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devil86
post Mar 26 2010, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 26 2010, 08:44 PM)
Just a little thing abt the offals. Gizzards and hearts are not considered as organs because they are full of muscle, so they are mostly fed as meaty meats. Other organs you can get from supermarkets or markets are like lungs, kidneys, spleen, and brain.

Puppies who grow up on raw will actually grow slow and steady, instead of having growth spurts so fast. Too fast of a growth will not be good because the pup wouldn't have enough time to adjust and develop properly. So, no worries about the slow growth. It's normal and ideal actually smile.gif
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thanks for the info, audrey biggrin.gif
i cant find the organ u mentioned at hypermarket when i purchase the materials, thas y i oni buy liver n gizzard...
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post Apr 4 2010, 07:36 PM

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for a 23kg of 10 months golden puppy....how much should feed per day?
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:00 AM

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For puppies, you could go with 4-10% of their current weight per day, OR you could choose to use 2 - 4% of the IDEAL estimated adult weight (meaning that you have to estimate how much your pup will weigh when he's grown up, and feed 2-4% of that weight every day). These are all estimates though. The key is to always monitor and know your dog. If he/she is getting too chubby, cut down the amount and if too thin, up the amount.

Since 10 months old is still a puppy, I would go with two feedings a day, meaning that you have to take the total amount to feed per day and divide it into 2 meals. Eg: if I am feeding 4% of his current weight, that is about 920g per day. So, one meal is about 460g of food. Hope that helps a little!
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 11:00 AM)
For puppies, you could go with 4-10% of their current weight per day, OR you could choose to use 2 - 4% of the IDEAL estimated adult weight (meaning that you have to estimate how much your pup will weigh when he's grown up, and feed 2-4% of that weight every day). These are all estimates though. The key is to always monitor and know your dog. If he/she is getting too chubby, cut down the amount and if too thin, up the amount.

Since 10 months old is still a puppy, I would go with two feedings a day, meaning that you have to take the total amount to feed per day and divide it into 2 meals. Eg: if I am feeding 4% of his current weight, that is about 920g per day. So, one meal is about 460g of food. Hope that helps a little!
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My pup weighted around 1.6kg now n i fed her round 200g food per day..since the vet n groomer oso say she a bit thin..
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:20 AM

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Yup, definitely. If your pup is still thin, you can just up the amount and stay with that amount until you feel she has gotten to that ideal size. Feel along the sides to get a better gauge instead of relying on weight only. smile.gif
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:28 AM

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I feeding 200g per day still like not enuf for her..seem like her little stomach never feel full.. =="
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:36 AM

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No, when I meant feel along the sides is not to see whether the stomach feels full or not (if bloated also not really a good sign), but rather to see if your pup is growing the way she should be, by feeling for the ribs...if she is growing well, you would only need to apply a little bit of pressure to feel the ribs. If by just barely touching the sides and you can feel the ribs already (or if the ribs are already very prominent without touching), then she is too thin (and you need to up the amount of food). If you can't feel the ribs at all after applying a little pressure, she is getting chubby (and you need to decrease the amount of food).
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post Apr 5 2010, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 11:36 AM)
No, when I meant feel along the sides is not to see whether the stomach feels full or not (if bloated also not really a good sign), but rather to see if your pup is growing the way she should be, by feeling for the ribs...if she is growing well, you would only need to apply a little bit of pressure to feel the ribs. If by just barely touching the sides and you can feel the ribs already (or if the ribs are already very prominent without touching), then she is too thin (and you need to up the amount of food). If you can't feel the ribs at all after applying a little pressure, she is getting chubby (and you need to decrease the amount of food).
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Then i think my pup was in "too thin" category... ohmy.gif
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post Apr 5 2010, 12:18 PM

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Is she still active as usual? Playing and eating good? If so, then just up the amount to feed her smile.gif I'm guessing she might just be a bit bigger size when she grows up. I'm guessing this because I follow the estimated ideal adult weight to gauge the amount to feed Scottie. After looking up the breed standards and all, the ideal weight for a Min. Schnauzer is around 6-8kg, so I put it as around 7kg. I feed about 2% of that weight, which is about 140g a day. But, seeing as Scottie is at his best weight (that I liked so far) which is 6.75kg, the amount I feed is around 120g plus or minus depending on the cut meat. So, he's maintained it well smile.gif

For your pup, I think she might be bigger sized as 200g would be the amount to feed an 8kg adult dog. Seeing that one can feed up to 4% of the ideal adult weight (of 8kg, it's around 320g) you could definitely up the amount to that, provided she is still active, playing and eating well smile.gif Just keep adding more (and monitoring constantly) to see how much she can eat and be in an ideal weight smile.gif All these numbers are really just an estimate. Some dogs need more, some need less. I'm guessing your pup is one of them that needs more wink.gif
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post Apr 5 2010, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 12:18 PM)
Is she still active as usual? Playing and eating good? If so, then just up the amount to feed her smile.gif I'm guessing she might just be a bit bigger size when she grows up. I'm guessing this because I follow the estimated ideal adult weight to gauge the amount to feed Scottie. After looking up the breed standards and all, the ideal weight for a Min. Schnauzer is around 6-8kg, so I put it as around 7kg. I feed about 2% of that weight, which is about 140g a day. But, seeing as Scottie is at his best weight (that I liked so far) which is 6.75kg, the amount I feed is around 120g plus or minus depending on the cut meat. So, he's maintained it well smile.gif

For your pup, I think she might be bigger sized as 200g would be the amount to feed an 8kg adult dog. Seeing that one can feed up to 4% of the ideal adult weight (of 8kg, it's around 320g) you could definitely up the amount to that, provided she is still active, playing and eating well smile.gif Just keep adding more (and monitoring constantly) to see how much she can eat and be in an ideal weight smile.gif All these numbers are really just an estimate. Some dogs need more, some need less. I'm guessing your pup is one of them that needs more wink.gif
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Scottie edy adult n oni eat 120g...my 3 months pig Miki eat 200g per day, oh gosh doh.gif She is still very active n eating very well..especially when she c me take her food going to feed her, she will jump like monkey. Mayb i need to maintain the quantity of food at 200g per day to see how is she going 1st...but today she produce loose stool, i duno wat is going on..

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post Apr 5 2010, 02:57 PM

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Well, all dogs are sized differently. You can't actually judge how much they eat because they are the same breed. Scottie is kind of small for his age and sex, so that's why he eats less. Quite a few Min. Schnauzers that I see his age are usually bigger than him. Plus, puppies are meant to eat more because they are growing, and so definitely need more food smile.gif You should up the amount until she is older, and then only maintain it at a certain amount to feed.

Loose stools can mean a lot of things...it could be too much food, introducing too many new foods at one time, treats that didn't agree with her, or she picked up something that she shouldn't eat, etc. If she is still active and all, just monitor her and cut down on all treats. She should be fine in a couple of days smile.gif
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post Apr 5 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 02:57 PM)
Well, all dogs are sized differently. You can't actually judge how much they eat because they are the same breed. Scottie is kind of small for his age and sex, so that's why he eats less. Quite a few Min. Schnauzers that I see his age are usually bigger than him. Plus, puppies are meant to eat more because they are growing, and so definitely need more food smile.gif You should up the amount until she is older, and then only maintain it at a certain amount to feed.

Loose stools can mean a lot of things...it could be too much food, introducing too many new foods at one time, treats that didn't agree with her, or she picked up something that she shouldn't eat, etc. If she is still active and all, just monitor her and cut down on all treats. She should be fine in a couple of days smile.gif
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Erm, really thanks for ur advice, Audrey smile.gif
I think Miki oso will feel thanksful to u coz u gv lot of useful opinion to her owner =P
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post Apr 5 2010, 03:10 PM

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No worries, we all are still learning also, so help each other out lo smile.gif
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post Apr 16 2010, 08:30 PM

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Hi Guys, i accidently browse through this website of Purina Malaysia, I wondering, do your agreed with the "information Cum Education". Your have a look. --> http://purina.com.my/DogCare/caredog_article2.html I know dog have ability to withdraw nutrient from grain, vege, cooked meat, etc.

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post Jul 1 2010, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(shayne @ Nov 27 2008, 06:56 PM)
i wan to share my Barf feeding experience here. I have a toy poodle name Ice. her bad breath was gone after 2 weeks of Barf feeding. her poo become lesser and less smelly too. Ice was having sensitive stomach and poor digestive system during her kibbles' time, but now, she is very healthy and guess wat, her skin & coat condition become better too.

i started with a bit bit of vege mixed with kibbles, then slowly add in some raw chicken breast meat with kibbles & vege. after 2 weeks, i just change her food to a total BARF - drumstick with bones+egg+a bit bit of vege+supplement powder. my Ice seems to adapt very well with her new diet and now, i hav bought her more variety of meat, she is having chicken, beef & lamb on rotating.

to share 1 of my very simple Barf menu for 1 meal:-

chicken - grinded with bones
a small slices of beef tenderloin
1 baby carrot
a bit bit of alfafa sprout
apple slice 1 cm
1 spoon of natural yogurt
egg
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I'm having maltese... I wan his coat to be more healthy n shiny... Healthy skin lar...
Hot spots, and itching and scratching......... gone
What menu can i prepare??
Affordable one la...
And why i c u all say put in refrigerator?
The food not cooked one ar? Feed raw?
I prefer cooked food for my dog...

Grind chicken breast, carrots and rice mix all together okay?
How do i cook them? Boiled? Steam? Cook with olive oil?
Or what??
I know nothing... =(

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post Jul 1 2010, 05:33 PM

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Umm...I think you're asking in the wrong thread here. If you notice, BARF = Bones and Raw Food so yes we are all feeding raw to our furkids. No cooking whatsoever. If you're looking at cooking for your furkid, I would suggest reading up more about it as well because cooking is definitely different from feeding raw as cooking changes the protein structures in the meat.
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post Jul 2 2010, 02:26 PM

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Dear all BARF feeders here, i owned a 6 months min.schnauzer and she is around 4kg now (is she underweight?),may i know that should i feed my pup 400g of raw food per day (400g per day like too much for me)?i'm feeding her 200g per day now...
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post Jul 2 2010, 02:48 PM

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Umm...feeding 400g when your pup is only 4kg would mean you're feeding her 10% of her body weight everyday O.O" That's a bit too much, in my opinion. At 6 months, she is young, but not THAT young anymore, if you get what I mean. If you need to up the amount from 200g, do it slowly in small increments (10g maybe?) instead of going up double like that.

For me, I feed Scottie (a Min. Schnauzer too) about 120 - 150g a day only, and he's about 6-7kg of weight now. Granted, he's already 3 years old, but even for his puppies, I actually go with the formula of 2% of the breed's ideal weight (which is around that weight also) and monitor as I feed. Feeling the dog's sides will help you get some gauge also whether she is underweight or overweight. If the pup is underweight, I just up the amount by about 10-20g first for a few days and go on from there.

Again, this is all by estimation...you need to actually monitor your dog to see if she is too thin or too fat, or just nice. If it's just nice, just keep on feeding the amount you're feeding now. If not, then adjust accordingly smile.gif Hope that helps smile.gif
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QUOTE(Rayne @ Jul 2 2010, 02:48 PM)
Umm...feeding 400g when your pup is only 4kg would mean you're feeding her 10% of her body weight everyday O.O" That's a bit too much, in my opinion. At 6 months, she is young, but not THAT young anymore, if you get what I mean. If you need to up the amount from 200g, do it slowly in small increments (10g maybe?) instead of going up double like that.

For me, I feed Scottie (a Min. Schnauzer too) about 120 - 150g a day only, and he's about 6-7kg of weight now. Granted, he's already 3 years old, but even for his puppies, I actually go with the formula of 2% of the breed's ideal weight (which is around that weight also) and monitor as I feed. Feeling the dog's sides will help you get some gauge also whether she is underweight or overweight. If the pup is underweight, I just up the amount by about 10-20g first for a few days and go on from there.

Again, this is all by estimation...you need to actually monitor your dog to see if she is too thin or too fat, or just nice. If it's just nice, just keep on feeding the amount you're feeding now. If not, then adjust accordingly smile.gif Hope that helps smile.gif
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this really help, Rayne, thanks for the info given^^ i think i will keep feeding the amount of food to her which is 200g per day....if based on the amount of food i feed now + the theory of 2% of the breed's ideal weight, then my MS will growth to 10kg? shocking.gif or should decrease the amount of food when she is getting elder and maintain the food at certain amount when she is 1 year old?

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post Jul 2 2010, 03:29 PM

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Well, I follow the ideal weight thing coz it so happens Scottie falls under that range, but not all dogs are in that ideal weight range...so yeah, again it's back to the monitoring. By no means you should reduce coz your pup is still growing unless she has become too fat as a puppy. So, the food SHOULD increase when she's growing steadily until she has reached adulthood (around 1 - 1.5 years old). By then, you would have had an amount that you should feed steadily to maintain that ideal weight for your pup smile.gif The best advice I've always seen from other experienced raw feeders is to keep monitoring our dogs and KNOW OUR DOGS smile.gif There is no set amount of food to feed coz each dog grows differently, so keep monitoring and adjusting until you get that ideal weight for YOUR pup smile.gif

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