plenty of haters, plenty of rumor too! Rolex, Hamilton, Omega etc.. judging from that, Fired is very likely! ya certainly no shame... he did tried his best. U find ppl loving their design. I like the crazy defy design too, but its just super expensive! Now I like their classic elite models. if the New CEO moves away from the crazy design.. prices of those wacky type may drop quite a bit. Can keep an eye on the LVMH friends and family sale postings on fatwallet.com. Even when they say no resale, U still find plenty getting exchanged! Oh... Mechanical engineer! no wonder U appreciate the mechanics in such detail. No Mechanical engineer here.. didn't have the passion until late 20s. few ppl actually look at watches the way U do. Most ppl its status, fashion, some even go to deep and say its a expression of ones character like the clothes they wear. Like Real. people are more complex of course! LOL.. Guess I need to find a way so I can start bottom up... Hey if you enroll in the Rolex Diploma, tell us about it! Added on July 28, 2009, 12:23 pm QUOTE(andrew1st @ Jul 28 2009, 12:57 AM) im buying this for RM680, is this a good price?? This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 28 2009, 05:24 PM |
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Jul 28 2009, 11:27 PM
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Jul 30 2009, 12:05 AM
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So patryn33, what are your views on Rolex?
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Jul 30 2009, 01:45 AM
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I really ought to be sleeping, but I just chanced upon the most remarkable watch design in a very long time.
 At first glance, it looks odd, definitely not mainstream, somewhat reminiscent of Bulovas and Midos of the 80's. But look at it longer and suddenly -- like any good novel, any good painting -- you enter into another world. The use of circles as a repeating motive, the spare use of silvered markers, the minute markers like stars in the sky, and the contrast and suggestion of the sickle shape. The dominant theme of silver. Guess what the design brief was? Well it's a moonphase watch. My guess: Design a watch as sepulchral as the moon. Compare it with any other watch, especially a sports watch, and you'll see how base, how crude the latter looks. 10/10 for design. A masterpiece. Added on July 30, 2009, 3:25 pm QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 30 2009, 01:35 AM) simple watch not fancy features, build to last.. many ppl love it. No, no, never. It looks very masculine though. Saw a very new Submariner once on the wrist of a student as he was carrying his lunch tray. It looks great "live" -- very shiny, very recognizable.great resale value. renown brand. crazy with COSC certification.. I think rolex should have their own standard like PP. I don't really care for it, ladies love it! whats your take? U getting 1? This post has been edited by kotmj: Jul 30 2009, 03:25 PM |
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Jul 31 2009, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 30 2009, 10:09 PM) Seiko Credor! I seen this model in a mag somewhere. if I do dig it out will share with U. Nice read. I keep hearing about Spring Drive, but it's only now I bothered to understand what it is about. And I am not impressed. I wrote earlier that the mechanical watch has a simple spring, a simple gear train, and one of the most ingenious inventions of all time -- the escapement. The Spring Drive keeps the simple stuff but replaces the escapement with a quartz oscillator. This is very much missing the point of a mechanical watch.for now.. about spring drive!! a great read.. I bet U understand the mechanics a whole LOT better than me..  http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2005_0...2005_06_136.pdf http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2007_0...2007_06_214.pdf |
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Aug 2 2009, 07:09 PM
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I was at Sunway Pyramid today and on the ground floor there is a watch shop that carried Grand Seikos! What a find. The SBGW001 truly is a handsome watch. There is however a hefty premium to be paid compared to ordering it from Japan.
This pic of the watch best approximates how it looks like in person.  This post has been edited by kotmj: Aug 2 2009, 11:23 PM |
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Aug 5 2009, 12:36 AM
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well, take a pic and show us
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Aug 5 2009, 02:09 PM
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It looks better in person than the catalog pics you posted earlier. It's a very masculine watch, so now you'll need to go to the gym and lift very heavy weights to grow more forearm hair to match the watch.
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Aug 5 2009, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(KLX213 @ Aug 5 2009, 11:16 PM) this guy must be hating all his life i don't understand this statement. go drink your 2.5 scoops of whey |
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Aug 18 2009, 11:01 PM
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Jesus Christ, it's like wearing an alarm clock.
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