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post Dec 24 2008, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(arct @ Dec 24 2008, 12:46 AM)
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ok bro..

now start with intake fan..
i not sure how well ur intake fan working.. do u fell the air blow strong for the intake fan?? if strong enuf thn should be ok for intake part..

**how should say strong or nt the air blow..?? mayb u can try on mid-high CMF fan, hv a feel by ur own hand on any 70 and above CMF fan air blow..
whn u r close side panel, intake fresh air ply important role for it.. but u mension even open casing the temp still the same, thn should not be the intake prob, i guess..

so next part come to exhaust part..
ur casing hv quite many exhaust fan, so if low CMF oso may will be ok, i thk....

the only critical part is ur cooler 92mm pull exhaust fan, will it hv a crash with ur 2x80mm fan?
coz it is mount at center of thm, i nvr try this b4, so i dunoe how well it working..

incase ur 2x80mm fan unable to pull all the hot air(frm 92mm fan) out, thn it will recycle inside ur casing..
so u can hv a try by ur hand at bside 2x80mm and 92mm(pull), c either got air blow out to side part or not...
if lot of air blowing to side, mean ur 2x80mm does not working well their job..

**pls upload ur temp ss here as reference...

now for the TIM apply part
i noe u will follow the step wat in the guide, so do u make sure oledi ur TIM apply's coverage area? do it cover all ur proc??
-for this u can check whn u apply it, aft u done clip/screw ur cooler, thn u try to take it out, so u can make sure ur TIM's coverage area,
if the coverage is ok, thn should not be a prob.. nod.gif

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post Dec 24 2008, 01:38 AM

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my front case fan is a high flow fan. according to specs, at 12v it could push 103cfm. but since its kinda loud i've mod it with 3 way switch so it could run at quieter 5v mode. i've tried with 12v and 5v during stress test. cpu temp wont change much but mobo temp will drop a one or couple degrees when running at 12v mode.

i tried with either one or both of my 80mm fans off. when either one or both of the 80mm fans are off, there's a noticable / feelable air pressure coming out from the side in between the 92mm and the 80mm fans. when both 80mm fans were on the effect is gone. so i guess the 2 fans are exhausting the way they should be.

i did remount my hsf again cuz i try to interhange the pwm connectors of my two 92mm fans. the tim was well covered as i can see (i did the proc size markings like the guide did too and the coverage is alright).

i guess in the end maybe my hsf isnt really that good afterall. (jeez, in frostytech the temp of this hsf is one of the top ten tho..) or maybe its my capalang casing. cry.gif (which is another reason why i bought this hsf becaues it has lower profile... i couldnt buy any hsf higher than 150mm cuz my casing is very narrow... sweat.gif cry.gif )

will try to stress my comp tonight and record temps.

anyway thanks! thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

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post Dec 24 2008, 03:26 AM

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QUOTE(arct @ Dec 24 2008, 01:38 AM)
my front case fan is a high flow fan. according to specs, at 12v it could push 103cfm. but since its kinda loud i've mod it with 3 way switch so it could run at quieter 5v mode. i've tried with 12v and 5v during stress test. cpu temp wont change much but mobo temp will drop a one or couple degrees when running at 12v mode.

i tried with either one or both of my 80mm fans off. when either one or both of the 80mm fans are off, there's a noticable / feelable air pressure coming out from the side in between the 92mm and the 80mm fans. when both 80mm fans were on the effect is gone. so i guess the 2 fans are exhausting the way they should be.

i did remount my hsf again cuz i try to interhange the pwm connectors of my two 92mm fans. the tim was well covered as i can see (i did the proc size markings like the guide did too and the coverage is alright).

i guess in the end maybe my hsf isnt really that good afterall. (jeez, in frostytech the temp of this hsf is one of the top ten tho..) or maybe its my capalang casing.  cry.gif (which is another reason why i bought this hsf becaues it has lower profile... i couldnt buy any hsf higher than 150mm cuz my casing is very narrow...  sweat.gif   cry.gif )

will try to stress my comp tonight and record temps.

anyway thanks!  thumbup.gif   notworthy.gif
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  • high CMF fan not mean it really can push such high CMF of air, it depent on ur casing, if ur casing dun hv such big hole for it, mean it still cnt push such high CMF even run at full speed, where it only end with noise, this u can try it out by take it out run at open space and inside casing.. if ur casing hv the hole for it, thn should be okie.
  • if both of 80mm fan working well, it should be alrite..
  • TIM oso covered well thumbup.gif
  • ur HSF not that good??
    this i cnt ans u, coz u dun post any ss here, even idle temp, i noe ntg with ur cpu temp, no comment on it laugh.gif
  • top ten? this depend u view on which cooler, if u view on 964, thn the result was last time result, not the updated result, u need view on latest cooler, there u will noe the actual placement of 964.. wink.gif

**964 review result frm frostytech, for intel>> 150W is 18.8c above ambient temp, 85w is 11.6c above ambient.. OC will increase the TDP anyway..

btw, me oso using cheapo casing, so i'm thking wana upgrate my casing soon, grab CM690 mayb, good airflow.. brows.gif

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post Dec 24 2008, 01:37 PM

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arct / xigmatek sd-964 / tuniq tx2 / intel e6750 G0 @ 3.2Ghz (20 % overclock) / in bios vcore set to "normal"; EIST and C1E enabled / xigmatek stock 92mm fan and nmb 92mm (push-pull config) / idle: 34C / load: 54C / non-AirCond / OCCT V2.0.1

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post Dec 24 2008, 01:47 PM

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That's a very good result with a 9cm cooler! Mine is around 54'C for 1.3vcore.
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post Dec 24 2008, 01:52 PM

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but the thing is, it is no difference with my previously used stock xigmatek thermal paste and one push fan config. so financial wisely i just spent rm18 for tuniq tx2 and rm20 for the nmb 92mm fan.
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post Dec 24 2008, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(arct @ Dec 24 2008, 01:52 PM)
but the thing is, it is no difference with my previously used stock xigmatek thermal paste and one push fan config. so financial wisely i just spent rm18 for tuniq tx2 and rm20 for the nmb 92mm fan.
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bro.. ur result oledi good enuf... i tod ur result bad... sweat.gif sweat.gif like this tough to improve lo... ur pull fan CMF> push CMF? normally ppl use pull CMF> push CMF make it more effective cooling, and i nvr try on this, mayb u can try it out thumbup.gif
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frm ur fan photo setting, nmb as pull config, it should be in higher cmf thn xigmatek push, so i oso no idea how come cnt improve, mayb that is ur cooler limit hmm.gif
if u hardworking, u take every thing out of casing, try it on open space, thn u will c wat happen actually.. smile.gif

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hmm.gif Can Achilles fit one more fan for pull? Anyway, can someone give me a good way to take off the fan from Achilles? Wanna wash it doh.gif

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post Dec 24 2008, 04:11 PM

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hehe i oc my e6750 to 3.7ghz 49c load biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Dec 24 2008, 03:47 PM)
hmm.gif Can Achilles fit one more fan for pull? Anyway, can someone give me a good way to take off the fan from Achilles? Wanna wash it doh.gif
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Achilles dun come with double fan supported, but if u wana mount 1 more fan mayb js use cable tide , tide it on ur HSF laugh.gif as wat i test on the xigmatek AIO last time.. tongue.gif

for disamble ur fan, i dun own any HSF similar so i dunoe the corect way to take it off.. but due to my view on the photo, i dun saw any screw.. only the anti-vibration rubber, so i thk u js oni twis the rubber to horizontal, it should can take out oledi... if i'm wrong pls corect me laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cdlim87 @ Dec 24 2008, 03:33 PM)
bro.. ur result oledi good enuf... i tod ur result bad... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  like this tough to improve lo... ur pull fan CMF> push CMF? normally ppl use pull CMF> push CMF make it more effective cooling, and i nvr try on this, mayb u can try it out thumbup.gif
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frm ur fan photo setting, nmb as pull config, it should be in higher cmf thn xigmatek push, so i oso no idea how come cnt improve, mayb that is ur cooler limit hmm.gif 
if u hardworking, u take every thing out of casing, try it on open space, thn u will c wat happen actually.. smile.gif
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both my pull and push fans were pwm controlled. the rpm are kinda similiar depends on my proc and mobo voltage / temp. but most the time my pull fan is slightly faster than my push fan. but since its a thicker fan compared to my push fan i assume its pulling more cfm than my push fan. hmmm will maybe consider lapping when my proc warranty is finished.


QUOTE(cdlim87 @ Dec 24 2008, 04:13 PM)
Achilles dun come with double fan supported, but if u wana mount 1 more fan mayb js use cable tide , tide it on ur HSF laugh.gif  as wat i test on the xigmatek AIO last time.. tongue.gif

for disamble ur fan, i dun own any HSF similar so i dunoe the corect way to take it off.. but due to my view on the photo, i dun saw any screw.. only the anti-vibration rubber, so i thk u js oni twis the rubber to horizontal, it should can take out oledi... if i'm wrong pls corect me laugh.gif
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its the same way how u put the fan onto the hsf. just push and pull the other way from the way u put it in.

@teamloks
nice! how you do that?? 3.7ghz and its only 49c load.

and i cant oc to 3.6ghz (which i want to). my proc is only stable when vcore is set to 1.444... which is abit high i think. i see some forumers with e6750 could hit 3.6ghz with less than 1.4v... how do you guys do that?
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check my post a few pages back
i attached a string to the the rubber gromet to ease wen removing it
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post Dec 25 2008, 06:44 PM

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ok nah this my result


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post Dec 25 2008, 06:57 PM

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btw what's the difference between realtemp and coretemp?

realtemp shows 5 degrees less than my coretemp.

@teamloks

wuuu nowonder, ure using E0 stepping e6750... cry.gif

-added- hey wait, why there's 10 degree difference btwn ur cpu temp on ur bio watch and coretemp?

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post Dec 26 2008, 01:18 AM

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@arct

try using OCCT
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post Dec 26 2008, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(xelnamikaze @ Dec 26 2008, 01:18 AM)
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try using OCCT
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im using occt, i have orthos, everest, etc etc too.

from what i see; occt, everest and coretemps' cpu temperature all shows the same reading. why realtemp's temp shows 5 degrees less? so which is more accurate as i see some forumers here use realtemp's reading.
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you might want to read this thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/666785

basically intel's multi core CPU doesn't provide exact reading of the core temperature, it will only provide relative value to the TjMax (distance/delta to TjMax)

eg. say if the core give a reading of 40 to TjMax, depending on the value of TjMax the software is using, it will give different temp reading. RealTemp is using 95c TjMax for 45mm cpu, so it will report core temp of 55c (95c - 40)
CoreTemp and SpeedFan are using 100c for TjMax, thus give reading of 60c (100c - 40)

previously there were argument what's the actual TjMax of C2D/C2Q and different software is using different value but i think not long ago intel has just published the actual value which is 100c for 45mm cpu so CoreTemp and SpeedFan's reading is more accurate (correct me if i'm wrong)

you can actually adjust the TjMax of RealTemp as to provide more accurate temp reading, or you can just display the delta to TjMax to know how far away the temperature is still safe to go


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QUOTE(kuanhon @ Dec 26 2008, 11:57 AM)
you might want to read this thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/666785

basically intel's multi core CPU doesn't provide exact reading of the core temperature, it will only provide relative value to the TjMax (distance/delta to TjMax)

eg. say if the core give a reading of 40 to TjMax, depending on the value of TjMax the software is using, it will give different temp reading. RealTemp is using 95c TjMax for 45mm cpu, so it will report core temp of 55c (95c - 40)
CoreTemp and SpeedFan are using 100c for TjMax, thus give reading of 60c (100c - 40)

previously there were argument what's the actual TjMax of C2D/C2Q and different software is using different value but i think not long ago intel has just published the actual value which is 100c for 45mm cpu so CoreTemp and SpeedFan's reading is more accurate (correct me if i'm wrong)

you can actually adjust the TjMax of RealTemp as to provide more accurate temp reading, or you can just display the delta to TjMax to know how far away the temperature is still safe to go
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thanks! but im using e6750 which is a 65nm proc, did intel mention anything bout its tjmax temp? thank again.
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I wonder what will happen if we paint the heatsink heatpipes?

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