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 Gamers, Piracy & The Industry, Why most gamers dont buy original?

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post Nov 4 2008, 12:08 PM

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he means if rm50 for a ori game is acceptable... =)
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 4 2008, 11:58 AM)
Actually the game is quite cheap-ass if we are in US.Around 50 Bucks Example
50 X 3.5 = RM 175
Imagine original games at RM 50..
Its Malaysia,think about it.
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US citizen earns US dollor and buy things in USD. Malaysian earn ringgit and buy things using ringgit. The same goes to SG. If SG can charge games at SGD50 on average (almost on par with US even though USD is valued higher than SGD), why not Malaysia. Well, just a thought.
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Strange..... some people are willing to spend RM100++ for a mouse but unwilling to pay for original software that they love so much.

I use cheapo optical mouse <RM20 but I still buy ori games that I love so much.

A mouse? ha ha ha
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Nov 4 2008, 10:42 AM)
Even if it's just RM10 for an original copy.. my friend just won't buy it. Why pay when you can just download it? I'm paying RM88 per month that is so expansive to TMNut.. that's what he said.

I think the bottomline is the attitude and mentality. Most malaysian gamers won't want to pay even if it's just RM5 for an original game.
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QUOTE(tech_frix @ Nov 4 2008, 10:47 AM)
i think RM50 is fair enuff for games...
more than that just overkill...
i dont mind about monthly fee if we go online but pls dont sell it more than RM100...
we suffer from paying telephone bills, streamyx and oil price...
our salary pun not that much...paiseh..
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I dont think so. It think its the mentality of people. Dont get me wrong if ori's were priced RM50, i would love it and i think most of everyone here would love it too. But dropping the price to RM50 is like preaching to the converted ie it only makes a difference to us not the ones that have relished in the culture of piracy tongue.gif .

Its like this...why spend so much when you got other alternative much cheaper. SO even if they drop price they will never be able to compete with pirates and pirates being easily available...guess who wins...Look at the movie industry in Malaysia...they dropped the price of Ori's...are people buying more Ori's? Probably to a certain degree...these are probably the people who have been buying Ori's...They are buying more...Did it kill all pirates? Quite the opposite...people who buy pirated continued to do so.

To the guys/gals that said Malaysian earns RM800-RM1600 cant afford Ori's...Do you honestly believe when these people who have been buying pirated stuff all along suddenly buy Ori when they earn RM2,600, 3000, 5000? Seriously, you honestly believe so? doh.gif They will suddenly change to Ori supporters and goody two shoes when they earn more huh? hmm.gif Don't be ridiculous. Its all about mentality. Malaysians hardly respect each other how to expect them to respect IP?
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QUOTE(frags @ Nov 4 2008, 12:14 PM)
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I dont think so. It think its the mentality of people. Dont get me wrong if ori's were priced RM50, i would love it and i think most of everyone here would love it too. But dropping the price to RM50 is like preaching to the converted ie it only makes a difference to us not the ones that have relished in the culture of piracy tongue.gif .

Its like this...why spend so much when you got other alternative much cheaper. SO even if they drop price they will never be able to compete with pirates and pirates being easily available...guess who wins...Look at the movie industry in Malaysia...they dropped the price of Ori's...are people buying more Ori's? Probably to a certain degree...these are probably the people who have been buying Ori's...They are buying more...Did it kill all pirates? Quite the opposite...people who buy pirated continued to do so.

To the guys/gals that said Malaysian earns RM800-RM1600 cant afford Ori's...Do you honestly believe when these people who have been buying pirated stuff all along suddenly buy Ori when they earn RM2,600, 3000, 5000? Seriously, you honestly believe so? doh.gif They will suddenly change to Ori supporters and goody two shoes when they earn more huh? hmm.gif Don't be ridiculous. Its all about mentality. Malaysians hardly respect each other how to expect them to respect IP?
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I beg to differ on your second paragraph. I for one, is probably one of many who start to buy ori movie when the price drop. A lot of my friends are doing so as well because by paying a little bit more, we can enjoy the original without having to worry about DVD faulty or any other defects. We also starts to buy ori Hong Kong Drama Series as it is on par or even cheaper if compared to pirates. Ori = better quality goods and if the price is affordable, I seriously believe people will start take notice of it.
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for those games that "classic", will support ori, eg Diablo, Oblivion, or chinese game!
for those chapalang game, BT settle it, why support those pirated dvd seller?
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someone mentioned about games rental in page 1. That won't work in Malaysia as people here are ignorant and inconsiderate barbarians who double park for their own convenience and never clean up their own fastfood trays.

Anyway...what about second hand games? I mean..like some said, they only want to play the single player portion of the game. Buy they can play it for a month and then sell it back. Someone else can buy at cheaper price and used software does not degrade in quality. Except of course the DVD/CD in which case the people will not buy back if you don't take care of the media.

Those who plan to to sell back out will take care of the DVD/CD. Since you only need to install it once or something. Sure, there are CD checks like securerom but I would personally install cracks after installing with my original. Cause less CD reading means my hardware last longer and nothing wrong using crack to play the game since I already paid full price for it.

Plus reselling games are totally legal too. Everyone benefits.
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ea is trying to stop user from reselling their game coz they wont get a cent from 2nd hand sales
they also state it in their EULA ianm nod.gif


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at my place. a copy of pirated dvd game cost rm13 or rm15. if a game got 2 dvds means it would b rm26 or rm30. sweat.gif stil expensive to me. dload game would take days. so i share wit a fren to buy the pirated copies, total cost devided by 2. smtimes dload if got kesabaran to play d game. but recently i bought some (4 or 5 titles) ori games. i feel good owning it. i put it neatly near my pc so that frens who drop by could see that i got some expensive ori games tongue.gif . unlike the pirated ones which scattered in my room. conc is u appreciated ori games more. smile.gif

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QUOTE(ob8 @ Nov 4 2008, 12:30 PM)
at my place. a copy of pirated dvd game cost rm13 or rm15. if a game got 2 dvds means it would b rm26 or rm30.  sweat.gif  stil expensive to me. dload game would take days. so i share wit a fren to buy the pirated copies, total cost devided by 2. smtimes dload if got kesabaran to play d game. but recently i bought some (4 or 5 titles) ori games. i feel good owning it. i put it neatly near my pc so that frens who drop by could see that i got some expensive ori games  tongue.gif . unlike the pirated ones which scattered in my room. conc is u appreciated ori games more.  smile.gif
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Wow, you take the cake man. You can even cheat the guy who sell pirated by pirating it off from yer fren. Malaysia boleh anybody?

Maybe you cant make it as a business selling 2nd hand games but if its personal transaction then should be no prob.

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 4 2008, 01:01 PM)
Wow, you take the cake man. You can even cheat the guy who sell pirated by pirating it off from yer fren. Malaysia boleh anybody?

Maybe you cant make it as a business selling 2nd hand games but if its personal transaction then should be no prob.
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hahahaha, hell yeah, malaysia boleh.

I also wanted to buy original game like ob8 said, take them as decoration, but too exxpp T_T

And yeah, I still dun get the point for why we cant support pirated version

This post has been edited by xJoeX: Nov 4 2008, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(xJoeX @ Nov 4 2008, 01:15 PM)
hahahaha, hell yeah, malaysia boleh.

I also wanted to buy original game like ob8 said, take them as decoration, but too exxpp T_T

And yeah, I still dun get the point for why we cant support pirated version
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With malaysias habit of purchasing pirated goods. I dont know why malaysians havent gone all out to import pirated electronics, buy china cars (Most of them are pirated versions of other brands), clothes (Just goto pasar malam can oledi) and phones (I know one fella sell china phone in KL and singapore).


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QUOTE(DoomHammer @ Nov 4 2008, 03:09 PM)
Strange..... some people are willing to spend RM100++ for a mouse but unwilling to pay for original software that they love so much.

I use cheapo optical mouse <RM20 but I still buy ori games that I love so much.

A mouse? ha ha ha
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Same thing for people who are willing to pay for expensive case mods, speakers and custom cooling options. Spending for hardware is okay, software is not.


Added on November 4, 2008, 2:15 pm
QUOTE(xJoeX @ Nov 4 2008, 04:15 PM)
And yeah, I still dun get the point for why we cant support pirated version
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The point is that the people who actually produce the content don't get paid. In the first place, this is morally wrong. Everyone expects to be fairly rewarded for their work. How would you like it if you performed work for which you expected payment but in the end the customer took what you created but didn't pay you anyway? In Malaysia's case, how can Malaysia ever expect to become a serious country in which software development is done if everyone in the domestic market pirates it anyway?

In the second place, if the people who produce the content continually get screwed, eventually they will stop producing that content. In gaming, we have seen a continuous trend of more and more games that were traditionally strong on the PC platform move to consoles, because it is harder to pirate on console than on the PC. Heck, before Halo, everyone thought that it was impossible to have a decent shooter game on a console. Now even strategy games are moving to the console. This screws PC gamers.

For another huge glaring example, just look at the cinema industry in Hong Kong. 20 years ago, Hong Kong was one of the entertainment capitals of the world, producing over a hundred titles a year. Now it's a pale shade of its former self, producing a dozen or so titles a year. Thank you pirates!

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Nah, i dun believe u can win piracy, however by reducing prices of games to rm50 per copy is a great way to reduce
the seduction of piracy. I will support original if that day happens. Till then, no way in hell am i spending 100 bucks per game.
I just dun see that kinda value in games. Games arent life, just past-time entertainment ppl.
As some of u guys suggested, there are reasons why piracy is rampant in a 3rd world country. Think bout it.

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emm game is the usa is 50USD here we buy it for 40usd..
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QUOTE(babyrabies @ Nov 4 2008, 02:19 PM)
Nah, i dun believe u can win piracy, however by reducing prices of games to rm50 per copy is a great way to reduce
the seduction of piracy.  I will support original if that day happens. Till then, no way in hell am i spending 100 bucks per game.
I just dun see that kinda value in games. Games arent life, just past-time entertainment ppl.
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Yeap, I 110% agree this. You think set up any "defenses" in your game is possible to prevent got pirated? NO! Only reduce the price will do. Why do we like to support pirated version? Because original is too expensive, and pirated version is cheap. All of us hope can play in original version too. Except for those who just wanted to earn money, but if the original price educed, I bet they don't have any business to do. People will buy original instead of buying pirated version. Main reason which cause piracy is PRICES OF THE GAME! sweat.gif


Added on November 4, 2008, 2:29 pm*We don't have to blame the game company, because their in other countries. We just have to blame our country, the money so "small" sia*

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haha, 1 thing in my mind is...some movies we have to support pirated/bt...which can't really get ori in our country...any1 know?
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I wouldnt really say price is the main contributor. Its ppls greed to get something for either close to nothing which is ruining the gaming industry.

Is it possible to not buy a game just becoz they cant afford eventhough there is a cheaper/illegal version out there?

Ppl have to answer that question for themselves. Why cant ppl not buy a pirated game or is the temptation of having a game which they cannot afford is the driving force which make them get an illegal copy. If that is the case, then if i cant afford something, is stealing the answer to my problem?
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QUOTE(xJoeX @ Nov 4 2008, 02:25 PM)
Yeap, I 110% agree this. You think set up any "defenses" in your game is possible to prevent got pirated? NO! Only reduce the price will do. Why do we like to support pirated version? Because original is too expensive, and pirated version is cheap. All of us hope can play in original version too. Except for those who just wanted to earn money, but if the original price educed, I bet they don't have any business to do. People will buy original instead of buying pirated version. Main reason which cause piracy is PRICES OF THE GAME!  sweat.gif


Added on November 4, 2008, 2:29 pm*We don't have to blame the game company, because their in other countries. We just have to blame our country, the money so "small" sia*
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If i look at what i spent for TF2 and the play hours...thats RM 0.60 per hour...best value ever. Even if I pick something like the time i spent on Crysis i would get RM5.20 per hour. Again good value...

Not everything is about the off the shelf price. Its about value. Want good value? Make good purchasing decisions.
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QUOTE(woshikurt @ Nov 4 2008, 02:36 PM)
haha, 1 thing in my mind is...some movies we have to support pirated/bt...which can't really get ori in our country...any1 know?
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hehe, yeah. some original movies really cant get in here, gotta buy pirated version to watch rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 4 2008, 02:40 PM)
I wouldnt really say price is the main contributor. Its ppls greed to get something for either close to nothing which is ruining the gaming industry.

Is it possible to not buy a game just becoz they cant afford eventhough there is a cheaper/illegal version out there?

Ppl have to answer that question for themselves. Why cant ppl not buy a pirated game or is the temptation of having a game which they cannot afford is the driving force which make them get an illegal copy. If that is the case, then if i cant afford something, is stealing the answer to my problem?
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If price was a factor then no one would be buying hand phones. People find buying a sub 1000 dollar hand phone good value but a 100 bucks game expensive?

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