AD = authorize dealer. In their contract, they are required to buy X amount of watches from these brands and can only give limited controlled discount.

gray market dealers, they obtain watches thru AD. In this bad Econ, AD may go under and need to liquidate. There is no way to sell in such a short time, they will let go their items at a low price to these dealers without warranty. in other case, AD are carrying too much stock or need cash flow or some other reason. They also let it go cheap to these dealers.

I did tell U the quality of JR! u missed that in my post? JR is a sister company of the GREAT Girard-Perregaux.
guess U aren't familiar with Girard-Perregaux. Girard-Perregaux is up there with JLC/Patek/VC.. they make their own movements.

to quality swiss made at least 51% of the parts must be made in Switzerland, assembled in swiss and regulated and case in swiss. JR 1000 may have a higher percentage since they have access to Sowind group manufacturing facilities. rest assured u are not getting a watch with quality that is avg.

read all about "The man behind the brand Daniel jeanRichard"
http://www.watchtime.com/2010/01/the-man-b...el-jeanrichard/

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Added on February 22, 2010, 4:55 amrm500 cannot find sapphire crystal. only mineral crystal at least harder than glass or plastic.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 22 2010, 09:33 AM

I see... its a dress what.. day to day wear no issue reported from my sibling. since it limited office/shopping/bus/train rides
if u intend to go swim with the crocodile, wrestle a bear, climb Mt Everest, or go Army training with it.. for a dress watch its not tough at that level. otherwise daily usage no worries..

as for infamous (having a reputation of the worst kind ) I am not aware of it care to share? since its infamous don't get it...

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Added on February 22, 2010, 11:00 amtry watchuseek.com or watchnet.com

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 22 2010, 11:00 AM

hehehe....
an old 6497 or regular work horse 2824 are just reliable.
its very hard to find a unreliable swiss movement as long as no manufacture defects.
even a omega can go wrong if not handle well... just found someone reporting that his new omega is running 10mins faster in just 1-2 days of running. even an expensive JLC etc do have lemons at times. once its done right, no worries.

regular cleaning/oiling can be done outside cheaper.
do email collectortime, most gray dealers warranty card are unstamp. they may get an AD to stamp the card if so U get 2 yr warranty with JR (which is just like buying from AD!)

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Added on February 23, 2010, 9:18 am7 day power reserve, off sec and date.. paid over US$1K then maybe swiss. otherwise china.
U got to check with watchuseek chinese forum to get it ID.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 23 2010, 09:18 AM

sweet IWC Portuguese Automatic! must have cost u ~RM30K.

aren't u waiting on your STOWA as well?

99.9% of the online retailers.
KL do have 1.. collectorstime.com


the same model.. and below 26K... from AD?

your Bro had give the ans on a eariler post here.. its RM31.5k!

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Added on February 27, 2010, 9:22 pmThis? if so.. suggested retail is in USD.
http://www.luxist.com/2009/09/21/tag-heuer...n-watch-80-000/

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 27 2010, 09:22 PM

well, its not going to be at RM20K..
it a limited edition of 150, plus its made of platinum 170grams of it!!!! more expensive than Gold.
how many Gold watches out there ~rm$20K, and I am not talking about gold plated.
on top of that its inhouse movement.

1) no difference in terms of movement. iirc they using the same movement.
2) based off ETA 7750 should run +-5sec every 24hrs.
3) nothing on top of my head... if its a lemon and run out of specs u wouldn't be able to tell in the shop.

as for movement that run like that of an engine.. I think BRM do have a few.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 27 2010, 11:02 PM

Omega would cost more than a Tag for sure.

if U wanna get that kinda escapement that can allow a watch to run longer without service.
look for Sinn watches with Diapal. like Omega co-axle can run 8-10yrs b4 a service unlike regular tag.. u got to do it every 4-5yrs.

Zenith El Primero HW Chronograph MB (NIB) - is a good catch. its in steel but u can easily change it to a leather. in the further should U want to buy a steel bracelet (may it be Tag) they can cost easily above US$400.
http://www.collectorstime.com/new-watches.php

Jean Richard Paramount Chronograph (also on Collectorstime), iirc its on a inhouse movement JR1000 go back a few pages to read about it.

value for $$ try Guinand, still have $$ for another watch! on 7750, decorated with blue screws and its gold plated. read those WUS thread.
http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...d=63&Itemid=181
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.ph...ghlight=guinand
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=158528

Jean Richard if U were to get thru AD its priced along with TAG..
a Zenith is priced higher than a TAG.. maybe little higher than a Omega

Tag.. alots of marketing.. thus U do find alot of ppl going for it. for value, I would shy away from Tag.

Solvil et Titus‎ is swiss name but I think they were bought by HK group.. not all their watches carry a Swiss movement.

issue of Guinand , they make ordering hard.. but its worth the wait and go thru the pain. some say they are making case for Sinn.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 28 2010, 12:28 AM

U only need to take it in every 4-5yrs. for a mechanical Tag ~$200 and usually takes about 1-2week.
a quartz is every 3yrs, cost ~$30 and its a 30min job!

1) Longines is Tag's competitor.
2) Luminox ok... most watches are quartz. wouldn't rate it high along with Longines/Tag

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Added on February 28, 2010, 9:26 pm

Unitas? 6498/6497 they are not automatic all manual wind.
swiss movement and U want pwr reserve, i believe all the options are listed a few pages back. Thing is none of them are in PVD case in nando's 3K budget. if your budget is higher than his, there are of course 1-2 around.

its extremely hard to find chrono+pwr reserve combo watches.
when U say prefer are they optional options?
as for aviator are u looking for onion crown?

eg: Swiss Army Victorinox Airboss Mach 6 Power Gauge Limited Edition.
both chrono+pwr reserve+PVD+45mm case. cost wise ~US$4K
http://www.swissarmy.com/Timepieces/Pages/...&product=241308
Zenith will have it but u know the cost. its should be more than US$14K.
http://www.thewatchery.com/Zenith/Watches/...efy_Xtreme/Mens
Graham Swordfish PVD
Pam and Bell & Ross, U'll definitely find it.

not looking for complications.
Archimede Black Pilot: good value priced under EUR$450.
http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Pilot-family.htm
Fortis, its PVD with day date, but 42mm case and no pwr reserve.
http://www.worldlux.com/cgi-bin/navigate.c...froogle_sponsor
Aristo PVD Pilot
Zeno (found a chrono+pwr reserve+date) don't have PVD, 44mm case, day.
http://www.zeno-watch.ch/en/watches.html

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 1 2010, 09:23 AM

neat collection.
Chinese tourbillon maybe.. Swiss/German maybe unlikely.
Its extremely hard to regulate. most of these tourbillon are non-hacking too.

back to watch winder.. if u are lazy to set the time everytime and your watch is accurate to a certain degree by all means go get it.
if your watch is gaining/losing 15sec every 24hrs. letting it sit on the winder after 2 weeks your watch would have gained/slowed by 3.5mins.
are to the kind to readjust if thats the case? if U are doing that, no pt getting a winder.

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Added on March 1, 2010, 9:18 amwant a Day-date try Tutima Flieger Chronograph F3, its on Lemania cal 5100. iirc many collectors out there love to own a chrono on this movement as it pretty rare.
http://www.watchseller.com/tutfliegchro.html

check this post out
http://www.chronomaddox.com/nouvelle_lemania_5100.html


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 1 2010, 09:18 AM

something like this feels like swatch?


this perhaps. Its a Chrono, Pwr reserve, date, black, 46.5mm, water resistance to 1000m issue here no display back and no day display.
cost b4 discount ~$20K


not all Zenith El Primero are crazy.. Defy Xtreme series are crazy/funky looking. Design wise U find more ppl loving swatch design vs Zenith.
price wise.. can buy 100 to 300 swatches to 1 Zenith Defy Xtreme. Its also non plastic.. extremely heavy.

well, Chrono + pwr reserve.. not too much if 1 get the swiss army.. ~US$3K

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Added on March 1, 2010, 7:47 pmno idea whats the retail. I think its close to the Swiss Army watch.
after discount on gray market is going for ~US$2700.
http://www.swissmade.com/en/web/index.php?...o_power_reserve




This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 1 2010, 07:47 PM

true...

how about these? swatch? no swatch?

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Added on March 2, 2010, 8:16 amya, thru AD its hard us$3k+ is possible.
chrono+pwr res+day+date... not possible.

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Added on March 2, 2010, 8:18 ampossible!! get the datejust collection. men's no gold.. ladies maybe diamond markers.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 2 2010, 08:18 AM

something like these? if omega can get ~25% discount 10K is possible.

I like this post!
ya.. that Ball Aviator may become lonely...

Swiss Army is on Sopord mod 7750, on the usual ETA 7750. quality should be better.
Swiss Army brand really sound cheap.. anyway thats their target market else how to find chrono+date+pwr res under US$4k.

seem like u have a thing with Oris and Ball. which brands do u have a thing for?
Oris kinda lost my love, when I learn they operate like Hamilton. to keep cost down, many things are imported from the far east.
price wise somehow I wouldn't pay 10K for a chrono that runs on ETA 7750.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 2 2010, 07:55 PM

@6.5K either get Jean Richard or add more ### and get the omega co-axial!!!!!!
get Oris + Ball both end up entry level, double the cost of servicing.
check around, hope this yr increase didn't happen yet.

haha... Zenith... manufacture.. I will tell U, I like anything that is manufacture!!!! always eyeing on the next inhouse movement. not that inhouse is always better. but so far swiss/German inhouse movement did perform better (when its done right)
El Primero is a famous movement too, was in Rolex Daytona for a number of yrs. Today in Tag's most expensive chrono on the market.
Zenith didn't really win the Chrono race, its complex.. there is long article on watchtime.com on it.

in fact many manual wind manufacture are fun to watch.
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2003_06...2003_06_042.pdf

not the kind that would pay unmod movement at a premium price if i can find something not so branded ( or known by everyday ppl) with the same inside and design I like. don't even care if no one notice what I am wearing.

Sinn makes good watches. alot of technology going into making a watch.

in fact VC do allow U to walk into the swiss office and design a complete watch to your liking.. so long U are willing to part with US$100K and up.
they will even make extra parts for future repairs or servicing.

somehow Longines is under appreciated in this part of the world. Read Longines CEO interview, Longines is big in Europe (esp France).

love those PVD watches, some models listed with retail price.
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2008_05/WT_0508_162.pdf

a nice but old article on affordable complications.
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2005_03...2005_03_104.pdf

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Added on March 3, 2010, 8:16 amso much diamonds and still US$1995! thats cheap!
unlike the prev posted.. min starts around US$6K and still no diamonds.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 3 2010, 08:16 AM