Hmmm.... interesting posts....

I'm just gonna keep it short since there's like.... a few lenghty elaborated posts before me. Constructing another wall of essay is gonna frustrate those tl;dr guys.

t3q, is good to have you voicing your opinion in this forum. Afterall, by definition, "forum" is suppose to be a discussion site where everybody share their thoughts.

However, teq, you're taking things a lil' too far. Instead of posting up your over-passionate ideas filled full with emotions, you could just keep cool and state why Promod is a superior choice. Backing up your views with logic helps a lot... you know, instead of saying that perk sucks and stuff. I think you can come up with better points than that.

Cheers,
I love fat chicks

yes i believe so.

lol. did i? xD

As long there are more tourneys coming up, the community will not die. so keep it with a good work to increase the population cod4.

This post has been edited by sawakita9: Dec 4 2008, 12:22 AM

Yes, as Brian / crash/ death said,
promod, pam4, zombiemod, gaymod, or watever bsmod,
we will still play.

We are trying hard to make the merger.
We dont want CoD4 to die like it did in other countries.
Look at Australia, people already moved to CoD5 like so fast.
Look at Cs, its dying because it is too boring.
We need diversity.

Ok, if u really wana help us, tequila,
I think u should help us by organizing a promod tournament together WITH us or watever.
Dont u think we will listen?
Do u really think we will just say its stupid or blablabla...?
We are all adults.

This post has been edited by FFF.10: Dec 4 2008, 12:42 AM

Don't know if is related or not but still I gonna say it out. =/

When you promote to people to play PROMOD more, who you target? You telling the same person over and over again? That just doesn't help. Eventually you need a bunch of freshies who know nuts about CoD4 to have some "fun" that you mentioned, slowly turning them into competitive play or even professional gamer. Do enlighten me if there's any professional gamer who plays game for their living, AROUND S.E.A cause I don't see any. The most successful team I ever seen is most probably Bf.Nut, being sponsored by SingTel, which is what I've heard since years ago when they are still in BF2 days.

You still need people to support your idea of playing the PROMOD, ONLY if there's a demand. But from what I see, there isn't such demand, besides FsN. Don't drag Singapore, just talk about Malaysia alone. I only see 1/10 CoD4 gamer asked for PROMOD than PAM4. Maybe Malaysia suck, maybe Malaysia just like to do stuff in their own ways. Maybe Malaysian are this slow to adapt international level. But why not YOU, as a Malaysian join and support the local community ruleset? I don't know what you think, but as a Malaysian who doesn't even give a tiny little bit of support to own community, sounds pathetic to me.

I hope you understand that, when there's demanding, there's supplying. Sad case is that not much of people demanding for PROMOD, that's why you only see not many server running under PROMOD. I have no personally issues about PROMOD. I don't mind about playing PROMOD, PAM4, or <insertyourmodhere>. Heck I'd play zombie mod if there's company hosting such event. I don't mind to give it a try. But when local community tried it, not much of them liked PROMOD, that's why they want to stick with PAM4.

Back the the topic, just wondering how do you calculate the points, and how many points for champion, 1st and 2nd runners? And how do you acknowledge the event as part of the calculation point thingy? Any particular requirement need to meet? Minimum team joining, etc.. Maybe king_kong is right that we should concentrate on one particular game before bringing in so many games. A beta testing period?

but bro cc full of dota

The only game S.E.A is really successful at is DotA. Call them Dotards or whatever but as far as I'm concerned, they're the only ones doing a great job promoting e-Sports in our country and proving that Asians can be competitive as well.

I witnessed the growth of the DotA scene in Malaysia with my own eyes.

I was a DotA player once and I can tell you, the competitive scene in Malaysia those days were so small you'd only find a few proper teams to scrim with.

Then slowly, international tournaments hosted by MYM and such appeared which allowed Asian teams to join and try to compete with the world's best. The competitive scene was really heating up and many new teams were formed.

So my question is this, do you know what inspires people to work hard and play the game so well to achieve glory and God knows whatelse?

Competition.

Right now things are heating up in our country. Alot of teams are being formed here and there and so are tournaments.

But believe me when I say one day, you're all going to get bored of playing with each other. Because no matter how much you play, you're just the best in Malaysia. Does it matter?

It's just a matter of time before people abandon this game due to the lack of competition. Even reigning champions would get bored of winning the same thing over and over.

People strive to become the best in the world. New challenges. Zenith and Kingsurf proved to the world that we are not people to look down upon. Pity for them their final wasn't on stage.

And who says there are no pro-gaming teams around S.E.A? Do you know Fnatic signed up XcN's (Indonesian) Dota team?

With the vast number of teams Malaysia has, why don't we actually help the INTERNATIONAL CoD4 scene (Not the LOCAL scene), which is apparently dying, by providing them with more support. I thought SKOTH4 would've been a great start but sadly, it is canceled.

Then again, it's up to the Malaysian community to decide what they want best. Who am I to speak

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Dec 4 2008, 02:45 AM

To be the best in Malaysia. Story ends here. Happy?

Dude... if I have all the time in the world then I wouldve joined.

Well, you might see dota grow with your own eyes, but why did it grow? It grew because Blizzard maintains support for community development and the people behind Dota itself gave a lot of attention to the game.

Despite not being a stock level game - which is a requirement in WCG and WGT, Dota's popularity is built upon Warcraft 3's popularity as well. But do you really think we can reach that level in 10 months, when dota has been around for almost 5 years?

Companies wont even put sights on games that havent even matured yet, why should they? You need a stable community to maintain the games in major events, while smaller companies such as New Era/ Cyber Cafe's put effort in maintaining the game outside these events by doing smaller tournaments (the build up will be a positive effect to events such as WCG/WGT, as the players and teams continously have something to look forward to before the major event)

Also, No one actually said we weren't helping the International CoD4 scene. Why do you think me and my team went down to be marshals and server admins for their tournaments? Why did we help them run their competitions? Besides that, if you are really in touch with those behind the scenes in singapore, we talk alot about supporting each other promod or no, we always go down if they have any tournies and we always invite them if we have any tournies open to them. Its a simple solution to our problems. It is unfortunate that SKOTH was cancelled due to some server circumstances, but it wasnt because of the participants.

I know how the regional teams are doing, most of them are dying because they have nothing to look forward to in COD4. We have got to change that. In time, hopefully soon, i will be in talks with some companies on having a regional competition for COD4 to boost and maintain teams.

I have so far done what i say i would do, why dont the promod supporters even trust me, i dont really know.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I don't trust you but it's just the fact is, other countries are moving on to COD5 and the competition for COD4 internationally isn't strong anymore.

We on the other hand are just playing among ourselves, among Malaysians. If PAM4 is recognized, even if it's just around S.E.A, I would definitely play it. But it's the fact that only we, and maybe a few other countries, are playing it. I fear that we will never get a chance to prove ourselves internationally in COD4.

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Dec 4 2008, 05:09 AM

yeah agree with strayfah
by the time our ruleset is finalized and lets say we are ruleset leador for S.E.A, i dun think many ppl will still be playing cod4 except malaysia. like he said its too late to prove msian internationally.
so wuts gonna happen next? play msia tourney till cod 6 i guess.

This debate is getting boring. We're seeing the same crap over and over again. The same points being bandied around. =/

Some of us are under the illusion that there's international fame just around the corner. I think firstly we need a firm grasp on reality here. The chance of playing an international level opponent (Even at 1.6 level) comes around only once a year, maybe twice if you're very, very lucky/good. The WCG games are in a different level than what we're used to in terms of skill level, funding, and corporate support. For a game (Say, 1.6 or war3) to have international support firstly requires the parent company to really push the game to the WCG/WGT committee (and when I said 'push', I meant 'give away cash'). CoD4 is stagnant because the publisher of the game (Oh, don't want to mention names here but ACTIVISION) couldn't give two poops about pushing it further. They would rather push the next game in their inventory once the quota/profit target for the first game has been reached. Of course, this makes perfect sense in terms of running a business. Who could blame them? However, it's companies like Blizzard that have value-added services for many years post-release (Re: Starcraft) that really make the game and the community really shine.

Sure, some of us say we're moving way too slow. Sure, some of us say the changes are coming on way too quick. Whatever your views are, please keep in mind that not everything is guaranteed to play out in real life as it does in your head. You want to fight for a place to be immortalized on tek9 cinema? Go ahead. You want to play fnatic or dignitas (Well, maybe not dignitas, eh? =P) annually? Train hard for it. Just don't blame us when it doesn't happen because it's not always our fault, your fault or anybody elses fault. Businesses do have a higher calling sometimes. =)

EDIT: MAI ENGLEESH SUX

EDIT2: Believe me when I say: If those things were available to us (WCG INT CoD4 or WGT INT CoD4) I would be the first in line competing for a place there. I'm neither defeatist or cynical, merely realistic.

EDIT3: To Strayfah: How do you propose to prove yourself internationally in CoD4 when there aren't any international tournaments at all for it? I'm still hoping that WCG/WGT next year does pick it up, though. =)

This post has been edited by Grr: Dec 4 2008, 10:26 AM

see the difference between activision and other game makers like blizzard.
How long did blizzard supported 'Starcraft?'
How long did endless strings of patches came out?
How long did they waited and developed the sequel 'Starcraft 2?'

How long did it take activision to come out with a new sequel?
9months?
Are they gona shut down CoD4 and let it rot?

I'd still say CoD5 is just cod2 with perks and tanks! =0
Still cool but they couldve done more!

semua salah cod5!!!

yeah, probably i can blame to codwaw. most of cod4 player move to codwaw like sg.

ah, very good arguements from all parties. good to see many young debaters.

OOT, i'd like to tell you about my experience in Sabah 2 years back when i was told that STARSHIP TROOPERS, yea, the game based on the movie, was a popular game in cafes over there.

was it believable? sounds hard to believe but i did see it with my own eyes. i saw about a dozen players playing STARSHIP TROPPERS, the multiplayer portion, in a cafe. players were screaming and shouting and laughing like in any FPS shooter. i can't remember which cafe was it but it was a rather notable cafe. also, i only saw it 4 months after i was told about it. so to see with my own eyes, 4 months later, was surprising.

strange, even one of the cafes wanted to do a tournament but it was too weird at that time.

anyhow, nothing happened and the game died. what happened after? people played other games, there are so many games to play out there!

so lessons to be learnt from my experience:
all games are fun. y so serious?

anyway, sorry for my old man 'monologue', back to the topic.

again, when most of were at the very first meeting at Damansara nearly 6 months ago, i aimed to make tournaments more fun and exciting for everyone to play, i followed the majority and the majority went to perks which later realised itself to PAM4. PERKS, are a feature in CoD4 that made it stand out from other games. no PERKS, no CoD4. and so PERKS are here to stay until the time comes for a change and that change will be a majority change.

n i also saw the rise of DotA into competitive gaming... i implemented the save game rule every hour because there were so many arguements in Global Net 5 years ago. i had to stand my ground and order a rematch because of disconnections, nearly one hour into the game.

like it or not, competitive / pro-gaming has another 10 more years to go. with the CPL and CGS closing down, it's a sign there was a flaw in the model and i believed is this: cyber gaming isn't spectator friendly.

it also boils down to the sportsmanship of players. although i condone swearing but i do it responsibly (families are excluded).

teq: i still have your proposal, haven't had the right time to look at it, soon i shall.

so finally i'd like to say: stick to PAM4 for the time being. keep it consistent and then review the changes. you don't see FIA changing main rules too often, only before the beginning of the season and everyone shuts up and accepts them.



This post has been edited by king_kong: Dec 4 2008, 02:14 PM

well said king kong .... just wait n c ....

flame wars are so damn ridiculous....anybody can just say all the shits in the world =P. LOL

PS: Ill go with any mod btw PAM4 and PROMOD FTW. Both mod has their ups and downs. Both mods are being used in EUROPE and AMERICA =D wakakakak

like my principle.....Whatever ruleset the community throws we JZ WHACK ONLY!