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post Oct 4 2008, 07:31 PM

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Can someone open one dispute thread for me oso? The tag looks cool to put on.
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post Oct 4 2008, 10:56 PM

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If you're a conman, why not ? It certainly looks cool just below your avatar smile.gif



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post Oct 5 2008, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(White Palace @ Oct 4 2008, 07:31 PM)
Can someone open one dispute thread for me oso? The tag looks cool to put on.
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post Oct 5 2008, 11:13 AM

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Because crazymouse is a moderator so ppl give her/him/it exception. Excuse such as busy and family problem are acceptable.

So all you can do is wait.

Last Active 29th September 2008 - 11:48 PM
Today is 05 October 2008

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post Oct 6 2008, 12:35 AM

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He / She still didnt online yet ??? so u all planning wait until wat time ??????
look so weird - until now he / she didnt online hmm.gif
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post Oct 6 2008, 01:07 AM

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post Oct 6 2008, 01:20 AM

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Sorry to interfere..
But there's something to say..

We know crazymouse..
She's supposed to be always online wan...
When we first questioned this matter (in Pets Wonderland) she was online but never did say anything too..
Before this, if anyone tries to bad name her product she'll scold wan..
She very fast...

But this time, she choose to keep quite then suddenly not coming online..

And the other thing is, Reanne at Pets Wonderland was protecting crazymouse, but suddenly here she acted so innocent.. why? it has nothing to do but i'm just wondering..
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post Oct 6 2008, 01:26 AM

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what 2 do moderator get expect ion. If u use excuse as busy ppl report u to police. Life is unfair accept that
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post Oct 6 2008, 02:03 AM

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Since you're wondering about that, I've been her customer for more than 2 years and feeding my gliders her mix since then. My gliders are doing very well and my Billie is currently 102g and she had been feeding on the slurp since she was a little joey. So I do not believe that her product is bad and contains anything harmful. I also do know most of the ingredients she uses and it's all human grade, some of the ingredients I actually did eat very often when I was in high school.

However, if it really does contain any harmful substances, I would like to know too cuz my gliders would be affected as well.

I also do recall, she does MIA from the forum from time to time. There were few times she didn't come online for more than a month or a few weeks. You can ask her customers as they sometimes wait for her to come online or contact her via calling/sms.

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post Oct 6 2008, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(Reanne @ Oct 6 2008, 02:03 AM)
Since you're wondering about that, I've been her customer for more than 2 years and feeding my gliders her mix since then. My gliders are doing very well and my Billie is currently 102g and she had been feeding on the slurp since she was a little joey. So I do not believe that her product is bad and contains anything harmful. I also do know most of the ingredients she uses and it's all human grade, some of the ingredients I actually did eat very often when I was in high school.

However, if it really does contain any harmful substances, I would like to know too cuz my gliders would be affected as well.

I also do recall, she does MIA from the forum from time to time. There were few times she didn't come online for more than a month or a few weeks. You can ask her customers as they sometimes wait for her to come online or contact her via calling/sms.
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when people talk bad about her product, she wont MIA.. trust me..
same like when hazzy posted about this in the sugar glider thread..
she straight away come online.. but never posted..

again, we want explanation from crazymouse_yyh.. not you Reanne..
we know you're her partner.. no need to explain partner in what..


p/s- I think i've read somewhere you say u make your own.. cant remember where.. but just let it be.. we dowan Reanne's story.. we're still waiting for crazymouse_yyh...

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post Oct 6 2008, 03:05 AM

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I do make my own but only when I can't get from her. I'm her partner in gliders, not her slurp. The only time I ever did have anything to do with her slurp was helping her deliver to Pet Shack once when she was late for class.

This is my own story about her slurp, whether you want it or not has nothing to do with me or her as it's feedback as a customer regarding this case.

Let's all wait together then.
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post Oct 6 2008, 05:36 AM

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well ...i never seen hun goes offline more than two days ..so this kinda weird .. for her to offline this long .. either she really have a problem or trying to avoid.. not going to say anything unless i have proof ..im really concern about this as well .. my gliders been feeding this since they are joey .. its more than 1 year and a half ! ... if there's really something harmful, i REALLLYYY want to know ... will wait for her explanation ...
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*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

I wouldn't even take Hazzy's report as anywhere near to being conclusive. i don't know why you guys even have the gut to even hold it as PROOF that it's poisonous.

when no one on this forum so far is able to prove that 0.22ppm of cyanide is dangerous in the first place. from what I see, all you guys are doing is keep holding that 0.22ppm on the test result and assuming it's dangerous.

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Introduction

Cyanides are both man-made and naturally occurring substances. They are found in a number of foods and plants and are produced by certain bacteria, fungi, and algae. Very small amounts of cyanide, in the form of vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin), are a necessary part of the human diet.


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The government has made recommendations to limit the exposure of the general public to cyanide in food and the exposure of workers to cyanide in the workplace. Hydrogen cyanide is sometimes used to treat food after it is harvested to prevent pest damage. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) allows levels of cyanide in food ranging from 25 ppm in dried beans, peas, and nuts to 250 ppm in spices.


http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/cyanide-89.shtml

so please, can you guys tell me what does 0.22ppm here mean?

did the lab even say dangerous? or is it Hazzy just jumping to his own conclusion and the rest just ridiculously buying it?

*i understand that we're referring to SGs, my point (in case you guys didn't get it) is whether there's actual proof that it is dangerous for SG in the first place?* I've seen the SG thread and it was ridiculous on how some people were pissed or start showing appalling behavior on their posts when they don't even know what the report is talking about. So unless you're some chemical expert who understand what the report actually meant, please don't jump into conclusion.

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post Oct 6 2008, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Oct 2 2008, 09:58 AM)
Cyanide may not contain in all SLURP, if there is no seed which contain Cyanide,  but can you explain the calcium: phosphoros part?? the Calcium: phosphoros with that ratio will same do harm and kill the sugar glier after sometime.  Which maker always claim there are added calcium supplement.  Repeat again. both Ca:P and cyanide do not kill the animal immediately.

And AGAIN I repeat, Lab only give anaylsis, they don't give you statement.  the Lab result is for you to read and you have to do  your own study.  if the SLURP is feed to a HUMAN there is no harm at all.  How the lab know who will Hazzy feed the Slurp to??

I hope this is a serious thread in Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner, which I don't need to repeat and repeat my statement like talking to a kid in the Sugar Glider Thread.  Please READ all the post, do not pick or ignore those you don't want to answer or you canot answer.

You can question Hazzy, you can question the lab report(the paper), but i canot imagin that you can be so childish until you can question the Lab.  I guess NON OF US here is more professional that the Chemis in the Lab.

I think we should keep this thread clean, only for the SLURP maker and SLURP buyer,  NON of us should post or say anything as NON can 100% sure what is in SLURP.  Its time to SHUT UP our mouth now.  Although my glider was feed with Slurp before, but i don't think i can question much. as some people are too sensetive here.
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QUOTE(White Palace @ Sep 30 2008, 01:05 AM)
QUOTE(White Palace @ Sep 30 2008, 01:05 AM)
Deaths in animals have been reported at exposure levels ranging from 20 ppm for 4.5 hours to 503 ppm for 5 minutes. Heart effects in rats have been reported following exposure at 200 ppm for 12.5 minutes.
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animals will known as ANIMALS.

sorry Yang that I quote your post, I don't mean to quote you, I just want to quote the info in the post, Not against you.

- 20ppm cynide can kill ANIMALS in 4.5hours. we need to know the body weight for the ANIAMALS.
- no one know how much cyanide can Sugar Glider tolerate.
- less assump the ANIMALS in this statement is 10kg ( the ANIMALS maybe more than 10kgs, like lion, dogs and etc).
- Take the local Sugar Glider average body weight, should we say 90g?

10,000g (10kgs) - 20ppm
90g - 0.18ppm

* 0.22ppm is it risky to the Sugar Glider its up to your judge.

- Low dosage of Cyanide will not kill immediately, but it accumulates inside the body system. Say a Sugar Glider can live for 10 – 15 years, but it may die once the accumulation is at the fatal lever at 5 years. So stop asking if any Sugar Glider was kill up to date.

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Calcium : Phosphorus (Ca : P)
Put the Cyanide issue a side, think about the Ca : P ratio 2:1, this is same important to Sugar Glider.

Sugar Glider will draw their own calcium from their own bone when there is not enough calcium intakes from their food. Next they will be paralysis and die, its same harmful, again this will not happen in 1 or 2 years.


QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2008, 06:06 AM)
*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

I wouldn't even take Hazzy's report as anywhere near to being conclusive. i don't know why you guys even have the gut to even hold it as PROOF that it's poisonous.

when no one on this forum so far is able to prove that 0.22ppm of cyanide is dangerous in the first place. from what I see, all you guys are doing is keep holding that 0.22ppm on the test result and assuming it's dangerous.
http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/cyanide-89.shtml

so please, can you guys tell me what does 0.22ppm here mean?

did the lab even say dangerous? or is it Hazzy just jumping to his own conclusion and the rest just ridiculously buying it?

*i understand that we're referring to SGs, my point (in case you guys didn't get it) is whether there's actual proof that it is dangerous for SG in the first place?* I've seen the SG thread and it was ridiculous on how some people were pissed or start showing appalling behavior on their posts when they don't even know what the report is talking about. So unless you're some chemical expert who understand what the report actually meant, please don't jump into conclusion.
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Hi goldfries, sorry the old suggie thread is close, i canot quote it properly. i guess i will repeat here again. cos not everyone read in glider thread. most of Crazymouse's customer can accept the cyanide occur is cos by negligent, even it can be like those ppl who speck out for crazymouse while crazymouse MIA, the sample Hazzy sent was contaminated. But how to explainthe calcium : phosphoros ratio?, which do the same harm and sugar glider can be kill indirectly from lack of calcium. Which you can refer to her sale thread. it is stated CALCIUM SUPPLEMENT ADDED. sad.gif

FYI, for human. if we eat a jar of apple seeds, we can be kill. compare our body weight and a sugar glider weight. so is it dangerous level. its up to ur judge.

and again, forcus the point at the calcium: phophoros.

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QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Oct 6 2008, 11:08 AM)
Hi goldfries, sorry the old suggie thread is close, i canot quote it properly.  i guess i will repeat here again. cos not everyone read in glider thread.  most of Crazymouse's customer can accept the cyanide occur is cos by negligent, even it can be like those ppl who speck out for crazymouse while crazymouse MIA, the sample Hazzy sent was contaminated.  .....
as i mentioned

*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

biggrin.gif that's all. because as i read the thread before, i noticed a lot of people jumped the gun when not even clear of anything.

but i do understand the concern for the Calcium : Phosphorus (Ca : P) ratio.

btw is there a renowned SG nutritionist expert that people can really refer to?
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post Oct 6 2008, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2008, 12:13 PM)
as i mentioned

*my post is regarding the cyanide part in reference to the multipaged squabble in the SG thread*

biggrin.gif that's all. because as i read the thread before, i noticed a lot of people jumped the gun when not even clear of anything.

but i do understand the concern for the Calcium : Phosphorus (Ca : P) ratio.

btw is there a renowned SG nutritionist expert that people can really refer to?
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not sure if m'sia have any, but i don't know any tongue.gif, m'sia pets line is way behind other countries. and SG is still new in here. but i do have a plan to find out the Cal: Ph ratio in SG diet. may i pm u to talk about it? so we may find out more.

cos i am sure u can see alot of ppl say they canot trust this n that. of cos, we canot help if ppl don't care their pets, n those who object Hazzy non willing to dig out some fund to do futher anaylsis. for the animals and newbies good sake. i willing to do that. but i am sure some ppl are very sensitive in this. i really need a middle man in the whole process.

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no point PMing me la. not even 10% of being SG expert and barely 1% a nutritionist. tongue.gif

i just clever in using Google. haha.

of course i played with SG's before la, courtesy of Hun and whoever else i come by. tempted to keep them also.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2008, 01:57 PM)
no point PMing me la. not even 10% of being SG expert and barely 1% a nutritionist. tongue.gif

i just clever in using Google. haha.

of course i played with SG's before la, courtesy of Hun and whoever else i come by. tempted to keep them also.
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i don't need a nutritionist though. but someone that can be trust by the newbie..

maybe i am abit lebeh.. but i really hope that newbie will not get mislead by the title of mod, if this is the true.
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its been sometimes after Hazzy posted the lab result...

but until now, we r still waiting for Hun(crazymouse) explanation...

we gonna wait until when..??

tmr n tmr n tmr...

or year after years...??

seem like she avoiding...

or maybe she got family problem...

even thou got family problem, its not difficult to online...

dont tell me she need to ask her parents permission before get online...

please la....!!
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QUOTE(tee_jay @ Oct 6 2008, 05:02 PM)
its been sometimes after Hazzy posted the lab result...

but until now, we r still waiting for Hun(crazymouse) explanation...

we gonna wait until when..??

tmr n tmr n tmr...

or year after years...??

seem like she avoiding...

or maybe she got family problem...

even thou got family problem, its not difficult  to online...

dont tell me she need to ask her parents permission before get online...

please la....!!
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