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Home Theatre LCD and Plasma TV Discussion Thread | V3, Which is right for you?

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post Sep 10 2008, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(gsdev @ Sep 10 2008, 10:27 AM)
This one I have to admit i am still not very certain. I have a PV80H which is only HD 720P panel not Full HD 1080P but it can receive 1080P input into the set. In fact if the input is 1080P the picture is better. So i beleive the Panny down scales the 1080P to 720P. Correct me if i am wrong.  hmm.gif

Did not plan out for a Full HD as i am not planning to go with Blu-Ray yet...only when prices are down to earth including the media.
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There should be a display/info button where you can see the resolution.

1080p feeds will be downscaled to 720p or interlaced as 1080i for non full HD displays.
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post Sep 10 2008, 11:06 AM

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The PV80 upscales everything to 1080p before rescaling to fit the screen (768p + 2.5% overscan). So the best feed to give it IS 1080p to avoid the set having to rescale twice.

If you feed it 720p, it will still be upscaled to 1080p before downscaling to 768. That's just the way Panasonic has designed this TV.

I got that off some technical discussions on the PX80/PV80 on AVS and AVForums.

My own testing, 1080p is more detailed than 720p. In fact a 720p feed from the Panny S54 is softer than just feeding it 480i (TV does all the scaling). But 1080p is better than 480i.
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post Sep 10 2008, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(99below0 @ Sep 10 2008, 11:06 AM)
The PV80 upscales everything to 1080p before rescaling to fit the screen (768p + 2.5% overscan). So the best feed to give it IS 1080p to avoid the set having to rescale twice.

If you feed it 720p, it will still be upscaled to 1080p before downscaling to 768. That's just the way Panasonic has designed this TV.

I got that off some technical discussions on the PX80/PV80 on AVS and AVForums.

My own testing, 1080p is more detailed than 720p. In fact a 720p feed from the Panny S54 is softer than just feeding it 480i (TV does all the scaling). But 1080p is better than 480i.
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Ok thanks for the info. Agreed the picture is much better with 1080P input. Thats whay i got my self an Upscaling HDMI DVDP for my DVD's and have to say for the price point the PQ is very good...


Added on September 10, 2008, 11:14 am
QUOTE(aiman04 @ Sep 10 2008, 10:59 AM)
There should be a display/info button where you can see the resolution.

1080p feeds will be downscaled to 720p or interlaced as 1080i for non full HD displays.
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Initially when the HDMI input is selected it shows the input 480P or 1080P

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post Sep 10 2008, 11:23 AM

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If the DVDP already upscale to 1080p, then the TV rescale to fit the screen, that means rescaling still happens twice. First at the DVDP then the TV.

Why bother to have an upscaling DVDP in the first place? tongue.gif

Time to move to BD, 1080p source all the way. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 10 2008, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Sep 10 2008, 11:23 AM)
If the DVDP already upscale to 1080p, then the TV rescale to fit the screen, that means rescaling still happens twice. First at the DVDP then the TV.

Why bother to have an upscaling DVDP in the first place? tongue.gif

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Err, because the DVDP Upscaller is tad better tongue.gif

BD's are not an option for me...too $$$

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post Sep 10 2008, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Sep 10 2008, 10:12 AM)
I think you can still watch movie in 1080p if your tv is only in 720p resolution.

I have once saw the panny pv-8 displayed superb picture quality when feeded with blu ray disc in one of the panny promotion fair recently. Its PQ is much better compared to normal dvd play. Again, if viewing distance is within 6 feet I guess. If too far apart, eveything you see is about the same. Be it a FULL hd, HALF hd, SEMI hd or whatever D.....all will look just a square picture projected from a square frame.  rclxm9.gif  However, this is when you really get into the movie not just everytime do the "audition" instead of watching movie.

So, conclusion is if you have longer viewing distance or wanna to benefit from a good story movie, dont bother investing your hardcore money into Full hd tv. Better invest into sound system coz no matter how far you sit, you can still enjoy DD5.1, DTS, DTS-HD, DSP etc etc......provided you have a good receiver. The digital surround can still shooting around behind you with crystal clear effect.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yup.. I absolutely agree... put more money into the sound system..


Added on September 10, 2008, 12:34 pm
QUOTE(gsdev @ Sep 10 2008, 12:05 PM)
Err, because the DVDP Upscaller is tad better  tongue.gif

BD's are not an option for me...too $$$
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Yup $$$ seems the only limiting factor for BD... and also we can find some ehem DVD claimed as transferred from BD at much cheaper price. I do find it to be superior from DVD9 but I don't know whether it is BD-transfer. I don't have BD player nor BD to confirm. unsure.gif

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QUOTE(aiz1j @ Sep 10 2008, 12:27 PM)
Yup.. I absolutely agree... put more money into the sound system..


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Yup $$$ seems the only limiting factor for BD... and also we can find some ehem DVD claimed as transferred from BD at much cheaper price. I do find it to be superior from DVD9 but I don't know whether it is BD-transfer. I don't have BD player nor BD to confirm. unsure.gif
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Our *ahem* BDs are just dual-layer rips from actual BDs. I have a few copies of the same movie on both DVD9 and the BD rips, and I find the DVD9 pic cleaner. DVD9s are direct copies from the real deal, while the BD rips are, well, rips. You'll always lose something during rips.

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post Sep 10 2008, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(99below0 @ Sep 10 2008, 01:49 PM)
Our *ahem* BDs are just dual-layer rips from actual BDs. I have a few copies of the same movie on both DVD9 and the BD rips, and I find the DVD9 pic cleaner. DVD9s are direct copies from the real deal, while the BD rips are, well, rips. You'll always lose something during rips.
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I guess they will have to compress the video to lower resolution to fit in a DVD 9. So in summary better to just get the DVD9 unless you go for the actual BD's $$$
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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Sep 10 2008, 11:12 AM)
I think you can still watch movie in 1080p if your tv is only in 720p resolution.

I have once saw the panny pv-8 displayed superb picture quality when feeded with blu ray disc in one of the panny promotion fair recently. Its PQ is much better compared to normal dvd play. Again, if viewing distance is within 6 feet I guess. If too far apart, eveything you see is about the same. Be it a FULL hd, HALF hd, SEMI hd or whatever D.....all will look just a square picture projected from a square frame.  rclxm9.gif  However, this is when you really get into the movie not just everytime do the "audition" instead of watching movie.

So, conclusion is if you have longer viewing distance or wanna to benefit from a good story movie, dont bother investing your hardcore money into Full hd tv. Better invest into sound system coz no matter how far you sit, you can still enjoy DD5.1, DTS, DTS-HD, DSP etc etc......provided you have a good receiver. The digital surround can still shooting around behind you with crystal clear effect.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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thanks for your explain.

currently using a 29" 480p TV @ 550cm viewing distance. doh.gif

So i guess 40" wont be enough for the screen right ( according to the chart) ? but the budget cant get 50" TV . around 4.5k-5k.
40" would be enough for my family IMO.. hmm.gif

for the viewing distance above , a HD and a Full HD dont give big different right. if so , i think grab HD is just enough... what brand you guys recommended ?

Samsung L4 series any good ?
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QUOTE(gsdev @ Sep 10 2008, 03:00 PM)
I guess they will have to compress the video to lower resolution to fit in a DVD 9. So in summary better to just get the DVD9 unless you go for the actual BD's $$$
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The resolution is there, just that the compression blocks are a bit rougher. Original DVD9 are professionally mastered and BD rips are just hack jobs on some young hacker's PC, and dependent on whatever commercial ripping program they are using. Surely cannot beat a multi-million dollar hollywood studio... tongue.gif
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Whatever the resolution the source is, 1080p, 720p, when they converted to DVD format, they will be downgraded to 480p.

Unless they copy it directly as 1080p DiVX/WMV file (but I doubt any DVD player can read DiVX HD/WMV HD file, or MKV for that matter).
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post Sep 10 2008, 04:58 PM

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I tried before converting my 720p movie file to DVD format. The picture is far better than normal dvd purchase from store. I think it will make a difference.
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ Sep 10 2008, 04:58 PM)
I tried before converting my 720p movie file to DVD format. The picture is far better than normal dvd purchase from store. I think it will make a difference.
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Yeah, it will probably look better for the vivid colors, cleaned image done during the transfer process from film to digital by the studio. But the details will definitely be lost because it will still be 480p.
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those D9 "blu-ray" does comes with better audio....the 1.5mbps track, so it does sound better too.... tongue.gif
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bro , any good 40" HDTV recommend ? tongue.gif

budget Rm4.5k-5k around
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How abt Samsung LA40A550 Full HD LCD TV at abt RM4,150?

D9 has larger space compared to the conventional DVD (4.7GB). It can store more data in it. Hence, less compressed, which translates to better AQ and most probably PQ.

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post Sep 10 2008, 10:20 PM

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Bro Htkaki..
im newbie here..
you sell HDTVs rite?i can see from the iklan at ur post...
so may i know ur shop?
so that i can visit...
btw do u have price on the new samsung plasma TV 42' A450P1..
i think thats the latest model of plasma TV for 42' rite?
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post Sep 10 2008, 10:39 PM

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We better discuss via PM, bro wink.gif
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Hi, can anyone tell me where to buy plasma tv wall mount bracket in KL? The tv is 42". If can I want to buy like this --> TV mount bracket <-- or anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Eyern @ Sep 11 2008, 06:15 AM)
Hi, can anyone tell me where to buy plasma tv wall mount bracket in KL? The tv is 42". If can I want to buy like this --> TV mount bracket <-- or anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it notworthy.gif
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