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 SVS subwoofer, How many users here? Just courious

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post Jul 28 2009, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jul 28 2009, 01:30 PM)
I am a bit kiasi abt this thing  blush.gif  Don't want to court trouble with them. Just like my PC-12Plus, paid all in full.

Hope pricing is a very sui one  smile.gif
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bro seriosly no need to worry la.. worst case scenerio is pay tax, which u gonna pay anyway if u dont try to avoid it .. if anything also the forwarder will settle for u u dont have to meet them

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post Jul 30 2009, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jul 29 2009, 11:18 PM)
I don't have Audyssey,  How do I use REW software?  What hardware do I need to run REW?
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what receiver r u using .. if no odisi normally have other like ypao ma
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post Aug 2 2009, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 1 2009, 10:23 PM)
Finally have time to do my PC-12Plus FR. Using realtrap.com's test tone and pink noise armed with SPL meter.

http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm

Here's the graph. Anyway, will try other s/w as well to compare the result.

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As you can see, there is a serious issue from 40Hz to 48Hz as it dips real low. Abt -26dB difference  doh.gif  The 'valley' is difficult as the PEQ only tackles peak. As you can see in this graph, the peak (28Hz) is being 'subdued' a bit. Any advice would be welcomed  smile.gif

At 16Hz, it starts to roll off 'dramatically', hitting 60dB at 10Hz, which is the same reading that I got when 46Hz tone is played. Only at 47Hz, the reading flipped to 50dB. It shot up to 61dB for 48Hz. There must be something very wrong with the room acoustic or something is messing with it . Need to find out  hmm.gif

When I have time, I'll do some 'tweaking' with the room. Then, re-do the graph again.

Oh yes, to get the 70dB reading, the volume level is at -33.5dB on my 1900. Crossover setting is at 80Hz.
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I assume the svs is tuned to 15hz? any room treatment? if there is can u elaborate a bit abt the treatment done to the room.. kamsiah for your effort

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post Aug 2 2009, 11:34 AM

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I came across this page while looking for brands of rockwool that is efficient agasint low freq http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm .. just thought it might be useful for ppl who r interested in room treatment
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post Aug 2 2009, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 2 2009, 11:49 AM)
useful info. i just hantam make my panels with 60kg/m3 and 80 kg/m3 rockwool. haha

looks like my bass traps not heavy enough. brows.gif
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anyway at the end i also cincai order nia.. no choice in my home town.. i ordered 100kg/m3 .. have to wait coz not much stock for this.. they say 'no body buy this 1 la, tuakeh u buy 100kg/m3 for what'.. ehhe
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post Aug 2 2009, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 2 2009, 12:54 PM)
wth, you buy 100kg/m3... gila heavy. how many inch thick you wanna make?

btw, the table is for 2" thick and does it mean double the coeff. if 4" thick? tongue.gif
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u r asking a chinaman who applies 'the more the merrier' theory on everything (if cost is not much more) hahah .. so i am going for 4inch ... i guess it does improve but i dont know how much more for low freq.. all the test results are from 125hz n above.. maybe some pros can advise us .. anyway your 80kg/m3 is not much lighter than what i am trying to order.. i think mine is 0.75kg heavier than yours per piece.. ycs lets go to the room treatment thread to discuss.. getting off topic .. sorry guys

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post Aug 4 2009, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 2 2009, 05:25 PM)
I have shifted my sub to the corner of the room instead of 1/3 of the room. This would be the single easiest way.

I have acoustic foams at first reflection point, behind the front as well as at the back of the room.

Now, time for another graph. Will post after I am done with it.

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I have shifted the PC-12Plus to the corner of the room, right at the back of my Klipsch. The Klipsch have to be brought forward by abt 1' 8" to let the  SVS in. Luckily, it didn't block the screen. Now, the Klipsch is parallel with the center spkr.

It is better and still needs to some improvement. I had removed the port block and set it at '20Hz' instead of previous '16Hz' with a port block. More to come. GTG
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thought 16hz gonna give a more even output?
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post Aug 4 2009, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:50 AM)
I guess that explains why I have to increase the level of the sub by more than 20 db just to feel the punch especially when playing music.

I try moving the sub around to the other corner and not much different and there is no other place where i can put this sub in my living room so i guess i have to live with it.
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bro u didnt buy the spl meter? .. just try to do what htkaki did then it is much easier to solve.. if not u will get a hard attack like me last time during movies.. at the end found out i had +30db peak for certain frequencies
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post Aug 5 2009, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 5 2009, 08:57 AM)
pierreye,

Since it is wood, I think it should exceeds RM500 mark easily.

This RPG diffuser already abt RM300 (IIRC, it's a pair) Made from styrofoam.

http://www.hiwaylaser.com/diffuser
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dont know stick some mahjong on the wall can work or not smile.gif
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post Aug 5 2009, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:27 PM)
I did bought the SPL meter, but even with the SPL meter I still feel that nothing beats our ear when it comes to the final output.  We could get the SPL meter to show all the speakers at the same sound level but in the end if we feel that it still does not give us the punch we wanted, then still need to calibrate with our ears. 

The other thing i won't want to do is acoustic treatment for my room.  getting the room treated usually requires placement of silly looking things which I cannot compromise for my living room.  And moving my sub  around to odd places is out of the question too.  To me , i am not after the best sound but sound that is appealing to me is ok oledi.
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oki doki thumbup.gif


Added on August 5, 2009, 9:13 pmi used to think it very hard to get the right placement for svs coz its so bulky.. but .. http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii168/m...00/DSC_0066.jpg see his chair also toolan

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post Aug 7 2009, 06:47 AM

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QUOTE(hian @ Aug 7 2009, 02:06 AM)
I believe that's one of the fun parts eh, if everything is plug-and-play without the need of tuning...then there will be no fun liao. biggrin.gif  Anyone in KK using that SVS thing?
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the only thing fun to me is watching the movie.. plug and play is more fun for me hehe.. just that plug and play stuffs are expensive sad.gif .. i guess diff uncles enjoy ht differently
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post Aug 8 2009, 03:46 PM

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Just curious when is Svs lauching in Singapore?.. any1? normally singapore av show will be in Aug izt.. might wanna fly down to have a look at the svs booth if they have it

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post Aug 10 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 10 2009, 02:09 PM)
Yes, I normally do up the level slightly for music for more bass.  One downside of the SVS is that it doesn't have a remote control.  That would be really nice.


Added on August 10, 2009, 2:10 pm

I can guarantee you will  not be disappointed.  It really is awesome.
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for a moment i thought svs didnt meet your expectation coz havent heard much form u after u had your svs:)... thanks for the review.. by the way most receiver got remote and u can increase your sub using your receiver remote


Added on August 10, 2009, 2:27 pm
QUOTE(abechik @ Aug 10 2009, 12:48 PM)
guys.. how much is this SVS poison cost...??  is it available here in M'sia?
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u r 1 lucky basshead.. all these years malaysians had to import their own svs.. now got svs agent in malaysia.. pm htkaki

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post Aug 10 2009, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 10 2009, 02:28 PM)
i think he's talking about sub volume and not sub level
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sory for my noobness.. got diff 1 izt .. thought normally ppl just adjust the sub level when they want it a few db hotter during music..

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post Aug 10 2009, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 10 2009, 02:55 PM)
Aren't they the same thing?

Either adjust the volume knob at the sub, or adjust the sub trim in the AVR. Effect is the same, the bass output will be adjusted.


Added on August 10, 2009, 2:58 pm

Yup, a remote control is useful for any sub. I miss the remote function in my 12Q.
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thats what i thought too .. as long as same result at the end can liao .. but then again i am quite noob.. maybe arremie can explain
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post Aug 11 2009, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:46 AM)
Bro, it's not about they're not selling SVS, I already knew that. That's why I almost bought direct online last year but budget cut made me cancel it. Please read my post again, it's their knowledge about HT stuffs that is the problem, they never even heard SVS, not because they're not selling it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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its too common in malaysia.. they put in zero effort in updating themselves with the products araound the world.. but no harm to them.. their business will still be good..
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post Aug 11 2009, 11:50 AM

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ugly diy bass trap using pb13 utlra box n blanket
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post Aug 11 2009, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 11 2009, 11:57 AM)
bro, is it the one in the corner? your pic got so many things to see, eyes a bit blur. smile.gif

the corner one looks like pc13 ultra unless you stretch the box and it got little bit pregnant... biggrin.gif
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its not mine la.. this is some angmor's room form avs forum.. just find it funny so i post it
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post Aug 15 2009, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 14 2009, 06:48 PM)
I try out Outlander a while ago.  Good low, but I think the Golden Compass airship entering city part is much better.
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bro according to svs 13ultra forum, every1 must try the movie Pulse.. they described it as the worst movie ever made but with the scariest thumbup.gif bass in there

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post Aug 16 2009, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 16 2009, 09:13 AM)
Bro, no hard feeling on that. I guess that you are particularly talking about PC12-Plus.

I need to pay hefty tax, which is 15% + 10% sad.gif . For a registered business entity, you would not want to get caught red handed for tax evasion sweat.gif  . If you calculate based on all the price listed in SVS plus the shipping fee and the TAXES, it is almost same (PB13-Ultra price is cheaper than US). In your scenario, it is different as yours was shipped to Brunei and that you managed to pass the custom after much of your lengthy risk calculation (we could understand that as money aint easy to earn wink.gif ).

Moreover, what you are getting from me is additional service on setting up the subwoofer. If you have problem (touch wood), we can help to rectify it faster and less hassle (e.g : shipping the said defect products back to US and installing it on your own) smile.gif  smile.gif
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i would say for ppl who live in KL the price mightbe still ok, but for Nothern buyers there are quite a few questions raised by my frens..

1) how much more do we have to pay, lets say sending a pb12nsd to Penang? If we buy directly from US to Pg airport it would be rm3400 including tax.. now we have to pay rm38xx and still need to pay more transport from kl to North.

2) do i still get the 'no questions asked, we r sending a new 1 to u now' service when there is damage to the sub during local delivery.. coz this is what svs is supposed to be.. greatest service to their buyers .. if we have to wait for weeks for u to claim from the transport co then it is a big no no.

3) nothern buyers dont get any additional service from u on the spot for setting up our subwoofer.. no offence if i am going to ask for help through email i will certainly email directly to svs coz they r the real expert... and if there is problem with the sub we still have to diy..

Bro i think u need to state clearly the transport cost and what happens when there is damage to the subwoofer during local delivery.. coz these r the questions repeatedly raised by the few interested buyers from north.. at the moment they dont see y they should pay u more.. the two frens that i have spoken to prefer to wait for Sg price 1st (are they out yet?) .. they dont see any any reason buying in malaysia .. shipping faulty parts to kl and shippng faulty parts to sg is really no diff to us.. and nothern buyers still have to diy.. if they need to pay extra to send to north then they rather arrange or pay for some1 to bring in from sg coz to them they got nothing to lose.. they get a chance to avoid tax ... Anyway these are what my frens feel, maybe u can advise abt the local transport fee part and how does the warranty work during local transport.

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