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post May 6 2009, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(wu ming @ May 6 2009, 09:46 AM)
Hi everybody, I will be coming to Singaporke this Friday for an interview. smile.gif

Wish me luck that I can succeed. rclxm9.gif

I would also like to kaya-raya earning S$ like the rest of you. thumbup.gif

Anyways, may I know the salary range of IT field? Previously I was underpaid as I do not know the expected salary. sad.gif
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Depends on how many years of exp and in what line you previously doing and what your upcoming job scope would be.

According to a mag i read on average salary for IT personnel in singapore, a freshie like network admin will earn around 2200-3500.

If you got technical certs like CCNA, oracle cert, MCP and are a certified network engineer, system anaylst, you can command on average 3k-5k. Managerial role around 6k-10k.

The most i've heard is if your IT manager at the management level, you can command upto 120k, a month but i heard they want master for that kind of role, or twin degree in both IT and management.
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post May 6 2009, 10:27 AM

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I was told if you switch job from Msia to Sg , SG employer will offer 20% lower of your salary in Msia, which means if your pay iis RM5000, then you probably being offered SGD 4000 - 4200. Some SG employer even worst , they will offer only 10%-20% higher than your current ones after the conversion, for example if you are getting RM5000, they will offer you SGD 2300 - SGD 2800. I wonder is that true?
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post May 6 2009, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(bongobb @ May 6 2009, 10:27 AM)
I was told if you switch job from Msia to Sg , SG employer will offer 20% lower of your salary in Msia, which means if your pay iis RM5000, then you probably being offered SGD 4000 - 4200. Some SG employer even worst , they will offer only 10%-20% higher than your current ones after the conversion, for example if you are getting RM5000, they will offer you SGD 2300 - SGD 2800. I wonder is that true?
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Why dont u try and find out?

Alot of unskilled malaysian earning more in sg then what some professionals can earn in malaysia. But skilled personnel diff case, also depend on the company whether they deem you fit to pay the salary which "you" expect. If cant reach to agreement, then just go find a company which can accommodate your salary expectation.

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post May 6 2009, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 6 2009, 10:12 AM)
The most i've heard is if your IT manager at the management level, you can command upto 120k, a month but i heard they want master for that kind of role, or twin degree in both IT and management.

You mean 12K a month, right? Not 120K.

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post May 6 2009, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 6 2009, 11:47 AM)
You mean 12K a month, right? Not 120K.
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Nope, 120k a month. Sorry, its not IT manager, its CTO or CIO which earn that amount.

Its according to kelly services average IT salary, i think it was for 2007 or 2008.

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post May 6 2009, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 6 2009, 11:53 AM)
Nope, 120k a month. Sorry, its not IT manager, its CTO or CIO which earn that amount.

Its according to kelly services average IT salary, i think it was for 2007 or 2008.
I think S$1.5M (120K x 13 months) would be highly, highly unlikely in the Sg context.

1. According to this article in Asiaone: CFOs gone too soon, large cap(ital) companies pay their CFOs roughly S$300K per year. Smaller companies pay around 1/2 that amount.

In my experience, I've never known a CTO or CIO to be paid more than the CFO (unless he also holds several other portfolios like HR, Shared Services, Supply Chain etc). Typically the CFO's pay is second only to the CEO in most companies (and perhaps also to the GMs of the major biz units).

2. Going up to the very pinnacle of the Singapore context, Singtel paid its CFO (Chua Sock Koong) S$1.67M in YE2007/3. It's CEO (Lee Hsien Yang) was paid S$2.15M during that period. And I think Ms Chua is paid a lot more than other CFOs in listed SGX blue chips because she then went on to become CEO of Singtel that same year.

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So, I reckon it's highly unlikely that S$1.5M would be the average IT salary for the top IS/IT person in any Singaporean company.

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post May 6 2009, 01:31 PM

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Looks like someone has alot of free time.
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post May 6 2009, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 6 2009, 01:31 PM)
Looks like someone has alot of free time.
It's lunch time... and I see a claim that IT guys get 120K a month...

I have to find some way to entertain myself, right?

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wow...its a good debate guys...i'm impress...
i need to learn more...
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post May 6 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(washabushi @ May 6 2009, 02:24 PM)
wow...its a good debate guys...i'm impress...
i need to learn more...
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Learn about what?

How much ppl earn or what skills you need 2 earn a salary which you are comfortable with?

Previously got one fella mentioned his dad earned rm160k a month. Every month can buy a honda accord 2.0 full spec.
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post May 7 2009, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(driftmeister @ May 6 2009, 09:47 AM)
so lucky of u
mind to share which company is hiring malaysians?

I am not lucky. It takes courage to apply for work in Singapore without any help.

QUOTE(Chrisky @ May 6 2009, 09:56 AM)
so u wil be here over the weekend or what ? good luck for the interview.  biggrin.gif

I will come in like a SWAT team. Will bla as soon the interview is conducted.

QUOTE(topmankl @ May 6 2009, 10:06 AM)
Good luck at your interview. smile.gif

By the way how you plan to travel to Sg and back? Just for others to reference.

Also mind sharing what position is that, and your experience? Been trying to get info on Sg IT job market but to no avail...

Thanks.

Traveling by bus.

It's an IT job related to my studies. Do not give up.

QUOTE(crapp0 @ May 6 2009, 10:12 AM)
Depends on how many years of exp and in what line you previously doing and what your upcoming job scope would be.

According to a mag i read on average salary for IT personnel in singapore, a freshie like network admin will earn around 2200-3500.

If you got technical certs like CCNA, oracle cert, MCP and are a certified network engineer, system anaylst, you can command on average 3k-5k. Managerial role around 6k-10k.

The most i've heard is if your IT manager at the management level, you can command upto 120k, a month but i heard they want master for that kind of role, or twin degree in both IT and management.
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Thanks. At least I have a rough idea. Previously, I was underpaid S$1600 only. Everday ikat perut.


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post May 7 2009, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(wu ming @ May 7 2009, 07:04 AM)
I am not lucky. It takes courage to apply for work in Singapore without any help.
I will come in like a SWAT team. Will bla as soon the interview is conducted.
Thanks.

Traveling by bus.

It's an IT job related to my studies. Do not give up.
Thanks. At least I have a rough idea. Previously, I was underpaid S$1600 only. Everday ikat perut.
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How much is your rent? A fren of mine earn 1600 still ok, Just that not much in savings but can survive. If ikat perut means only eating at fastfood a few times a week, then better stop eating unhealthy food.

This is just a rough guide coz average can mean you get lower or higher.

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post May 7 2009, 02:39 PM

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i once read somewhere that the avrg pay of IT exec ( Non SAP, <=3 years xp ) is 2.4k and the range is 1.5 - 3.3k, depending on qualification, industry, and employer. Forgot where i read it though.
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post May 7 2009, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(eggBoy @ May 7 2009, 02:39 PM)
i once read somewhere that the avrg pay of IT exec ( Non SAP, <=3 years xp ) is 2.4k and the range is 1.5 - 3.3k, depending on qualification, industry, and employer. Forgot where i read it though.
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Yea, somemore gotta compete with IT engineer from Philippine and india where they will take the job below 30% market rate. Coz to them, its oledi "very" big money compared to what they would be earning in their own home country.

Anybody know what is the market price for a common room near braddell mrt station.

Coz i got a quote of for a common room just less then 5 min walk to braddell mrt station. Plus its beautifully furnished and clean. Bad point it no cooking allowed.

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Hi, what is common benefits that ones should have when it comes to job finding in SG? Some I've heard, they provide living allowance, phone allowance and etc. If let's say they didnt have such benefits, should I count the amount of rent & etc into my expected salary? TQ
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QUOTE(Jewelgal @ May 8 2009, 10:40 AM)
Hi, what is common benefits that ones should have when it comes to job finding in SG? Some I've heard, they provide living allowance, phone allowance and etc. If let's say they didnt have such benefits, should I count the amount of rent & etc into my expected salary? TQ
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You should always count all of your expenses and deduct it from your salary since u never know if they may cut it due to economic excuse. Then you will be grumbling about why u dont earn enough to sustain yourself and such.
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QUOTE(Jewelgal @ May 8 2009, 10:40 AM)
Hi, what is common benefits that ones should have when it comes to job finding in SG? Some I've heard, they provide living allowance, phone allowance and etc. If let's say they didnt have such benefits, should I count the amount of rent & etc into my expected salary? TQ
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for my job i only have 14 days annual leave, taxi claim (if OT till after 9pm), and MC claim (max $50 a month). for your personal reference u should consider all ur expenses and fight for the salary u want.
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QUOTE(B-Mecha @ May 8 2009, 11:33 AM)
for my job i only have 14 days annual leave, taxi claim (if OT till after 9pm), and MC claim (max $50 a month). for your personal reference u should consider all ur expenses and fight for the salary u want.
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You'll be fighting with ex-fund managers, some stock brokers, financial analyst and other ppl who are over-qualified but are out of a job.
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QUOTE(Jewelgal @ May 8 2009, 10:40 AM)
Hi, what is common benefits that ones should have when it comes to job finding in SG? Some I've heard, they provide living allowance, phone allowance and etc.

For professional or graduate positions, there's no 'common' allowances. Some companies give it (but you should expect your basic to be less) and some don't (you'd then expect your basic to be more). Some jobs like sales or customer service will typically have mobile phone provided or the expenses reimbursed. Should look at pay from a total package or take-home perspective.

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If let's say they didnt have such benefits, should I count the amount of rent & etc into my expected salary? TQ
Not sure if I quite understand.

From company's point of view, they don't care what you use your salary for (pay rent & etc or whatever) or whether you have a lot of commitments. That is your business/problem. All they will consider is the job scope in question and your qualifications/experience. That will determine what pay scale you'll get. End of story.

At the end of the day, you just need to find out from your Sg peers in the industry what the pay range is for someone with your background going into the job you're targeting - and set your asking salary accordingly. Whether you can survive with the salary offered, that's your problem.

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