Hi All,

I just sent an application yesterday regarding the internship position. How long do they need to assess my application? In other words, how long am i suppose to wait for a reply?

Do they call you or email you? What if i fail? Do they contact me telling me i have failed?



Thanks

If you fail they don't call you. It should take about a month.

Y so many ppl internship this time?? Cannot say how long 1..if 1 fast answer call them up give them suprise..they might see your enthusiasm and start looking into your cv..

Oh hi Cookie.. I think generally if you call your chances are lower

U sure call them? I just sent yesterday.

1 month is too long la..

hi wodenus.. Why do u say call them chances lower?? U call themu dont waste your time and you get reply... on their side, they have many applications and if u call them they might look it up... please back up your opinion with some intelligent reasoning..
szeki>If u just sent yesterday then maybe u try waiting 1 week first la.. cuz if just sent then call will be weird..hehe

Well mainly because you sound desperate. If you don't get called in a month, you didn't get it. If you call them you just waste their time. If they are really interested they will call you.

desperate.. maybe... but if u didnt get it then they dont call u and u dont call them, u r the one on the losing side for being unsure what their decision is.. u call them then they tell u they not interested then u move on with your life dont have to worry about them anymore... if they r interested and u call them, they will have better impression that u are keen on this job...and its not like i ask him to call the company every hour or every day..one phone call doesnt make u desperate

Maybe but you still waste their time, which is not a good thing

ANyone else working at accenture/ currently applying?

I agree that you should call. I had a friend wanting to join KPMG, they didn't call so she called instead, and they offered her an interview So just call if they don't call you, you've got nothing to lose, and like f4tE said, it makes you seem more interested.

It shows that you are taking initiative too! For now, you probably want to call up just to find out how long it usually takes for them to get back to the applicants.

Did you get in Szeki?

Sometimes its good to call to know ur application progress.

Do not put all your eggs of hope into one bucket. They might not offer a lot of position for internship.

Try to spend the efforts on seeking and applying more companies, broaden up your chances. During time like this it wont be easy to get an internship.

Should be okay to call what. Better still, they'll think you're keen and taking initiative to pursue them. Call also a few minutes only mar, won't annoy them. After all, it's their job.

TS what happened to your intenrship?

If they want u, they will call u right away after u submitted ur application form.
Right away means same day or 1,2 days after u submitted.
But normally within 1 week lar.
And I hate talking to the Accenture helpdesk girls. To be exact the indian girls!!!! Give false information about interview time and venue and very rude!

p/s: Im not racist, if other races did the same thing i will mention it here too.

I have just been told they want to hire me! =D Management consulting analyst! Hope I get to have interesting projects with some traveling! And yes, the commensuration package is good haha. Now I just need to wait until they send me the physical contract to sign. Can't wait! =)

What does management consulting do ?

Hmmm.. Regarding Accenture..
Any idea for the internship for IT field?
I mean is it good? I'm Biz student and will it be too unrelated?

if you are a Biz student, you might want to look into finance consulting. try looking into their website and learn a thing or two.
as for technology consulting i guess they're looking for engineers, and IT people, so might be kinda hard for you to get in.
but no harm trying if you really feel it's worth the effort. their package is considered one of the best

I see Accenture keep advertising for jobs. Is their turnover very high?

turnover super high...and choosy employer..

choosy ? how come i felt completely the other way round haha

turnover super high, maybe, but still very well a multinational company in its own right

they are advertising jobs because there is a demand for them and as far as high turnover is concerned, there are still more people who would like to work for them i think

Because those people have got the wrong impression that this is a glamour company. I mean you are implying that high turnover is not an issue? What is the point if more people would want to work for them if those same people leave after a period of time. Since you are supposed to be "brainy" why aren't you addressing that issue? Says much about you isn't it. I mean wat is the point of being a so called multinational company if people do not want to stay there? Seems like you are not that good in reasoning after all yeh?

QUOTE(Xerone @ Dec 24 2010, 11:18 AM)
I have just been told they want to hire me! =D Management consulting analyst! Hope I get to have interesting projects with some traveling! And yes, the commensuration package is good haha. Now I just need to wait until they send me the physical contract to sign. Can't wait! =)

Yup.. accenture package is pretty good... but unless you're in resources or SAP field.. it is highly unlikely u get to travel...

This company pays very good... but turnover rate high.. bcos.. people dunno what the company is doing, and when they're in, they realize they don't like the job.. cos you can be doing any kind of jobs.. from project management, IT, SAP, banking or watsoever.. by luck alone..

I travel.

To get travel or not, actually it is depends on which project you are in and what is your role. As i know, SAP project is easy to get travel in Accenture....hope you get what you want!!!!!

haahaha...glamour company.

An ex-colleague I know works there, and isn't very happy with the work life in the first 6 months.
Either you adapt to it...or you have a different work preference environment....

Whichever keeps on sane and happy about.
Every job has a level of repercussions..... there is never one with "work-life balance"....

If there was one...that's not work.

wrong impression O.o are you saying the company lied to create that impression ? i sure hope not


nope, wasn't implying that turnover is not an issue. In fact, it is always sad to see knowledge capital leaving
well, no one would expect themselves (or company expecting employees to stay forever, it's a competitive world, if people found a better job else where and make a decision to skip, it's their right to do so.


I'm not supposed to be "brainy" just cause i think if companies advertise for jobs there is a demand for it. I think it's a valid point, why you don't ? or you are trying to say i'm trying to divert attention from the possibility that the high turn over is causing these job openings ? honestly i have no idea, but i'm not taking sides and neither should you unless you have concrete evidence to do so because if you don't talk based on facts, there really isn't much point to discuss this any further

they aren't CALLED a multinational company, they ARE a multinational company and for what its worth ACN is a place that encourage employees to put the company first whether you agree or not and if you aren't ready to do so and somehow joined "on a wrong impression you will do what you want to do" only to quit and whine , oh please blame the company more will ya ? cause the throng of haters out there simply arent making enough noise.



agreed if you can't cope with the stress your company put on you, leave, maybe it's just not meant for you

This post has been edited by daccorn: Apr 9 2011, 01:55 PM

How about the prospects for engineering background students?

Correct me if i'm wrong, Accenture is mostly projects based and they outsource the staffs?

Mostly project/assignment based. Yes, they do outsource to other companies. And engineers have good prospects as long as you have a colorful career. That's from what i know

how's the working hours and benefit like in this company?

Work hours are very dependent on which service line and project you are in. Hard to say but expect it to be as long as lower paying jobs.

So that is how you actually justify the high turnover rate. By saying that people leave for better offers somewhere. I really do not get it. Accenture is supposed to offer above average perks and benefits and now you are trying to defend the high turn over rate by saying that people find better jobs somewhere. So are you saying that people do not stay because the conditions there is not really good? Well I hope not because since the benefits and salary is supposed to be higher then the market the only reason is because the environment is not really ideal rite?

Having said that I can now answer your first question. Well, most people here do get the impression that Accenture provides a good environment to work with. In fact, Accenture always preaches to be the best employers and also preaches about work life balance. So are you really sure that everyone who works there do really have work life balance? I mean can u really honestly say that? Ya perhaps if you got in as a consultant, it may be glamorous but if you are in the solution work force is that really true? What I really do not understand is why is there such a disparity? I mean are you saying that the consultants work much harder then people in the solution work force?

You still have not address the high turn over rate yet. I mean aren't you just trying to evade the question that was being asked initially by diverting the issue?

Well if it is not true then why is it that they keep on advertising. I mean are you sure that there are really sure so many companies engaging Accenture's services that they have to keep on hiring? Just curious though. What about the other companies such as IBM or HP. They do not aggressively hire people so does it means that they are really second class as compared to Accenture?

Well, we should not really wash dirty linen in public rite? I mean based on my friend's experience, you really want me to write everything here?

Isn't it obvious from the first sentence that you are writing that you are already taking side. Seriously, do you even read what you have wrote?

Where did I ever imply that they are not a multinational company. Have you been brainwashed that you really do not know how to read between the lines? I am saying that despite being a multinational company, they are not able to keep people. isn't it pathetic that you have been brainwashed to the extent that you really cannot reason properly.

Well I guess human right is not really at the top of your agenda. People there are supposed to be slaves for the company. I guess it is all about accenture and not the employers themselves rite?So because i join accenture I am supposed to sacrifice everything for them. I always thought that when i joined a company, any company to be exact, I am supposed to let the company know of my capabilities and what I am able to contribute to the company and the company will then employ me to do a job that is along the lines of my capability. But because this is accenture, the glamour company that we are talking about, now we have to do everything the company ask us to do and not expect to be respected on our side.

Well, how do you know that the throng of haters are not making any noise. I mean I do know of something called Google, and when i google accenture plus hate guess what. So that is your false assumption that accenture is the perfect company rite?

Your final statement says it all rite? So people are leaving because of the stress level caused because of the environment there.

Well, I guess you really have a lot of rewiring to do.

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Added on April 11, 2011, 1:39 amBe as long or much much longer.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Apr 11 2011, 01:39 AM

mmm... i got to agree to what sylar is saying...

some additional points..

1. background.. engineering better? nope.. it is all the same.. they hire all ppl with all sort of degrees.. be it english, physic, engineer, acc... so a bunch of mixbag...
doesn't matter to acn as you will be thrown anything or everything anyway..
2. Travel... if u like travel probably should find a travel agency to work in.. that is what the senior manager or senior executive going to tell u..
3. DIsparity between consulting and solution.. YES darn true.. so it is a matter of luck in this... and blame it to the SE that interviewed u as he is the one making the CALL..

end of the day... not the best company.. but one pay ok money..

all you wanted me to say is there is a high turnover because the company is just not good enough to keep them. There you go I've said it.

Work life balance is a choice of the individual. Don't blame the company that you have to stay back because there is too much stuff to do because the individual themselves can't get over the guilt of not finishing it then and there. But I'll give you this, if you really want work-life balance whatever that means, it really depends on which project you get into. You sacrifice for any employee in your own choice, people tend to blame the employer they work with these days saying they pay too little for the work they are giving you. Why the hell stay then ? JUST LEAVE. And then they kept on giving it their all everyday they go to work case solved, we all just need some sleep. But if you really think about it, it's not the employers giving hell, and it's not the employees blindly sacrificing themselves but that payable bill that goes into your mail and the end of each month and materialistic world today that's only making earning money ever more so important regardless of what you are tasked with


that my friend is completely wrong, people have a right and choice to say no to the task they are given with. Don't tell me they don't in accenture otherwise you are going to start sounding like a disgruntled ex-acn. And I think we are talking fresh grads here, correct me if I'm wrong but what kind of capabilities do fresh grads have these days other than a cert proving you've done some degree somewhere ? Everyone has to learn and if you are not willing to learn from basics then again... by bother joining the workforce lol .. so naive

Google? you can google anything these days so just because only disgruntled comments gets highlighted in your eyes I wouldnt be bothered by it too much.

maybe reread my last sentence. I mentioned all companies in general I did not say Accenture and do stop addressing what I've said out of context

This post has been edited by daccorn: Apr 11 2011, 10:41 AM

Do people actually believe the work life balance companies promote nowadays. Come on, don't be naive. If you have been working a few years , you should be smart enough to know advertising vs reality.

Then why preach it. Why say that there is work life balance when the fact is that people basically do not have any life after joining that company. I mean wun it hurt your credibility if you preach something that you do not practice?

Because it's advertising and marketing. The HR needs to promote the company to attract talent.
You don't expect them to tell you the truth and say you won't have any life working there do you?
Don't expect people to tell you the fine print on how the culture is in any organisation, it's up to you to find that out yourself.

Are you from the consulting work force? Well that really says it all really right? Seriously, you have really shown what Accenture is all about haven't you? If say I was implementing a project or something, I would not even consider using your services just based on what you have just said.

Well it took you so long to figure it out? I mean stop hiding behind lines like saying that people are leaving because of the market. It sure isn't convincing.

One moment you say this and the other moment you say that. So what are you trying to say right now. That work life balance is because of the individual or work life balance is because of the project. I am getting really confused here. For those who are reading this right now, you know what to do. I mean do not stay on in the company just because of the "prestige". So I was not really wrong as to why there is such a high turnover rate right? I mean why do you like hiding behind lines just to defend Accenture? You are brainwashed?

Do you know why people are so naive into overstaying longer then their welcome? Because they forgot that just like the employer we do have a say. They got conned into thinking that Accenture is such a prestigious company that they have to sacrifice everything including their dignity to be there.

You are the one who is being naive here. I guess you really do not understand the meaning of inflation dun you. The reason as to why people are so poor just like you is because they have this mindset that they have to work so hard just to get their next paycheck. They do not understand what is the term called career advancement and also to learn things that may be useful for their future. They do not understand that as employees we are actually providing service to the employers. It is a mutual agreement. The employee pays the employers for their services not to be their slave.

Wow. You really enjoy putting words into people mouth. When have I ever implied that I am talking about fresh grads. See you are even confusing yourself. Didn't you just said yourself that ACN is a place that encourages the individual to put the company first and also didn't you make this phrase "on a wrong impression you will do what you want to do". I guess you are implying everyone right?

You mentioned cause the throng of haters out there simply arent making enough noise. and I just provided you with the evidence. Who cares whether you are going to read. After all it would not changed a thing right seeing how brainwashed you are?

I guess instead of being a mnc we perhaps should call Accenture a MLM i mean seeing how much they wired the members there.

You are really a great advert for Accenture. Really. You should post more.

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Added on April 11, 2011, 7:45 pmI do not expect them to say that I wun have a life there but at the same time I do not expect them to preach about work life balance as if it is something that they religiously follow. There is a fine line between credibility and hiding the truth and by preaching to others something that is actually very very far from the truth is actually a lack of credibility. Which is another thing that they claim to have

This post has been edited by sylar111: Apr 11 2011, 07:45 PM

why thanks!



well I'm a person who like to earn my keeps, can you please amuse me more by bringing someone in who'd say they do not need to work hard to get their pay check lol you are so delusional it's entertaining



that is just out of line, but thanks for entertaining me thus far

and you may type another essay now

Well, seriously you are being out of touch in this world. I never ever said that we do not have to work for our next pay check. I am just implying that employment is a mutual agreement between the employer and employee. You do not have to be a slave just because the employer hires you. Our life is not just limited to work. If someone just concentrate on work alone, he will definitely be poor in the future. This is a well known fact. There needs to be time to learn other useful things such as investment,etc and of course othere things that interest you. But I guess people like you who has been brainwashed to thinking that your income is only being limited to 1 stream.

Well what do you mean by out of line? You do not understand the implicit meaning that I am trying to convey? Seriously, now I realize that Accenture just hires anyone in the dumps because you do not even have the intelligence to understand what others are saying. I mean how will you have the intelligence to solve client's issues. I guess the only thing you can do is lick your manager's toes.

PS: I am glad that you are really being entertained. But I am even happier that other people are also getting entertained. Let's continue entertaining each other shall we?

This post has been edited by sylar111: Apr 13 2011, 01:40 AM

Seriously Sylar111, you hit the jackpot about Accenture or any big corporate around

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is lick your manager's toes.

Oh ok. Actually I do know that. But I never knew that it would be so bad until this extent.

reading tis thread is making me think twice!

how about managerial role in Accenture? in the various dept - which is the more workable division?
i do expect mayb ending at 8something daily... but not near mid nite... sighz... so to say yes or say no...

I just came back from Accenture interview. FYI, they have never "preached" about work-life balance like mentioned in the quote above. On the other hand, they specifically mentioned that accenture can be a demanding company. It is up to my discretion whether I want to take up the demanding tasks and contribute to the company. Aside from the high pay, the chance to be exposed and trained thoroughly in fields across the business world comes along with these demanding tasks. I have interviewed with several MNCs and I can say that the amount of exposure able to be gained from Accenture is very impressive.


The funny thing is, I have been exposed to a couple of inflation theories proposed by orthodox monetary and development economists, i have never heard of the theory that inflation can be caused by "this mindset that they have to work so hard just to get their next paycheck." and "[the mindset that] they do not understand what is the term called career advancement and also to learn things that may be useful for their future." I find it amusing that you are accusing others of being naive of not knowing what is inflation, but you yourself have not clearly understood what really is inflation all about.

And might I add that most competitive and high paying jobs nowadays like consulting requires you to put in long working hours. Just take a look at any top management consulting firms like the MBB (I hope for someone who has given such strong insight to the management consulting field, you know MBB is). You will know that Accenture is not alone in this sense.

This post has been edited by Seiryu: Jun 13 2011, 06:47 PM

Seiryu - Some comments on ACN

1. You'll probably assigned to one field instead of many in normal cases.. I was with one client for 3yrs before moving on... mainly working on SAP..
of course a lot of instances it is related to luck... if your project life cycle is short.. probably u get to move around a lot.. unless you're into management.. you probably won't be able to master particular skills...

2. if you're not fresh grad.. acn probably not the right place... as you get people as young as 21 as analyst.. 24 consultants... 27 managers... and they rarely give u much credit if you're not from the same field.. i.e. consulting... don't be surprise u get some young ciku as your supervisor..

3. be clear what is ur intention of joining consulting firm... if you have certain area/skills you would like to master.. try asking the manager who did the interview whether this particular skills are relavant here.. more often than not.. they throw you in watever project they can find if you don;t have much relavant skills..

my 3 cents

yup thats the worst that can happen, get trapped without a definitive skillset

which is might as well

Thanks for the insight! I have a question, from your experience and from what i understand in ur reply, does it mean that it is a good idea (or a better idea) to join ACN as a fresh graduate, and attached to the management team?

This post has been edited by Seiryu: Jun 14 2011, 10:35 AM

there is not a "better" team in ACN, all workgroups are rather equal in the learning opportunities they present - just like what was pointed out before, be wary of what field / knowledge / expertise you want to go into in the next 3-5 years and seek out a project / opportunity that would allow you to maximize your growth and learning curve in pursue of that - can you need to always keep that in mind so you don't fall off track (which sometimes is good cause one can discover an area of interest and haven't been thought of)

Is it?

People always tell me that in Accenture, some projects have ridiculous hours and lousy treatment ™ while some projects 5pm go home and easy get promotion (O&G like Shell). Also they say the consulting line always promote faster and got better chance to learn, than the software line.

well, it is always good to full body experience it yourself. There is not one person or a group for that matter whose words could fully represent the entire picture. So take it with a pinch of salt what negative things people say about ACN - and the positive things too!

I think if you are a freshgrad then we shouldn't be talking about promotion now if one has nothing to show for as of yet. But if you are an experienced hire then it's best to to consult the HR there imo. Also learning opportunities has a blur relationship with promotion - i think starting off as fresh grad ur job is really to maximize your learning opportunities for now and socialize with as many seniors as you can and tap on their experience (especially those who are experts in the field you are gunning for) they will always be ever willing to assist to you set a learning direction for your goals.

That is what they preached on the advertisement all the time. That has been their main motto.

Well I guess you never read properly. Seriously, you just pull a statement out and assume that this is what I am trying to imply. I am saying that because you work so hard, you will not have time to develop in other aspects sufficiently and your income may not be able to keep up with inflation. Instead of stating this or that theory, why dun u just learn how to read properly. I really find it really laughable that someone of your "stature" can just read something without thinking twice.

Are you one of the accenturians. Because what you have just said is just absurd

This post has been edited by sylar111: Jun 14 2011, 06:15 PM

From my experience talking to managers there, it seemed that they are keen to help fresh entrants to grab projects that will help them set a learning direction. But I guess things are not as easy as we think. Some major blocks would come from unpredictable circumstances, like if these projects become unavailable or already been filled up, and fresh grads are left with projects with long cycles.

To Sylar, I noticed that I have interpreted your reply wrongly. I owe you an apology for not reading it correctly and for the sarcasm in my previous post.

But I can't help to question some of the replies you made. Before I fire off into another misinterpreted message, would you mind explaining the following reply you made? Your reply:



1) How is it that by joining Accenture people turn into slaves of the company? Are they not allowed to leave if they're not happy? If not how is this violating human rights?

2) Regarding " I always thought that when i joined a company, any company to be exact, I am supposed to let the company know of my capabilities and what I am able to contribute to the company and the company will then employ me to do a job that is along the lines of my capability." How is Accenture not doing this? And, how do you know that Accenture is not doing this? also, can you provide us with some example of companies that actually does this, to the point you're impressed?

Your insightful replies will help a lot of people in deciding or not whether to join Accenture.

This post has been edited by Seiryu: Jun 14 2011, 07:16 PM

Can I know more about ACN's Consulting Graduate program, especially job prospects. How fast can we specialize into a particular area? And do ACN hire all year round for this?

Looks like you're the one who is having a thing against people who do not talk bad about Accenture. (I know you are going to say I am one of the Accenturians and that what I said is just absurd (according to you). You're halfway right. I am working in ACN but I do not like it and neither would I promote it to my friends).

Your tone is really degrading and sounds as if nobody knows a single thing and you know everything, which I find kinda disrespectful. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we are just here to share our opinion so why is everything others say "laughable" and read "something without thinking twice" (I know you're going to refute in someway or another to imply that I never read properly and suggest to me that what I just wrote is laughable and that I should re-read again. Every post of yours is asking others to do so. Yes sir, got it).

As for "work-life balance", as far as I am concerned, ACN do not preach about it all the time. Instead, they promote something called "flexible working", which is totally something from having "work-life balance". I suggest you to do more diggings before you use strong tone to accuse others (I know you're going to refute again that I did not read properly what you wrote and that my attitude is laughable and suggest that I should probably read again your posts. Yes sir, got it again).


On another side, have to agree with others that ACN is good for fresh grads relatively compared to experienced hires because :
1. ACN discounts experienced hires if they come from different background. If you are experienced hire, chances are your direct supervisor could be younger than you.
2. The learning curve for a fresh grad is exponential and offers a lot more opportunities to learn and equip oneself with skills and knowledge that are very important in the future career.

It's also true that ACN has this tendency to throw you into any project without any matching of your skills and expertise against the project requirement. So yeah..

Wow interesting discussion about Accenture. Accenture SE or SM should read this haha. I am here to share my experience too. My background and ties with Accenture is like this, fresh graduate in Engineering background. Joined Acccenture as my first job as an analyst in a resources project but has resigned from Accenture already .

Too many long replies didn't read all but capture few interesting point. I am going to just share my pure experience with Accenture as a fresh grad ex-analyst. Going to keep it short.

1. About different project with different working hours

-Yes this is true different projects and different manager have different expectations. Some managers are flexible and try to give the best work life balance but some managers are a driver character meaning they really want you to work long hours (actual quote from manager: next time let review first, don't rush off to go home at 6:30 to 7. After review need to do amendments and time goes on).
-Some projects are on a very tight timeline no choice you are pulled in and you have to work late like business developments or SAP projects
-Some managers do have their own agreement to have flexible timing for their assistants like work from home or start late go back late.
-Conclusion it depends but generally the perception that was given to me is that work late is a top performer. Leave early less performance. Partly is peer pressure which causes it. If everybody in your team (more to managers and consultants) leave at 10 or 11 everyday and you leave at 5:30 everyday the perception is different.

2. High turn over rate

-From my observation partly it is because they hire a lot of people who are not from the IT background, lots of engineers. And these people over time will find that IT industry is not suitable career path therefore leaving.
-Secondly is that if you get a shitty project your are in shit. You get what I mean.
-Thirdly is the normal one that people don't get promoted and leave.

3. Project choice

- My experience as a fresh grad you don't get to choose!.
- Take a project given to you because if you keep choosing and go without a project you are under performing because they use the system of chargeability (lay man terms how much you are charging the client aka earning money for the company. No project, no client, no money = not good)
- Most projects also keep a policy of maintaining the people with that account. You will get the chance to change project within that single account but you have no say!

Getting too long. Anyway this is my experience.

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This post has been edited by shingrey: Jun 16 2011, 12:56 AM

Seiryu

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Thanks for the insight! I have a question, from your experience and from what i understand in ur reply, does it mean that it is a good idea (or a better idea) to join ACN as a fresh graduate, and attached to the management team?

I think it is always best to join when you're fresh. I think MEngineer explains it pretty well.

Attached to the management team? Nope. Remember to join the CONSULTING line instead of SOlUTION if you want higher "initial pay".

MEngineer - Guess you love engineering so much that you left the IT firm.. hehe

Thanks for the long article. Really glad to hear from someone who has actually been in the company and worked there, rather than from some people who have no idea at all how the company functions but went hardcore bashing it.

Calling for raymond80 and MEngineer,

I have a few questions here, hope you guys could help out:

1. Is Accenture a very IT-focused firm? Cause from the website, I see that there are many divisions, say if you get into consulting, you can choose either strategy, business process management, CRM or supply chain management and so on. If that is the case, why those engineers want to leave the firm as there are many other options around?

2. Another question here is about the job security. As far as i understand, it is it either you move up or out in consulting industry? Is it the same for Accenture? (My thinking: Engineers who got hired to do IT stuff need some time to adjust, it is not fair to kick them out if they fail to perform as well as other IT graduates)

Thanks for your kind opinions!

This post has been edited by Larrylow: Jun 15 2011, 01:24 PM

Larrylow - my 2 cents only.

1. Previously in CONSULTING there are two key groups:
- Management Consulting (division u mentioned)
- Technology Consulting (SAP, Siebel, Java..with client like TM, Shell n many more)
In Msia, there are more IT related jobs hence I think Technology outnumbered Management by 3 to 1 back then.

Because of relatively small market in Msia, you see management consultants doing same job with Technology ones. But I heard that starting to change now. Anyway if you interested in management just make sure they assign you to the group u want before you join.

2. Yes, it is up or out. Not so obvious at lower level but you hardly see people 40-50 yrs in the company (who are not partners).. so think about it. Well, if you're engineer why join IT? You will need to compete with younger folks and your good 4yrs spent in college doesn't mean much.

i will second that

what about their legal side? or contract management team?

previously ACN was in klcc.
anyone know about Spire research in menara maxis?Their consultant n ACN wat different beside the paid?

What is Accenture Payable Analyst basic salary for fresh graduate?

u're outsourced to Averis which is not a really good one and next yr there is rumour that they will never renew accenture contract and all will be absorbed or VSS. so, try not to take the risk in this......

hi guys, I've recently applied for a Siebel Software Developer (Telco). I'm currently working at Panasonic as an IT Executive, I wanted to move on to seek different challenges. I'm quite new, just 1.5years of working experience with me and I would like your opinion on whether working at Accenture is a good option what so ever.

Thanks..

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This post has been edited by Renekton: Feb 15 2012, 08:35 PM

i see..its that hard to survive in that company is it?


do you know any refugee from the projects?

You should join ONLY if you get to enter Consulting Workforce.

may i know why?

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This post has been edited by Renekton: Feb 15 2012, 08:34 PM

Ditto Renekton.

Solution workforce do the same sh*t as consultant, work as hard, sacrifice as much but bringing home half of want given to consultant.There is a lot lot of unhappy peeps in solution.

Especially the position you applied, it is a blackhole. Been there once, not coming back for sure. Anyway good luck. My sincere advise with no slightest intention to demotivate your or condem the company. If you have the choice, dont go :-)

This post has been edited by rokai88: Jan 29 2012, 02:04 AM

It seems that being a solution workforce is not a good option in this sort of company. I thought this company is among the 100 best company to work with. But then again, nothing beats inside experience within the company.

@botack,

Do keep the final decision to yourself. Fact remains that you have not heard 100% of the inside experience but a few bad ones.

I have joined a firm with all the possible horror stories that can ever be conjured only to join and find myself in the best learning position possible for a graduate.

yes, i do agree with you. I'm currently in the midst of compiling the pros and cons of joining this company. I think I will attend the interview first and we'll see how it goes from there.

Please stay away from Telco Siebel stuff unless you are sure of your interest and passion. You will need both to keep you strong =)




He is right about this. I was one of them. In fact I was quite tired with the blame game between different teams. It happens so damn often that inhibits proper system development.



Consulting workforce may have better pay, but be prepared to be tied up with lots of task... common thing here, higher salary = bigger responsibilities.




It may not be, but usually people go there for the work experience in a span of 2-4 years and then leave for a better place unless you are among the lucky groups that worked reasonably hard and being backed up by the upper management peeps.

Here is how I see it: If you are really motivated by interest, go for it. But be prepared to be wise, don't always work like a dog as some would just want u to work for nothing.

This post has been edited by kaspersky-fan: May 14 2012, 06:31 PM

hi kaspersky, are you from the TM project or P1 Project? how long have you been working there?

I heard that Siebel programmers have to work during weekends and work extra hours during weekdays..is it true? I have been through quite a tough year during my 1st year working at a software company. I have to work from 8.30am right through 3 or 4am almost everyday including weekends. if at Accenture is the same, then I think I have to think twice on accepting the offer..

Hi botack, I'm from TM project. In fact it doesnt matter as the P1 and TM projects (or telco projects in acn) are lead by one project leader. So the chances of you being bounced from one project to another in telco line is common. Although once you are stuck in TM, the chances of you staying permanently there would be high, for sure.

For TM, depending on the project. Currently, there are 2 projects in TM involving Siebel programmers. Mainly iCarePrime (iCP) and NOVA.

If they put you in iCP for Siebel programming, the chances of you working would be a usual 9AM to 8/9PM on a good non critical issue day. But if let say issues suddenly spark, be prepared to work until 12-1AM.

If you are stuffed to NOVA, your working hours would usually start from 9AM till 10-12PM on a normal day. (NOVA has numerous issues/CRs and isn't stabilized yet compared to iCP). If something sparks up, chances of you staying up until wee hours are common.

But given from what you have mentioned, this Siebel programming job would be a more improved environment for you overall compared to where you are currently.

However if you have chances of working something else instead of Siebel, maybe SAP, by all means go for that. SAP projects would mainly involve oil and gas or mining companies, which have generous budget and in a way, a more work life balance. Those working in oil and gas projects would usually work from 8AM till 5/6PM, or latest 8PM. It will not be as terrible as TM as this project is well known for tighter budget and pinches of involuntary servitude. However, if you get SAP for Proton project, run for your life, lol.

I hope this helps you to decide and good luck!

This post has been edited by kaspersky-fan: Jan 30 2012, 10:54 PM

LOL, i heard from my friend who is working for proton that the SAP project that they are undergoing are not going as plan. Its chaos there. Anyway, thanks a lot for your sincere advice. I appreciate it, I will reconsider on this company after hearing it from you. May I know, how is the learning platform in the company? is it good? I mean, are they sending you to classes of training in Siebel? I'm actually very particular on my learning curve. I'm not quite happy in working at Panasonic because there is nothing to learn here. If Accenture could provide me the learning environment that I could wish for then I don't mind working late everyday as I have been doing it for the past 1 year of my working career.

Thanks again for your advice, Greatly appreciated!!..

There is no learning platform. They hardly or seldom send ppl for training for Siebel stuff. But you do learn a lot from the seniors as they will let you do hands on experience. Having said so, to me it isn't proper. By right they should send us for some beginner Siebel training for new peeps but usually they would say no time etc, learn it on the spot etc. Usually seniors would knowledge transfer to you so that part of their workload is lightened by you. They might hand you some document with instructions or tips to ensure u are able to do the task. So in short, you would learn as you work and different seniors would get you different knowledge.

They have their own online platform where you need to do online training. But eversince joining TM, I hardly have time to even browse that site or do training. Their online training is usually some management or ethics stuff.

Is that so, on-job-training is the only decent training that they could provide you. that's quite tough even for me as Siebel is quite a new language for me. Actually, i'm pretty excited to learn something new and when I heard Accenture is having an opening, I thought to myself, hell, maybe I should have a go. I've been researching for Accenture and I've found out that its quite famous among graduates as their desired career. Then I thought that, this will be a good one from me.

But to have multiple seniors guiding you, for me, is quite awesome already, back in my 1st company and currently in Panasonic, I've met through seniors who don't even want to teach you anything because to them, if they transfer their knowledge to you, the company will view them as redundant and as we, the new guys have equal knowledge and almost equal skills comparable to them yet, the company are forking out much more in order to continue employing them.

But then again, if its the on-job-training is the best that they can provide to you. then its quite tough for a new guy like me..

i cannot really vouch for solutions/technology consulting (TC); since i am not from there.

however i can assure you over at management consulting (MC), if you are an eager beaver, rest assured that your peers/supervisors will be more than happy to spend time and effort to develop you.

This post has been edited by nokia2003: Jan 31 2012, 12:24 AM

but my working experience is only 1.5 years..the minimum working experience that Accenture are looking at is 3 years..

again - cannot really comment about that.

AFAIK, MC workforce hires all levels throughout the year (of course the probability of getting hired increases exponentially with experience).

I see..
Anyway, thanks for the info!..

Frankly speaking, I don't really understand what MC doing.. they could be one different thing.. n next minute another thing n mainly fluffy stuffs.. so I wonder what is the career progression is like in term of learning...

generally if u wan to survive in ACN, u just need to shine the right shoe....as they hardly able to rank u by skills u have...

Can you explain more on what does MC supposed to do?

They are supposed to do strategy consulting. But accenture doesn't have much market share on that, so most management consultants there end up working in large IT projects. They are supposed to interact with clients more compared to solutions workforce people but this does not always hold true. You'll do well as long as you manage to keep your image as a capable person even if you're not. One would argue that it's the same in all other industries, but it's more widespread and more common in Accenture MC because the work quality is difficult to value and measure as most often it's fluffy. Having said that, they do articulate ideas and present them very well. You also do learn to be very organized in MC.

I think what raymond80 said was blunt but it's true.

..I get it..Thank you very much for all the explaination...