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DIY T-Amp user/diyer come here :), TA2024 complete build board diy

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jazzy939
post Aug 16 2008, 02:15 PM

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Y.C.,
Wahhh no wonderlah you are 'sold'.. tongue.gif
At RM6.50 from Farnell, I think its a 'steal'.. wink.gif
For the pot, I can't help much as I don't use them at this point of time biggrin.gif

Further update:

I took xtorm advice and remove stock caps from the 'virgin' second T-Amp board...
Bear in mind, this second board has 0(zero hours) burn in..
Plug in the board and... voila! rclxms.gif
My jaw kinda dropped! Now the low end frequencies are somewhat 'heavier' and almost full bodied.. it definitely sounds better than my first T-Amp that has clocked 11 hours of burn in... Is this the same T-Amp?

I think the problem is the polarised 1uF input caps that came with the T-Amp.
I will remove the polarised caps only on the 1st. T-Amp and re-connect the two big yellow unpolarised caps in parallel, we'll see whats gonna happen next... rolleyes.gif

Here's the moded second T-Amp:

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post Aug 16 2008, 04:26 PM

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It's EPCOS. Taken from my Yulong's PCM58 DAC board. That board no longer have any input caps wink.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 16 2008, 04:11 PM)
walau bro, what is the brand/type of your little "cute" 10uF NP caps?  sweat.gif
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post Aug 16 2008, 05:47 PM

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Yes. I think its a 12V 4A battery. Definitely can power the TA2024 T-Amp! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(mysghooi @ Aug 16 2008, 04:59 PM)
Hi all sifu here, can this T-amp power up by using my Honda EX5 battery?
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post Aug 16 2008, 05:55 PM

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Y.C.
Your patience will be worthwhile! tongue.gif The blue 'gigantic' EPCOS cap was recommended by my son as he says, that cap received rave reviews about it's sonic performance, and I concur!! thumbup.gif
It is definitely better! Best part is, it cost me nothing! rclxm9.gif

Using premium parts will be worthwhile here as we're trying not to reduce a 'super duper' amp performance. laugh.gif
I'd say if you can afford it, BUY IT. Don't regret not buying it later.. wink.gif

I am running my PSU at 12.5 VDC max.. I did try 13VDC, there's a touch of graininess.. just. shakehead.gif 12VDC would be the absolute minimum!



QUOTE(Y.C. @ Aug 16 2008, 05:22 PM)
jazzy, all I could add after seeing the picture of your 2nd T-amp with gigantic caps is that I'm really excited and awaiting eagerly for my own T-amp to arrive.
xtorm, FYI the part numbers for Neutrik connectors are: Red NYS 367-2 (5008529) at RM6.50 each and White NYS 367-9 (5008566) at RM6.54 each. BTW how much did you pay for your RCA connectors? Problem with Farnell is, they don't stock up anymore in Malaysia and will courier the items ordered after payment directly to us if the minimum order exceeds RM20.

mysghooi, the recommended PSU is 12V DC 2.5A
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Hi mysghooi,
yes. all batteries are DC biggrin.gif Your EX5 battery included! tongue.gif
Yes.. you can connect the battery terminal wires to the T-Amp, observing the correct polarities...
Nope, will definitely NOT lower the performance!


QUOTE(mysghooi @ Aug 16 2008, 05:51 PM)
Hi jazzy939 is the Honda EX5 battery DC battery, So I can direct hold up the wire to the battery. Is the Honda EX5 battery will lower the performance of T-amp?
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:21 PM

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See attached picture for reference.

The RED wire on the right is the positive, ie "+"
The BLACK wire on the LEFT is negative or GROUND, "-"

These will be clearly marked on the T-Amp board. Don't mess up, otherwise the board/chip will be permanently damage!

QUOTE(mysghooi @ Aug 16 2008, 06:14 PM)
hi jazzy939 the EX5 battery got Red and black which one to connect to +12v and which one to connect to ground?
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:28 PM

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Bro March,

My son is my second set of ears as he is much more critical listener than I am..
also my eardrums at this age has definitely deteriorated..wink.gif Too much exposure to good 'noise' laugh.gif

It would be interesting to know if these mods would also improve your TA2022.. time to plug in your soldering iron, eh? laugh.gif

QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 06:17 PM)
Wah, now anak can ajar the ayah, bagus nya! notworthy.gif

Do you guyz think any of your cap mods will work on my TA2022 board....feeling so left out lah.
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Y.C.,
Don't believe what you read 'there'.. it's to confuse the enemies laugh.gif
BTW, He just completed his Diploma in Mechanical Engineering. Guess he chose to be just like his dad wink.gif

QUOTE(Y.C. @ Aug 16 2008, 06:24 PM)
I'm a lil lost here. How old is your son if you're only 36?  shocking.gif
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:36 PM

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xtorm,
Initially I was plannng to take the SMPS path, but after reading Red Wine's philosophy's on why they're using SLA in their design, it make more sense to me! tongue.gif
I also believe in minimalization, therefore LESS is MORE brows.gif

However I have NOT finalized the power supply part yet. I have to complete the burn in session first.
Then the audition would be more meaningful.

I have 2 SMPS on standby.. wink.gif

QUOTE(xtorm @ Aug 16 2008, 06:25 PM)
the chip is good up till 16v

mostly ppl are setting it up at 13.8v

btw jazzy, battery is better? i tot i read smps is the best, nvrmind try it out and let us know!!

this board is fun, im tesing out half filter theory at the output now
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yes, you definitely need a charger, either built-in with the assembly or separate external one. Like Red Wine's unit, a rocker switch will put the amp either in 'battery power mode' or 'battery charging mode'. RED LED: Battery charging; GREEN LED Battery fully charged.
It is not that 'hard' to include such a circuit.. only added 'cost'. tongue.gif

I chose my spare DIN55 battery as I already have the charger for it wink.gif

Red Wine's unit one should last between 4-6 hours of continuous usage.
Then again it all depends on the discharge current against the battery capacity. The bigger, the longer! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Aug 16 2008, 06:41 PM)
but using the battery i think you have to design somehow the recharging mechanism so it will be ease every time need to recharge the battery......and more convenient just like wed wine audio does.....and much more boutique looked alike.... smile.gif

a clean power for you amp....vroooooommmmm ph34r.gif
12V how long can last ??????
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Bro March,
Back to KISS ya! thumbup.gif

The charger will NOT be energized when the battery is used during normal operation.. well that is what the Red Wine's unit was designed.
In fact the charger is an external unit, to be plugged in when you're done listening until the next session. It takes roughly an hour to fully charge that SLA...

BTW, how much would an SLA costs?

QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 06:50 PM)
Isn't it a simple thing to have two batteries, and swap them over when the one in use starts to run down? To me, adding a charger into the system runs the risk of adding noise into the power supply.....back to square one.
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This is one of a simple SLA charging circuit.. brows.gif




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Definitely not! tongue.gif
If I have all the parts.. 17 minutes, maybe! brows.gif

This one may... biggrin.gif



QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Aug 16 2008, 07:02 PM)
can you make one in 15 minutes?
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Bro March,
I acknowledged your concerns.. that is why I opted NOT to take that path. wink.gif
4-6 hours is kinda long listening time to me.. Do you spend that long listening ya? tongue.gif
Then a second backup battery is a good option! While the second battery is good for another 4-6 hours, within the hour the 1st battery will be fully charged.. ready to replace the second one... sounds good eh? wink.gif

Rm40? RM80 for 2..thats not bad..

I had my DIN55 for 1/2 that said price.. now NOT doing anything, might as well use it for this purpose! No additioal cost incurred! biggrin.gif
Did I mentioned that I also have a charger for that? laugh.gif




QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 07:14 PM)
There is something about that logic of having an integrated charger that troubles me....if the battery runs down while you are in the midst of a nice jazz session, then you'll have to stop for an hour to recharge it, by which time the magic is broken..... whereas a spare battery is only a simple few seconds swap, and you continue merrily.

SLAs are ubiquitous items nowadays....the 7 amphours ones are going for around RM40 (local made?) - RM90 (good Japanese branded) in JP. DIN55 for your car....the maintenance free type, maybe RM400...(argggg--toothache).  laugh.gif

gabanyayaya, I'm sure you can make a beautiful casing which can be opened easily, right? Even an undressed SLA can be hidden somewhere with just a gold plated (if you really want fashionable ones) cable leading to it.
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And if you connect it in parallel, you should get an operational time of: >30 hours! whistling.gif

WOW! We just exceeded 100 postings! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 16 2008, 07:24 PM)
with 7A/hr battery I believe under normal listening condition this amp can last >15 hours. smile.gif
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Not to worry bro March,
There's always more than one way to 'kill' a cat... tongue.gif
(NB:I am NOT a cat hater.. )

Attached, is the offending caps that came with the T-Amp...

Have removed the polarized 1uF from the assembly, will try connecting the two 1uF NP yellow caps in parallel which should give a total of 2uF for the input caps, dunno how the sound would be.. planning for late night operations... wink.gif




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ongbs,
am just wondering. how did you measure the current drain?
sure ah, not a 'fluke' reading? wink.gif (pun intended! ) tongue.gif

late night is the best time to do critical audio listening.. biggrin.gif

This also just came to my mind. Since the amp can be driven into clipping quite easily.. why not incorporate a 'clipping indicator'? This will help the user not to 'overdrive' the little fella... :

additional notes:
I found one circuit that uses 12VDC working voltage.. will update if found to be suitable for our purposes... need to scrutinized the circuit. tongue.gif

Found this instead. Simple and workable.

Audio Clipping Indicator

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That is good. I'll accept your current drain figures without doubt! Good work bro! thumbup.gif

The item highlighted is easily done! tongue.gif I'll try that out first! Remember KISS & KIC? biggrin.gif

add. notes:
I have checked the datasheet. pin 19 will not work here shakehead.gif


QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 16 2008, 08:49 PM)
Just connect a Amp meter in series with the +12V supply, before going into the 12+ of the amp board.

Pls check the TA2024 pdf, there is a "fault" pin #19, it will indicate thermal overload or output short to graound, but not sure will it indicate "clipping" status.
It can't drive LED directly, you need a transistor of buffer to "light-up" the LED smile.gifFor input signal overload there is another pin, #7.
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xtorm,
I noticed the same too in my set ups.. on both boards! tongue.gif

Have downloaded the eval. board pdf.. will have a look soon! wink.gif

The soft clipping indicator will be just an optional add-ons.. KIC, remember? wink.gif

QUOTE(xtorm @ Aug 16 2008, 09:01 PM)
wah uncle got good meterwor.....siao fluke ler dare you say it "fluke" tongue.gif

hmm a clipping indicator is nice, smile.gif

the setup in my car kinda get louder by day...hmm...

btw the evaluation circuit is uploaded at 1st post
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post Aug 16 2008, 09:22 PM

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that's gabanyayaya's Keep It Cheap! laugh.gif

btw the clipping indicator is no major issue,right? We have good ears for that! tongue.gif
I'll KIV it first wink.gif

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