maybe possible the entry level ones if have discount else U need to add ~3K to the budget.
they are listed around US$5K in asia usually hard to get discount.




get pre own.
This at US$4130
http://visiotime.com.sg/index.php?page=ProductDetail&id=3697


or pre own Ferrari Scuderia Chronograph 45 mm by Panerai @ US$4340
http://visiotime.com.sg/index.php?page=ProductDetail&id=2684


This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 7 2010, 10:32 AM

some ppl go for something that kinda what.. can't help. confident to wearing something crazy wacky.

why so? whats so hard???
those pammy cult would go for a base model despite others feeling its over priced.
go for what U like whats hard..

not too far away, can find time to make a trip there.

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Added on April 7, 2010, 6:23 pmTW Steel are get pretty big... 45-48mm.
nando has given U lots of choices
are U looking for Chrono? I noticed TW Steel offer lots of chrono.
else are more to choose (those > 43mm) from if U get on gray market.
eg
Armand Nicolet S05 at 44mm
http://www.thewatchery.com/Armand_Nicolet/...60M-NR-P160NR4#


Hamilton lots to choose from usually at 44mm



Edox lots of model at 45mm
http://www.timepiecestore.com/catalog/8300...-men-watch.html


Alpina also offer a number at 45mm
http://www.timepiecestore.com/catalog/al-6...-men-watch.html


This is huge at 48mm
http://www.timepiecestore.com/catalog/al-5...-men-watch.html



Pammy homage by german company at 46.5mm
http://gnomonwatches.com/DievasVintage3646S.html


This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 7 2010, 06:39 PM

they are in fact within your budget.
oh.. didn't know u looking for clean dial TW Watch as they are mostly chrono and all chrono tend to cluttered the face.
I would think the Armand Nicolet /Alpina /Edox fits your perfectly. on the dial just 3hands and a date/day display.
Dievas is best just 2 hands can't get any cleaner than that!

Sinn??? not sure U can get it at your budget with 45mm size. iirc they have nothing beyond 44mm.
sinn U1 is within your budget but its 44mm, sinn 656 are small at 39mm, 657 is at 41mm also small
856 is also small at 40mm
http://www.watchbuys.com/store/pc/sinnwatches.asp
http://www.sinnwatches.com/products.php?cat=3

ORIS FLIGHT TIMER is small at 42mm, the chrono is very cluttered.
the diver below is at 44mm. else this ORIS TT1 DIVERS DATE is also at 44mm


This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 8 2010, 07:59 AM

clean dial.. 46mm... fits his budget very nicely. only thing is its base off 2836... mode the date/day thing for the GMT hand. cheap way of doing it.
http://www.authenticwatches.com/oris-swiss...YEk+index.html+


Ball vs Sinn? Sinn of course... even without the Diapal escapement the innovations put into the case is more value for money.
of course entry level Sinn u don;t find much tech in their Case for that.. maybe a Ball cause of light tubes
else for entry level sinn without fancy Case design I would go for a Guinand, since they did make those basic Sinn watches at 1 pt.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 8 2010, 08:18 AM

the subdial on the left is the seconds.
timezone also differ by the hour never by the minute. thats why they always have a hour hand.

u're right, thats only useful for places such as the below. otherwise most countries time diff is by the hour. the watch will come in handy esp u travel to India freq!
- Adelaide, South Australia, Australia +9.30hr
- Caracas, Venezuela -4.30hrs
- Chatham Islands, New Zealand +12.45hrs
- Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia +9.30hr
- Delhi, Delhi, India +5.30hr
- Esfahãn, Iran +3.5 or +4.5hrs
- Mumbai, Maharashtra, India +5.30hr
- Nãgpur, Maharashtra, India + 5.30hr
- Ludhiana, Punjab, India +5.30hr
- Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, India +5.30hr
- Kolkata, West Bengal, India +5.30hr
- Kãnpur, Uttar Pradesh, India +5.30hr
- Jaipur, Rajasthan, India +5.30hr
- Indore, Madhya Pradesh, India +5.30hr
- Patna, Bihar, India +5.30hr
- Surat, Gujarat, India +5.30hr
- Sri Jayawardenapura Kotte, Sri Lanka +5.30hr
- Lord Howe Island, Lord Howe Island, Australia +10.30hr
- Kingston, Norfolk Island +11.30hr
- Kathmandu, Nepal +5.45hr
- Kabul, Afghanistan +4.30hr
- Rasht, Iran +3.50hr or +4.50hr
- St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada +3.50hr
- Taiohae, Marquesas Islands, France -9.30hr
- Yangon, Myanmar +6.30hr

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Added on April 8, 2010, 6:11 pmBALL prices are really high today. dump the money into a Sinn.
Sinn U1 is nice and clean cost ~RM5.5k after discount I think. Sinn 857 cost a little more. somehow I like U1 better don't like the 2nd timezone look although its trad on pilot watches.

Jean Richard Bressel.. U don't get the high tech case design but a nice movement with pwr res.

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Added on April 8, 2010, 6:13 pmI like the design, but watch is too light even for the 46mm! felt like my 80grams Tag Heuer.

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Added on April 8, 2010, 6:20 pm10K for IWC is the most entry level such as the below. Sinn most of the watches in the collection are within reach.




This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 8 2010, 06:20 PM

pay cash bargain hard shouldn't be much of a problem. esp some of them are mid size 36mm, how many ppl today go for 36mm.. ladies? how many gals buy IWC.. have 10K some rather get a pre-own datejust.

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Added on April 9, 2010, 8:14 amOris Artelier Complication? my dad has the older half gold version maybe 15yr old. very light watch.

what do u like to know... iirc 20yrs ago its was as hot as Pammy today.

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Added on April 9, 2010, 8:23 amthe new movement is better. Read all about it here
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2001_05...2001_05_042.pdf

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Added on April 9, 2010, 8:54 amBall Mad Cow Hydrocarbon not all are constructed in titanium right?
as for special oil for -40C, not sure how often will one get to use it. I am living in mid west temps do drop -40C with withchill but temp on the watch is certainly not at -40C. I read on WUS/Timezone on some complex reason with heat equation. only way to get it at such temp is to leave the watch out in the cold. anyway for servicing definitely must go back to AD to get the oil.

the shock resistance, I had been googling hard a number of times. that high shock resistance is certainly not at GShock level. yet to see anyone swing their golf clubs using it without damage I think. read somewhere some one accidental gave it a hard knock on the rails and it got damaged. anyone know how much real shock can Ball take? eg drop from how many meters on what kind of floor and still running well..


This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 9 2010, 08:54 AM

as for 100m is water going into still water without movement. when U swim it adds additional pressure to the watch. or at 100m and U be moving around no guarantee the watch can take the pressure. thats why its recommend to take watches rated 100m to go for your swim in the pool iirc. how deep is the pool certainly no 10m.

U don't use chrono, but some joe here use it freq to time his fart or how fast he pee man.. I? don't really use it freq, besides timing the interval of my spouse last contradiction when she is giving birth, else its timing my every day shot of expresso from my machine.

anyway, I didn't say Ball lose or Sinn win.

anyway Sinn U1... according to here if info is correct
http://www.sinnwatches.com/proddetail.php?prod=si002


finally found something on shock. thats a +1 for ball for sure.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread....=198518&page=84

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Added on April 9, 2010, 10:09 am2nd hand value today not there unlike Pammy.
U can see from some online store.. prices are like the below (click on those links)
http://www.interwatches.com/graham-swordfi...17a-k32b-p23342
http://www.bernardwatch.com/Graham
http://www.collectorstime.com/other_EH.php#graham

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 9 2010, 10:20 AM

couldn't agree more... at the end of the day its your money, your life! the owner is happy is whats most impt.

don't wait wait and price kept increasing..
I waited for my JLC for like 10yrs+ b4 I make the kill.. when 1 1st saw it I could have bought in with most of my savings..
was only around 4K then for a basic reverso today its at 15K retail.
anyway now I own my reverso duo day-nite for a few yrs now.. if waited today its retailing at ~rm$25k

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 9 2010, 10:41 AM

U hope your income increase faster than those price increase.. else U may have a hard time getting your hands on it.
or just get a pre-own.

I did... quite a few.. but U need to know where. try WUS/Timezone/pmwf etc to check out if they are good dealers.
I am in States so its much easier for me to deal with these stores..
collectorstime.com is based in KL.. U could email them and arrange to meet and buy.

a fren in Sg recommend this place, check it out
http://www.ebronzeage.com/watches/category...exist_cat=Rolex

somehow good deal on collectorstime seem to go pretty fast.
ya prices of these item always go up.. U can only hope for weak dollar or EURO esp when u buying thru gray market.

stowa is in EURO isn't it.
singapore so near to U.. me need to fly 24hrs to get there.

@ck77, ya those B model are out A model still around. 1 thing is Miyota no hacking.
http://www.lacher-shop.de/e_shop/index.php...1c557798fcb4384

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Added on April 9, 2010, 11:00 amwhat to do..
since I am still here, spending here.. don't really bother me.
I still get cheap clothings
eg
banana republic chinos for US$20+, levis for US$25, 2 pair CK jeans for US$55
just got a pair cole hann shoes for US$30 where to find in Malaysia that cheap.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 9 2010, 11:01 AM

that is so true! I didn't think of that.. by that time maybe tons of cheap SW200 in the market.
so it was EUR$198 (inclusive of shipping?)

oh.. U giving me ideas.....

anyway Miytota 8215 maybe like last 10-15yrs without service like those cheap Seiko.
movement cost US$37.. servicing I thought pretty much cost the same with a ETA 2824?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 9 2010, 11:07 AM

oh... only EUR$166.. darn! thanx!
Stowa.. ya... I bought watch bands from Germany and they also include VAT. seem like many online biz does that.. really sucks!

have fun shopping.. Do share pics of your spoils!
those watch sponsors on the those forum (timezone/watchnet/pmwf/wus etc) also reliable places from what I read.
here is another online store selling Graham they are a sponsor on watchnet.
http://www.timeofswitzerland.com/Graham_e.cfm

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 9 2010, 11:17 AM