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 D40/x/D60 Thread V4, The saga continues...

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KTCY
post Sep 22 2008, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(ebernie @ Sep 22 2008, 09:41 PM)
Manual metering is easy la. It's the focusing that's tough. And like you mentioned, advanced bodies can meter with AI-S lenses.
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Seriously for me, manual focus is easy tongue.gif
I get almost 95% in focus. Don't believe ? See my gallery tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Sep 22 2008, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Sep 22 2008, 09:44 PM)
Seriously for me, manual focus is easy tongue.gif
I get almost 95% in focus. Don't believe ? See my gallery tongue.gif tongue.gif

http://bumblebee8888.multiply.com/photos/a...ression_of_kids

http://bumblebee8888.multiply.com/photos/a...Street_Shooting

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dun u all use the green dot for manual focus?
is it that hard to notice the green dot?
i get all my manual focus pics sharp without problem...
nikon's digital ragefinder is very useful indeed...

also...
can u explain...
how ez is manual metering?
since u say focusing is harder...i MIGHT get some pointers on how to actually METER manually faster than i focus...

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post Sep 22 2008, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ Sep 22 2008, 10:17 PM)
dun u all use the green dot for manual focus?
is it that hard to notice the green dot?
i get all my manual focus pics sharp without problem...
nikon's digital ragefinder is very useful indeed...

also...
can u explain...
how ez is manual metering?
since u say focusing is harder...i MIGHT get some pointers on how to actually METER manually faster than i focus...

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Abang, silap orang ke ? sweat.gif
I said manual focus easier la blush.gif
xandman
post Sep 22 2008, 10:22 PM

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no no..
the first para is for u...
the 2nd para....for the one who said manual metering is easier...
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anyway...
u dun use the green dot?
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post Sep 22 2008, 10:28 PM

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I rely on green dot la else can't even focus well blush.gif
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post Sep 22 2008, 10:38 PM

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get that split focusing screen from YL
cheap cheap

result i am not sure though
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post Sep 22 2008, 10:39 PM

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I dont use the green dot. The green dot is quite useless in macro photography tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2008, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(zio @ Sep 22 2008, 10:39 PM)
I dont use the green dot. The green dot is quite useless in macro photography tongue.gif
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Then what you use ? your eye with view finder ? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Sep 22 2008, 10:43 PM)
Then what you use ? your eye with view finder ? tongue.gif
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Lol tats correct smile.gif The green dot flickers so much that you won't even know when the shot is in focus so might as well count on the trusty eye.

Now if they have split prism for D90 tongue.gif
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zio is different...
he superman...
and yes i agree...
macro + green dot = major headache!!!
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post Sep 22 2008, 11:35 PM

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Manual Metering ??

that means u have to guess the exposure..

since it is manual metering.. ur meter chart of coz wont show u anything right ??

it is definitely harder than manual focus..
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post Sep 23 2008, 12:14 AM

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Manual metering is not tough. It's tough if you can't check your images right after you take them but since we have the LCD screen to review the picture right after taking them, not to mention the uber useful histogram, manual metering is not tough at all.

Of course, I'm talking from experience shooting in manual mode all the time. Any exposure errors can be easily corrected by manipulating the shutter/aperture/ISO (in that order). If you shoot in any program modes, then have to fool around with exposure compensation... maybe troublesome a bit.

Now, compare this to manual focusing.
1. you can't really use the D40's LCD to check for sharpness
2. the green dot helps in focusing (duh), but can you tell what did u focus on?
3. what if your subject moves? can ur hands match the speed of a focusing motor to track the subject?

And ultimately, unlike fixing exposure errors, you can't just turn a knob on your camera. To make matters worse, focusing errors are also almost impossible to fix in post-processing. Not so with exposure issues.

Anymore questions kids?

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post Sep 23 2008, 02:24 AM

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well.. they both are not tough if you got time for more than 1 shot..

for fast shooting.. they are quite a headache sometimes..

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post Sep 23 2008, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(ebernie @ Sep 23 2008, 12:14 AM)
Manual metering is not tough. It's tough if you can't check your images right after you take them but since we have the LCD screen to review the picture right after taking them, not to mention the uber useful histogram, manual metering is not tough at all.

Of course, I'm talking from experience shooting in manual mode all the time. Any exposure errors can be easily corrected by manipulating the shutter/aperture/ISO (in that order). If you shoot in any program modes, then have to fool around with exposure compensation... maybe troublesome a bit.

Now, compare this to manual focusing.
1. you can't really use the D40's LCD to check for sharpness
2. the green dot helps in focusing (duh), but can you tell what did u focus on?
3. what if your subject moves? can ur hands match the speed of a focusing motor to track the subject?

And ultimately, unlike fixing exposure errors, you can't just turn a knob on your camera. To make matters worse, focusing errors are also almost impossible to fix in post-processing. Not so with exposure issues.

Anymore questions kids?
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i guess wat u r explaining is indeed manual metering....
BUT....
it is not the method used when using an Ai-S lenses with bodies that cant meter with them...
metering with Ai-S lenses on a d40 is NOT manual metering...
it is stop down metering...
heard of it?

where u set the aperture ring to the F-number that u want when the photo is taken...
and shoot till u get the exposure rite...
THAT's manual metering with a body that cant meter....

so r u clear now?
next time, dun confuse ppl...check before u explain anything...
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post Sep 23 2008, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(ebernie @ Sep 23 2008, 12:14 AM)
Manual metering is not tough. It's tough if you can't check your images right after you take them but since we have the LCD screen to review the picture right after taking them, not to mention the uber useful histogram, manual metering is not tough at all.

Of course, I'm talking from experience shooting in manual mode all the time. Any exposure errors can be easily corrected by manipulating the shutter/aperture/ISO (in that order). If you shoot in any program modes, then have to fool around with exposure compensation... maybe troublesome a bit.

Now, compare this to manual focusing.
1. you can't really use the D40's LCD to check for sharpness
2. the green dot helps in focusing (duh), but can you tell what did u focus on?
3. what if your subject moves? can ur hands match the speed of a focusing motor to track the subject?

And ultimately, unlike fixing exposure errors, you can't just turn a knob on your camera. To make matters worse, focusing errors are also almost impossible to fix in post-processing. Not so with exposure issues.

Anymore questions kids?
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@ bold : Not very friendly statement sleep.gif

Well, regarding your reply, here is mine towards yours blush.gif
1. Who say can't ? LCD of D40 is actually very good and better than Nonac LCD of 400D, 450D or even 40D
2. why I can't tell ? If i want focus a thing, put your focusing point then just twist the lens focusing till the green dot is there.
3. Panning with manual ? My sifu can tongue.gif Remember, those are the days where no AF, they use MF for all the photos taking.
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post Sep 23 2008, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Sep 23 2008, 07:43 AM)
@ bold : Not very friendly statement sleep.gif

Well, regarding your reply, here is mine towards yours blush.gif
1. Who say can't ? LCD of D40 is actually very good and better than Nonac LCD of 400D, 450D or even 40D
2. why I can't tell ? If i want focus a thing, put your focusing point then just twist the lens focusing till the green dot is there.
3. Panning with manual ? My sifu can tongue.gif Remember, those are the days where no AF, they use MF for all the photos taking.
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i agree with #3
panning with MF is actually ez...
given that u KNOW hoe to use a camera and a manual focus lens...
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post Sep 23 2008, 08:50 AM

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i wonder what will happen if you kids here use film slr cameras.

all talk about awesome gears and can't even use a manual mode?
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post Sep 23 2008, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(ifer @ Sep 23 2008, 08:50 AM)
i wonder what will happen if you kids here use film slr cameras.

all talk about awesome gears and can't even use a manual mode?
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You should join ShutterAsia Penangkia. sleep.gif
All got film SLR sleep.gif except me tongue.gif
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post Sep 23 2008, 08:56 AM

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neh, too far away from me
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post Sep 23 2008, 09:19 AM

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still objects ok la
panning car ok la

fashion show
haha need to fix a point to get in focus

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