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post Dec 10 2008, 05:47 PM

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Blending veggie does give off a weird smell but it can be covered up with yogurt and the juices from meat.

My dogs are eating BARF diet from Pet Epicure now, it's mixed with lots of different stuff. But sometimes I do my own, minus the grounded bones coz I got no grinder, so i give whole bones like chicken soft bones, necks and carcass.

The veggies and a bit of fruit I used goes like this:
Green peas
carrot
pumpkin
cucumber
apple
spinach
broccoli
sawi
bell pepper

everything in small bits only, all in a food processor until a puree and I freeze it into ice cubes. Everyday at dinner time I just defrost one ice cube of veggie puree and mix with the meat and offal for my dogs.

My dogs lick everything clean. I also supplement with fish oil and kelp meal.


Added on December 10, 2008, 5:55 pm
QUOTE(leekenneth39 @ Dec 10 2008, 10:29 AM)
I understand, i tried before going to barf but problem is with the vege's they dont like it.
my way feeding is a little portion of kibbles and raw chicken both meal day and night.
By this way i already see improvement i bet going to total raw should be better but still a problem is just chicken without veges, fruits right ?
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It is best not to mix raw food with processed kibbles. I mentioned it before somewhere here about what happens to the stomach when kibbles and raw are eaten at the same time.

Chicken as a very neutral smell.... so your dog may want something with a stronger smell. No dog of mine have ever turned away from raw food.

Try putting a few different kind of meats together, along with liver. The veggie puree, just give a bit like a teaspoon and mix with some yogurt.

Read here about Barf and kibbles
http://www.querycat.com/faq/b8f66cfc112490c3fa61a6d53b693dbd

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post Dec 10 2008, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(Doraemon11 @ Dec 10 2008, 06:17 PM)
I have a super-tiny toy poodle, she's bout 2months+ and less den 500gram..
Can i start feed her BARF now onward???
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Yes you can. I read that a breeder overseas feed puppies BARF when they are 3.5 weeks old. Anyway, I'm also feeding my puppy with Barf but in small portions now. My adult is taking mostly BARF with kibbles once a while.

Read this
http://www.ukbarfclub.co.uk/barf-success-s...ies-on-barf.php
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post Dec 10 2008, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Doraemon11 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:04 PM)
Thanks all for reply... icon_rolleyes.gif

As i found out some of u.. prepare and keep the meat and vegie pureen separetely.. When time to feed only mix up both.
But for myself will mix up everythg when preparing, meat and vegie, then divide to 1 meal portion for each bag and store in freezer.
Is that any different for the both method above??
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Is up to you I guess. When I buy the prepacked BARF, everything including the veggie and fruits is inside already. If I do myself, I separate coz I make too much veggie puree for my stock of meat.
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2 month old no teeth? For a human baby yes but a puppy would already have it's teeth all out already. Of course it is not the adult teeth but they got pretty sharp baby teeth.
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Well, for puppies we normally give soft bones like there is a soft bone where the chicken breast is. Then winglets or chicken neck, just for them to nibble. They won't really chew and swallow everything now coz still learning. Most of their bone intake would be from the grounded bones in the BARF food.
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post Dec 11 2008, 09:12 PM

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From what I follow, Meaty bones is normally 60 to 80% of the diet, and meaty means the bones with 50% meat and 50% bones on them. Feeding meat alone without bones is not so good coz phosphorus level.... the bones is a source of calcium. Another diet ppl follow is the prey diet, which is 80% meat and meaty organs, 10% bones and 10% offal.

Glad I know what goes in and the quality of the products in the raw food I get, but yah, we must give variety, so rotating different sorts of meats, bones, offal is a must to gain proper nutrition.
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QUOTE(n3sbaby @ Feb 10 2009, 11:07 PM)
I start to give my dog chicken wing as dinner since last night....
Today I saw his stool having some bone which is not ingested properly...
that means he didn't chew properly?
Today dinner, he grab the chicken wing and want to eat inside his bed...I faster carry him to the kitchen then he thought I am going to grab his chicken wing away XD ended up he almost choked by the chicken wing as he is like gulping...is it coz of the chicken wing is small? so he won't really chew on it?
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Some bones in stool is normal. Nothing to worry about as it is just passing out.

What you did was wrong, to carry him fast. You scared him, and made him try to gulp the chicken wing down because it thought you wanted to steal it away. Dogs are somewhat protective over food and shouldn't be frightened or threaten during mealtimes.

You should feed him in a quiet place, with newspaper around as some dogs like to eat their food on covered ground. Never try to carry or snatch away the food when a dog is eating and do not sit too close to your dog coz it needs privacy when eating too.
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QUOTE(Robey Lim @ Apr 12 2009, 10:24 PM)
hmm.gif Hmmm...tats wat i read 2, but wat really confused me is some actually recommend grain puduct such as brown rice...n even my vet asked me bout wat carbohydrate source i fed! rclxub.gif....
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It depends if your dog is allergic or not but there is no need for carbs in their diet. You can like add 1 teaspoon of cooked brown rice. I do that once awhile only. The Barf diet mix I get got veggies and fruits in it for fiber but it is up to you. My dogs do well with prey diet too.

QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 13 2009, 09:15 AM)
I guess it's up to you to decide...but from what I've read, if we are to mimic the diet of wolves in the wild, it doesn't really make sense to feed our dogs grains, as wolves don't have rice cookers in the wild, and they don't really eat grains as is.
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Hahahah yah, wolves got no rice cookers. They may take the vegetation in the stomach of the deer or any animal they feed on, that's it I guess.
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post Nov 29 2009, 10:49 PM

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Yah, blending the veggies and giving it straight is ok. I do that too.

But I think you need to give a more varied diet. Some organ meat, different meats like lamb or beef or even game meat if can find. I'm looking for lamb meat and quail but so far my dogs eat chicken, lamb, mutton and beef. Plus bones from chicken wings and neck. Just bought 2 lamb leg bones for my big dogs to enjoy.
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post Nov 29 2009, 10:57 PM

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Oh, the bones from beef or lamb should never be cut. Coz very hard, I think dangerous if cut to small pieces. Coz my dogs are a boxer and labrador, I just give the whole leg bone, and let them chew only. After they chew till left only the middle part of the bone, then I take it and throw away coz it's dangerous if they try to crack and swallow it. I forgot what my friend told me, if you wanna give lamb or beef bones for them to eat, not chew for fun, then only certain bones can give. I believe tail bone or neck bone, can't remember. My smaller dogs, cavaliers I only let them have chicken bones. 1 likes any meat, salmon also eat. But one is picky, only like chicken but we make him eat a bit of every meat lah. We also give a bit of liver.
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QUOTE(Rayne @ Nov 30 2009, 12:27 AM)
I usually get my quail meat from Jusco...it's sold frozen. But it's a bit pricey (about RM5 for 2 birds only), so it's not a staple for Scottie. I've heard that some wet markets sell quail too, but it's not as easy to find compared to other meat, so I only feed quail whenever I can find it. smile.gif


Added on November 30, 2009, 12:31 am
I have a Min. Schnauzer, so I think his size is similar to your Poodle's size...for lamb bones, I don't feed it to Scottie. It's best not to feed the weight-bearing bones of the big animals (which is the leg bones of animals like cows, sheep, goat, deer, etc) because they are too hard, and will cause the teeth to break. Whenever I can find lamb, it's usually the lamb shoulder cuts, so I take away the bone and just feed boneless to Scottie. His source of bone comes from chicken, duck, turkey, quail and fish (but mostly chicken, duck and fish).
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Shoulder cuts? Is it those shoulder chops found frozen at supermarkets? Jusco at wangsa maju no quail..... I saw at Hock Choon but forgot the price and I think it was expensive so I didn't get. I also saw rabbit meat but also expensive. Sigh.....

Turkey bone can give? I thought quite hard. So far my smaller dogs never take any other bones accept chicken. Only my big dogs I let them chew on leg bones but my dad and I watch closely to make sure they don't crack and swallow. I love the way they lick out the marrow.

 

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