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post Mar 30 2010, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(nando @ Mar 30 2010, 09:33 AM)
if you're willing to try out online purchase..you can save 400-500 ringgit maybe
check out this site...
http://www.authenticwatches.com/tag-heuer-...113-ba0850.html

i got no personal experience on authenticwatches.com..so you might need to google yourself to search for buyer experience...
.also got several sites selling Tags...

i guess if you buy from local AD, the RM400-500 ringgit gives you the opportunity to see, touch, try and check the watch extra carefully before committing....
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iirc the Spring LVMH friends and family Sale 2010 maybe starting soon.. usually 1st or 2nd week of Apr..
usually those Tag are at 50%. problem is they don't ship out of USA.
I think locally there is one going on in Dec.

a saving of 400-500 hmmm... add shipping and possibility 10% tax will it still be worthwhile?


Added on March 30, 2010, 10:12 am
QUOTE(Jason @ Mar 30 2010, 09:51 AM)
properly executed like the IWC, i love it. the Longines half cut 12 hasn't yet jive with me, still looks odd.
B&R is a fashion watch with a nicely engineered case. more of a watch assembler than watchmaker, no value to me.
IWC - i love it, lots of work done on the movement, timeless and classic design and not as common
Omega - superb value for money, but then again, its rather common.
IWC.... not sure if much Mod going on in the movement, if its finishing ya.. alot of effort is put into finishing the movement. more Mod is done on those 7750 base Pammy than IWC will be my take. perhaps with time IWC may fit it with their new inhouse Caliber 89360

anyway... Stowa just show case their 1st chrono at baselworld 2010
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QUOTE(romeolee @ Mar 30 2010, 11:34 AM)
haha.. im one lucky dude.. btw.. is the price increase temporary or permanent??
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its temporary for 1 yr, then its going up again next yr... haha... biggrin.gif


Added on March 30, 2010, 6:36 pm
QUOTE(eugenetwh @ Mar 30 2010, 11:13 AM)
can any1 give me some opinion on azimuth SP-1 Spaceship PVD????
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interesting looking watch, sure catch ppl attention, forgive me some ppl might kind SWATCH looking... even if it retails at ~RM$17.5k
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Added on March 30, 2010, 6:41 pm
QUOTE(ck77 @ Mar 30 2010, 02:11 PM)
Sellita is the licensed 'clone' ETA movement manufacturer. Some is arguing the quality is lower than the ETA's one. Oris is using Sellita for few years now.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=269251
http://forums2.watchuseek.com/showthread.p...hybrid&t=129306
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well.. some say no need licensed as the copyright more accurate patent to ETA 2824/2892/7750 has expired (iirc only last 20yrs) and anyone can make it.

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QUOTE(eugenetwh @ Mar 30 2010, 06:54 PM)
is it a worth buying watch at this price??? is azimuth a good manufacturer?
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azimuth is a good manufacturer, but I would get it. Just don't dig the design.
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post Mar 31 2010, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(eugenetwh @ Mar 30 2010, 08:13 PM)
well, i dun re-sell my watches... cz the feel is thr. Eg, u dun "re-sell" ur wife rite???
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for most ppl they don't... some ppl do...with the right $$ offered that is.. tongue.gif
anyway, I wouldn't group watch and wife together, there are tons of Rolex/Omega collectors that trade watches away.
there are also tons of ppl that flip watches, just check out WUS/pmwf/watchnet etc.. so many private sellers..
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QUOTE(ck77 @ Mar 31 2010, 02:51 PM)
Nope, not mine, do contact him for more details.
Price is ok if still under warranty.  smile.gif
warranty from a graymarket... http://www.authenticwatches.com/
looks like are there are lots of ppl are shopping online...

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Mar 31 2010, 09:06 PM)
Doxa is getting alot of TV exposure here in the USA.
Guy Fieri a TV host and chef has been spotted wearing DOXA SUB 750T GMT alot
http://guyfieri.com/doxa_sub_watch.html
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Added on April 1, 2010, 11:06 am
QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 1 2010, 12:26 AM)
you can read up more about IWC's modifications on their movements here. as ebauches are not supplied anymore, its said that ETA built the movements to IWC specifications.
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with that, IWC is simply casing the watch for this model..


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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Apr 1 2010, 06:41 PM)

Added on April 1, 2010, 6:44 pm
Thanks for all the feedback.  Looks like you guys prefer Omega.  But like Jason said, it's rather common and also agree that the B&R watch is a "fashion" type watch, but apparently these kinds of watches are getting a lot of attention in the watch connoisseurs world (Cartier, Hublot, Franck Mueller).  In fact, a lot of watches are just cases assembled with modified ETA movements - difficult to find one that isn't, even from the so called watch makers, you need to spend 5x the base model price to get an in-house movement.

Isn't the Omega Co-Axial an ETA movement manufactured by it's parent company?
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Omega movement isn't base on the regular ETA 2824 or 2892.
Ya they do leverage on the manufacturing facilities to make their movement. As of today, they are the only company getting those Co-axial movement.

u don't have to spend 5X the base price of a B&R to get a inhouse movement. B&R prices at US$4k could get U a inhouse movement already.
even Cartier uses ETA for their entry level watches.

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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Apr 2 2010, 05:20 PM)
Funny thing about Nomos is, up until recently they were using ETA movements as well, and the reverse is true for BR, who used German movements produced by Sinn before moving exclusively to ETA.  I actually did not know until recently that Nomos transitioned to in-house movements and are getting quite good at it. I think they are a brand to keep an eye on and will gain more attention as time goes on.   
I had a Seiko watch that also used an in-house movement.  Fraction of the price of the Nomos.  Perhaps you cannot compare the two, but that is the beautiful nature of watches.  That is why there will be people for all markets, including someone like myself who is comfortable buying a "fashion" watch. 
Not too recent though..
until 2005 it is based on Peseux 7001. Panerai also intro their 1st inhouse movement in the yr Nomos goes full inhouse.
well.... BR is using rebrand Sinn, and Sinn was made by Guinand which use ETA movement. No German made movement as far as I could remember.

Japanese/Russian do make their own movement for a fraction of the cost. for 4K can get a nice Grand Seiko or those Seiko Spring Drive. not really "fashion".
B&R is really cool looking, more masculine than those watches in a inhouse movement.
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I have to agree there are always ppl out there that look for a premium "fashion" watch, that how they make money! nothing wrong with that.

No one in Asia look at Louis Moinet pr Perrelet below. For LM I think all inhouse and limited edition to under 100 pcs and most expensive pcs is like CHF1Million. design very non traditional.
http://lmtime.com/watches/datoscope.php
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dress watches U can easily find brands such as RGM, Zenith Class Elite, Frederique Constant using an inhouse movement recent. Frederique Constant;s 1st inhouse movement on a few watch. they do start under US$4K. Those Vulcain watches (many US president get those on their inauguration) with Alarm also using their inhouse movement.
JeanRichard also offering their JR1000 movement on many watches, after discount I think is under US$4K too.
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Added on April 3, 2010, 1:12 am
QUOTE(beguiler @ Apr 2 2010, 03:34 PM)
hehe i got this azimuth pvd-black sp-1 mecanique

whole BLACK series and 02X/200

i love this watch very much and is very very nice! ^^user posted image
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where did U get it from? care to share? Any more pics on the watch?

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 3 2010, 06:55 PM)
what do you guys think of limited production watches? furthermore those that are only sold online and no AD in malaysia? specifically, doxa. huh? worth buying?
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if U want to sell it locally, maybe poor resale value.
selling online to other markets generally better.
DOXA is famous for their orange sub.. Me personally... Its WORTH it.

BTW: U up your budget?

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 3 2010, 07:23 PM)
planning to get the marathon, but just can't stop thinking of the doxa. the 800Ti really makes my nose spewing blood. but the price is the same as omega SMP.
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US$700 vs US$2700.. just get what your budget allows for now or save up!
then its Omega vs Doxa. Doxa is rated at 800Ft or ~242m
I like the Doxa 5000T better.. higher grade movement 2892, rated at 5000ft or 1524m. priced at US$2K better deal.

anyway.. Marathon do have watches made to MIL-PRF-46374G spec. not sure whats in it.. I guess its anti magnetic, corrosion and water resistance to 3ATM?

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 3 2010, 07:45 PM)
what are the problems we might face in future if we buy watches like doxa? i mean, limited production, altho the movement is the common ETA, no local AD, etc?
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I don't see a problem... unless u are talking case broke. rubber gasket pretty standard can replace easily. within the warranty period, generally if U don't see problems in the 1st 1mth U will not find any until the 4 or 5th yr when its time to get it clean and oil.
common ETA movement, any reputable watchmaker can do the job. plenty of parts around too.
only problem is finding a watchmaker U can trust.
U maybe able to go to AD authorize service centre (for other brands such as Oris) to get the job done. some brands contract it out to private company to do the job. Swiss Prestige or GMT TIME maybe that kind. usually that means it will cost more to get it done right with a peace of mind.

Swiss Prestige Sdn Bhd
Wisma UOA II, Suite 11-07, 21, Jalan Pinang
MY 50450 Kuala Lumpur

GMT TIME SPECIALIST SERVICE CENTRE
NO. 2 MEZZANINE FLOOR
JALAN PERDANA 6/8, PANDAN PERDANA
55300 KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA

living else where.. this is in Selangor, looks decent.
http://www.tscservice.my/index.php?option=...id=14&Itemid=21

I almost forgot... here are some reviews on DOXA
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2005_06...2005_06_152.pdf
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2007_05...2007_05_066.pdf

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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Apr 4 2010, 11:13 PM)
hi guys,

phew finally,
Guess what, i'll let the pics talk  biggrin.gif
add extra poison for those wish to get Tag  cool2.gif

ohh yeah tag going to increase on 15/4 too~
So tempted to get the grand carrera with carbon fibre  sweat.gif thank god was control by my fren
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U just reminded me to check on the LVMH friends and Family sale that may start sometime this month. prices are usually 50% off retail with factory warranty.
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 4 2010, 07:29 PM)
thanks patryn for the links. really love the comparison between various divers.
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diver watch lover.. here are more reviews
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2005_01...2005_01_070.pdf
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2002_04...ers_watches.pdf


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for those looking for a auto PVD Tritium lights diver watch (500m) on Sellita SW200-1. (scratch and dent sale)
priced at UK$279 or RM$1377. shipping was UK$10.

http://www.christopherward.co.uk/nearly-ne.../nnc600ipk.html
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 5 2010, 12:46 AM)
the more i read, the more i tend to lean towards those small brands like halios, helson, doxa, deep blue.... looks like the the movements used are mostly miyota 8215 vs eta 2824. hmm....
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halios maybe like deep blue using swiss/jap movement but had it made in Hong Kong/China. some ppl don't like it as QC not as strict as Swiss.
getting a helson would be kinda owning another citizen isn't it? just case is different.

nice article on 2824 vs 8215
http://www.17jewel.com/two.html
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=275740


Added on April 5, 2010, 9:17 am
QUOTE(beguiler @ Apr 2 2010, 03:34 PM)
hehe i got this azimuth pvd-black sp-1 mecanique

whole BLACK series and 02X/200

i love this watch very much and is very very nice! ^^
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I just found this out on this brand.
http://www.1888pressrelease.com/azimuth-re...-pr-152339.html
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Azimuth, the brainchild of two Singaporean watch enthusiasts – Christopher Long and Alvin Lye - is one-of-a-kind end-to-end luxury watch manufacturer. It manages the entire mechanical timepiece production from research and development and manufacturing, to retailing, distribution and delivery worldwide. Azimuth is now shaking up the horological world with its avant-garde designs for luxury timepieces. Azimuth watches sport a variety of styles, from race car instrument panels to vintage military watch designs.

Azimuth’s four foundational pillars that guide its watchmaking philosophy are: avant-garde designs, mechanical complications, Swiss-made quality and competitive pricing. As of June 2009, Azimuth established its atelier in Bienne, Switzerland, to research, model and assemble its watches.


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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 5 2010, 07:09 PM)
patryn, i guess u r right. it's just like owning another citizen. wise choice would be to save up more money and get a proper swiss watch, right?
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for me if I am spending above US$300 I would like a swiss/Jap/Russian made with their own movement.
those brand u mentioned, I rather spend on MK2 or what.

was looking at some of the post on Christopher Ward watches, their 7750 is decorated with blue screws
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=309098
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someone here (waters) got a C8, hope he can give a review and experience with customs.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/825550/+180

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=238179
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QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 6 2010, 10:23 AM)
can't a japanese watch be proper?
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huh? I don't get u...
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QUOTE(Sniperwolf1987 @ Apr 6 2010, 04:42 PM)
then wat brands is in middle range ??? about swatch ??
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something like this?

http://www.europastar.com/europastar/magaz...t_id=1003545084
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 6 2010, 12:04 PM)
no prob jason. i have now enough money to get an american watch with swiss movement, but i think i'll save more money till i have enough to give me more options be it german or swiss.

independent watchmaker eh? a friend advised me otherwise. find a brand that has an AD here; easier when it comes to warranty issue and spare parts. do u have experience getting a watch u bought online and not available here in malaysia serviced or repaired here?
your friend bought from these independent online place? have experience with them?
ETA parts are plenty, not easy to break. if it broke within a week or so its QC issue, after that is your mishandling and will not be cover by warranty.
sure AD here is easier.. U just pay 2X-3X more to get the same work done. like Jason said the service is not necessary good.
I got to agree TAG sucks.
the watchmaker here I go to provide a far better service at servicing.


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QUOTE(spoon2272 @ Apr 6 2010, 03:31 PM)
guys any brand can recommend for me price range RM2k-RM3k?i prefer square face and leather strap  smile.gif
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louis erard , Epos
http://www.timepiecestore.com/catalog/loui..._la-carree.html
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http://www.watchseller.com/eporsqausidi.html
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Hamilton Jazzmasters
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 6 2010, 06:58 PM)
ok, understand. just as advised by patryn. the movement will not be a problem as it's a common engine. what about the parts like the glass/saphire, bezel, face, hands, etc? need to order online ourselves and have the watch fixed by our local repairmen?
sapphire crystal is easy to get replacement don't have to go thru AD.
Bezel, dial and hands.. if can broke at that level, U might as well go buy a new watch no need go fix it as the cost maybe as good as getting something new. or if they are worn off due to age, generally thats like over 40yrs to turn the dial ugly. if U are talking about relume.. those brands not using tritium they make U change the dial and hands and they cost a bomb! I recall doing my Tag's dial 5yrs ago and it cost me RM$400-500.
today also weak lume, I decide not to do it already waste of money.


Added on April 7, 2010, 8:22 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 7 2010, 07:11 AM)
i find that forumers/watch-enthusiasts really covet for these brands; stowa, sinn, mkII. why's that? are they really good? on par with the big names, like omega? do they heavily modify the movements?
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stowa, mkII don't mod their movement.
with Stowa, Jory is a Jeweler at heart... he was making yrs of rings, necklace etc b4 he started watch making.

U can't compare with brands like Omega that heavily mod their movement or have their inhouse movement. the prices are so different too
US$700 can get a auto watch from mkII ot Stowa.. with that $$ cannot even get a entry level quartz Omega, not even a preown speedmaster!

in fact today independent watchmaker are so many.esp those US design but swiss made. The competition is so stiff that UK base Swiss made Christopher Ward is giving 60 days return policy and 60 mths warranty even on their nearly new items!
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/nearly-new/nn-men.html

anyway for kicks found CW's interview
http://www.timezone.com/library/tzints/200711102239


Added on April 7, 2010, 8:33 am
QUOTE(eugenetwh @ Apr 6 2010, 08:53 PM)
any unique watch that stands out in a crowd??? range bout 15k? i mean RM... something other that that azimuth space pvd
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thats like US$4.5K
@Jason that kinda of money only can get preown Rolex man!!! cannot even dream of ALS. when eugenetwh said stand out from the crowd I believe its loud and ppl even don't know what can tell he is wearing something special. Not expensive but special.

IWC, most design not loud will not stand out from the crowd
- get a Doxa the orange face will stand out http://www.doxawatches.com/
- Omega OP - color sure ti stand out
http://www.authenticwatches.com/29095038.html
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- Kobold maybe....
http://www.koboldwatch.com/products/soarway-p-33.html
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- longines Retorgrade
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- Corum
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- branded Loud??? Bvlgari
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QUOTE(eugenetwh @ Apr 7 2010, 09:16 AM)
tot of seamaster b4,, thats planet ocean rite?? bt omega is like a "i-have-this-too" watch... that corum is sumthing... keep it coming. poison me~ btw, thx patryn33
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that omega super popular since its affordable? Graduation gift!!!!! 15K thing!!! wow!

or try
Zenith defy
http://www.collectorstime.com/zenith.php
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Girard-Perregaux Vintage 1945
http://www.thewatchery.com/Girard-Perregau...25830-0-11-3000
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Gérald Genta Arena Sport Retro
http://www.timeofswitzerland.com/Gerald-Genta-watches_e.cfm
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Glycine Airman
http://www.righttime.com/rt/glycine/3829.191-d.htm
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anonimo? case is design special.
http://www.anonimo.com/index.php
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Ernst benz?
http://www.ernstbenz.com/
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Graham Swordfish
http://www.interwatches.com/graham-swordfi...17a-k32b-p23342
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http://www.bernardwatch.com/watch/GRM49
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QUOTE(eugenetwh @ Apr 7 2010, 10:06 AM)
how much is that zenith defy??
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do click on the links to get the prices.

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