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Multiplayer ESPGL Cup - Yay Renamed, Scheduled for Mid 2009

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Sanction
post Dec 2 2008, 02:08 AM

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Actually, the biggest reason why you don't seem to get much prizes or many competitions is because the Malaysian government does not support gaming per say. The Cyber athlete is NOT recognized in Malaysia as a sportsman.

There are no such things as standard rule sets. The rest of the world is divided over a common rule set, so technically unless there is a standard ISO 9000 standard like CS:Source or such, i guess there is not such thing.
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post Dec 3 2008, 10:53 PM

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Wow. This is simply amazing, i can see issues with the points written right here on this page.

1. Not enough servers? I wonder why. Common sense will tell you that demand will create supply. If the interest was there why are there not enough servers for ProMod?

2. You mean all competitive games are meant to be simple? I mean seriously, if you cannot tune yourself to fighting in an environment where the enemy has an advantage in an area you have, it's obvious you're not adaptive enough. So, my enemy has juggernaut. That probably means he has less damage to throw at me. Play it by ear.

3. Team aren't improving fast enough? Oh dear. I'm sorry. I'll implant cyberchips to make them learn faster. Maybe we can draw upon 10 years of former CoD gamers to help teach them. Just like CS.

4. Well, if you think it failed, which is SUBJECTIVE. I think you failed to make any worthwhile points as well which is ALSO SUBJECTIVE. Since we all have really important opinions right now like all of the above points I guess it means it's your opinion against ours.

5. Who made you the expert on gaming? Who made you the benchmark for all shoot them up games? Did you design them? Did you win the world championship for CoD on earth and Mars? No seriously. If you were number one in Asia WITH a team i actually knew for CoD i would take your words into consideration. Right now, the ONLY 2 people i seem to know is Alvin and YOU from FSN. And he doesn't say anything. Whereas, you seem to be highly vocal about something only YOUR team seems to be doing. I just don't understand it. It's like being the cat in a kennel full of dogs.

You want us to do it your way and you start telling us that we're know it alls. Well Mr know it all. I guess you're right, because the way I look at it. I've gamed WAY longer that you have. I was playing AND winning gaming tournaments BEFORE the year 2000 and played in other genres as well. What is it that makes you so special that your words are more important than mine? Whenever we meet up you're all sweet and nice but online you turn into some raving psychopath whose only truth is the one he's spouting.

Be nice and I might start listening.
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post Dec 8 2008, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Grr @ Dec 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
ABC, I think there were quite a few things you weren't aware of about the planning for the future of the CoD4 community in Malaysia here. Yes, perhaps we were "stubborn" before, but clearly the time is ripe for change now. Switching over too early would have seen too many of the newer teams drop out and we would have been left with an ever-growing divide of skill between the top teams and newer teams. This way, when we do switch, it will be done with the consensus of the majority rather than a select few. While I don't believe in the purity of the democratic process, I do believe this is the only way to guarantee the participation of the majority in the future. Of course, if you had noticed, in this whole discussion, there weren't many posts defending our local ruleset. This doesn't mean that the community hates the local ruleset but rather is mature enough to notice the deficiencies there.

Mama, I think this debate was important enough not to be done through PMs. The community needs to know about the information revealed here. Yes, it's off topic, but important nonetheless. =) You are right about the both sides being passionate about what and why they believe. I suppose the mods will split the thread if they see fit.

And finally, yes, we desperately need some sort of global unifying mod and a ruleset. Not just for us, but for the CoD4 community all over the world to grow even further. I do believe this game still has quite a bit of undeveloped potential. =)
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I agree with the unifying ruleset and it doesn't matter WHAT is it. With sufficient numbers you could create a mod with bananas for knives and supersoakers for guns and you'd still have a playable mod. It IS kind of saddening that people who did not understand the working model behind what a lot of the leaders here were trying to do and fought against it. We were talking about it a few nights ago and came to the conclusion that we couldn't make the decision ourselves because there were too many factors involved. So, in a way the meeting on the 20th is to clear up everything in preparation for 2009.

And yes, sometimes, you have to hide information on a need to know basis. Reason? I've met enough people to know and read enough in this forum that people with only half the information will run off spouting their mouth thinking its the god absolute truth. I don't pretend to know any of the government policies of any of the neighbouring countries on Gaming (I'm Malaysian btw). I don't profess to know the general behaviour and I've kept from using blanket statements unless they happen to be true (e.g Every Malaysian grew up surrounded by piracy in one form or the other.) I mean seriously, i'm sure you've told part of a story to a friend and your friend runs off to tell everyone that it is the gospel truth. Better not to mention anything at all and let the ones who are interested in doing, do and those who just want to talk, talk.

Cheers
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Added on December 8, 2008, 9:48 pmWait, i just realised. Did Snapper just call us liars? This is REALLY good for international relations.


Added on December 8, 2008, 9:51 pmI also just realised he bowed out of the conversation just as he realised he couldn't justify any of his comments because they weren't thought through in the first place. And don't use that, I'm leaving now because i'm more mature than you line. It's old. If you can't justify your words except with not understanding how something works, don't pretend to know what others are thinking. None of us said our way was the right way. But you're assuming we are, and you are SAYING that you're smarter better faster. So please Snapper, please don't come in here, sling insults, and think you're all the better because of it. You don't sound harsh. In fact you just sound like a guy who doesn't have all his facts who wants to come in and seem like he knows what he's talking about. I don't know you personally, but your online image really sucks right now. =) Oh wait, you probably don't care because you're on the other side of a screen.

This post has been edited by Sanction: Dec 8 2008, 09:54 PM

 

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