I usually get my quail meat from Jusco...it's sold frozen. But it's a bit pricey (about RM5 for 2 birds only), so it's not a staple for Scottie. I've heard that some wet markets sell quail too, but it's not as easy to find compared to other meat, so I only feed quail whenever I can find it.

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Added on November 30, 2009, 12:31 amI have a Min. Schnauzer, so I think his size is similar to your Poodle's size...for lamb bones, I don't feed it to Scottie. It's best not to feed the weight-bearing bones of the big animals (which is the leg bones of animals like cows, sheep, goat, deer, etc) because they are too hard, and will cause the teeth to break. Whenever I can find lamb, it's usually the lamb shoulder cuts, so I take away the bone and just feed boneless to Scottie. His source of bone comes from chicken, duck, turkey, quail and fish (but mostly chicken, duck and fish).

This post has been edited by Rayne: Nov 30 2009, 12:31 AM

Do you defrost the food before handing them to your pets? Wouldn't defrosting cause bacteria to attack the raw food?

Yes, I do kind of defrost the food for Scottie...what I do is the day before, I take the food out from the freezer and put it in the fridge overnight. When it's feeding time (usually in the evening), I just take it out from the fridge and feed it. I don't really see any problems if there are any bacteria attacking the food...dogs' tummies are quite hardy compared to ours. That's why you can see some dogs foraging through rubbish, or eating contaminated food and still be quite unharmed.

audrey, how u feed bone to ur dogs? I mean normally I will bought chicken neck for my girl... but it really took hard work for me to cut it into pieces o.0 is there anywhere that sell those chicken necks that already in pieces? its been a month I only fed autumn with raw meat without bones as I'm busy preparing my exam n no time to cut the neck bones... trying to find the easier way to feed her bone now as I had finish my exam

Err..I don't feed bone just because I have to feed bone Because I buy whole chickens to keep, I just whack it to pieces and let Scottie eat. Whichever parts have bone, he will have bone for that meal. Sometimes it's boneless meals. The bones that I feed are usually enveloped in a lot of meat, and I feel that Scottie doesn't need that much bone..once he gets too much, his poop gets very crumbly. I used to feed him chicken necks too, but often times the neck is attached to part of the chicken, and not just the neck itself (coz if feed only the neck, it's more bone than meat actually. Same goes for wings).

I think if you want to feed meat with bones, maybe just buy chicken breasts or keels (if you don't want to buy whole chickens), and cut it into smaller pieces for Autumn. Since she's quite small, the breast bones will not be that hard for her to eat, and it's quite enveloped in meat to give her a good workout also

Thanks Audrey. Yeah, i think bones from chicken, duck etc should be sufficient for them. For fish, how do you feed scottie? only the fish meat? is fish bones safe? normally u will feed him with salmon? i thot i hrd from someone that seafood not very good for dogs. dats y until now don really dare to feed them with seafood. is it true ah?


hello muchan86. normally u can ask the butcher to cut into smaller pieces. dats wat my mum and I do. we'l inform the butcher dat it's a for smaller dogs and ask them to cut into smaller pieces. but u may need to choose those 'not so busy' stall to ask them for such service.

Shoulder cuts? Is it those shoulder chops found frozen at supermarkets? Jusco at wangsa maju no quail..... I saw at Hock Choon but forgot the price and I think it was expensive so I didn't get. I also saw rabbit meat but also expensive. Sigh.....

Turkey bone can give? I thought quite hard. So far my smaller dogs never take any other bones accept chicken. Only my big dogs I let them chew on leg bones but my dad and I watch closely to make sure they don't crack and swallow. I love the way they lick out the marrow.

Usually I will feed sardines to Scottie...they are about the only time I can feed Scottie whole. I feed it as is (without de-boning). Scottie has not had problems with it...the fish are usually not that big, and the bones are enveloped with meat, so he just chew chew for a while and swallow. Err, I have not heard about seafood not being good for dogs though...but then, fish is only the kind of 'seafood' I feed to Scottie. I only feed fish that are known to have good amounts of O3s, and not other kinds of fish

Yup, the lamb cuts I usually get are the frozen shoulder cuts. I have on occasion seen quail at the Jusco in Midvalley or Cheras Selatan, but I haven't been to Wangsa Maju, so not too sure about that. Where did you see rabbit being sold? Was thinking of introducing that to Scottie before, but I haven't found it sold nearby my place

Usually the bones from turkey that I could find are from drumsticks or wings. I've fed wings to Scottie before with no problems. He crunched through them like chicken... The turkey drumsticks sometimes are cut to pieces...if I feed they are not too sharp, i would just give it to Scottie, but if not...I just remove it. No biggie

Thanks Audrey! Now i have more options of food to feed my gals

oh btw, for vege, besides blending, any other option of preparing for them? and is garlic powder ok for them?

Haha, I feed the Prey Model, so I didn't feed any fruits or veggies to Scottie, except as occasional treats But my partner does veggie blends, and from what I can see, she just blends everything into a pulp. Because dogs can't digest the cellulose walls in fruits and veggies, the only way they can get the most out of it is to eat them already blended.

If you feel it's too mar fan to blend, we do sell just the veggie blend (hehe...promote promote a bit ). Click on my siggy (Nature's Way) to check it out

I have fed garlic before to Scottie, but it's not very often...I would try to feed most things raw if possible, because I feel that garlic powder might have other additives inside. Except when I'm baking for Scottie...SOMETIMES I would add a teensy bit of garlic powder just to get the smell out. When I used normal garlic to bake, it didn't smell as strong. Haha!

This post has been edited by Rayne: Nov 30 2009, 10:34 PM

It has come to our attention that one established commercial pet food company is addressing BARF in their Myths and Facts page. We don't know how many more are doing the same though.
This shows that (and in our opinion) raw feeding is catching up in this region and it is impactful enough to their business that they are doing something about it. Bashing/ bad-mouthing something without proof is something not nice to do la.

We wish to highlight them right here.

The following are excepts from a prominent commercial pet food company which has 5 food brands in Malaysia,
P***** O*E, P***** P*O P**N, P***** F***Y F***T, P***** A**O, P***** FR**K**S

Myth 5: BARF (Raw Food) is better than dry food
Fact 5:

Raw food diets
• Usually are not complete and balanced
• Risk of infection and contamination-Salmonella is very dangerous to both pets and humans and can be found in the stools of pets.
• Bones can get stuck in your pets mouth

Our comment: I wish to state here that there is no proof/facts/studies to support this as they have done with their Myth No. 7.

Myth 6: Cooking destroys enzymes and nutrients
Fact 6: Cooking is beneficial.
Cooking:

• Changes the digestibility of nutrients
• Alters structure of amino acids
• Breaks down non-nutritional factors to increase digestibility
• Kills bacteria and parasites

Dogs manufacture their own enzymes needed to digest food and utilize nutrients like protein. Also manufacturers of high quality pet foods maintain safety margins built into formulations. Any nutritional loss in PRO PLAN® during cooking and storage is accounted for and will always be added back to ensure high quality in our pet food.

Our comment: What is the purpose of destroying the naturally occuring nutrients and later adding them back later in the process? To make sure the food is able to be kept for 24-36 months?


Myth 7: Corn causes allergies
Fact 7:
10 different studies, representing 253 dogs
Roundebush, Guilford , Shanely(2000) Adverse Reactions to Food, Small Animal Clinic Nutrition (4th edition)

• Beef, dairy products and wheat account for 65% of all reported cases of food allergies
• Chicken, egg, lamb and soy account for 25% of all reported cases of food allergies
• Only 6 confirmed (2.4%) cases of allergies to corn

Our comment: Representing 253 dogs, ONLY? I think one single pet shop has supplied food to more dogs in a month. I rest my case.

Sourced from: http://www.p*****.com.my/DogCare/caredog_article2.html

This post has been edited by teddycuddlybear: Dec 18 2009, 05:28 PM

hello everyone...i'm thinking of introducing barf to my dogs at home...one of my dog a mongrel she is always having itchyness...probably she's allergic to certain food thats what the vet say...
can u guys teach me how to switch her diet?do i gradually add to her food and reduce the old food portion??or do i just serve them straight..
will she like the taste?what if she refuse to eat?

Hi there! Well, for me I just switch Scottie straight away. Meaning today's meal is kibble...tomorrow is full raw He took to it very well, and had no problems at all It's best to switch cold turkey, because mixing kibbles and raw is not that feasible.

In the beginning of a raw meal, your dog might not be used to it. When Scottie had his first meal, he looked at me like I just gave him some weird thing to eat, but after he chewed on it, he liked it and we never looked back since then If your dog hasn't gotten used to eating, you could cut lines into the meat to make it easier for her to bite onto the meat and tear it off Some people also use strong smelling food like cheese to make the raw meat more palatable, but I think you should let her try the meat as it is first before doing that. If she really doesn't want to eat, you could try that.

ok i will try that...coz i tried many medication to relive her itchyness and just doesn't work..hopefully by giving her barf diet she gets all better..thanks for the info

Well, changing the diet might help with the itchiness if it is caused by the diet..raw feeding is not a miracle cure. It's just a way of feeding the biologically appropriate food for a dog And I don't think you can see results in one feeding. It might take a while before you see results, so you have to be patient. If the itchiness still persists though, it could be something else that's making your dog itch. Sometimes it's the environment, like parasites, or cleaners that we use to clean the floor, etc. Hopefully it's the diet, and the itchiness goes away after she was switched to raw

hi hi,

thot this thread went missing after the lyn database server update thingy. Couldnt find it for like days lol..
Anyway, would love to ask some advise on raw diet again for spayed dog. I'm planning to bring Fifi 2 spay after her current cycle.. what should I feed her most that time.. ?very confused here

Lol...y tis thread so quiet...? I have a question here..hopefully have kind person answer me...
My min. Schanauzer, Miki, juz took the second vacine by today..can i continue feed the raw food to my miki since she juz took the injection n might not feel well...?

It would be fine to continue feeding raw. Wouldn't affect Miki's health.

Hi all, the quatity of BARF raw food i feed to Miki is 10% of her body weight, now my Miki only 1.5kg, so i feed 150g raw food to her daily. But when i bring my Miki to c Vet, the vet say Miki's weight gain so slow, need to eat more....last month Miki weighted 1.3kg, now 1.5kg, gain 0.2kg only
Is feeding raw food to a pup will make a pup's weight gain slower? or I really need to feed more to my Miki?

and can anyone of u give comment on my BARF ingrdient? The following is my ingredient...
- Chicken (chicken rib) 40%
- wild boar + beef + mutton 30%
- 2 eggs + spinach + carrot + red bell pepper + very small portion of garlic and ginger 15%
- beef liver + chicken gizzzard 10%
- papaya + kiwi 5%
- with adding multi vitamin bought from pet shop for each meal....

*I will change some of the ingredients every 3 weeks when i prepare the food.

Finally, i want to thank to Muchan, who recommend me to feed raw to my pup, and Audrey (Rayne) whom i get my 1st BARF raw food and gave me some advises b4, love u all,haha...

This post has been edited by devil86: Mar 26 2010, 08:00 PM

Just a little thing abt the offals. Gizzards and hearts are not considered as organs because they are full of muscle, so they are mostly fed as meaty meats. Other organs you can get from supermarkets or markets are like lungs, kidneys, spleen, and brain.

Puppies who grow up on raw will actually grow slow and steady, instead of having growth spurts so fast. Too fast of a growth will not be good because the pup wouldn't have enough time to adjust and develop properly. So, no worries about the slow growth. It's normal and ideal actually