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 SVS subwoofer, How many users here? Just courious

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post Aug 16 2009, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 16 2009, 04:15 PM)
It's ok  smile.gif 

1. That's why I am trying to get the cheapest transporter to get my stuff in to reduce the cost. A particular company quoted an attractive price. The catch is a 20' container. Still in negotiation process. Up north to PG, additional RM100.

2. Yes. However, customer still need to help us to do troubleshooting to identify which part failed. We shall get it replaced asap. At the moment, target is 10days.

3. Unfortunately, that's true.

4. We shall use renowned transport company / courier company to deliver it to North to minimise the risk.Of course, we need insurance to cover ourselves.

Price in Spore

PC12-NSD : SGD1,099
PC12-Plus : SGD1,850
PC13-Ultra : SGD2,750
PB13-Ultra : SGD3,099
PB12-Plus : SGD2,350*
PB12-NSD : SGD1,180*
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1)rm100 seems reasonable .. so for nothern buyers rm3900-rm4000 door to door is very fair.. that is what we abt what we had to pay if bought from US.

2)10days is quick.. as long as if the damage is done by the transporter then u r willing to replace it then i dont think there is no more worries on the buyers' side

Well everything looks good now! thumbup.gif


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post Aug 17 2009, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Aug 17 2009, 08:20 AM)
You all forgot that htkaki is getting the stocks from KEC...he is a dealer, not distributor....KEC already got a cut in the profit.....

Everyone wants things to be cheap, including me, but the reality is that, apart from the cost of the goods, there are many other things involved, think of shipping, warehouse, rental, salary, insurance, medical etc.....

If you are running a business, you would know, but if you are an engineer...good luck tongue.gif
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it is good htkaki is getting so much feedback. i agree that he has to earn.. besides some of the unreasonable complaints the rest are just opinions n suggestions.. i am sure htkaki welcomes that.. he too needs to know the markets response n plan his order n shipping.. from the feedback he knows where he stand too n it is easier for him to nego with transport co..

If we look at it from a consumer point of view, it is not one's job to care abt the obstacles faced by the seller.. his salary and rent are certainly not our business .. look at the price of pb12nsd and velodyne cht12q.. these two are almost the same price range in the states and uk but over here its around rm1k diff in price.. it clearly shows there is a lot more things that can be improved.. velodyne found a way to do it.. svs is popular bcoz of its product performance, great service, great warranty n great price... the price is certainly not great in malaysia.. i am a businessman too but i dont expect my customers to think for me.. if my competitor are selling cheaper n bigger houses than me then i just have to find my way to match them and i better find it quick..

nobody is saying htkaki has a high margin, most of us r just voicing out out opinions n most ppl are concerned abt the price... but i think the poison is just too deep liao for many of us here.. after all the complaints they will buy it too heheh..

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post Aug 17 2009, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Aug 17 2009, 10:04 AM)
try tell that to Woo Kee Hong or B&W speakers dealer here in M'sia....

I would get the 4310 & B&W CM9 if their price are same like UK price....sweat.gif
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bro i come in peace.. but svs is not supposed to be b&w .. they r supposed to be budget subwoofers i like svs becoz of their service n great price to performance ratio... they r successful bcoz of that too..

i think thre is nothing much htkaki can do to reduce the price .. i do think pb12nsd rm4k shippsed to northen region is fair.. it is not cheap.. just fair as we have to pay that price anyway if we buy door to door.. i used UK price just as an example as velodyne cht12q n pb12nsd are alomost the same price.. but when it comes to malaysia suddenly pb12nsd is rm1k more expensive.. velodyne pays bills too, rental ,salary.. wait a minute.. do they pay tax? hmm.gif

lighting .. sea freight u need volume.. if u send 10 subs through sea it will be loose cargo.. transport cost it might not be cheaper .. the only diff is sea freight u can adjust ALOT on the tax .. if u order whole container then u might save on transport cost.. but htkaki is a dealer.. not a distributor.. if order 1 container mati la..

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post Aug 18 2009, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 17 2009, 07:09 PM)
You become my supplier, ok ah?  I buy 20 units from you  tongue.gif

Updated price based on the constructive feedbacks and a cheap local transporter who can let me tumpang some space in his lorry.

SB12-Plus (Black) : RM3,750
SB12-Plus (Oak & Rosenut) : RM4,150

PB/PC12-NSD : RM3,600
PB12-Plus : RM6,430
PC12-Plus : RM5,450
PB13-Ultra : RM8,535
PC13-Ultra : RM7,699

For those Peninsula folks, if you buy any 2 units under one single order to one shipping address, all shipping cost on me. mys_terious, you may let your friend to know about it.
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pb12nsd rm4000 = fair... pb12nsd rm3600 door to door =cheap!.. cheaper than buying from the states door to door (full tax)..hastle free local warranty!!.. syabas rclxms.gif rclxms.gif lets not talk abt buying air freight tax free.. it is very hard for air freight to get tax free.... i would say htkaki has really put in some effort in reducing his price.. no point talking abt tax free stuff or buying direct from the states, its just waste of time.. local dealer has heard our feedback and have put in quite some effort in reducing the price, so if local buyers are still not satisfied then like pierreye said, just buy other brands if u feel it is as good or buy diy.. but let me remind every1,, local carpenter wont charge cheap as subby like rythmik needs alot of bracing..
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post Aug 19 2009, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 19 2009, 10:37 AM)
if got 10% off during launch, sure sold out!! cash n carry brows.gif
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i think for cash n carry, the cash part no a big problem for fellow forumers .. but to CARRY svs subs rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 19 2009, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 19 2009, 11:07 AM)
I tot u guys said sealed subs better? y everyone going for the ported PC12/13+?? rclxub.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 11:07 amshouldn't u guys go for SB13+ ?
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for movies not sure sb13+ got enuf oopmh or not
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post Aug 19 2009, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 19 2009, 11:29 AM)
It's always the price vs performance issue. US price for SB13+ is $1249 (piano black) vs $949 for PC12+. That's a 31% difference. Means the SB13+ would be about RM7.1k here. If you choose the oak/rosenut finish price would go down to 6.9k. These are my guesses.

So it's more expensive, but you're meant to get more accurate bass at the expense of output (i.e. it might not have the max SPL of the PC12+). Some more the PC12+ can run in sealed mode, but whether that is as good as a true sealed sub I don't know. Of course the one advantage you cannot ignore is the SB13+ is much smaller.
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i dont know the specs of sb13+ but i think normally small and sealed subs normally u r paying for the size than performance .. u need a monster amp to push your subby in a small sealed box
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post Aug 19 2009, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 19 2009, 11:34 AM)
ic... so sealed subs r more for tights in music & ported more for oomphs in movies...
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Yes .. there is a very general statement.. but there r sealed subs that can go respectively loud and ported subs that r tight yet loud (claimed by svs 13 ultra users.. but not sure how true r they)


Added on August 19, 2009, 11:45 am
QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 19 2009, 11:41 AM)

As for amp, the SB13+ has a 1000W amp. However, it's not necessarily true that all sealed subs need a monster amp. If the driver is light and efficient a smaller amp could work too.
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i meant generally .. u need alot of power to go low in a small and perform well sealed sub ... your rythmik how many watts

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post Aug 19 2009, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 19 2009, 11:46 AM)
In general this seems to be the thinking. But like I said there are other factors to take into account and it is possible for a sealed sub to be good in movies too (e.g. the Submersive).


Added on August 19, 2009, 11:48 am

370W. Apparently it has a light and efficient driver.
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370W? U got me there bro:) .... bro itu submersive 2 drivers in there right.. n that thing is not small.. the worst thing is the seller doesnt reply emails hahah.. just to let u guys know it is ok to spend on your sub cables but it is certainly not a must.. just get a well built 1.... read http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....=759877&page=54 last post of that page... Mark Seaton uses only usd27 for 25' cable
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post Aug 19 2009, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 19 2009, 01:20 PM)
At a towering 46" tall with a footprint of abt 18", aint easy to camouflage  sweat.gif
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ya the common thinking of smaller footprint and not so eyesore only applies when u compare with pb13ultra or those ed subs... at 46" u can only camourflage it in the dark ehehe
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post Aug 20 2009, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 19 2009, 11:09 PM)
For promotional period, I'll charge you RM150 for that. Balance on me.
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not familiar local transport insurance.. but rm150 hantar lepas laut to sabah with insurance sounds reasonable thumbup.gif

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post Aug 20 2009, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Aug 20 2009, 12:36 PM)
Yup..

Oso de airplane fly by while de kids playin cricket scene and most of de train scenes too .. oso gud is de final bollywood sing song - sumtin ho.. cool..

Its surprisingly 'hot' track for subs.. dunno why.. I mean its a drama sort of flick.. cum to tink of it Saawariya (another hindi based film) is also bass hot

Cheers
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i finally found das boot with dts.. seems to be the old must have movie.. always see it on sub testing list
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 20 2009, 04:33 PM)

And the determine whether to get the 10" or 12" would depend on the room size is it?

Thanks
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bro actually it depends of the depth of your wallet hehe... i am no pro but the pros always say no harm getting the bigger 1 if u can afford it and if u have he space to fit in your room

1) the bigger sub will do a better when u really summon it to roar
2) 1 day u might move to a bigger room then u can still use the same sub..


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post Aug 20 2009, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 20 2009, 04:43 PM)
Thanks bro.. What do you think if my room is a 12' x 18x room?

Would the 10" be suffice?


Added on August 20, 2009, 4:43 pmLol, thats because your salary keeps increasing year by year thats why tongue.gif
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bro the height of your room matter too.. kira volume.. and is your room sealed or got openings.. and r u talking abt svs 10 inch.. coz if i am right htkaki does not bring in 10 inch

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post Aug 20 2009, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 20 2009, 05:56 PM)
Thanks. I have done my research and raeding over the internet. However most of the websites states that for a subwoofer, the room size does matter! In my case, even A&L has mentioned that a 10' sub would be sufficient and 12' is too big for my room. But from your post, you are using a 15'.. From the stuff i gathered from the internet, i assume that the 12" might be too powerful for my room thats y i asked in my earlier post the difference between a 12" and 10" is just the power.

Like Dirtun has mentioned, reading can only get you so far and wanted to get the opinion of the our fellow HT bros here on their insights. I tend not to read forums from other western countries as they tend to have a huge living hall and their taste is different from ours.

Hope you do understand that i'm still new in all this and i might ask questions that might irritate you as you might be more experienced. I can take that as a learning guide but i do appreciate if you could reply in a more polite manner.
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it very hard to answer coz 'too powerful' is very subjective.. we want to help u but really not sure how loud is considered too loud for u.. but with proper calibration it certainly wont be too powerful.. it is even harder for any1 to help u if u r not specific abt which brand and model of 10inch or 12 inch... where do u live.. maybe u can go for some demos in hifi shops or forumers' house.. try not to listen too much to the salesmen in hifi shops.. make sure u come back here for advice 1st
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post Aug 21 2009, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 21 2009, 04:12 PM)
I thought the Fathom F15 was the mother of all subs
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it was for its size.. even now it is still one of the top .. especially for its small footprint .. but the price is very high.. there r only a few subs r said to be better according to subwoofer forums but they come in big sizes (i mean size of the subwoofer enclosures)
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post Aug 23 2009, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 23 2009, 06:47 PM)
The more the merrier. I'm sure if lots of us turn up in Oct, Ron will be impressed by how many people are interested in SVS.
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he will be more impressed if every1 order 1 svs on the spot:)
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post Aug 24 2009, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 24 2009, 09:24 AM)
htkaki.. i'm still using traditional GPS which is also known as "agak agak" tongue.gif

ya, just send to hsienloong, we're going together.. smile.gif
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ronnt88 r u from north? we seems to have some mutual frens in facebook.. u r ronnie ting izt?

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post Aug 24 2009, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 24 2009, 02:08 PM)
the mark seaton one doesnt look as big as the PB13.. maybe can consider this?
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svs dimension 27” D x 20.5 " W x 22" H
=12177cubic inch or 7.047cubic feet

mark seaton submersive 24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H
=10822cubic inch or 6.263cubic feet


Dual, custom designed, 15" drivers with 3" diameter voice coils
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A sealed enlcosure built from very strong and rigid Baltic Birch Plywood
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Drivers on opposing faces for a completely inert, stablized cabinet that won't walk, shake or quiver.
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A robust, high efficiency, 1,000W ICEpower based amplifier with SMPS power supply.
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Isolated balanced input eliminating common ground loop problems
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Frequency response: +/-3dB 18-200Hz - outdoor ground plane


Sorry htkaki, submersive is not shipped to malaysia and the seller doesnt entertain overseas mails so i just thought no harm letting the bass heads in malaysia see the specs.. by the way it is USD2000 for normal finish.. so if u send it to malaysia will cost u more than rm10,000 without warranty.. by the way the last time i read there is no ready stocks .. need to wait for weeks .. i think there is no website for u to view the product also hehe.. svs much better deal la for malaysian.. warranty vely important... any problem at least u can call up htkaki n scream at him.. if u buy submersive any problem u can just shout at the subwoofer...

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post Aug 24 2009, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 24 2009, 06:48 PM)
wah.. >RM10k?? forget it la.. out of budget liao tongue.gif

how much for Rhytmik Audio F15? Servo driven is good?
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bro i think we should go to 'the official subwoofer thread' if we r going to discuss any other subwoofers in details.. ini svs punya tempat ..jchong might be able to answer u there

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