This debate is getting boring. We're seeing the same crap over and over again. The same points being bandied around. =/

Some of us are under the illusion that there's international fame just around the corner. I think firstly we need a firm grasp on reality here. The chance of playing an international level opponent (Even at 1.6 level) comes around only once a year, maybe twice if you're very, very lucky/good. The WCG games are in a different level than what we're used to in terms of skill level, funding, and corporate support. For a game (Say, 1.6 or war3) to have international support firstly requires the parent company to really push the game to the WCG/WGT committee (and when I said 'push', I meant 'give away cash'). CoD4 is stagnant because the publisher of the game (Oh, don't want to mention names here but ACTIVISION) couldn't give two poops about pushing it further. They would rather push the next game in their inventory once the quota/profit target for the first game has been reached. Of course, this makes perfect sense in terms of running a business. Who could blame them? However, it's companies like Blizzard that have value-added services for many years post-release (Re: Starcraft) that really make the game and the community really shine.

Sure, some of us say we're moving way too slow. Sure, some of us say the changes are coming on way too quick. Whatever your views are, please keep in mind that not everything is guaranteed to play out in real life as it does in your head. You want to fight for a place to be immortalized on tek9 cinema? Go ahead. You want to play fnatic or dignitas (Well, maybe not dignitas, eh? =P) annually? Train hard for it. Just don't blame us when it doesn't happen because it's not always our fault, your fault or anybody elses fault. Businesses do have a higher calling sometimes. =)

EDIT: MAI ENGLEESH SUX

EDIT2: Believe me when I say: If those things were available to us (WCG INT CoD4 or WGT INT CoD4) I would be the first in line competing for a place there. I'm neither defeatist or cynical, merely realistic.

EDIT3: To Strayfah: How do you propose to prove yourself internationally in CoD4 when there aren't any international tournaments at all for it? I'm still hoping that WCG/WGT next year does pick it up, though. =)

This post has been edited by Grr: Dec 4 2008, 10:26 AM

Yeah, k. Forward to me too. =D

ABC, I think there were quite a few things you weren't aware of about the planning for the future of the CoD4 community in Malaysia here. Yes, perhaps we were "stubborn" before, but clearly the time is ripe for change now. Switching over too early would have seen too many of the newer teams drop out and we would have been left with an ever-growing divide of skill between the top teams and newer teams. This way, when we do switch, it will be done with the consensus of the majority rather than a select few. While I don't believe in the purity of the democratic process, I do believe this is the only way to guarantee the participation of the majority in the future. Of course, if you had noticed, in this whole discussion, there weren't many posts defending our local ruleset. This doesn't mean that the community hates the local ruleset but rather is mature enough to notice the deficiencies there.

Mama, I think this debate was important enough not to be done through PMs. The community needs to know about the information revealed here. Yes, it's off topic, but important nonetheless. =) You are right about the both sides being passionate about what and why they believe. I suppose the mods will split the thread if they see fit.

And finally, yes, we desperately need some sort of global unifying mod and a ruleset. Not just for us, but for the CoD4 community all over the world to grow even further. I do believe this game still has quite a bit of undeveloped potential. =)

This post has been edited by Grr: Dec 8 2008, 02:17 PM