if you are really good then yes. if not. i suggest you dont come in as you will just sink.

Their Telco projects are horrible.

Long hours up to midnight everyday including weekends, cannot claim full parking, abuse from customers, small promotion budget for telco line, blame game between different teams, etc.

Ask any refugee from the TM or P1 project.

You should join ONLY if you get to enter Consulting Workforce.

Ditto Renekton.

Solution workforce do the same sh*t as consultant, work as hard, sacrifice as much but bringing home half of want given to consultant.There is a lot lot of unhappy peeps in solution.

Especially the position you applied, it is a blackhole. Been there once, not coming back for sure. Anyway good luck. My sincere advise with no slightest intention to demotivate your or condem the company. If you have the choice, dont go :-)

@botack,

Do keep the final decision to yourself. Fact remains that you have not heard 100% of the inside experience but a few bad ones.

I have joined a firm with all the possible horror stories that can ever be conjured only to join and find myself in the best learning position possible for a graduate.

Please stay away from Telco Siebel stuff. I can guarantee you that you would feel like a downgrade if u move from Panasonic to Accenture.

He is right about this. I'm one of them who is still working there. In fact I'm quite tired with the blame game between different teams. It happens so damn often that inhibits proper system development. And the project lead there is a military dictator. Though he would put up fancy images of how nice to work on that place, don't be fooled as nomatter how much you cover, dirty things like this will still appear, because eventually it will, time definitely tells.

Consulting workforce may have better pay, but just be ready to throw away your morality if you want to promote. Lies, deception and resentment are common properties that get you promoted. You may stand high up but with your soul sold to the devil.
It may not be, but usually people go there for the work experience in a span of 2-4 years and then leave for a better place. None can stand the kind of work ethics and environment they preach.

Here is how I see it: If you are really motivated by interest, go for it. But be prepared to be wise, don't always work like a dog as some would just want u to work for nothing.

Hi botack, I'm from TM project. In fact it doesnt matter as the P1 and TM projects (or telco projects in acn) are lead by one project leader. So the chances of you being bounced from one project to another in telco line is common. Although once you are stuck in TM, the chances of you staying permanently there would be high, for sure.

For TM, depending on the project. Currently, there are 2 projects in TM involving Siebel programmers. Mainly iCarePrime (iCP) and NOVA.

If they put you in iCP for Siebel programming, the chances of you working would be a usual 9AM to 8/9PM on a good non critical issue day. But if let say issues suddenly spark, be prepared to work until 12-1AM.

If you are stuffed to NOVA, your working hours would usually start from 9AM till 10-12AM on a normal day. (NOVA has numerous issues/CRs and isn't stabilized yet compared to iCP). If something sparks up, chances of you staying up until wee hours are not common.

But given from what you have mentioned, this Siebel programming job would be a more improved environment for you overall compared to where you are currently.

However if you have chances of working something else instead of Siebel, maybe SAP, by all means go for that. SAP projects would mainly involve oil and gas or mining companies, which have generous budget and in a way, a more work life balance. Those working in oil and gas projects would usually work from 8AM till 5/6PM, or latest 8PM. It will not be as terrible as TM as this project is well known for tighter budget and pinches of involuntary servitude. However, if you get SAP for Proton project, run for your life, lol.

I hope this helps you to decide and good luck!

There is no learning platform. They hardly or seldom send ppl for training for Siebel stuff. But you do learn a lot from the seniors as they will let you do hands on experience. Having said so, to me it isn't proper. By right they should send us for some beginner Siebel training for new peeps but usually they would say no time etc, learn it on the spot etc. Usually seniors would knowledge transfer to you so that part of their workload is lightened by you. They might hand you some document with instructions or tips to ensure u are able to do the task. So in short, you would learn as you work and different seniors would get you different knowledge.

They have their own online platform where you need to do online training. But eversince joining TM, I hardly have time to even browse that site or do training. Their online training is usually some management or ethics stuff.

i cannot really vouch for solutions/technology consulting (TC); since i am not from there.

however i can assure you over at management consulting (MC), if you are an eager beaver, rest assured that your peers/supervisors will be more than happy to spend time and effort to develop you.

again - cannot really comment about that.

AFAIK, MC workforce hires all levels throughout the year (of course the probability of getting hired increases exponentially with experience).

Frankly speaking, I don't really understand what MC doing.. they could be one different thing.. n next minute another thing n mainly fluffy stuffs.. so I wonder what is the career progression is like in term of learning...

generally if u wan to survive in ACN, u just need to shine the right shoe....as they hardly able to rank u by skills u have...

They are supposed to do strategy consulting. But accenture doesn't have much market share on that, so most management consultants there end up working in large IT projects. They are supposed to interact with clients more compared to solutions workforce people but this does not always hold true. You'll do well as long as you manage to keep your image as a capable person even if you're not. One would argue that it's the same in all other industries, but it's more widespread and more common in Accenture MC because the work quality is difficult to value and measure as most often it's fluffy. Having said that, they do articulate ideas and present them very well. You also do learn to be very organized in MC.

I think what raymond80 said was blunt but it's true.

Why would anyone with a clear conscience wants to join accenture, if I may ask?

Yeah solution workforce is a career-destroyer.

- Promotion cycle is slow, so they have a huge population of system analysts who stuck 3-4 years with no promotion and very little increments.

- Solution workforce also doesn't value technical skill, at all. The managers only value people who are good at PR/shoe-shining, which is paradoxical because the workforce is built to provide technical depth to the main Consulting line.

- It has a program to import Indians/Filipinos/etc to fill their workforce. There are many cases of having a supervisor from another country who knows the technology even less than you.

- The mid term goal is to set up a low-cost outsource service center. So the whole department will be about providing low cost supports to customers.

Well, I suggest not to judge any company based on feedback from a handful of junior employees. AFAIK, this company has over 200,000 employees worldwide, and they seem to be doing well. The share price seems to be sky-high atm.

There is this website that gathers employee reviews - http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Accenture-Reviews-E4138.htm. There are about 2000+ reviews on the company - good, bad and the ugly.

It is true that in high-touch companies, especially in consulting industry, it is crucially important to possess a certain flair for strong communications skills, soft skills, leadership, motivation, drive, influence and relationships. The world, particularly in business and corporate affairs, are built on relationships. It matters. In this line, it matters more than your specialized skills in IT... much, much more...

People who love to work in front of a computer solving technical challenges will enjoy the technical career, almost as much as they love b****ing about why their CEOs and Managers and Consultants and Businessman friends are making the big bucks when they are the genius/hero/mad scientists who do all the dirty hands-on work... ;-)