Im working on an idea that has been on my mind for ages.

Have you heard of the Davis Cup? A tennis competition comprising of multiple events, where each win from events will add to the total score of a team. Something CGS took into their system.

But i want to do it a little lighter because it is hard to find 12 people to play under the same flag in 6 different games.

That is why my idea will be a Cybercafe based cup, where 8 chosen cybercafes will compete in 6 different events, across 3 platforms, 1 FPS, 1 RTS, 1 Sport.

Why 8?
Firstly, i want to have cybercafes have at least a leveled head when dealing with their competitors. 8 would seem fair so long as the cybercafes are willing to contribute equally to the prize money, venue and purpose of the event. All 8 cybercafes will act as "stadiums" where teams face off their opponents, Home and Away style.

This system will be very long, having need 7 weeks to complete 1 meet (all 8 teams are in 1 group, similar to a football league). This league will have teams representing each type of game in 6 events, with their standard events counted as 1. (e.g COD4 5v5 is considered 1 event, RA3 1v1 is considered 1 event and FIFA2009 1v1 is considered 1 event.) 3 other events may include RA3 2v2, FIFA09 2vs2 or side events for COD4, such as sniper events etc etc.

When the league ends, the winning team will then carry home a cup, to be placed in their "home" with their team name/players etched on the plaque with the year of their win.

What will you make of this? hmm?

Benefits to the industry :
i) Promoting games is always good for the community, industry and individuals that are involved.
ii) Promoting different genre's at the same time could boost a Cybercafe's revenue, by promoting their locations, services and games.
iii) Since all participating cafes require to have the same software (the games at least), this would be beneficial to gamers out there that may not be able to find a game in their area. A cybercafe that participates from that area may benefit from newer prospects/customers.
iv) Legitamacy of software is an issue, but since the number of games in this cup is limited, it may in fact help those companies by setting a requirement of having legit licenses in order to join this cup.
v) Promoting multiple genres in a team may in fact bring gamers closer together, adding new players to their rosters and eventually venturing into newer games. This will hopefully create a higher quality competitive squad of players which are supportive of each other beyond their own game. uniting the local gaming industry may in fact be beneficial to cybercafes, gaming companies and equipment distributors as they now have a larger and more visible target market.

Just to name a few.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Dec 9 2008, 08:31 AM

Good idea. Hope to hear more from the public
But its my SPM year. That suks!
Its a big event for 2009

Since the fall of cgs it really hurt most of us who are from counter strike source well that is why are shifting from cs source to cod4 .......... so the winner only takes the cup home and no prizes o.o ?

haha, ofcoz got la, remember that all participating CC's generally need to "sponsor" something lar.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Dec 1 2008, 03:08 PM

thats the hard part?
economic crisis goin on O___o

That awesome!
Death? Shouldnt we be using international rule sets for CoD4 in order to "tarik" the sponsors?
I'm talking about bigger companies like the DotA tournaments get?
Talking about possibilities!

Actually, the biggest reason why you don't seem to get much prizes or many competitions is because the Malaysian government does not support gaming per say. The Cyber athlete is NOT recognized in Malaysia as a sportsman.

There are no such things as standard rule sets. The rest of the world is divided over a common rule set, so technically unless there is a standard ISO 9000 standard like CS:Source or such, i guess there is not such thing.

yea... that too! =)
but still it would make a difference rite?
but still like DotA competitions are getting more publicity!
It came out in STAR newspaper and so on...


This post has been edited by FFF.10: Dec 2 2008, 08:57 AM

DotA has a lot of prizes of money simply because it's sponsored by SMM. SMM is a Malaysian company that supply Blizzard games in Malaysia and have affiliated with Blizzard, so they don't sponsored other game that developed and published by Blizzard. With that affiliation, of course they have a lot of money from themselves and additional money form Blizzard to support any tournament that only has Blizzard name behind the game. It is simply because of that.

DotA more popularity because more people playing it, and to remind, it is quite an old game. COD4 not even 1 year age in Malaysia, now the population of COD4 is increasing. If there's a lot of COD4 gamers in Malaysia, any sponsor would interested in sponsoring any tournament of COD4.

i wud say the same as well.. unless new-era goes into the venture like SMM then it wud be interesting lol~ ^^

p.s i saw king kong's face in teh paperz~~ ^^

Instead of looking for profit why not do for the community ? to make cod4 become more larger o.o ? ^^v

good idea death, but personally i think it's best to focus on CoD4 for now.

even if you finalise the games, most cafes cannot fulfill enough teams for each of the games. for example, using CoD4, DotA and FiFa08:

CoD4, DotA and FiFa08
cafe A: Y N Y
cafe B: N Y Y
cafe C: N Y N

i believe most cafes will only fall under cafe C, since DotA is so popular. as for FiFa, only a handful of their good players are affiliated with cyber cafes and if they really are, the whole clan is under 1 cafe.

i strongly suggest focusing on CoD4.

also, i hear this talk about international rules. unless most of the international tournaments adopt THE SAME RULESET, then there is no international rule to follow as yet.

why be followers when you can be the leader?

Play CoD4 as a sport. Not just a game.

You want to make the ministry see that its not child's play. That this is a serious sport/game. Where players are willing to compete at the highest standard there is.

If you want to see match servers and scrims online daily. Please adopt Promod. Go competitive, keep the competitive community alive not through fun but the will to compete. Humans have the shortest amount of attention spans. You can't keep players coming for more if it is just fun and money. These kind of players NEVER make it far.

Please don't spoil the essence of Tactical Team Based Shooters. The introduction of perks and hard points is fun for public play. Then again the fresh crowd of players who could make frags even with the minimal amount of skill don't know that they are playing into IW's hands.

They talk trash, act like Mr.Know-It-All and Mr.So-What. If they had the least amount of decency and respect for the term competitive gaming. They wouldn't be stuck at this level.

Please, I urge this community to grow up and stop fiddling with PAM4. If you are not going to take gaming as a sport don't call yourself a competitive gamer. If "FUN" is all you are looking for you can stop playing around with the mods and just play the game as it is. Otherwise don't be a hypocrite and claim you know what the community wants.

Its not easy to explain. But this is how the mind of a competitive gamer thinks. To play is to lose, learn and win from your past experience. I have not learned anything important by playing regular CoD4. Because it is too "FUN".

Do everyone a big favor and not waste more time. We need to form this "competitive" community base ASAP. Right now all I see are clans that claim they are. Don't joke with me. I hardly see matches and servers every night except the mix scrim in JEDI server.

Competitive gaming is not for people who want to have fun playing. Period. That's the bottom line.

I expect to be flamed now. Be nice boys.

"You can't jump, If you ain't got ground to stand on."

This post has been edited by t3quila: Dec 3 2008, 06:46 PM

Quoted by tequila:I hardly see matches and servers every night except the mix scrim in JEDI server.

Mix scrim in JEDI server. And who do they play with? Their community? How many teams do they have in SG? I hardly see lots of players playing at the server except for the same old people over and over again. And of course, teams from other countries once in a blue moon.

From what king_kong said,"why be followers when you can be the leader?". The goal is to lead not to to follow everything because you think "Promod is the way to go because the entire world is following it,by doing so, we'll compete in higher standards because everyone is following it". By the way, SKOTH4 was closed because "there wasn't enough teams". There's your SG community. They don't have enough teams and need players from the world to join in to make it successful. Do you want the same thing to happen here?

Quoted by tequila:Please don't spoil the essence of Tactical Team Based Shooters. The introduction of perks and hard points is fun for public play.

Don't spoil the essence of Tactical Team Based Shooter? It's not being spoiled. It was never spoiled. Promod just simplified it. And the ruleset now also requires thinking on possibilities on what might the opponent be using their perks.

Quoted by tequila:They talk trash, act like Mr.Know-It-All and Mr.So-What. If they had the least amount of decency and respect for the term competitive gaming. They wouldn't be stuck at this level.

Look who's talking. I'm sorry teq but you're acting as one as well. Stuck as this level? From what I can see,a lot of teams are improving.

Quoted by tequila:If you are not going to take gaming as a sport don't call yourself a competitive gamer. If "FUN" is all you are looking for you can stop playing around with the mods and just play the game as it is. Otherwise don't be a hypocrite and claim you know what the community wants.

Not everyone calls themselves competitive gamers. Competitive gaming does not mean following the entire world as well. Don't be a hypocrite and claim you know what the community wants? You do know there'd be a meeting once in a blue moon to ask what they want? Why don't you go there when there is one and ASK who wants Promod?

Quoted by tequila:To play is to lose, learn and win from your past experience. I have not learned anything important by playing regular CoD4.

I agree with the first sentence. But are you sure you haven't learn anything important? From what I played on both mods, I've learned a lot on both of it.

I'll just stop here for now.

This post has been edited by Mr.Pikachu: Dec 3 2008, 07:20 PM

1. Not enough servers. Not players. We on the other hand have NO promod servers besides FsN's.

2. If you are going to complicate competitive play then be my guest. Promod was to simplify yes but also to restore the best of what competitive CoD was. Tell me HOW are you going to keep a community of competitive gamers together from CoD4 to CoD6 if there wasn't such a mod.

3. Teams aren't improving fast enough. I don't expect it to be in one month. But not this slow since the first tournament in Malaysia.

4. Well they DON'T know what they want either. A monkey with the most persuasive screech calls for a vote and you expect all the other monkeys to know what to vote for? Please the last rule discussion I went to failed. The scene will get more competitive in time yes but how long will that be? So many adjustments will be made you'd just end up having something like promod anyway.

5. Aiming down the sight, stratnading, wallbanging, fake planting/defusing can be counted as fundamentals. Nothing else matters really because the other game modes are just pointless. It may be IMPORTANT to you. But to me it can be dismissed. Regular SnD CoD4 with perks has like nearly no bomb plants at all. It looks like TDM to me.

Do I have to say more?

Hmm.... define "competitive"

OK dude... first of all,
We DO call ourselves COMPETITIVE gamers.
Not PROFESSIONAL GAMERS.

The reason behind it?
well, most of us cannot commit!
if u really think gaming is LIFE then please go ahead with all these stuffs and all.
Don't call me a sadist or pessimist because this is Malaysia and for now, gaming is only at a competitive gaming level.
Not at professional-getting-paid-money level.
Most of us are studying and working.

We are trying to make it happen.

Gaming for me comes only 3rd after my education and family.
Yes, this is what i chose and it is my personal endeavor and also my personal commitment problems.

I hope u understand this. Try thinking from another person's point of view.


MAYBE just MAYBE we cod4 community and the Msian gamers community are not just ready yet for this.

I personally have no problem with promod or pam4 or watever bullshit.
If theres a tournament and if i got no commitment issues(no exams) then i will join n play.
Hurm..... what about u? If u question us about our "willingness" to commit to CoD4.... what about u?
I didnt even see u play for WGT.
Well that was quite a big event.

I play games for fun. Not for a living. Thats not just possible YET in Malaysia.



Can u please just for a second think about what we are tryna do?
We are taking it slowly.
CoD4 is NEW(just only reached 1st anniversary).
Do u see CS PRO players getting up and going in like within a year after the game was just out?
What about DotA?
What about FIFA?

Dont be ignorant and assume that whatever u say is correct.

You think money drops from the sky meh?

Why organizers dont go for the minority.
i) no money to gain
ii) no reputation
iii) imagine i put my investment in you and all you do is be an aggressive nut and complain about everything. What do you think the image of your sponsors will be?
iv) everything we have we built together, the entire community. Whenever they think we go to promod, we will. But i honestly think the method you choose to use to push it is in high disregard to what the world is coming to. See what happened to CGS. "it was ahead of its time" they said, you wanna know why it failed? THe people behind it had no experience in what they were showing off, they were not gamers. Gamers helped, sure, but did you actually watch the show, what did you learn from the show aside from seeing people cheer and a few snippits from the game?
v) Gamers have too much high regard for each other or themselves that they ignore what you need to run an industry. If all the companies involved just pumped in money and only the gamers gain from it, what do they get? Money doesnt drop from the sky, there will eventually be a need to earn revenue to cover the cost. The companies that DO gain have their own revenue are usually companies not directly related to the industry, such as Microsoft, Google, Adidas/Nike. They dont need us to make money for them, therefore they can easily sponsor an event or two just to show their support. We dont have that here, that is why we need to first build the community.
vi) You may think you're pro, honestly, the way you put things seems to disregard everything but yourself. Yes you mentioned the rest of the community getting "pro". But what does that mean? DOes it mean the community will stay? More competitions will exist to feed them? Will teams keep getting the opportunity to win and earn money? WILL THEY HAVE A FUTURE. What happens after gaming? Are they going to give up education just to be a "pro" then at 28 have no where else to go?
vii) Competitive gaming is still in its early stages here and gamers are still "immature". Im not mister know it all, but seeing what transpires in the forums, you can see they lack the maturity to succeed in what they want to achieve. One of the few teams that i noticed to have a mature mentality is probably RnF. Their leader understands what all of this means, yet still knows what is really important to begin with. Even within my team, not all of us are "mature".
viii) the MOds dont matter, seriously. You can use PAM, Promod, dumbmod, zombie mod for all i care to turn it into a competition. A competition = competitive play. Even Left4Dead might see it into a side event in WCG. Why isnt there a PROMOD for that? Does it matter? Play what the organizers give you, they pay you. If you want to be part of something like that, then organize your own? Its that simple. If you had the money, all you do is offer it. If i offered RM50k for a knife match in COD4 and opened it internationally and for 128 players, do you think people will join? If i do it yearly, will they complain? How bout i put some hot chiqs as promoters, will more people come? Will i have more people spectating the event, getting interested in the game and then in the end, join promod?

Sigh. This wasnt even the point of the thread. The worse is, you had the guts to bring stuff like this up against our sponsor's rep, which in my opinion is the dumbest move ever. New Era has been a staunch supporter of our community, everyone knows it. Where have you been?

Wow. This is simply amazing, i can see issues with the points written right here on this page.

1. Not enough servers? I wonder why. Common sense will tell you that demand will create supply. If the interest was there why are there not enough servers for ProMod?

2. You mean all competitive games are meant to be simple? I mean seriously, if you cannot tune yourself to fighting in an environment where the enemy has an advantage in an area you have, it's obvious you're not adaptive enough. So, my enemy has juggernaut. That probably means he has less damage to throw at me. Play it by ear.

3. Team aren't improving fast enough? Oh dear. I'm sorry. I'll implant cyberchips to make them learn faster. Maybe we can draw upon 10 years of former CoD gamers to help teach them. Just like CS.

4. Well, if you think it failed, which is SUBJECTIVE. I think you failed to make any worthwhile points as well which is ALSO SUBJECTIVE. Since we all have really important opinions right now like all of the above points I guess it means it's your opinion against ours.

5. Who made you the expert on gaming? Who made you the benchmark for all shoot them up games? Did you design them? Did you win the world championship for CoD on earth and Mars? No seriously. If you were number one in Asia WITH a team i actually knew for CoD i would take your words into consideration. Right now, the ONLY 2 people i seem to know is Alvin and YOU from FSN. And he doesn't say anything. Whereas, you seem to be highly vocal about something only YOUR team seems to be doing. I just don't understand it. It's like being the cat in a kennel full of dogs.

You want us to do it your way and you start telling us that we're know it alls. Well Mr know it all. I guess you're right, because the way I look at it. I've gamed WAY longer that you have. I was playing AND winning gaming tournaments BEFORE the year 2000 and played in other genres as well. What is it that makes you so special that your words are more important than mine? Whenever we meet up you're all sweet and nice but online you turn into some raving psychopath whose only truth is the one he's spouting.

Be nice and I might start listening.

hmm
so teq is trying to say that playing around wif perks and game modes is not competitive and slows down teams to "that" level?
perks=fun, no perks=competitive?