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DIY T-Amp user/diyer come here :), TA2024 complete build board diy

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post Aug 16 2008, 09:25 PM

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hello friend,
we haven't fully recovered(rather not fully consumed the full dose) with this poison, now got better poison? tongue.gif
shall we ditched this poison? heck, NO! laugh.gif

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post Aug 17 2008, 05:07 AM

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Whoa xtorm! Thats a 'major' surgery! ohmy.gif
Whats the outcome?
BTW, do you know it's 4am when you posted that? tongue.gif
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post Aug 17 2008, 08:37 AM

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I was 'on call' and the 'patient' is under close observation, 18 hours have lapsed.
The good news is the 'patient' has shown an improvement, the 'operation' was a success rclxms.gif
Now to prescribe a good 'medication' biggrin.gif
Have to check out another 'patient' now laugh.gif

BTW, do you know it's 5.36am when you posted that? tongue.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 17 2008, 05:36 AM)
The doctor took 7 hrs break before continue the operation tongue.gif
His "operation tools" left somewhere else!  doh.gif
BTW, do you know it's 5am when you posted that?  tongue.gif
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post Aug 17 2008, 09:07 AM

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Patient 1 was in surgery,
removed the suspected 'organ' and transplanted a similar organ from the donor (patient 2) biggrin.gif

Attached are the sequence of the 'procedures' sweat.gif

Now Patient 2 is under close observation to see if this transplant will rejuvenate and make Patient 2 perform better wink.gif

The doctor will report on Patient 2 progress soon. brows.gif

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post Aug 17 2008, 02:28 PM

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Surgeon General Department Warning: May Induced UDMS(Uncontrolled DIY Mod Syndrome) tongue.gif
Observation Report
5 hours burn in has lapsed, for a total of 7.
These are the findings:
Caution: References were made to original report, hence,

1. Feels like a thin 'veal' was removed from the soundstage.(probably due to the added burn in hours)
2. Cleaner, tighter, well controlled response esp. vocals and highs (added caps)
3. An impressive separations of instruments. (similar to ori)
4. Bass is a little bit defined, just a touch. A little too 'bland' for my taste. (almost no change)

Conclusions:
1. With 2uF NP there's just a touch of sonic differences from stock configuration.
2. Removal of the polarized 1uF cap is recommended.
3. Patient 2 is now in better shape and performance, will kick ass soon! laugh.gif
4. Will induce Patient 1 to carryout transformation as per Patient 2 or better! brows.gif

Details and informations are true at time of writing.

End of Report.

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post Aug 17 2008, 07:39 PM

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I have been reading (as usual) and this is what I found:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/nuukspot/decdun/t_amps.html

Very important extract:

"...In order of preference, I preferred the SMPS best, the battery, the regulated supply and then the wallwart. The SMPS was clearly the best sounding supply and once I had tried it, I had no desire to use the other supplies!

Looks like I will be taking that direction.. wink.gif
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post Aug 17 2008, 08:33 PM

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.. more reading stuffs.. tongue.gif

"Note : USE TWO OF THESE AMPS IN A BALANCED CONFIGURATION FOR EXTRA HEADROOM AND DYNAMIC POWER.

TO DO THIS YOU ONLY NEED :
- 1 RCA FEMALE INPUT PLUG THAT GOES TO TWO RCA OUTPUTS. YOU WILL OF COURSE NEED 2 OF THESE.
- FOR THE SPEAKER OUT JUST CONNECT UP THE 2 + OUTPUT TERMINALS TOGETHER WITH SEPARATE SHORT JUMPER WIRES AND THE CONNECT THESE TO YOUR POSITIVE SPEAKER CABLE. THE NEGATIVE WIRE ONLY HAS TO CONNECT TO EITHER NEGATIVE OUTPUT TERMINAL. EASY AND BOY IS IT WORTH IT."

Anybody wanna give this a shot? whistling.gif

Here's the link: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photo...n-160361421.htm

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post Aug 17 2008, 10:04 PM

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ongbs,
I had some difficulties too trying to make out what he was trying to say but,
yes, as you said it, one board driving one set of speakers!
Therefore, you need two boards to drive your stereo speakers! biggrin.gif

I'd rather go the bi-amp way brows.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 17 2008, 09:05 PM)
huh, does it mean 1 board (2ch) for 1 speaker?
The link description is too brief sad.gif
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xtorm,
risky? hmm maybe. but personally I wont do it tongue.gif

Yes.. its all about high quality caps and that yellow thing although acceptable, can be better! thumbup.gif

That 10uF that I use does reduce the 'brightness' as compared to using just 2uF.

I have this wild idea about bi-amping; the amp feeding the tweeter will have 2uF input caps,while the amp driving the woofers will have a 10uF input caps! laugh.gif

Since I already have that configuration, I will do that!!! thumbup.gif


QUOTE(xtorm @ Aug 17 2008, 10:07 PM)
i think he ment 2 +ve terminal joined and 1 negative terminal

then conect it to the speaker like usual

meaning only 1 boards require

hmmm...kinda risky right?


Added on August 17, 2008, 10:09 pm

haha bro i think still, use better cap for tht part, you will appreciate the diff it makes to the soundstage! and bass too smile.gif

10uf didnt kinda pull down the high frequency abit?

yea i have been reading tht smps sounded the best, even for gain clone
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post Aug 17 2008, 10:36 PM

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I'd say 4.7uF would be midway between my 10uF and 2uF experimentation. 6uF would be perfect! wink.gif
4.7uF would be a lil bit 'more' bass biggrin.gif

Yes,quality is everything, that Panasonic caps would be just great! thumbup.gif
Where did you acquire it?

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 17 2008, 10:31 PM)
I used Japan Panasonic NP 4.7uF and it sounds much better than original, especially the vocal part  rclxm9.gif
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post Aug 17 2008, 10:44 PM

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1uF would do the trick nicely.. if you're a detail freak.. tongue.gif
I thought of going higher than 10uF however, since the EPCOS 10uF NP caps is performing so well.. I shall not progress further on that! wink.gif

Time to fire up the SMPS! brows.gif

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post Aug 18 2008, 12:31 AM

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ongbs,
As long as you're happy with it, stay with it ! thumbup.gif
Yes.. big caps you have there! tongue.gif I have to make a note of that! I have NOT gone into replacement of that existing caps yet.
Saw the [M] logo. Panasonic? No idea. Have never used them before. Expensive?

Whoa.. you even mod your speakers! Way to go! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 18 2008, 12:09 AM)
4.7uF input caps gave me better Vocal tone and bass  thumbup.gif
I only try 1 ELNA 8200uf cap, with this big cap on, I tried to blast hard but the power supply draw current hardly >1A now, means the caps is functioning.
Previously with 2x1500uF when blasting the A draw may go close to 2A.

It got a [M] logo on it, does it Panasonic? I bought it from my friend.


Added on August 18, 2008, 12:10 am
hehe...I modify the crossover of my FS speaker to suit this amp and my ears, sound nice to me...don't know about your "expensive" ears  doh.gif  tongue.gif
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post Aug 18 2008, 12:33 AM

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You got a spare AVR casing! Good for you! thumbup.gif
With that huge power switch, its gonna be NICE! wink.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 18 2008, 12:07 AM)
hehe, my T-baby's virgin pics coming tongue.gif

The metal AVR casing will be her new house  laugh.gif
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post Aug 18 2008, 01:09 AM

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Whoa.. kinda steep but, truly worth it when you're happy! rclxms.gif Why bother if it's a Panasonic or not, right? tongue.gif

BTW,
I am at this point of time running an SMPS rated at 12VDC 2.5A feeding my 'lil marvel... whistling.gif
As I earlier pasted from a website, I concur that SMPS is better than linear PSU! thumbup.gif
The whole spectrum of sound are now have more 'body'.. it's truly amazing! I can't believe it myself, but at 1.00 am in the morning,
I can hear every little bits of music- the lows, highs, mids, even more.. I only fear now is that, I am NOT going to bed as planned.. it's already monday morning! After the Diana Krall CD I must hit the sack... i must sweat.gif



QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 18 2008, 12:40 AM)
Me not sure does it Panasonic too but my friend said so.
RM7/pc only, as long as I happy, not really care about the brand, it sound better than my previous Elna 3.3uf NP cap  icon_rolleyes.gif .

Speaker mod? yea, simple modification but audio varying a lot, just to suit my "old ears" that were abused by too much "good noise" as yours  doh.gif  tongue.gif
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post Aug 18 2008, 01:26 AM

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6W at 0.1% THD!
Yes! Playing using my TDL's RTL3 tongue.gif

A puny 'lil thing driving a huge monster! brows.gif

Just completed Diana Krall's Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
Although the SMPS drove the TA2024 well, it lost to linear PSU in terms of resolution..
Meaning, the differences between vocals, instruments etc is more distinct with linear PSU than SMPS..
I bet using toroids would push the fidelity further.. damn! doh.gif

Take note I have not replace any other capacitor onboard other than the input caps.
Have to check out how the DIN55 batery will perform. Definitely not tonite! (morning rather!) wink.gif
Heyy you're sleeping late! tongue.gif

QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Aug 18 2008, 01:12 AM)
jazzy how many watt this thing produce....???? 10...??? you're playing it with the TDL....90dB
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For RM30 its 'cheap'.. but it is not kinda huge housing for a small little thing? biggrin.gif
OH, you gonna house the PSU too right? I guess it should be okay..

On my side, after the listening session, I have to conclude that I love the T-Amp sounds with a linear PSU.
It has to be as good as my Bench PSU or better. I would NOT settle for any less.. tongue.gif

Actually the housing that I have is even bigger! It's supposed to housea pre-amp and it's PSU, a power amp and it's PSU and mains RFI board.
That project was on hold.. looks like I will use it for the T-Amp.. a definite overkill! brows.gif
QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 18 2008, 01:48 AM)
I bought it at 30 bucks from a friend, I do have two AVRs with me but one is too big (front panel plastic) and another one is fully plastic  doh.gif

This casing size just nice, i may put in my smps too, if i want smile.gif
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post Aug 18 2008, 06:28 AM

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Yup. This is what he meant! biggrin.gif


QUOTE(xtorm @ Aug 18 2008, 02:18 AM)
i think this is what he ment by balance amp

not sure tho, 1 stereo board per speaker

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post Aug 18 2008, 06:31 AM

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I bought a (high quality) pre-amp kit a while back for another project.
I thought of using it with the T-Amp. wink.gif
I won't use a simple pot for it biggrin.gif
At least use a simple buffered pre-amp for the T-Amp... tongue.gif
omg.. too much 'amp'ing here.. icon_question.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 18 2008, 02:04 AM)
30 consider OK lah since plastic one also >RM15 and I like the size, purposely looking for bigger casing but not too big tongue.gif
pre-amp?  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
DIY too? can explain more on it?  notworthy.gif
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post Aug 18 2008, 07:53 AM

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In a quest to find out how far the T-Amp can and will go, I will! tongue.gif
Bear in mind, I am using my reference pre-amp (a Yamaha) along this while.
It would be interesting to find out how far you can stretch the budget with electronic kits.
I am all for 'bang per buck' setups biggrin.gif
Anyway, it won't be happening until the weekends.. need to rebuild the power supply for the kit pre-amp as I am using it for 'something' else.. tongue.gif

edit..
I just remembered why I did not use the pre-amp on my other amp, it was insanely accurate and sensitive, revealing almost, if not all the 'flaws' from the source.. amplified everything, noise included! laugh.gif

So far, the Amp-1 or Patient 1 has clocked 11 hours, while Amp-2 or Patient 2 managed 14 hours.
At this juncture Amp-2 is the sweet performer due to the 10uF input caps. I will keep the current configuration for my bi-amping setup which I am planning this week, among other things like the above.. tongue.gif


QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 18 2008, 06:36 AM)
bro,

may be you may give another medical report for this amp with/without the pre-amp you mentioned tongue.gif
Let's see which setup giving better SQ.
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post Aug 18 2008, 09:13 AM

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It would be fantastic if I could get my hands on these casings.. brows.gif




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