I couldn't agree more, best is check out pre-own dealers. eg passions.com.sg ebronzeage.com

however the above in Bold I don't really get it. u mean prices adjust down to boost sales?

when ppl talk about resale value cold only mean 2 things.
- selling it privately online thru WUS/timezone etc
- selling it thru these dealers. dealers wanna make $$ priced u sell to them definitely lower than whats listed.

Rolex is steady... Pam.. i doubt it... when US Econ is strong, preown pammy was sold higher than their retail prices by a good 5-15%! today preown are sold at 5-15% down from their retail prices. If the hype didn't hold up... resale value drop drop drop.

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Added on March 12, 2010, 11:59 amtrue! not a rolex fan... has the 2 tone prices sky rocketed?
rolex discontinued sea dweller replacing it with deepsea and prices went up very high for awhile almost immed. today not sure whats the deal out there.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 12 2010, 12:01 PM

pam hype already 10yrs? I still though more like 5-7yrs esp here in Asia its still fairly "young".
those homage didn't really appear until the last few yrs.

Stallone kinda discover it back in 1995 and slowly took off from there.
it wasn't hot back in 1999 here in this part of Asia. hard to really call out a yr I guess... hehehe


those nasty OP X and OP XI calibers are really expensive... hey its Pam.. u pay alot for the name!
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2009_03...2009_03_101.pdf

ya.. somehow more popular than datejust..

thinking out loud here
2008 retail prices after discount was ~rm$17
today list price ~rm$20.6k, AD giving at most 5% usually.
pre own D series (dated Jan 05-July 06) selling ~rm14.2K. darn strong resale.
http://www.watches.co.uk/watches/informati...serial-numbers/

anyway can adrian7386 found the non dated version at under 15k?
found this thread on current retail price. all in SGD.
http://www.sg-horologyclub.com/showthread.php?t=40&page=6

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 12 2010, 08:09 PM

most likely NOT if u are thinking of the date version!
today the full steel is already at ~rm$20.6k, to get at 15K U are looking at 25% discount, this model usually no discount or 5%.
get a pre own, wear 3-4 yrs maybe still can sell at the price u paid!
no date version submariner 14060M also unlikely.. unless u can get them to give U 15%.

ppl say what U care? don't understand the need to convince ppl its real.
its your life, your money.

get a trendy IWC Ingenieur Steel Chronograph. support your grey market and pay ~us$4.2K a preown also selling at ~us$3.8K.
http://www.collectorstime.com/iwc.php

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Added on March 13, 2010, 7:34 amPatek! how many ppl know its PP.. if they do they maybe asking the same qns too!

rolex submariner fans come from all ages... young chap in their late 20s to Ah Pek! there are always Gold/2 tone for those Ah Pek who wanna show off

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Added on March 13, 2010, 8:06 amBall Aviator - Auto ETA 2836-2 46mm 100m
Ball Officer - manual ETA 6498 46mm 100m

with ML are U thinking of the below? or the Pontos Petite Seconde which may cost more than those Balls..
ML Pontos - 40mm 50m cost is cheaper than the two Balls.



wanna dress watch budget concern go with ML.
else pretty much depends on what U like! can't decide flip a coin or something...

if i were u, I wouldn't take ML.. would choose a Longines Masters L2.666.4.51.8 , 42mm case with date and pwr res. just as dressy looking.
http://www.authenticwatches.com/longines-m...-l26664518.html
http://www.authenticwatches.com/longines-m...-l26664783.html


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 13 2010, 08:15 AM

didn't buy anything from them.
they are also a seller on ebay iirc.
i bet U can find alot of reviews about them on places like WUS/Timezone/watchnet/pmwf even ebay!!!
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tab=AllFeedback

thats right!

u gotta check this out! this Eberhard 8 Days pwr res pre own at 80% off retail! sgd$7755 then, now ~sgd$1551 or ~rm$3.7K!!! seller must hurt alot!
http://www.visiotime.com/index.php?page=Pr...tDetail&id=3718



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 13 2010, 10:03 AM

haha... I don't...
just into watches, subscribe magazines such as watchtime, iw magazine and buy books here and there..

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Added on March 13, 2010, 10:38 ami never buy any watches above US$600 on ebay
even b4 I buy I would message a few random buyers to check their reviews or post in those forums for insight.



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 13 2010, 10:38 AM

ya... that I got to agree.
or hit those watch sponsors on those forum.
eg
http://www.watchnet.com/sponsorspage/wnsponsors.htm

no one showing any love for designer watches.
fyi: these watches are made by Fossils, quartz model.. likely Japanese, mechanical would be Chinese.

here is SG AD list price. Econ bad, maybe can get more discount today
http://www.sg-horologyclub.com/showthread.php?t=40&page=6

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Added on March 14, 2010, 12:50 pmwhat do u mean can repair or not?
was it broke?
U should get someone to open it and remove the battery. if u are not going to wear it.

keeping a old battery there for yrs.. do have the risk of leaking..
old type battery alkaline ones usually leak potassium hydroxide.
Lithium type are better design don't less prone to leakage.

if the ETA quartz movement is damage, u maybe able to replace the entire movement.
electronic parts how to repair.. its like water damage on PC circuit board, how do U suggest fixing it?

an idea on the prices on ETA quartz.
http://www.ofrei.com/page200.html



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 14 2010, 12:50 PM

then I am utterly confuse, above BOLD... battery operated watch.. quartz.. electronic.. why would U worry about battery if its mechanical?
mechanical, automatic don't use battery, only a neat spring.

there are 300pcs limited edition out there today from swiss brands that have little value. 1000 pieces world wide LE don't really mean much, it only mean its Limited Edition. hehehe

This I gotta agree, Seiko started making quartz back in 1967. btw 1950-1969 there are electric watches. 20yr old watch. 1990 is way after the famous quartz crisis which was in 1970s. anyway.. 1990 I may have broke 2 Casio watches already.. LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_crisis

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Added on March 14, 2010, 8:13 pmswan neck regulator allows watchmaker to regulate in smaller increment. U would think it should get U a better rate. Then again, it depends on the watchmaker skill and his goal, if Co states +-5sec he may achieve it and call it good! To me swan neck is pretty and help good watchmaker adjusting the watch.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 14 2010, 08:36 PM

not sure if this is a right/easy place to sell your watch at a good price. Hope U can upgrade!

talk about limited edition... only 20pcs known to exist.

Italian heritage like Panerai - ANONIMO
known to crave the case out of a steel block, and leather treated to endure Sea Water up to 200m.

http://www.visiotime.com/index.php?page=Pr...tDetail&id=2137

cherapest start at around US$30K.. these days with US$30K can buy a house?

hey, U just say get a Richard Mile watch.. didn't state those 200-300K type..
if U are thinking of those.. PP, JLC, Zenith also have watches in that range not like RM is the only producer and the only way to get limited edition watches.

there are plenty of wealthy ppl... BNB in their peak has ppl ordering movements that cost > US$100k and still be on a wait list of a few yrs!

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Added on March 16, 2010, 7:14 am2mins every 7 days that ~17secs every 24hrs.
36hr pwr res thats norm with Seagull or hangzhou movement.
although a seiko5/Orient mechanical can do a better job.

I gotta agree those for the brand and looks, its certainly not bad. U are paying more the brand more than anything else.

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Added on March 16, 2010, 7:24 ammore bang for the buck, the above brands are good deals. guinand-watch.com also good value for $$.

one down side with Archimede no date display
http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Pilot-Chrono.htm

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 16 2010, 09:36 AM

Archimede? not much history.. just 80yrs in the industry. kinda like Laco, Stowa, Oris just buy case, decorate the rotor, regulate and assemble it.

Nomos Glashütte.. founded in 1990. very new among all these big names. has their own movement, in fact the 1st batch of inhouse movement watches were given free to the public to get them to test and report issues.
http://www.glashuette.com/index.php?id=25&L=1

ya Sinn is young but not as young as Nomos... est in 1961 by Helmut Sinn sold the biz in 1994. Helmut Sinn went on later to GUINAND.
Sinn also started off as a watch assembler, case, oil etc are do nothing to the movement, more like in the lines of Bell and Ross. only in 1995 went on do R&D in escapement.

Bell and Ross was founded in 1992, Sinn was "making" their watches until 2002.

GUINAND is also what U term as "watch assembler", didn't mod the movement just plated and decorated it. surprising they are found in 1865, and had been producing all Sinn watches up until 1994! **** Could it mean Guinand made some of Bell and Ross watches during 1992-1994 ??? ***

Guess, only brands which did some reasonable R&D in movement and have a decent history would interest U. TAG sure fits the bill. The Ball U were looking at uses a ETA 2836-2 unmod. ad shock resistance at 7500G some dude here also got his ball damage by Shock. Legal they are covered its shock resistance not shockproof!

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Added on March 17, 2010, 7:04 amhow much does the servicing cost? this model out for 4yrs already?

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Added on March 17, 2010, 7:11 amlimited budget wanted value for $$$, only can go with watch assembler..
go with brands like Hamilton, Mido, Oris, Ball, Titoni, Doxa they do have some history behind them as watch makers. Today they also just make the case. at times these case also bought it from far east. All they did decorate the rotor, regulate it and call it good. at times just get ETA movement and buy a add on for chrono or moonphase slap them together and name it their own movement.

have $$ then go for TAG, Breitling, Nomos, Pammy!

I find date and pwr res best combo!
would like to have a clean moonphase and a GMT watch some day...

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 17 2010, 10:07 AM

1st watch is Oris Artelier Complication Moonphase Mens Watch iirc retail ~rm$7K, AD discount ~25% or more.

2nd watch discountinued... maybe can find similar look at guinand for ~rm$4k.
http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...d=94&Itemid=256


for those who love day date + chrono + moon phase here is a "cheap" option for ~rm$4.8K



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 17 2010, 08:43 AM

Pammy heavily mod the 775X movement... 1000 pcs limited edition with that model, if bought 2-4 yrs ago.. no discount on these watches.
b4 getting their today brand recognition, I read somewhere those basic models are sold less than half their today's retail price.

by Guinand Info? its on their site.. wouldn't think Helmut Sinn (founder of Sinn) to be BSing..
http://www.guinand-watch.com/index.php?opt...&id=153&Itemid=


Accurate all depends on how well its regulated.. A Seiko mechanical can be "COSC" like accurate. even a Russian Poljot when its work well perform that well.

Just for kicks here are THE Top 10 Swiss Watch Markets, 2009

1 Hong Kong -19.7% (change from 08) @ CHF$2168 Million
2. USA -37.9% @ CHF$1470 Million
3 France - 14.4% @ CHF$969 Million
4. Itlay -13.9% @ CHF$900 Million
5. Germany -13% @ CHF$794 Million
6 Japan -33.5% @ CHF$768 Million
7 China -15.2% @ CHF$700 Million
8. Singapore -13.9% @ CHF$674 Million
9. UK -15.1% @ CHF$544 Million
10. UA Emirates -34.9% @ CHF$438 Million

surprisingly, the WatchTime Apr 2010 Article state that In China Vacheron Constantin sold 100 tourbillon in 2009 (VC only make 200 tourbillon a yr). Talk about RICH CHINESE! for those wondering how much these VC watches cost.. they can range anywhere btw US$100K to US$600K

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 17 2010, 11:27 AM

some useless info

Germany's "COSC" bureau ---- Glashutte Observatory (est in 2006)
- Like COSC watches are tested in 5 positions, 3 temp (23, 8 and 38 degrees) for 15days.
- Same timing req as COSC.
-Unlike COSC, which tests movement uncased, they tests the entire watch.

Casio Edifice? reliable! its made in Japan.. prices are high too.. not your regular cheap Casio.
btw: they don't use glass, its sapphire crystal.

more than 5yrs? U can always bring it to Casio to get it service.
iirc its 100m water resistance, if u do take it for a swim.. its better to get them service, cause they would replace rubber gaskets etc.

mechanically operated can't help man... even a Ferrari need service to keep in shape.

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Added on March 17, 2010, 6:44 pmThose good days.. when Ball is not renown and prices are so so LOW! Good buy!



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 17 2010, 06:44 PM