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post Mar 6 2010, 06:03 PM

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Lol...y tis thread so quiet...? I have a question here..hopefully have kind person answer me...
My min. Schanauzer, Miki, juz took the second vacine by today..can i continue feed the raw food to my miki since she juz took the injection n might not feel well...?
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post Mar 26 2010, 04:11 PM

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Hi all, the quatity of BARF raw food i feed to Miki is 10% of her body weight, now my Miki only 1.5kg, so i feed 150g raw food to her daily. But when i bring my Miki to c Vet, the vet say Miki's weight gain so slow, need to eat more....last month Miki weighted 1.3kg, now 1.5kg, gain 0.2kg only doh.gif
Is feeding raw food to a pup will make a pup's weight gain slower? or I really need to feed more to my Miki? rclxub.gif

and can anyone of u give comment on my BARF ingrdient? The following is my ingredient...
- Chicken (chicken rib) 40%
- wild boar + beef + mutton 30%
- 2 eggs + spinach + carrot + red bell pepper + very small portion of garlic and ginger 15%
- beef liver + chicken gizzzard 10%
- papaya + kiwi 5%
- with adding multi vitamin bought from pet shop for each meal....

*I will change some of the ingredients every 3 weeks when i prepare the food.

Finally, i want to thank to Muchan, who recommend me to feed raw to my pup, and Audrey (Rayne) whom i get my 1st BARF raw food and gave me some advises b4, love u all,haha... thumbup.gif

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post Mar 26 2010, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 26 2010, 08:44 PM)
Just a little thing abt the offals. Gizzards and hearts are not considered as organs because they are full of muscle, so they are mostly fed as meaty meats. Other organs you can get from supermarkets or markets are like lungs, kidneys, spleen, and brain.

Puppies who grow up on raw will actually grow slow and steady, instead of having growth spurts so fast. Too fast of a growth will not be good because the pup wouldn't have enough time to adjust and develop properly. So, no worries about the slow growth. It's normal and ideal actually smile.gif
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thanks for the info, audrey biggrin.gif
i cant find the organ u mentioned at hypermarket when i purchase the materials, thas y i oni buy liver n gizzard...
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 11:00 AM)
For puppies, you could go with 4-10% of their current weight per day, OR you could choose to use 2 - 4% of the IDEAL estimated adult weight (meaning that you have to estimate how much your pup will weigh when he's grown up, and feed 2-4% of that weight every day). These are all estimates though. The key is to always monitor and know your dog. If he/she is getting too chubby, cut down the amount and if too thin, up the amount.

Since 10 months old is still a puppy, I would go with two feedings a day, meaning that you have to take the total amount to feed per day and divide it into 2 meals. Eg: if I am feeding 4% of his current weight, that is about 920g per day. So, one meal is about 460g of food. Hope that helps a little!
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My pup weighted around 1.6kg now n i fed her round 200g food per day..since the vet n groomer oso say she a bit thin..
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post Apr 5 2010, 11:28 AM

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I feeding 200g per day still like not enuf for her..seem like her little stomach never feel full.. =="
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post Apr 5 2010, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 11:36 AM)
No, when I meant feel along the sides is not to see whether the stomach feels full or not (if bloated also not really a good sign), but rather to see if your pup is growing the way she should be, by feeling for the ribs...if she is growing well, you would only need to apply a little bit of pressure to feel the ribs. If by just barely touching the sides and you can feel the ribs already (or if the ribs are already very prominent without touching), then she is too thin (and you need to up the amount of food). If you can't feel the ribs at all after applying a little pressure, she is getting chubby (and you need to decrease the amount of food).
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Then i think my pup was in "too thin" category... ohmy.gif
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post Apr 5 2010, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 12:18 PM)
Is she still active as usual? Playing and eating good? If so, then just up the amount to feed her smile.gif I'm guessing she might just be a bit bigger size when she grows up. I'm guessing this because I follow the estimated ideal adult weight to gauge the amount to feed Scottie. After looking up the breed standards and all, the ideal weight for a Min. Schnauzer is around 6-8kg, so I put it as around 7kg. I feed about 2% of that weight, which is about 140g a day. But, seeing as Scottie is at his best weight (that I liked so far) which is 6.75kg, the amount I feed is around 120g plus or minus depending on the cut meat. So, he's maintained it well smile.gif

For your pup, I think she might be bigger sized as 200g would be the amount to feed an 8kg adult dog. Seeing that one can feed up to 4% of the ideal adult weight (of 8kg, it's around 320g) you could definitely up the amount to that, provided she is still active, playing and eating well smile.gif Just keep adding more (and monitoring constantly) to see how much she can eat and be in an ideal weight smile.gif All these numbers are really just an estimate. Some dogs need more, some need less. I'm guessing your pup is one of them that needs more wink.gif
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Scottie edy adult n oni eat 120g...my 3 months pig Miki eat 200g per day, oh gosh doh.gif She is still very active n eating very well..especially when she c me take her food going to feed her, she will jump like monkey. Mayb i need to maintain the quantity of food at 200g per day to see how is she going 1st...but today she produce loose stool, i duno wat is going on..

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post Apr 5 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Apr 5 2010, 02:57 PM)
Well, all dogs are sized differently. You can't actually judge how much they eat because they are the same breed. Scottie is kind of small for his age and sex, so that's why he eats less. Quite a few Min. Schnauzers that I see his age are usually bigger than him. Plus, puppies are meant to eat more because they are growing, and so definitely need more food smile.gif You should up the amount until she is older, and then only maintain it at a certain amount to feed.

Loose stools can mean a lot of things...it could be too much food, introducing too many new foods at one time, treats that didn't agree with her, or she picked up something that she shouldn't eat, etc. If she is still active and all, just monitor her and cut down on all treats. She should be fine in a couple of days smile.gif
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Erm, really thanks for ur advice, Audrey smile.gif
I think Miki oso will feel thanksful to u coz u gv lot of useful opinion to her owner =P
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post Jul 2 2010, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Miko_Chan @ Jul 2 2010, 05:05 PM)
i went to the barf website, it said raw bcos to keep the nutrients... really? is it safe? no bacteria ar? I wanna feed him barf too... wan his skin n coat to be more healthy and boost his immune... he is 2yrs old.... 2-3kg... How much shud i feed and how many times a day?? How to prepare barf?? PLS TEACH ME~ I can afford a simple diet... such as chicken and vegetables and egg... what can i make with these ingredients?
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erm...juz my own opinion from what i had learned from Rayne and from internet,

the ingredient u may put into ur self prepared BARF food are:
- 30% of meaty bones (such as chicken wings and chicken necks),
- 40% chiken meat (meat only)
- 10% organ (such as brain and liver)
- 15% vegetables
- 5% fruits

the vegetables u can add into are: broccoli, turnip, celery, carrots, garlic (in small amount), cauliflower, spinach, kale, sweet potatoes, cabbage, dark or light greens, etc… (with vegetables diversity and variety is the key.
*i personally add 1 or 2 whole eggs to be blended together with vegetables.

the fruits: apple, orange, papaya, kiwi and etc (normally i put apple, kiwi and papaya)

**note that all fruits and vege must be blended!

the raw food can be in chunks or blended form.

u may oso refer to this link for more info.

or for the easier way, u could buy the packaged raw food from Rayne, bought from her b4 and now try to prepare myselve~ click here is her selling link for her selling link thumbup.gif
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post Jul 3 2010, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(falcon16 @ Jul 3 2010, 03:10 AM)
guy i;m planning to feed my dog a BARF diet... i wish to add the following ingredients to her diet :

Chicken Breast (buy frm tesco and cut cut)
Vege
Apple cider vinegar
yogurt
Rice (she loovvveeesss rice gila gila so yeah)

what do you guys think?
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Chicken breast better include the bones...n if can, avoid the rice..hehe..
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post Jul 23 2010, 11:46 AM

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Hi all raw feeder here,

I wish to add fish into my raw diet, may i know what fish is recommended to add? the best fishes for dos as i know are mackeral and herring, anyone know where can i get these fish meats?
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post Jul 23 2010, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Jul 23 2010, 12:49 PM)
Yeah, kind of smile.gif But I still lurk about at the Schnauzer thread...just that I have nothing to say tongue.gif

I'm not too sure mackerel is kembung though...kembung is the really small fish. The mackerel is a deep sea water fish, and when I see my Mom buys it to make fishballs, they're usually big. If I remember correctly, my Mom says it's "Ma Yau Yu" in Cantonese. If you go to the wet markets and ask the fishmongers, I think they can guide you better since they know more about fishes smile.gif

Yeah, sure...I've done that before when I was rotating meats for Scottie. I fed lots of sardines, pork and buffalo for about a month to Scottie & Kenji. But before you do that straightaway, I think it's a better idea to introduce the fish to Miki first to see if she'll like it. Some dogs take to it better, some don't...I'm lucky Scottie wallops everything that I get for him. tongue.gif Kenji is a tricky thing though...he doesn't really like fish, wild boar and quail. So I feed him a bit differently...but lucky he's small, so it doesn't impact the cost too much wink.gif
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erm....finally i make it clear,

mackerel = ikan kempung
sea mackerel = tenggiri
according to google translate la... sweat.gif

btw, i think i will try to search for sardines since it is small and easy to feed as a whole (no nid to cut)....hehe... tongue.gif

My question is, if i feed sardines a whole, do i still nid to add organ meat into my barf diet? since the sardines itself edy contain organ...

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post Sep 2 2010, 12:20 PM

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after feeding Sardin fish to my lovely MiKi for 1 month...planning to feed her Duck meat for the next batch of food....anyone here know where can i buy the raw duck meat in KL or selangor area? I think duck meat is haram food for Muslim, so its kinda hard for me to find duck meat seller around my area...had went to several wet market...but cant find also...
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post Sep 2 2010, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Sep 2 2010, 01:12 PM)
Not too sure if duck is actually haram, but I've seen duck being sold in Giant supermarkets near the chicken section smile.gif Sometimes I get duck from the Giant in Bandar Kinrara if they have a good deal. Most ducks in the wet market (my Mom usually frequents the one in Kuchai 4 1/2 Miles if you're near that area) sell for about RM19-20 per duck. Sometimes Giant can go down to about RM18 if they have sales. 1 duck can last Scottie & Kenji for about a week or so, depending on if I mix with other kinds of meat or not smile.gif Hope this helps!
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Thanks Audrey, will pay a visit to Giant to look for Duck meat....went to Carrefour and Jusco, juz cant find any duck there....

QUOTE(uSry^_^ @ Sep 2 2010, 01:28 PM)
Duck is not haram la..  shakehead.gif
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opps...my mistake....coz seldom see muslim eat duck...hehe...
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post Sep 7 2010, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(conangirl @ Sep 6 2010, 10:24 PM)
I just bought chicken neck for my dogs (mongrel/Shih tzu and silky) to clean their teeth... Can somebody tell me how to serve? Should I cook it or give them raw? Now in freezer, should I warm it/defrost before serve? How much should I give per dog?

And I have bought minced lamb for Shih tzu and silky as their coat and skin diet, how  should I serve? Can I mixed with kibble? What's the quantity? Need to cook?
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NEVER cook or warm the raw food b4 giving them to ur dog especially the born. Cooked bone is more hard if compared to raw bone and this may be harmful to ur dog. Juz freeze them, then defrost them b4 feeding ur dog. Dun serve only chicken neck in a meal, mix it with other muscle meat, organ meat, vegetable and fruit. The quantity to feed should be 2-3% of ur dog weight (assuming ur dog is adult).

For more details, i think u can read through the whole thread, there is many useful information here.
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post Oct 25 2010, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(conangirl @ Sep 10 2010, 07:33 PM)
The minced mutton and chicken neck I defrost it then give to my dogs together with kibble... I'm just give minced mutton to replace canned food and chicken neck to clean their tooth..
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and dun mix the raw food with kibble in 1 meal, coz the digestion time for raw food and kibble is different, doing this will make ur pup stomach upset..1 meal raw food and other 1 meal kibble is fine..


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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Sep 30 2010, 04:24 PM)
I've been feeding my dog(beagle) with raw diet since October last year. But her black coat is  fading with a bit of white hairs lately. She's 4 years old now. Most of the time feed her with boar and chicken neck. Can her coat condition improved ? What could be the cause ? Sometimes my dad feed her with boiled big wild boar bone. Could this be the problem ?  icon_question.gif
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duno wat is the cause..but maybe u can try increase the variety of the food u gv to ur beagle? try other meat other thab boar and chicken neck..dun gv only chicken neck to ur dog in 1 meal, at least mix with other "pure meat" without bone..coz chicken neck oni is too bony..this i learnt from Rayne =)
maybe u can try to feed sardine to ur beagle? sardine is rich with omega 3 and the price is not expensive oso..

so far my schnauzer dun hv skin and coat problem, she still have a healthy and shining coat..btw, she oni had 7 months raw food experience which is lesser than u..hehe..

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post Oct 25 2010, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(freakfingers12 @ Oct 25 2010, 08:06 PM)
Just scrape the fats perhaps? I bought cow's head for my dog before. Didn't scrape any fats or remove the brain, just fed it like that. The seller did chop it though, just wasn't too small to choke my dog.
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cow's head? blink.gif wont it be too hard for ur dog?
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post Oct 26 2010, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(bei00 @ Oct 26 2010, 02:16 PM)
Dear all,
wanna ask, give dog eat chicken neck will clean their teeth? when buy chicken neck from wet market, need freezer 1st only give dog eat or can directly give dog eat? will the dog get choke ? sorry, im new here wanna know more. tq
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please go through this thread 1st b4 asking the question...this question had been answered many many times.. yawn.gif
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post Jul 9 2011, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Jul 9 2011, 12:36 AM)
Rayne, i have two labs. Both stay with me for 3 years. Their age unknown coz adopted.

male is smaller compared to standard lab size( large or medium?), female is like mongrel's height.. maybe can consider as medium?

I juz used furrenze calculator to calculate a 15kg. it stated 2.1kg per week. So one whole chicken enough for a week? need to purchase extra necks and organs like hearts?
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if u r feeding prey, u need to feed the whole part of the "animal", like a whole duck, chicken, rabbit, fish etc...this include all the organ inside the "animal"...u dun have to add extra necks or organs, as long as u feed the whole part of the "chicken" if u feeding chicken, u can divide the whole "animal" into few part so that u can feed them to ur kids in different days. Ur furkids will get a balance nutrition in the long run.

Ideal feeding amount of the food PER DAY is 3% of ur furkid ideal weight for adult, 10% of the weight for a puppy.
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post Jul 10 2011, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Jul 9 2011, 09:49 PM)
ok. thanks.
I just grab what my mum would usually throw away..
Wanna see how they react to raw.
Now, chicken is rm7.50/kg in kuching. Don't know semenanjung how much..same or not..

if i practice prey,can i grind the chicken alternate with chopped?
My little one have difficulty chow chow the bones..so kinda got me thinking.
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U can grind it or chop it into chunk, no problem...but i personally prefer chunks...their teeth wont get dirty so easy =P

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