I have friends to play but it's just that overall community put me off from playing.

Besides,RPG gameplay just isnt my type,in general.

sorry to interupt...
let just say instead of dota...u now playing the game of life

your parent quit on you, your sibling quit on you,
your freinds, bf/gf, tutor...just say the world quit on you
wat you gonna do?...beat them up also?...

if no, y not?...cos they quit the game...
similarly in dota ppl just quit cos either they noob or watever reason
imo...jus rant it n let it go...

btw if ppl do follow rules there wont be so many crime happening either
so just have fun lo

So can i conclude this???

Theres no Reason for anyone to wack anybody because of dota... no matter if its leaver,insulter and others...


Oh yea .. eh Mr.quick' ... you dint read my post on why wacking leaver is stupid ah ???

My previous post ... i explained CLEARLY 100% on leaver doesnt deserve to be abused...


If anyone could tell me why Leaver should be abused [reallife-scolding,hitting.. etc]
i will gladly debate with you ^^

you mean this?
sorry,your whole essay is kinda messy...so i dont even know which is your key points

if its not
ive already madee my last stand in my last post...now ive read your whole post,did u read mine?

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 11:02 PM

No... thats not my main point on leaver ... my main point is with the font size enlarged.....


Yes .. i did read your post... you are like writing a report or something ... its long .. very long [definately longer than mine]


I know ur not the guy who wacks people up ... and i know your trying to say leaving dota is bad ... and also you are trying to say that altough you dont wack people ... you still support support them leaver getting wack[dont deny it.... cause 3 post from you showing your supporting .. but later on after getting quote by several poster... your statement is changing towards it]
and from what i see... you are realy taking this game serious dude... by mentioning about the Rules[dunno yes anot set by u] of it..

Actualy ... i just want to know ... why cant people realize DotA as JUST A GAME ... they are taking it way too seriously ....

some genious i saw here even call it sport ....i think it was silencestorm88

sport is defined "An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively."

Physical exertion. not mental exertion...... you dont sit in your butt clicking the mouse as SPORT.....

If you think DotA as a sport.....

so i guess when your Doctor advise you to be involve in more sport.... i think the 1st thing came in your mind was "Ok, Ill play dota 6hrs aday, 2hrs CS, 2hrs COD... i will definately become like Micheal Phelps..."

And when your Friend or PE teacher ask "what sports you play??"

So.. you gonna answer... "I play DotA, CS and also COD ... you can see me training hard at Cyber Cafe .... And some people even call me a professional DotA player"

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 3 2008, 11:45 PM

okay obviously u nv read my post well enough,im not saying u did not..but not clear enough
i nv said everyone deserves whacking..i only said "certain type of leavers" like i mentioned in my previous post
the act of constantly leaving for fun....did u read this?i assume u did not since u nv mentioned anything about it.
Is this sufficient to your understanding?u sound asthough ure putting words in my mouth asthough im saying everyone deserved whacking...read carefully,if you want to debate



likewise. if ure serious, ill also be serious..commitement in debate,you cant blame me for that
by opening this thread itself..you already mean serious discussion,dont you?otherwise u wouldnt even bother opening this thread
further ellaborting about the rules,you yourself is living by the rules.....i assume ure not a leaver with the way u stand up for yourself
WHY when people leave onlypeople start cursing bad words like cb,f***,noob etc etc? why dont they just ignore it,like you also said,ull be piss..its because people despise leavers and thats a fact
when i mentioned "so called rules" i dont mean real written rules BUT RULES PRACTISED by majority of dota players,and thats a fact.
its like a hidden rules that most of the long term dota community "pandai pandai tahu" its like in them already
people practised to stay in a game till the end...thats a fact.so u get the rules which i have been stressing?
if you dont know about all this,then i start to have doubts about u



this im not able to answer you,ure like asking me,why isnt everyone in this world smart,why are there stupid ppl
probably the best suited answer to your question is that
everyone is different,everyone has different attitudes,characteristics...values
thats what make us all unique

sport?i believe that wasnt mentioned by me...you need not ellaborate that much as that party aka silencestorm probably has no interest in debating

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Added on September 4, 2008, 12:29 amsince the 1st post i made..i mentioned valid reason
yes i nv deny i did mentioned that leavers should get whack,which post of mine stated that i denied?i dont mind u quoting me..for my mistake,just do it
but i justify what type of leavers..or what type of act should be punished
but u keep on mentioning leavers leavers leavers.
leavers can be classified into so many types..i stated which typed in my previous post...read it
zzzzzz

ill rest my case on this,if u continue to question me w/o reading my post carefull
ill give up

on 2nd thought i dont think this will end,im sure ure firmly holding your stand on nobody should get whacking
i differ a lil,i stress that i wouldnt mind certain retards in dota get whacked..thou i dont encourage it to happen
but ill respect and acknowledge your stand...game over
i damn lazy to post every 10minutes..u win lar..ive made any stand i possibly can make
the rest is for u to read and decide...

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 4 2008, 01:49 AM

As i said ... your term only "certain type of leavers" deserve wacking ... meaning you still support violence .. am i right??? u cant say that you hijack certain type of airplane only and says that your not a terrorist......

Anyway .... Certain type?? Can you explain more in detail which type??? as i mentioned in my earlier post ... No Leaver should get wacked ... no matter what leaver .... My earlier post with enlarge font size already stated What kind of leaver there is .. and also shown neither of any leaver deserve to get wacked....

If... your trying to say those who leave for FUN like CD leaver ... or havent played also leave .... Then It just plain doesnt make sence.......
1) The discussion is Assume leaver that doesnt involve CD leaver [these kind of leaver] ... as commen sence would tell you ... the discussion is about in a Cyber-Cafe ... not battlenet ..... I realy never come across people doing that at a cyber cafe.... in battlenet maybe .... But in cyber cafe... who want to waste money doing that?? theres realy no point in doing that.....
For this case ... if your trying to say he CD leaver /in game leave game...the most commen possibility is
1) The host start game without the usual countdown
2) Maybe he got friend want to join.. but host dont listen and just start game....

I think thats about what we trying to debate right?? because youve never mentioned about the others like insulting and stuff..... its morning 8 am .. and i gtg for work ... HEHE ... come back @ night only chat again...

no matter the reason or watever kind of leaver there are, no one should be beaten.

continue this violence and u gonna see this headline "Malaysia Government bans Warcraft3" - and we are gonna be a hell of a laughing stock.

oh yes, btw - dota is a custom map in warcraft3, im sure some dotard is unaware of this.

This post has been edited by Ihsengale: Sep 4 2008, 08:32 AM

You just don't get it do you.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF LEAVER YOU ARE. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE WHACKED BECAUSE OF IT.

No ifs, hows, or buts

Whacking is wrong...regardless of whether or not he leaves with/without a valid reason

i am here to back quick

i somehow agree with him that some people really deserve to be wack.
some1 say in a post that if 1 thief comes into your house you shouldent wack him?
wat if he come in wif weapon and may harm ur family. i will say wack him till death.

same goes and some motor n car that likes to boom thier engine with annoying noise.
i wont pity them if they were caught in accident

i understand that there is no need to wack a person juz cos he leaves a game.
but if the person lanci liao then asking for fight.
when i see him get wack i will surely wont pity him too.(doesnt mean i support violence , i will juz say dai sei.)

i agree with quick that u see less fighting in other games but for dota cos after leaver,u got more often of disadvantages then advantages.

some 1 also say dota is more like a sports now.(partly agree)
u even see footballers fighting with each other during match.
but if u wanna play dota . then pls have a game moral.
for watever reason try finish the game .
either by wining it or losing it.

it doesnt matter is u are a noob or newbie that feed.
by leaving a game when u get kill doesnt make you improve as a better player
u learn from getting kill. oni u learn how not be get kill and then oni u can improve

what measn by true dota player.
i think what it means there is game spirit.
when u watch football.
if a team get wack 5-0 b4 half time.
can they say they give up playing 2nd half and walk away?


its bad to be have a game leaver , but if that really happen ,
then juz tell urself that this player will forever be a noob player wont wont improve ever
pity on him.

but it is not nesseary for you to wack him.
if u wack him cos he leave dota then u are nothing better then him.
but i believe there is exception. .etc he insult ur family.(this a cannot tolerate)
then this guy deserve to be wack
by the means of giving him a lesson.
some people really learn the hard way.

its juz my comment so dun flame me like u ppl flame quick

This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 4 2008, 11:13 AM

people who has no respect for this game shud be shot dead in the public.

not only in dota ..ppl are whacking each other ..in other online games also such as RO ..ragnarok online...

i got heard from my fren that inside the game they lancing ppl and in the real world they come out fight ..wth!!

inside the game already fight so hard to prove who is strong in real life also wan to fight ..aiyoyo ..

go join wrestling la ...fight until death la ..

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Added on September 4, 2008, 12:14 pmthen we will see everyday in newpaper that ppl are dead because of leaving game ....


This post has been edited by ederick: Sep 4 2008, 12:14 PM

Lets put this argument to rest people...I've had enough of the trolling...Fights at cybercafes are not caused by DoTA. They are caused by the people playing it that are either mentally unstable or just down right bad mannered and dont know how to behave.

Its not a trait about the game...but the players...It is unfortunate that there are so many idiots playing DoTA. As much as I dont like DoTA from a gameplay perspective...i feel it has gotten a bad rap for the attitude of the players. Oh yeah and also the lack of gaming knowledge of most of these players also adds to it.

So please be civilised. Have fun and dont be too serious...

End of story and i hope this thread too...

coz argueing over this stupid thing is pointless.

it makes no sense and serves no purpose.

LOL ...

Simonyw_87 ....



Yeah... another violence supporter .... But what your example got to do with DotA??? If a thief comes to my house ... of course i wack him ....In law ... the thief would get punished anyways .... You are trying to say Leaving DotA game is againts the law ??

If violence continues ... sooner or later Everyone wont even have chance to play at cyber anymore when government closed it down .... Luckily for us ... those people who got wacked usualy wont go make the matter big by reporting to the police ....The government already enforce a rule to not allow school kids and after midnight cyber operation ... because??? someone actualy died getting wack in cyber ...

No wonder i saw parents these days extreamly discourage thier children to hang out at cyber cafe ....




Yes ... i agree that those people who lanci is trying to provoke the wacker .... but if the wacker cannot take it ... i suggest that he dont live in this world .... Unless he is a Bai Ga jai where parents dam rich that they are boss of the company .... Other than that .. they would definately work under people .... and i tell you .... Theres no such thing as BOSS never scold you before in your working life .....






As mentioned In my previous post ..... There is no reason to fight Over Leavers .... To show you again ... i repaste my statement ...


Ok now .. lets seperate this into 2 cases...

1- He got wack by his teammate
2- He got wack by the opponent


For 1, i felt that wacking that leaver is RIDICULOUS .... i mean ... If he leaves... its a benefit to them ..so why wack him??? you cant wack him because hes a noob feeder.....

For 2, This is more stupid.... The reason that the opponent wack the leaver is because ... they must have never OWN before ...

It is imposible for someone to leave if he is winning... If he left when he is owning ... reason is definately he got emergencies.... and if kena wack by that ... 100% no word to say.....





Dai lou ... you serious anot to use these kind of examples .... as you said ... when We watch football ... so i presume u say Premier League or international football ...
Its a competition.... you wont see leaver at WCG also right ... and the DotA we talking about here is CC dota .. not WCG ...

You go see the field there ... those football kaki who play for fun one .... Do you see people say " oi .. tak boleh pergi" altough they are tired or have reason to leave...

Dam ... how to say you adi ah =.=""
You say wacking people if he insult your family[in game... or even in real life] is a sure must and cannot be tolerated right???

Then why dont you think that ... if you wack him for insulting your family ... your no better than him??? you will be catagorize as the same uncivilized people like him ... Or even worst because you put a hurt on him ...

Moreover ..... The stupiest thing is ... if he scold your mum is a B*tch or scold your dad is a useless peace of shit ..... and you wack him up ... that just means that you admited that your mum is a B*itch or your dad is a useless peace of shit ... Make sence right????


Hope you understand ... peace ...

Yeah, me. I've been keeping and eye on this thread though i haven't made a reply. Pointless to argue. Your attitude right now speaks of how you may react when playing in the cybercafes. In fact, it speaks volumes about potentially how a DoTA player would react if cornered. Or even in an argument like now.

Give that attitude a rest. I don't like it and probably so do the rest. You're just reinforcing the stereotype.

This post has been edited by Aoshi_88: Sep 4 2008, 01:36 PM

Why not just walk away from the computer without quiting the game

cos some1 say no matter wat also cannot wack a ppl even if is a thief that come in ur hse.
but i scare if the thief comes to ur hse,u will see law punish him up above.


ok ,then let say normal game.
when u come play we have expectation rite
in dota we expect the game to be finish.
if u ajak fren play football ,my expectation wil be example play for 1 hour.
but play 10 min my opponent 1 by 1 say wan go bc?
play with ghost a?

did i say wack him if they scold my family?
if yes then my apologies .
what i means here is i cant tolerate ppl that in an arguement
they dun talk bout the matter or lose in arguemrnt then start bring in ppls family.
i say i tulan dint means i go wack ppl.


but i wan stress tat u get leavers no matter in net game or cc game
juz take it easy. cos we really got nothin can do
jus no body likes a game with leavers.

whether leavers deserve to be wack?
no they dont.
ppl that get wack is not cos they are leavers but other reason on top of being leavers.

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Added on September 4, 2008, 2:00 pmhave to agree with you.
in both situation also really stupid to wack him

but is those ppl that get wack is cos this 2 reason?
i dun think so la...


in ur case 1,i think he will most properly get wack by team mate is cos he feed liao then dun wan leave.haaahh..jk oni

in ur case 2, mayb he provoke the other side to come wack him.i duno juz guessing.

but ...cos all ppl know there is possibilities of getting wack if u leave in cc.
make it lesser ppl leave in cc games
if i get same amount of leavers in cc and also net.
y not i stay at home play?
we come cc cos we expect cc players to at least have gaming spirit.
so that every1 have 1 good game and have fun.

people that have urgent need n have to leave.= forgivable. pity him if get wack
people that join game n leave game for fun,enjoy spoiling ppls game= i wont wack him, but i wont pity him if he gets wack by ppl.

This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 4 2008, 02:01 PM

as mentioned before, your reasoning here reflects your mentality. the ultimate point is, in a game there's no point in hitting the other player. to the fella who used football as an example, did you forget that in football you get a red card for fighting? so yes, go ahead and fight if all you want to do is ultimately go to jail. the problem here is your attitude that condones violence (the whole "if he gets whacked who cares" thing). even if you dont whack anyone, you condone violence by actively letting it happen.

even if they leave, or tell you your mother is fat, or cucuk you on the highway with his car, or whatever, the point is it takes a bigger man to ignore the moron. by stooping to his level and hitting him just shows your level of maturity. none of what he's doing is a real crime per say, or is actively harming you. but if he fights, by all means defend yourself, and sick the police on him. thats what the law is for, after all.

This post has been edited by strife_personified: Sep 4 2008, 02:11 PM

Oh god ... where do i begin ... Wheater i say or they say "No matter wat also cannot wack a people" means No matter reason .. you cannot wack the DotA player .... DotA PLAYER .... we are talking about DotA in CC here ...

NOT NO MATTER WHAT ALSO CANNOT WACK A PEOPLE FOR ANY OTHER REASON

It would be ridiculous if you dont wack a person that did something serious to your family[raped your sister/killed you family members] .....




Yes .. We do have expectation when we play football ... But what if the fellow tired ... what if he got to go ... what if he thinks that he is not giving enough to the team and is expected to leave .... Would your friends WACK him up??? i dont think so lo ... WHY??? Cuase its just a friendly FOR FUN game only lo

Unless you say Call UP for a serious Match between Teams then its another thing ... But still ... Who says the opponent cannot leave??? If they leave ... is automaticly consider victory for you lo ... dont tell me they leave u go wack them up ah.....

Please dont relate it to International Friendly match like Man Utd VS Malaysia these kind of thing ... Because its another matter...






Uhm ... according to this .... Yeah ..you SERIOUSLY DID SAY THAT ....

And in your latest post ... you say you cant tolerate .... so ... your cant tolerate is to what extend... you cant tolerate and u wack him ... or you cant tolerate and u scold him ..... You cant say you cant tolerate and just walk off .... unless you dont know what tolerate means....


I tough your earlier statement was



uhmm ...