Zennn, is pioneer amp GM 6300F 4 channel can power up the MS6A? Think of going for the MS6A but still looking for the amp to drive it.

thanks

the midbass need at least 100w rms to bounce.

i thought that also. So, ckmoy, the alpine pdx 4.100 rated at 100 rms right? and the ms6a will match perfectly with it right. who sell the pdx and what price? zenn?

Hi Bros, Any idea of Maestro brand? handcrafted in German.
are they related to MB Quart? looks quite the same. Anybody have any idea what's their price range?

The Agako Reference 4100 scores much x10 better than the Alpine PDX 4.100 in terms of sound quality. Price I think is almost the same. What it lacks is the brand name only. From what I have heard in my friend's car, the Alpine PDX sounded 'lembik' and lacked the dynamics. Tweeters sounded harsh too and noisy as well. Do some research and u may find what I said is true that the PDX amp is not really SQ orientated. But I like the design of the PDX amp.

Just to check. what's the difference between Focal P. V1 and V2?
Anyone know what's the price of V1 and how good it sounds?
I just visited a shop, selling V1 at RM580.

rob, is it something to o with the setting or connection? I found that most review in web the pdx is good? anyway, still doing research actually. Even sony system sound nice to me but according to sifu's, their entry level only. hahaha. what you're using rob? kind to share?

Class D amp are known for efficiency but lack of cleanliness, dats why most SQ kaki dun use class D amps, even monoblock they oso choose to use class AB. the gud thing abt PDX is the small footprint of the amp, makes it easier during installation. wats ur budget btw? PDX are not cheap, u can get better amps at that price and cheaper if u get 2nd hand...

AVJunior, neva heard of Maestro b4, maestro and cirrus on ATM cards got la. focals ain't cheap, even the lowest range Access cost bout rm700 for the component set, so u think the V1 u saw is ori? V1 and V2 i think they just updated version for marketing purposes, not much difference i suppose.

yeah, i know it's hard to believe for V1 at RM580. when i 1st saw the price, i was like, "it's fake". but out of curiosity, took it out, wow, looks exactly the same......

See our bro ckmoy has spoken. He is definitely right. The PDX doesn't sound clean at all. The looks is definitely sexy but certainly not in the league of being qualified as a SQ amp. Yes, they are much more efficient than any AB class amp but one thing I don't really like the PDX is lack of control. In fact, many audiophiles even shun away from class D amps for their SW although they are more efficient.

I am using the Arc Audio XXK4150 now. Just borrowed the Agako Reference 4100 from one friend recently to test that out. After having tried a number of amps starting from Helix Esprit, Helix Competition A4 and now Arc Audio XXK4150, this Agako has made me change my mind about Koreans.

Anyway, it's your money and most importantly you must be happy with it.

This post has been edited by robinhood: Oct 27 2009, 10:43 AM

am using pdx 1.1000.... but when people ask me to recommend a monoblock... i would recommend mine as well...

unless he wants to take it off my hands with a high price...

cheers....

Anyone tried sps audio? Asked at a audio shop in tmn permaisuri, offered the sps audio speakers to me plus Tweeter for rm 200.

Sifus, need your help. Actually on a tight budget. need your recommendation on any budget 2ch SQ amp. 50RMS X 2ch is enough.
.........thanks first.....

robin, for some ppl, helix competition A4 is like god d... including me last time. but later i found out each amp has their own character. and dat determines if u like the amp or not. there are ppl who prefer denon over alpine F1 or ODR. just dat everyone has their rights to choose wats best for them. gud thing dat u wrote ur opinion bout this agako reference for other's future reference, dare to try. u r lucky to be able to listen for free. i wouldn't spend 2k+ on dat tho, it's risky. i'm quite 'cheap' actually, when i buy any ICE stuffs, i alwez consider its resale value oso. u get what i mean? just for added info, there are ppl who use rockford fosgate old skool amps for SQ, they are very clean, dynamic and detailed. dunno abt the new amps tho.

old skool amps are always better than new-school in my opinion... because those amps are well built for one purpose, music...

nowadays its more like cost saving... which in turns using lower grade materials... and in the end dun sound as nice as expected... rule is still garbage in garbage out... and many turn to digital because of power efficiency which in turn degrades the analog sound as well...

converting from analog to digital amplify then digital to analog before it send the signal to the speaker is like buying a new CD rip them out to MP3 and burn them...

cheers...

so, u r an old skool and analog supporter. just like most old timers. i've listened to ODR system b4, the earliest version really sounds synthetic. but the newer one is much better, not as dull. one fella from team pioneer told me dat it's all about the tuning, as long u have the experience and the skill both digital and analog system will sound as good. haven't got the chance to listen to Z1 onli 1000 biji in the world.

Yes, I support craziechild on old school amps. Old school rule....

BTW to all ICE friends, i am contemplating of selling 2 of my amps as i have too many and they are considered excess. They are one Poweramper QA200x (6ch) and one PPI 2075AM (2ch). Great for complete active setup and passive too covering tweeter/midbass + sub.

Configuration at 4ohm
Poweramper QA200x Class A
6x30w or 4x30w+1x120w or 2x30w+2x120w or 3x120w

PPI 2075AM
2x75w or 1x300w

Looking at RM1500 if buy both for quick sale. Some people are selling >RM2K for the Poweramper 6ch and >RM500 for the PPI individually. Soundwise warm, airy and transparent sound for front and clean dynamic for subs.

If interested, call or sms me 012-6547162

well... dun get me wrong, i dun look down on digital sounding system when its on rock music... because most of the time i find a digital sounding setup has a lot of dynamics...

anyway... to sound good in both analog and digital setup has a same common way: tuning

and well both are good amps... but try the garage sale section for the sales.. ok?

cheers...

Hi ckmoy, there's the problem of resale value especially when comes to brands. The more popular the brand the higher the resale value. Sadly, this equation does not apply to the quality of the amps though. By the way, I do agree it will take hell lots of talk to convince a person to fork out RM2K to buy an "Agako" (till they get a chance to hear them out). Oldschool Rockfosgate Power series amps rocks and used to be my favourites but it was beyond my reach that time. The Agako Reference is very well matched to the R&B's particularly Mariah Carey's songs. My Arc Audio doesn't play so well with them as it sounded too warm and sterile with them. However, the Arc Audio scores much better points in the audiophile genres.

ICErs, Tuning and scratching actually. To me... I'll go to reading section first lah. Hobbies will last forever. I've been reading the 12volt.com, bcae1, caraudohelp,thielesmall, and bla bla for the past 1 year but still no improvement till now. haha. I understand few things from you all and thanks alot.

Nice set up still need to match the cars, amp to speakers, cabin gain, sound deadening, crossovers, what music, what taste, how loud, and importantly the listener either ourself, our kids, our wife/s (hehe), the crowd, or the judges.

Well, I'll go for the 4 channel first. I believe that what i am going to is a wasting for some guys but yup, we're young and bored right? haha. even we're turn 65 next year.