Im working on an idea that has been on my mind for ages.

Have you heard of the Davis Cup? A tennis competition comprising of multiple events, where each win from events will add to the total score of a team. Something CGS took into their system.

But i want to do it a little lighter because it is hard to find 12 people to play under the same flag in 6 different games.

That is why my idea will be a Cybercafe based cup, where 8 chosen cybercafes will compete in 6 different events, across 3 platforms, 1 FPS, 1 RTS, 1 Sport.

Why 8?
Firstly, i want to have cybercafes have at least a leveled head when dealing with their competitors. 8 would seem fair so long as the cybercafes are willing to contribute equally to the prize money, venue and purpose of the event. All 8 cybercafes will act as "stadiums" where teams face off their opponents, Home and Away style.

This system will be very long, having need 7 weeks to complete 1 meet (all 8 teams are in 1 group, similar to a football league). This league will have teams representing each type of game in 6 events, with their standard events counted as 1. (e.g COD4 5v5 is considered 1 event, RA3 1v1 is considered 1 event and FIFA2009 1v1 is considered 1 event.) 3 other events may include RA3 2v2, FIFA09 2vs2 or side events for COD4, such as sniper events etc etc.

When the league ends, the winning team will then carry home a cup, to be placed in their "home" with their team name/players etched on the plaque with the year of their win.

What will you make of this? hmm?

Benefits to the industry :
i) Promoting games is always good for the community, industry and individuals that are involved.
ii) Promoting different genre's at the same time could boost a Cybercafe's revenue, by promoting their locations, services and games.
iii) Since all participating cafes require to have the same software (the games at least), this would be beneficial to gamers out there that may not be able to find a game in their area. A cybercafe that participates from that area may benefit from newer prospects/customers.
iv) Legitamacy of software is an issue, but since the number of games in this cup is limited, it may in fact help those companies by setting a requirement of having legit licenses in order to join this cup.
v) Promoting multiple genres in a team may in fact bring gamers closer together, adding new players to their rosters and eventually venturing into newer games. This will hopefully create a higher quality competitive squad of players which are supportive of each other beyond their own game. uniting the local gaming industry may in fact be beneficial to cybercafes, gaming companies and equipment distributors as they now have a larger and more visible target market.

Just to name a few.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Dec 9 2008, 08:31 AM

haha, ofcoz got la, remember that all participating CC's generally need to "sponsor" something lar.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Dec 1 2008, 03:08 PM

You think money drops from the sky meh?

Why organizers dont go for the minority.
i) no money to gain
ii) no reputation
iii) imagine i put my investment in you and all you do is be an aggressive nut and complain about everything. What do you think the image of your sponsors will be?
iv) everything we have we built together, the entire community. Whenever they think we go to promod, we will. But i honestly think the method you choose to use to push it is in high disregard to what the world is coming to. See what happened to CGS. "it was ahead of its time" they said, you wanna know why it failed? THe people behind it had no experience in what they were showing off, they were not gamers. Gamers helped, sure, but did you actually watch the show, what did you learn from the show aside from seeing people cheer and a few snippits from the game?
v) Gamers have too much high regard for each other or themselves that they ignore what you need to run an industry. If all the companies involved just pumped in money and only the gamers gain from it, what do they get? Money doesnt drop from the sky, there will eventually be a need to earn revenue to cover the cost. The companies that DO gain have their own revenue are usually companies not directly related to the industry, such as Microsoft, Google, Adidas/Nike. They dont need us to make money for them, therefore they can easily sponsor an event or two just to show their support. We dont have that here, that is why we need to first build the community.
vi) You may think you're pro, honestly, the way you put things seems to disregard everything but yourself. Yes you mentioned the rest of the community getting "pro". But what does that mean? DOes it mean the community will stay? More competitions will exist to feed them? Will teams keep getting the opportunity to win and earn money? WILL THEY HAVE A FUTURE. What happens after gaming? Are they going to give up education just to be a "pro" then at 28 have no where else to go?
vii) Competitive gaming is still in its early stages here and gamers are still "immature". Im not mister know it all, but seeing what transpires in the forums, you can see they lack the maturity to succeed in what they want to achieve. One of the few teams that i noticed to have a mature mentality is probably RnF. Their leader understands what all of this means, yet still knows what is really important to begin with. Even within my team, not all of us are "mature".
viii) the MOds dont matter, seriously. You can use PAM, Promod, dumbmod, zombie mod for all i care to turn it into a competition. A competition = competitive play. Even Left4Dead might see it into a side event in WCG. Why isnt there a PROMOD for that? Does it matter? Play what the organizers give you, they pay you. If you want to be part of something like that, then organize your own? Its that simple. If you had the money, all you do is offer it. If i offered RM50k for a knife match in COD4 and opened it internationally and for 128 players, do you think people will join? If i do it yearly, will they complain? How bout i put some hot chiqs as promoters, will more people come? Will i have more people spectating the event, getting interested in the game and then in the end, join promod?

Sigh. This wasnt even the point of the thread. The worse is, you had the guts to bring stuff like this up against our sponsor's rep, which in my opinion is the dumbest move ever. New Era has been a staunch supporter of our community, everyone knows it. Where have you been?

yes i believe so.

Well, you might see dota grow with your own eyes, but why did it grow? It grew because Blizzard maintains support for community development and the people behind Dota itself gave a lot of attention to the game.

Despite not being a stock level game - which is a requirement in WCG and WGT, Dota's popularity is built upon Warcraft 3's popularity as well. But do you really think we can reach that level in 10 months, when dota has been around for almost 5 years?

Companies wont even put sights on games that havent even matured yet, why should they? You need a stable community to maintain the games in major events, while smaller companies such as New Era/ Cyber Cafe's put effort in maintaining the game outside these events by doing smaller tournaments (the build up will be a positive effect to events such as WCG/WGT, as the players and teams continously have something to look forward to before the major event)

Also, No one actually said we weren't helping the International CoD4 scene. Why do you think me and my team went down to be marshals and server admins for their tournaments? Why did we help them run their competitions? Besides that, if you are really in touch with those behind the scenes in singapore, we talk alot about supporting each other promod or no, we always go down if they have any tournies and we always invite them if we have any tournies open to them. Its a simple solution to our problems. It is unfortunate that SKOTH was cancelled due to some server circumstances, but it wasnt because of the participants.

I know how the regional teams are doing, most of them are dying because they have nothing to look forward to in COD4. We have got to change that. In time, hopefully soon, i will be in talks with some companies on having a regional competition for COD4 to boost and maintain teams.

I have so far done what i say i would do, why dont the promod supporters even trust me, i dont really know.

Paid indeed. 3 months late and peas.

If i was there for the pay, i wouldnt have taken it up. 5 bucks an hour i'd rather work as a waiter.

Anyhow, the MOD doesnt matter, because now, there are 3 communities, if you hadn't noticed. 1. PAM, 2. Promod, 3. DAMN:MW.

1. PAM's been replaced with a new modder, bulletworm, while its original modder is working on CoDTv. (CsTV for COD, or so it seems)
2. Promod's modder, raf1 has left COD4's scene to focus more on CoD5 leaving promod to its own. Despite having a final release, we may see the communities in EU/NA drift from promod to DAMN:MW.
3. Because of this Team Dignitas Manager "Morg" joins up with DAMN:MW's creator to further his own version of a competitive mod. Because it came out so late, most EU/NA players are still stuck between the two.

The only real way to solve this issue is to approach them directly, if they cannot put the effort of pushing their mod for a more prominent event which is recognized worldwide, such as WCG or WGT this situation will continue and escalate till it kills COD4. Their local/regional e-sports regiments are still not enough to keep them standing. As much as we would like to beat them at their game, it will be impossible until they figure out what they want over there. And im not talking about it being a side events. If they can push for it being a major event or a grand final, we as the SEA community can easily band our resources together to attempt to be a part of that, regardless of which mod is chosen. Organizers will mostly be happy they have a standard after that anyway.

Imagine having to change your gameplay everytime some moron decides say "im leaving cod4 to mod cod5, kthxbai" and his "partner" joins some other modder to make "pokemonmod" which he brings his followers like a flock of sheep over, thoroughly splitting the community again. Next thing you know, you'll have 10000 mods, with 100 competitions that have no links what so ever, Call of Duty 4 : Modders Warfare.

The main reason i somehow stick to pam is because it hasnt changed much. Yeah, we use a different ruleset, our own configs per say, but its not like we're not going to port over. If they can't keep their heads together, im not following their footsteps.

Anyway, CGS is dead. lol

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Added on December 7, 2008, 1:16 pmsigh, please go to wormsworld.net join the forum and see what PAM actually stands for before you make comments like that plx.
there is no YOUR pam and MY pam. Pam4 is a mod, not a ruleset. In order to be officially part of the PAM4 ruleset system, you need a league the size of a minimum of 24 teams with an active website up 24/7. If you have, you can apply to include your ruleset into the PAM4 system. PAM4 currently has more than 76 rulesets in total.

Promod was created to limit the amount of rulesets, having reduced the total number of rulesets down to 6 if im not mistaken out of the 56 originally in PAM4. While doing so, they combined the 56 rulesets taking out the best of each and finally coming up with solutions to implement as a competitive mod. That is why you'll see weapon changes and performance boosts in promod.

Both Promod and PAM4 goals are nearly the same, to create a unified mod for leagues/tournaments and competitive play where ever possible.

DAMN:MW was the first competitive mod ever created for COD4 but never really took off. DAMN initially had the same goals as the mods above, but its now taking a whole new direction with the help of Morg.

So who're you going to follow?

This post has been edited by crashtec: Dec 7 2008, 01:16 PM

I want to make this very clear with you. I don't know about brainwashing, but whatever choice the malaysian community made, was their own. In the end, only a select few will be interested in going pro/porting over to new games/mods. The level of competition increases whenever these teams make a choice to improve further. That is why there are levels planned for such porting. From the amatuer to pro, it should be a step by step process. This way, COD4 as a whole still can maintain a community even though there are some amatuer teams and some pro teams. So long as they exist as one whole entity, it will be easier to get participants. The ruleset was created to promote the game locally, so long as the game exists in the background.

It is planned to be something like this : Malaysian Ruleset -> Regional Ruleset -> Most Popular International Ruleset. If the Regional Ruleset is the same as the most popular ruleset, then it will be chosen for higher level players.

This way, you'll have a steady number of participants but at different levels of tournaments. Weaker teams will not be as likely to leave the scene, while the stronger teams have a chance to improve with higher level tournaments/leagues. Why do you think we have an Amatuer League now? Do you think we're that short sighted?

I hope not, because it reflects on your own personality. You come to this forum throwing aggresive comments in a facade of "opinions" then justifying them later when you piss someone off?

It is estimated that in 6 months we would have a steady 16 Amatuer Teams and perhaps 8 Pro Teams. As time goes by, with continued effort, this number will slowly grow to the extent that participation will no longer be an issue, since there will always be entree level teams that will likely push forward into competitive play. These numbers are the optimum to continue without external participation. This way, teams can have a choice of scrim locally and internationally, rather than be forced to find teams to scrim with online.

You do not grasp the concept of community building, that is perhaps why you don't understand what im talking about. If you're here to teach, you should be eager to learn as well. I'm not saying i know everything, i admit i learned a lot when i was over in singapore but haven't you learned anything from our community? Instead of laughing and giggling like the girl you are, ever ask why our community still grows despite our "shitty" ruleset?

They get information on a need-to-know basis. Too much information may just confuse them more. I've announced this many times throughout the year already anyway.

No one is spreading lies, they are merely defending their ideals, like what you're doing. This is barely even in the right thread for all of this crap.

Hmm, the main reason why i proposed 8 is because there are currently about that number of cybercafe's that are sponsoring teams. So, i dont want to leave them out if they are interested.

yeah, if we look at what we all said before, its quite entertaining.

haha, doesnt matter la, i think we all will have settled this by next weekend